Disqualified for using Ai ?
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@apatsa_basiteni
@apatsa_basiteni 21 күн бұрын
Impressive work nonetheless 🔥🔥
@pankaj_blend
@pankaj_blend 23 күн бұрын
Dude haters gonna hate, don't worry about them. I'm just gonna say this you cannot beat AI by saying no to AI 😂(lol). Either enslave Ai or be enslaved by it. I constantly use AI generated concept arts, text to 3d model, AI generated hdri etc. It's not a big deal.
@BecineStudio
@BecineStudio 25 күн бұрын
The video was great until you told us about the use of AI to create the video. That's bad
@Donnosaurus
@Donnosaurus 25 күн бұрын
Hmm no sorry, that's not a model nor texture, it's an a.i. generated video. Honestly I am happy they disqualify a.i. since corridor themselves have used a.i. which actually made me stop watching their channel. It's a shame to see creative people use a.i. especially when a.i. uses work that is stolen as a database/ Of course it sucks your actual animated part of the video is now disqualified, but I think it's a good lesson to not mix actual work with generated stuff from a.i. Don't get me wrong, a.i. can be great for some stuff, but when it comes to generating "creative" stuff, it's a no go. I would rather live in a world where a.i. does the crappy lame work, and the people do the actual creative jobs like animation. Not the opposite
@m4ybefunny
@m4ybefunny 26 күн бұрын
The main problem with generative AI is that it's based on stolen art. It baffles me that people like you can't see the potential problems with this. Also trust me we could tell that the script was written by AI, it's soulless, like everything else made by AI.
@adacskipper
@adacskipper 26 күн бұрын
Here's my issue with AI: as it currently stands, and the direction it's developing, AI is a way for wealth to access skill without allowing skill to access wealth. I'm not talking about your average joe making memes on the internet here; I'm talking about major companies investing billions of dollars into AI in order to replace artists at every level. AI is currently unregulated and trained using stolen data, and until both of those things change AI will continue to be a deeply problematic and corrupt issue. So in other words, while I agree that AI COULD be empowering, I fundamentally disagree with the premise that it is not here to replace us, because AI replacing artists is what the profit motive demands. I don't want artists to lose their jobs to a machine copying what is supposed to be uniquely theirs. I don't think anyone does, but that is what the industry is pushing for.
@nartz5361
@nartz5361 26 күн бұрын
interesting
@soundsoflife8885
@soundsoflife8885 26 күн бұрын
why did you delete my comment?
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
I Didn't. :)
@soundsoflife8885
@soundsoflife8885 21 күн бұрын
@@pixelpro1 basically I said you took the place of another artist who took their time to make a 3d background rather than an AI generated one. your justification of "AI is here and we should use it" doesn't apply to this particular competition rules. You should have been removed from the top 100. Do you not deem that fair? It is a 3D competition, not an AI one.
@LostGarcons
@LostGarcons 26 күн бұрын
the biggest problem with AI is not the tech of machine learning and more so the fact that almost every single one of these new fancy models is built off of large libraries of stolen data. Therefore until we get proper restrictions in place, most "AI" in its current state is highly unethical. Not too mention over all i think Ai is better for smaller things, think automation of accent lines in spider verse films, and less in more integral parts of the piece like the background. Because clearly the background matters as it was almost immediately pointed out by the people watching it. Ai has its place in the world but generative content is probably the weakest and most pointless use case
@phil5181
@phil5181 26 күн бұрын
You are lazy that’s all you got to say. If you want to save time doing the thing you love then you truly never loved it.
@LostGarcons
@LostGarcons 26 күн бұрын
+
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
I'm sure you like to eat bread, and I'm also pretty sure you didn't sow a wheat field for this pleasure of yours..
@soundsoflife8885
@soundsoflife8885 21 күн бұрын
@@phil5181 spot on.
@CinemaZiggy
@CinemaZiggy 27 күн бұрын
Pretty lame honestly the whole background is AI bro just replaced a character and promoted the rest.
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
watch the breakdown again..
@errainer
@errainer 27 күн бұрын
Many people in the top 100 used background generated by Ai. This guy generated an animated background and now it can't be allowed? Strange
@Nvvvvvvvvvvvvvm
@Nvvvvvvvvvvvvvm 26 күн бұрын
What people? Iam just curious
@germanrudecindo3382
@germanrudecindo3382 26 күн бұрын
Which ones used Ai for background fill ? I will like to know
@r1pperuk
@r1pperuk 27 күн бұрын
Most artists are using Ai as support. We are using Ai everyday in some sort of context. I get the hate but you cant put the cat back in the bag so adapt. This guy could have recreated the Ai video in 3D and you would be none the wiser. Personally, I would say in this exact context he stepped over the line. If he had recreated the Ai image in 3D then probably fine. Its a fine line. Nice work regardless.
@LostGarcons
@LostGarcons 26 күн бұрын
if he recreated the Ai image as a background then it would of been a human interpretation and likely no flaws that the AI clearly has therefore the judges would have never saw it and this video would have never been made. Its a choice whether you rely on AI or not for art. its unfortunately here to stay but by no means is it a necessity as a artist. if your good enough the work will speak for itself
@Mezbich
@Mezbich 27 күн бұрын
It's funny when people reveal they used AI to write the script/voice over like it's some plot twist... It's almost always obvious lol
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
it's no a twist.. I just don't know to talk english..so without Ai tools I would talk Hebrew, and I'm kind of sure you don't speak that language :)
@Double-Mjay
@Double-Mjay 27 күн бұрын
Sry, but the moment you used generative video, you should be disqualified. It doesn't matter if it just for the background - this definition could get muddy real fast. I can kinda understand using AI for textures, because is just an "easier" search engine. But the moment all abilities this challenge...well challenges you to do: Modelling, Texturing, Lighting, Animating are done by a prompt....you're out. No matter what part.
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
You have the right to think so.
@nko7817
@nko7817 27 күн бұрын
"They aren't here to replace us." Yeah right lmao. You just replaced Script Writers and Voice Actors.
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
Does this mean that he needed to hire a script writer or voice actor for this video? That seems unlikely, so the sarcasm feels missplaced.
@nko7817
@nko7817 27 күн бұрын
@@Think666_ There was no sarcasm and I just stated a general fact. For example, Voice actors are already suffering because of Ai. Saying Ai isn't here to replace us is just false.
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
​@@nko7817 In this case of a creator with less than 4k subs it feels disingenuous to say that they would hire professional voice actors and screen writers for their project as a matter of fact, does this make sense? Sorry if I wasn't clear.
@nko7817
@nko7817 27 күн бұрын
@@Think666_Guess I should've been more clear. I could care less about what this creator did. Good on him for using Ai to save time and money. I'm just pointing out the fact that saying Ai isn't here to replace us after they themselves replaced voice actors and script writers with Ai makes the claim false. Few years ago you'd have no choice but to record your voicelines yourself or get a friend or hire someone to do the job. Doesn't matter the sub count. Same case with a plethora of other jobs like Concept Artists and whatnot. TLDR: Ai is indeed here to replace us.
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
@@nko7817 Ah ok I see your point, eventually AI will replace us all, regardless of our talent, our education, our ability, our purpose, saying otherwise (like the YTer did) seems to lack this foresight.
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
Well done for actually thinking about what it was you were actually asked to do.
@bowser2324
@bowser2324 27 күн бұрын
As a musician. I gotta be honest, I just find AI icky. Soulless. Creepy. And I'm genuinely afraid of what it means for the future.
@MrM0gus
@MrM0gus 26 күн бұрын
I'm just mad that AI music is so good.
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
wait a few month and you'll change your mind :) and learn how to use it as a tool in your toolbox
@jublin9479
@jublin9479 27 күн бұрын
But clearly this use of AI did not "enhance" your project. It stood out and took away from the rest of your animation as demonstrated by the judging and any controversy that has followed. So why would you want to champion that? The AI video almost got you disqualified and made others question the authenticity of your work and skill in the process.
@r1pperuk
@r1pperuk 27 күн бұрын
he could have recreated the background video thus only using it for reference and no one would know....so its like saying that using any reference is null and void..and thats not how art works...as most artist use refrence.
@Lydsum
@Lydsum 27 күн бұрын
It's Clint's fault for not defining correctly the rules. However, you totally should've been disqualified. If you think AI is okay for rendering the WHOLE background it may as well be okay for rendering every element. This is a clear case of how AI is not only reducing your work's quality, but also devaluating the rest of your process. AI may make sense in the current fast-paced industry of abusing deadlines, but trying to produce cheap in an arts challenge and uploading a victimistic video when the judges catch you is just petty.
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
The rules are as written, this artist obeyed the rules, so no, they shouldn't been disqualified. There are laws against retrospectively changing competitions for a reason, this feels like an emotional take rather than an objective one.
@smif_exe6174
@smif_exe6174 27 күн бұрын
While I agree your use of ai was within the criteria. I think it would have been better if you had just modelled it, or used assets for the background. Yes, it might have saved you time. I’m sure a lot of studios cut corners too but, for the sake of of this competition it was unnecessary. Either way good work I loved your concept!
@CryptoGrammar-v5z
@CryptoGrammar-v5z 27 күн бұрын
You did get place in top 100 rules are rules, don't make this a debate of AI
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
I'm not sure that any of us have the right to tell this creator what they can and cannot say about whichever topic they choose? It feels like the only right we have is to decide whether or not to watch / engage.
@CryptoGrammar-v5z
@CryptoGrammar-v5z 27 күн бұрын
@@Think666_ Yes, if it is made by him not for competition, I would have said the same, For competitions it feels like the only right we have is to follow the rules and consider whether to participate or not to do it
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
I'm sure in the next competition they will be more clear about the issue :)
@Think666_
@Think666_ 25 күн бұрын
@@pixelpro1 I'm not so sure, after all Niko liked it... and they have used it on corridor. We'll see :p It would seem insane to prohibit what is likely going to be one of the most game changing technologies in visual effects history on a show and in a company dedicated to visual effects.
@CryptoGrammar-v5z
@CryptoGrammar-v5z 25 күн бұрын
People like to drive fast on the road but if you cross the limit for speed you will be charged and you can't say I wanted to go faster/my driving is like that, rules are rules it is that simple, that is all I am saying, You did an incredible work with the hair in Houdini that is crazy good
@prikshit-424-9
@prikshit-424-9 27 күн бұрын
You thought, you could outsmart judges who have far more experience than you. You cheeky bastard Lol. This whole situation is short of funny to me 😂
@ZeusCreates
@ZeusCreates 27 күн бұрын
As long as AI is being trained on stolen art, it can never be a "tool". And yes, they are planning to replace you if they can. It just hasn't happened yet coz they haven't figured it out.
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
Does this mean every artist who draws a copyrighted character (and breaches the law by sharing that or commercialising it) should also be prosecuted? It doesn't feel like this issue can be that black and white.
@r1pperuk
@r1pperuk 27 күн бұрын
They can just train it on Ai generated art so that argument no longer holds up. Yes the orginal were trained on real art but now they can just train on Ai generated art. No one cares about the OG artists we live in a capitalist society. just the way it is unfortunately.
@ZeusCreates
@ZeusCreates 27 күн бұрын
@@Think666_ Anyone who draws a copyrighted character and earns money from it is in fact violating the law. The original creators can take action any time if they want but sometimes they choose not to coz it's not worth it. Non-commercial usage falls under fair use most of the time but even that can be challenged by some (Example-Disney). Companies like Midjourney charge you for using it. Which means they are stealing art, training AI and then charging users for it. If it was all free then the outrage wouldn't be as large as it is now.
@ZeusCreates
@ZeusCreates 27 күн бұрын
@@r1pperuk Ah yes, steal from the thief and you are no longer the thief. But good luck training it on AI generated art. It is full of flaws and problems and the resulting trained AI will be even worse.
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
@@ZeusCreates I can see the emotional appeal of a supporting artists stealing art and commercialising as good, because the original creators can take action at any time. While an engineer (or a group of them) automating the process is bad, because the original creators have to take action. However this doesn’t help us understand whether in law this will be defined as "theft", as the issues is that this tech didn't exist and wasn't even imagined when these laws were written, and given the amount of groundwork Google did in Authors Guild, Inc. v. Google, Inc it's going to be challenging describing Gen AI as non-transformative, especially give the tech is continuing to evolve. Midjourney (or other companies who charge) are not the only accessible route for these technologies. Anyone can use “Flux” a local model to produce better quality images than Midjourney today on their home PC, and these open model are only going to improve exponentially and lead to further innovations. The replacement issue feels separate as it seems almost guaranteed that our lives are going to change as we adopt “thought automation”, and it’s probably going to happen faster than humans have ever experienced before.
@adim101-b9l
@adim101-b9l 27 күн бұрын
What pwnisher meant by using ai is for things like generating PBR textures, ideas, reference, not full animated background. and for people saying "AI is just tool" then lemme tell a secret which u might not know, this was a 3d render challenge not AI render challenge. thats why when movies bring back old passed actors in live action movies they specifically say we used ai or deepfake to make them. imagine someone bringing 3d printed models on traditional scupting competition and then saying " they both are scupted".
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
did you talk to pwnisher personally to get to this conclusion? if you watched the breakdown you can see i used 3D also for the back puppets, only the last deep puppets are Ai. and b.t.w its not a only 3D contest.. its an animation contest. in my opinion you can use Ai in various ways to empower your creations.
@adim101-b9l
@adim101-b9l 24 күн бұрын
@@pixelpro1 no, but i know how to read chats on discord, hope u do too i am just angry because u cheated and someone who wasted there 1 month of hard work on there work without using ai, didnt came to top 100 because pwnisher didnt saw u used ai
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 24 күн бұрын
@@adim101-b9l Don't be.. iv'e worked hard even though I used Ai for the deep deep background.. you actually said that if I wouldn't used Ai my work wouldn't be good enough to be in the top 100? :)
@adim101-b9l
@adim101-b9l 24 күн бұрын
@@pixelpro1 where i said "you actually said that if I wouldn't used Ai my work wouldn't be good enough to be in the top 100?" ?? let me tell again what i am sayin , there were lot of people i know who didnt even use 3rd party assests or ai, and still did better then who did, which should have been on top 100 but didnt because pwnisher wasnt able to check at the time that someone used ai animation or not. if i did something like that i could never sleep knowing i got in top 100 while using ai ability as my own
@Nexteum
@Nexteum 27 күн бұрын
For me I don't mind the use of AI to make material/textures. But for videos or images of characters, environments etc. should be just used for concepting. There should be a more refined ruling around the use of AI in Clint's challenges on what ok to use and what's a no go. love the animation though, great work on top 100.
@Steve-lu1nc
@Steve-lu1nc 27 күн бұрын
Yeah, background is such an important part of the scene that can make or break the render. The rules should've been more specific but I agree that this should not be allowed in such competition. Other than that the render is spectacular!
@LostGarcons
@LostGarcons 26 күн бұрын
@@Steve-lu1nc exactly , the background being AI inst some "small part" of the video , its actually so important that they noticed almost immediately and it over shadowed the rest of the work which is frankly super solid.
@DabIMON
@DabIMON 27 күн бұрын
You should have been disqualified.
@kerhabplays
@kerhabplays 27 күн бұрын
He just used it as a bg... Nothing too crazy
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
Why? Because you think so? He followed the rules as written.
@lynrayy
@lynrayy 27 күн бұрын
No
@pixelpro1
@pixelpro1 25 күн бұрын
you too 😁
@startplayertwo8649
@startplayertwo8649 28 күн бұрын
AI is just a tool
@Mranshumansinghr
@Mranshumansinghr 29 күн бұрын
This was amazing use of AI. Just wait some more time. This is similar to not allowing calculators in the 90s.
@yadishansar
@yadishansar 28 күн бұрын
Problem is that one would usually use that tool to do ALL the hard work. If you see the videos of the panel, they judge everything including background and the effort that went into it. Generated videos are not controllable. It's random weird stuff like that 1 eye.
@Think666_
@Think666_ 27 күн бұрын
@@yadishansar Then it's intelligent to use it as "filler" and in this case it didn't detract but instead added to the artist's submission. Work smarter not harder. He read the rules, he understood the assignment, and he went for it!
@lynrayy
@lynrayy 27 күн бұрын
+++++++
@Nvvvvvvvvvvvvvm
@Nvvvvvvvvvvvvvm 26 күн бұрын
​@@Think666_what do you mean it didn't detract They literally noticed that it is wird in like 5 seconds andit totally distracted them from the actual artwork
@Think666_
@Think666_ 26 күн бұрын
@@Nvvvvvvvvvvvvvm I mean that it took them over 35 seconds, and 6 rewatches to notice the background, and it was only after they said "the background is going crazy"... on the 7th rewatch they notice the "muppets". The 8th rewatch they suggest it's generative video (after the 12th rewatch they confirm it, and state it was "very clever"). So, it would appear that it did not detract until put under specific observation and scrutiny. Which could be said for many shortfallings of the top 100 entries.
@spandansreyanshupadhee
@spandansreyanshupadhee Ай бұрын
Nice man
@mtsauryberliannoor8252
@mtsauryberliannoor8252 3 ай бұрын
😮😮😢😢🎉🎉❤
@wonkaytry
@wonkaytry 10 ай бұрын
dint survive covid or what? lets gooo
@agadilov95
@agadilov95 Жыл бұрын
I am waiting for 11 years
@quadrudesign3662
@quadrudesign3662 2 жыл бұрын
tutorial Please! 😄
@kee7n
@kee7n 2 жыл бұрын
very cool
@orlandeuce6567
@orlandeuce6567 2 жыл бұрын
SOMEBODY STOLE YOUR VIDEO kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4mpi5qkjbmImZo
@LemonTreeFilmsIndia
@LemonTreeFilmsIndia 3 жыл бұрын
For a 2010 simulation, it still looks real & fantastic. Would be great if there would be a tutorial on this.
@bungsbodulus
@bungsbodulus 2 жыл бұрын
ye but do you want to pay 1100 $ for the product that made these
@nishtamittal3373
@nishtamittal3373 3 жыл бұрын
Kya is
@SupSupa10
@SupSupa10 3 жыл бұрын
Please tell me how did you make sauce grow to instance like that. Thanks.
@originvfx4082
@originvfx4082 3 жыл бұрын
tutorial Ples
@adarshiyer4805
@adarshiyer4805 3 жыл бұрын
Here before the algorithm hits
@nishtamittal3373
@nishtamittal3373 3 жыл бұрын
😀🙁
@esteban_9049
@esteban_9049 3 жыл бұрын
Who's seeing it in 2021? Like if you do
@bayram00
@bayram00 3 жыл бұрын
you did that in 2009? haha
@_SWAYZE
@_SWAYZE 3 жыл бұрын
bro you're so talented
@kukonutmemer
@kukonutmemer 3 жыл бұрын
sorry, this animation can do with 3ds Max?
@Luke-3D
@Luke-3D 3 жыл бұрын
I use tyflow and phoenix and i can't get my head around your work. Amazing! tutorial??
@Qwerty_8866
@Qwerty_8866 4 жыл бұрын
This is amazing
@gabrieldodge5861
@gabrieldodge5861 4 жыл бұрын
Omg this is like half melted soft serve
@StudioChanne
@StudioChanne 4 жыл бұрын
Every time I come here iam more stunned than the last time 😃