Hello, great video but IBEX 800 Explore have everything that you expected….

You should go for norden 901 expedition

I'm considering one of these myself, I'm a big fan of Larson's Cycle myself as here in the cities most dealers love to tack on all sorts of fees where Larson's does not and that is much appreciated. Curious if you don't mind, what the price on that bike was as I know Larson's generally sells for under MSRP? I'm shopping between that, The T7, Tuareg 660 and possibly the 800 DE.

Maybe the 2027 or so mt800 will finally follow that ktm way of make an adv😅

you better hope that ktm lasts 5000km until it eats itself

Good luck with your KTM. That company is in serious financial trouble. Also, watch the camshafts. 790's had bad ones a while ago. One of my riding friends had a failure on a tour. Had quite a fight with KTM to get it replaced under warranty. KTM wouldn't cover the towing bill either. He now rides a BMW F900GS.

all that hooply law I've got an 84 xt600 at 300 lb in 46 horses people may have bigger displacement but I've got a gazelle anybody riding a gazelle I am light and Nimble and ready to jump

The throttle, clutch, and brakes, are the only rider modes I have ever had on a bike. 🤷‍♂️

Without reading a word I can’t imagine any self respecting rider buying a Chinese bike. End of story, I don’t care how cheap. I’d by a Harley before it.

KTM? they're busy going broke, the next 3 months is do or die for them - and the 790 engines are made of cheese.

Good luck with the KTM reliability

MTX 800

Don't forget to buy some spare camshafts 😅

You could also consider the Honda CB500X.

"Ride me hard please".... rides the bike through a puddle haha jokes aside; you're a beginner off-road rider, anything over a 500cc is going to be too heavy or have too much low end torque for you. Why so many new ADV riders make this mistake is beyond me, there is far too much ego in the motorcycle enthusiast world labelling below 700cc bikes as "small". Nothing can be further from the truth. Get a 450MT or a Himalayan 450 since you obviously have to do long commutes to get to the trails. You'll be right at home, those are great beginner bikes that are even a solid option for experienced riders who want something more nimble. They can handle long highway rides and they will be much more forgiving once you're off the road. Once you're ready, get a Kove 450 or a Kove 800X.

For all round reliability get a drz400 or a dr650 no electronics just reliable old school bikes the DR650 has a bad seat but otherwise they are fun lighter bikes you can trust not like a Chinese KTM.

Good balanced video. Most of the big adv bikes are way too top heavy. The BMW GS horizontal twins and the KTM 790/890 are the exceptions. The GS because the motor cg is lower and the KTM because the fuel tanks are lower. When I first saw the KTM 790 with the low saddle tanks up front where we need the weight I thought it would be a game changer and that soon every mfg would follow them but so far none of the other bikes have it. The low tanks add foot protection and engine protection as well as getting the weight lower. Yes, the tanks need seriously strong protection from falling on rocks, but so does the engine on our bikes. A strong slide plate and side case protection is required for off pavement riding so why not design the tanks to be part of the protection? The KTM 790/890 are still too heavy and expensive for me but the saddle tank design should trickle down to the smaller, lighter, and less expensive bikes... eventually.

What are you replacing it with?

You know you're an old school biker when the fewer modes, sensors and electronics on the machine are a positive not a negative. Never needed or wanted abs and still don't. Give me good, simple engineering every time and you can keep your tft's and sensors thanks. As for all that plastic that they shroud modern 'adventure' bikes in...makes some of them look like a partially squished praying mantis. Give me a good simple medium sized roadster with maybe upgraded shocks and a set of trail tyres and I'll go places that a lot of the larger 'adventure' bikes couldn't even think about handling. Good luck with the new machine; hope you have many happy miles and adventures.

Hey Jason, fellow Minnesota adventure bike enthusiast here. Sure is a lot of KTM hate going on in the comments 🙄. I have 7400mi on my 23 901 Expedition and it has been a rock solid bike. Also good to see Kelly made a cameo appearance haha! Maybe we can get together for a ride next season.

CF 450MT ...

Good luck with the reliability of your KTM... You should have kept the CFMOTO for when your KTM will be in the shop. But the KTM are a blast to ride, another level compared to any other bikes.

Good luck with your cams, couldn't trust my 890 R, sold it, even though it was perfect in every other way. FYI they never fixed the issue (that they claimed to fix but somehow also said was never an issue in the first place) that causes the cams to wear prematurely. KTM make disco party in your oil 🕺😫

So it didn't make for a great off road.

Congrats on the 790! I've been riding since 1994, other than two years with a few rides on a KLR650, all of my riding has been on small dual sport bikes: Two DR350s, a DRZ-400S, and two KTMs mixed in while I've owned the DR-Z. I owned the KLR during the time I owned the DR-Z too. I got sucked in to the Adventure bike thing again in late 2021 and bought a T7 in early 2022. I sold it for the same reasons you sold your 800 - it's too top heavy for me.

Haven’t got to end yet, at 652 you are getting far too techie. For off road its very very simple. To advance you need time in the saddle and expert coaching guidance riding something less than half the weight. You did well only dropping that pig 3 times! OMG just got to the end and you replaced it with almost the exact same thing! Dur

Waffle overload

Try abmw gs 450 the new one!

KTM isn’t going anywhere. I don’t think you’re dumb for buying one. I’m pretty sure the 790 is going to be my next bike also! And people who say that the “cheese cam” issue hasn’t been fixed are going off of old news. For one thing,there never was an issue with the metallurgy of the cam;it was always an oil flow problem. And the pertinent part of the engine has been enlarged to fix that. But I don’t know everything either!

Went from heavy to a little less heavy. Being new I would have gone a dual sport or Himalayan 450 (or similar) route. Good luck, hope the KTM works out for you.

My IBex is going to miss it's brother!!!😢

Ibex 800MT is a touring bike with some dirt road capabilities. CFMOTO is releasing 800MT-X soon and it's a much better bike for off roads purposes. It's a beef up version of the 450MT and a copy from KTM Adventure 799. Look at the tyres/wheel sizes if you want a better off road bike. 17/19 inch like your bike is for light trails only. 18/21 inch like the 450MT are more dirt capable.

Learn off road with a far smaller bike

I own a Voge 900DSX, I had the same thoughts, its an amazing adventure bike, but not for those off road adventures, I bought a Voge 300 Rally, what an eye opener, i have been places i would never have thought possible.

Riding off road is not about “modes” progressing will be hampered by relying on technology

Only idiots would ever have bought a KTM. YAMAHA will be around forever!💪👌💙🍻

Try Tenere 700. The best but not too expensive.

You would have been A LOT better off buying something like a WR250R, DRZ400, KLX300, etc. Rider modes and switchable abs are not the reasons you were struggling off road. You were struggling because you're on a big/heavy bike as a new rider. You'd have WAY more fun on a smaller and lighter bike. Good luck with the KTM but I suspect it will be for sale in the future (or in the shop since it's a KTM 😂).

As someone else already said, try a Kove 800x, basically same engine, less than 10k$, much lighter and weight down low, more rough in terms of accessories and stuff but more off-road capable, kyb suspension. I suggest you try it, it's awesome.

Yup. So many good bikes out there, but finding one that's right for you is tough. I predict this won't be your last. Ride on!

With the current situation that KTM are in right now, I’m amazed anyone would buy into their brand. Parts are scarce as it is, but if they go out of business altogether, there’ll be no official spare parts available. And if you’re unlucky enough to have a 790 with the camshaft issue, they might not be around to service a warranty claim.

mate dont feel bad Ive seen many riders with a world of bike experience on the road thing OK big adv bike off I go ...no these bikes I have a T7 require commitment and skill off road as a starting point. They are beasts and off road you have be onit. You will enjoy the smaller bike and the fun off road and being out in nature lots more. the 450MT I think are a great bike too. keep it and wait back on the gas :)

Just get a v strom 800 .....you ll never gonna sell it.......fabulous and reliable suzuki bike !,

Sounds like a logical progression in your decision making.

As an owner of the 450MT (450 Ibex in USA) you're completely right. The 800 wasn't really tailored for technical trails and heavy offroad use. CFMOTO has rolled out the 800MTX recently, which is more a direct competitor to KTM's 790ADV lineup, with the dropping tank fuel-thingeys. As a cost-effective alternative, and if you don't want to wait for the 800MTX, maybe opt for the KOVE 800XPro or Rally, it's much more of an Offroad animal, but I can't say anything about how good they are in the long run. Or maybe you may want to downside as well, I own the 450MT and it's fantastic!

I thought this video might end with the selection of the CF Moto 450 Ibex. It's getting a lot of good reviews. In many ways it's the lightweight off road oriented ADV bike we've begged the Big Moto cartel to make for decades as they told us to buy their expensive bloated mid and full size ADV bikes. Good luck with the KTM 790. I would have shied away because of the cheese cam issue, even before the announcement of their financial troubles.

Badge shame

bro, U should buy a KLX 300. thats the proper school.

Get you a lighter bike like the Yamaha Tenere 700

I think u should consider kove moto, 450rally curb weight around 160kg~, 800rally about 170kg~, to me they are very dedicated to off road segment, hell the founder is rally, enduro fan.