It's no problem at all, you can see there's no prop wash in the flight footage. I wouldn't say significant, but it had great control and it's so much easier to build and maintain than others by doing it this way

Hi, sorry for the slow reply, I don't get notifications! Yes, if you reach out through the website I should be able to help

This was a 2.5" a long time ago

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Thanks, I appreciate it!

Thanks!

I actually didn't end up using the Vulture (was just for an example in this video). It had lots of bad low frequency vibration that I couldn't get rid of, even after modifying the mount to be super solid, but it did fly well. I think it's the way the carbon mounts vertically, it just doesn't work for this payload. I've switched to a custom 7" for open prop, and my KD50 S cinewhoop for closed prop. That combo is working amazing with no vibration or jello at all, super smooth. You can see the video on my channel

The goggles 3 came out kinda recently so there won't be another for a while. I prefer the goggles 2 over the 3 by quite a lot, and also over the V2. I'm using the goggles 2 all the time and have 2 pairs. Up to you but they're a good price now and I think they're the best. They're also the only goggles that work with vista, O3, and avata 2

Yes! I'll try to make a video soon but I'm testing the SDR on this now

Often you have to do something different to improve

Thanks! Probably about 80km/h or so but it's not really built for speed. You could put higher KV motors on but it'll be less efficient

@@kddrones thanks

Thank you!

Really appreciate it thank you! Hope you enjoy the videos and I'll keep them coming (probably slowly tbh 😅)

Yes, I'm aiming to make a video for all of my frames, I'm starting with the bigger ones as they can be a bit more involved to build

It's significantly smaller than any other 5" whoop, and significantly smaller than any other whoop that can carry a 500g camera this well. For props what do you mean? These are the best performing props on the 5" motor that I tested, more blades or wider blades is less efficient, why would they be thicker?

@@kddrones they just appear narrow. Like for a freestyle quad. I've never seen a whoop with freestyle props on it is all. Being unfamiliar with larger whoops, it would have been an easier comparison to make if you put it next to something familiar like a source one or an apex frame, just for comparisons sake.

Honestly this quad is aimed at people using cinema cameras, and they'll be familiar with standard sizes of cinelifters so that's a much more helpful comparison. This is not aimed at people that usually just fly freestyle. Also I gave the dimensions so you can just check yourself, it's much smaller than any open prop 5" like an apex or source one. For the props people like to use more blades or wider ones for freestyle because it can generate more thrust when they're using smaller props than normal. In this case I've made the frame more compact by overlapping the props, so I don't need the extra thrust because 5" props are plenty with these motors, so I can use the more efficient and better performing Tri blades like we do on freestyle quads. Hope that's helpful!

Thanks! I've fixed the link now, it should be working

Thank you! Fixed now

Nice one. Wouldn't want you missing a sale. Looks like a fantastic product, really fills a niche in the market. Keep up the great work. ❤

Definitely not, and I appreciate it! Always working to create new useful things

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It's 100% needed, all the strength in this type of design comes from having 2 plates and well placed standoffs. It increases the resistance to bending moment (rigidity), as well as of course adding protection from the props. This type of design is significantly stronger and better performing than any type of single plate design with guards added on, for the same weight. A quick physics exam you can do at home is to take a ruler and bend it normally, it will bend easily. Then turn it on it's side and try to bend it that way, it is much harder and feels way more rigid. It's the same principle by having the 2 carbon plates separated, it uses the same material as having a thicker plate, but it's way more rigid. Just like steel I beams used in buildings

Not really the point haha, I'm just showing what the drone can do, I can't show most of the filming I do for work, this is just test footage

Cheers! Naked BM is pretty similar, GoPro is like having a really powerful cinewhoop and almost feels closer to an normal open prop 5", I haven't tried an a6400 type camera. The 4kg2 with lens and SSD power module is 500g. AUW is about 1400g with a 6s 2000

@@kddrones ah cool. An a6400 is about 800grams with lens and battery.

I would not recommend this drone for that camera then, a normal KD50 X4 or X8 would be a better fit (check out my website). Having said that if you need the very small drone then this will absolutely work and fly well, you'll just get short flight times

@@kddrones ah i see. I’m always searching for that extra small package that can be "cinematic". Action cams have gotten really good so the jump to make a cine cam worth the trouble and $$ has got so big it is hard to justify.

Yeah for lots of things it can be hard to justify, I just offer what my clients want, there's a pretty big step up between GoPro and the 4kg2 though, and the price difference isn't that big

Fair enough, yeah that's kinda a different setup, but a cool thing to try!

@@kddrones yah it was just a fun experiment. I was trying to get a sony a7 flying with available equipment.

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It's a mixture of my KD25 which you can find available to buy on my website (parts list at the bottom of the page), and a mini manta which I'm not sure you can buy anymore, but it's a 4" with 2104 fpvcycle 2300kv motors on 6s 650mah, GoPro 11 Mini, 20x20 stack, O3 vtx

I'm sure you can find some footage of the Blackmagic at night, the flight footage here is really to show off the frame not the camera

That would be very interesting! I'd love to see you build one

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Thank you! Yeah it flies like a dream

Yes, a similar idea for the props but a very different frame design, I did see that one but it's the classic unibody plate with plastic guards, completely unsupported and will be pretty wabbly, probably why it doesn't fly very well. If you have a look at the KD25 on my website you'll see I've made that super compact by having the VTX vertical and pulling everything in, while still being super stiff and flying amazing

That's a relief. I thought my head hunting hobby was the worst.

No sorry, I sell frames that you can build

I haven't tried that actually, but it's such a nice form factor that it should be pretty easy. A half cage type thing could work well, or some CNC aluminium L maybe

That’s a good idea. Most of my drone content nowadays is vertical, and would be nice to squeeze some extra resolution from vertical shooting. I’ll have to look into it for sure.

Yeah definitely, although for flying higher quality cameras like this most demand I get from clients is still horizontal. But I do want to design something to have this vertical it would be very useful!

@@kddrones that’s true. Looking forward to getting this frame!

The props overlapping doesn't impact performance, it actually helps fly better because of the lower moment on inertia having everything so compact and light. The FC not being centred doesn't make any difference in any frame at all as long as it's not getting much vibration, the gyro cannot tell where the FC is in a frame. The camera is mounted to make the CG in the middle

Thank you, there is some loss of efficiency but as said in the video it's made up for by being lighter so it evens out. You can tune it really well to get good prop was performance and basically get rid of it so the overlapping props doesn't seem to matter there

It tunes up perfectly well, partly because it's so stiff and has a lower moment of inertia! Did you see the unstabilised footage? Almost good enough to use without any stabilisation, then you can add Gyroflow on top and it's perfect. I've also provided a tune on my GrabCAD for people who buy the frame, of course use with caution

@@kddrones this is a great job! 🤙

Haha thanks man, the camera absolutely does have a gyro though, it works great in Gyroflow! Download the latest version and it's easy, same as the pocket 4k. I just always show unstabilised footage to show what the actual frame is capable of, stabilised footage is useless for that haha

@@kddrones no way😱😱😱

Yes way 👊👊

Contact me directly on Instagram and I might be able to help or point you in the right direction

Thanks!

No I have a very good supplier in the UK that does all my manufacturing, sorry can't help with that one but good luck with your CNC!

Nice! I also have lots of other cinewhoops, 3", 3.5" etc on my website if you're interested. For the capacitor you're absolutely correct that having it too far reduces the effectiveness, however I have it only 25mm away with some 16awg wire, plus a spike absorber, and this definitely works. You do want it as close to the ESC pads as possible but as I have it is way better than not having it

Unfortunately not with this frame, it's technically possible to design but the build would be so annoying and all the wires would have to run through the tiny bit in the middle that I decided it wasn't worth it. The KD50 is a great option for X8 (see my previous video), and because you're carrying bigger cameras anyway, the extra size is actually needed just to mount a Komodo on top for example

Haha I know the struggle, well if you do want it you know where to come