0 degree Waveland on the B0XX

This technique is something I have been calling the "0 degree" waveland. It isn't B0XX or controller specific, however it is character specific. Hope you enjoyed! Lemme know if you want more videos like this in the future!
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[@varyingdegrees1130]

Did literally everyone just become Ganon

[@GalenTheWise]

Yiiiiiss :3

[@GimR]

I do this with Falco with sh fast fall but I never get 0 degree lol

[@GalenTheWise]

It's funny you mention that because myself and others have tried to find a way to SH FF and incorporate the 0 degree waveland in but it just doesn't seem to be a thing. It's nice Falco can at least achieve the 0 degree via the SH/FH backflip since his ECB curls up but Fox truly has the privileged life.

[@cancermancer692]

@@GalenTheWise you can sh ff this with luigi i think. makes him slide halfway across fd

[@GalenTheWise]

@@cancermancer692 Oooooooo. I'll have to try this out on strim stram today and see how it looks. Thanks for the heads up! (:

[@Indigamesforlife]

boys the meta.... its changing before our eyes monkaS

[@GalenTheWise]

Meta development is so fun to work on tbqh haha

[@balloonday453]

I want to come back to this vid because I just hit something super nutty, it's possible to edge cancel into frame perfect 0 degree waveland on platforms apparently. You should try to lab this and see if it's consistently do-able!

[@albyrt_]

I knew falco's backflip let you do 0 degrees, but holy shit seeing fox do it for everything and seeing actual applications for it is crazy

[@GalenTheWise]

Some of my favorite mad lad options to go for :3

[@JobuuLive]

This is actually sick

[@maxono1465]

that moonwalk, holy shit

[@GalenTheWise]

Moonwalks are so dank

[@JonnyfromElma]

been doing this since like 2014 but glad to see more ppl noticing it the technique has been named "perfect waveland" for years tho

[@GalenTheWise]

Totes def good to give credit where it's due. As I've said to those individuals who still use PWL as the term, that's coo and I'll still be making sure people know these are the same thing - but nothing wrong with an updated more accurate description of what it is.

[@violetchan6402]

Here is all of the information on this technique that I've gathered and documented: Characters capable of utilizing ZeroDegreeWavelanding: -Fox -Falco -Captain Falcon -Ganondorf -Mario -Doctor Mario -Luigi -Samus -Peach -Mewtwo -Pikachu -Link -Young Link -Bowser -Zelda -Ice Climbers Character specific limitations: B = Must perform a backwards jump (backflip) S = Short waveland X = Likely not as useful because the benefits do not make up for difficulty of execution and/or the character has better options that already exist. -Falco: B -Captain Falcon: X -Mario: B -Doctor Mario: B -Luigi: X -Samus: X -Peach: B S X -Mewtwo: B -Pikachu: S -Bowser: B -Zelda: S X

[@violetchan6402]

sorry if the letters are spaced weirdly, i tried to rearrange them as best I could after copy-pasting from my text doc.

[@GalenTheWise]

Holy shit that's actually so sick that you did this. Props to you :3

[@Rael0505]

I do this by accident sometimes, great to understand it better. Thanks!

[@GalenTheWise]

Hell yeah! Glad it helped you, man!

[@gerudokupo2225]

Thanks for publishing because some people don't seem to know this. I started as Ganon back in 2013, so I've always known about this lol

[@GalenTheWise]

Hell yeah, man (:

[@Skapes11238]

For anyone asking, it does work with Falcon without back flipping and backflipping, just tested it on uncle punch.

[@EthansQuest]

Falco looking like luigi .. what has science wrought

[@GalenTheWise]

Chaos! Lmao

[@JustAaron94]

ganon and samus have a pretty easy time on platforms with this due to their double jump animation. same with captain falcon's back flip.

[@weaselsdawg]

yeah falcon double jump and especially full hop back flip are free 0 degree wavelands on fod and yoshis top plat. falco full hop back flip is a bit narrower timing window but also easy on those same stage top plats

[@andizee]

oh yeh. i do this all the time with Mario. Thanks for putting a name to it.

[@GalenTheWise]

Gotchu, fam

[@anthonymendoza1551]

I found this out naturally, but it’s nice to see if explained logically. Btw I been playing melee since like 5 years old on and off, so I got a good natural grasp on the mechanics.

[@skrill3348]

If you can get this consistently on like Falco, instead of getting to the peak of his walk for a moonwalk back air you can just do this. Neat, always feels good to see that Melee still has it’s secrets

[@GalenTheWise]

Melee constantly teaching me new things. Crazy where this game could be in a few years

[@crystal_pepsi]

Oh dang so this is how this works. One time I did this with falco 0 degrees across a battlefield plat and I went across the whole thing. I wasn't able to recreate it but now I know!

[@GalenTheWise]

Fuck yeah, man. Knowledge is power!

[@TacoPluss]

I also know this is a thing with Falcon's backjump because he flips. When his butt is pointing down and basically touching the ground is when you should input it. Also easy to do when he curls up in his double jump, just like the case with Fox

[@alexa9433]

Falcon dummy thicc 🥳😫💌

[@GalenTheWise]

Falcon got that super nice ECB when he double jumps, yuh.

[@Faulheit]

so does this only work for falcon out of a double jump?

[@GalenTheWise]

@@Faulheit I think you should probably be able to do this ouut of a backflip as well from either FH or SH but I haven't tested this myself.

[@Pslamist]

I keep finding more cases of characters and situations that I can do this with. Just found out that it's even easier to do with Mario!

[@GalenTheWise]

Yup! Doc, Mario and especially Luigi can also make use of it!

[@DiscoCokkroach]

1:31 - I don't know why, but I really like seeing NILs.

[@GalenTheWise]

NILs can be so sick for setting up things. Like Falcon NIL on the edge of a stage for invulnerability. Gross

[@Ben-eh6tm]

i feel like mangos been doing this since foreever. i seen the dude waveland a whole platform with fox on dreamland, muy cochino

[@GalenTheWise]

Oh he probably has a bunch but probably didn't know he was doing a 0 degree WL. Mang0 be sick like that.

[@Kataquax]

indeed, for this reason it is not only called the 0 degree waveland but it is also known as 'the mang0'

[@GalenTheWise]

@@Kataquax you're actually not even wrong here that's the best part lmao. So true.

[@DRX_Amade]

Imagine luigi with this

[@GalenTheWise]

It be a gross sight to behold indeed.

[@Havri]

Can you give us the full list of characters that can do this? i wanna see if my gimmicky lowtier can do this

[@GalenTheWise]

I honestly haven't tried extensively with every character - only a handful of them. Who do you play? Can test and about to go live on Twitch so can show you live attempts :3

[@guyfauks2576]

@Joaquin U >roy

[@violetchan6402]

@JNT Rose Funny how all 3 of those low tiers are specifically the only 3 characters able to utilize koopabackdashwaveslidehoverwalkmoonlanding practically. Edit: how tf was I able to remember the full term? lmao

[@iainrichards2908]

u had me sweating for a bit i was worried that fox wasn't going to be able to do it.

[@GalenTheWise]

Oh you already know Fox be living that privileged life haha.

[@iainrichards2908]

@@GalenTheWise hey man fox may be the best character. but he requires more effort.

[@GalenTheWise]

He sure does! I am a button pusher of sorts so I have a slight understanding of this notion lol

[@rainbowgg___]

I'm week 1 on the frame 1 main sheik and i've been hittin these all the time. Not sure how but this video cleared a lot up on how to do it

[@GalenTheWise]

Really happy to hear that my video helped you in some way! (: Much love and hope you're enjoying F1

[@prizm9515]

I totally played this guy on slippi yesterday. Got wrecked pretty good.

[@GalenTheWise]

It was fun playing against you, mang (: We'll get more games in some other time if you'd like. Just hit me up via Discord

[@auggiema6680]

0 degree Wavelands for ledge dashing is very good holy.

[@linkypauwz]

*fox laughs in top tier*

[@diddydanone3553]

ive been doing this with falco, i never realised it had something to do with any properties loool

[@FrightNFight]

this works amazingly as doc when shield dropping

[@GalenTheWise]

Oooooo. That's actually hype af. Slippery Doc gets even more tricks

[@neil2451]

Melee is sick

[@GalenTheWise]

Agreed (:

[@coolpikachufan01]

Ooooo I’ve done this on platforms before, but I never thought it was possible on the ground Kickass, great video 👌

[@GalenTheWise]

Hey, man glad you liked it! Definitely have more videos planned for the future if you're interested so keep your eyes open for them (:

[@coolpikachufan01]

@@GalenTheWise Will do!

[@charlesw7397]

Yo do you happen to remember where you got this Battlefield skin? I one that's inspired by Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon that's pretty sick but this one looks pretty nice

[@GalenTheWise]

ssbmtextures.com/stages/battlefield/light-show-battlefield/

[@charlesw7397]

@@GalenTheWise thank you! For some reason I have a ton of issues trying to navigate that website. Some skins don't show up depending on what I sort by so I feel like I've missed a handful of good skins. Thanks again!

[@GalenTheWise]

@@charlesw7397 Anytime, my guy (:

[@guren_mk_II]

I do this all the time practicing wavelands sick

[@OhSoSnake]

Very essential tech, not sure why it isn't more well known lol. My friend called it a -Perfect Waveland-, and I think that colloquialism might be known by many others as well, but 0 Degree Waveland is a more direct term, so I'll use both in my dictionary of smash tech whether I publish it or not. And yes, I'm trying to document every last tech in this game, and I think it would include literally everything you could possibly think of, but I'm not sure where to publish it 🤔. Maybe a Melee wiki idk. Btw, you absolutely have to try it with Mewtwo, his goes half the stage ;). I got a clip doing that into grab, it's absolutely bonkers >>>>

[@GalenTheWise]

O shit that's a miiiighty task you've taken on. I admire your dedication to something so grand and I hope you find success (: Uhhhh.. there are probably a few places you could post it. More than likely social media would be the best bet at first. Twitter, Reddit, Smashboards (not sure how active that site is anymore but worth a shot) Yeah, I've tried it with everyone. It's a pretty cool little tool and I'm sure other characters who aren't spacies get many more options because of it. Glad you enjoyed the find and I wish you luck with your documentation. Much love, homie

[@fgfg4735]

this is just a perfect waveland, no need to re-name

[@GalenTheWise]

I like 0 degree waveland as it's more specific as to why it even works in the first place. But as long as people understand PWL and 0 degree WL are the same thing, isn't a big deal. Just how people continuously use hitbox and hurtbox interchangeably.

[@GalenTheWise]

Or how the "dingo drop" can be also called "t-drop" and nobody bats an eye. But you do you (:

[@fgfg4735]

@@GalenTheWise Hit box and hurtbox are different things though, that's just confusion on their own end and leads to bad discussion. Adding another name to the mix is a source of confusion, and its bad for the larger project of trying to analyze and improve at melee

[@GalenTheWise]

@@fgfg4735 Fair point. But I think the distinction can be made clear by using key phrases. So, like, you could say "the 0 degree waveland aka Perfect Waveland" or vice versa to avoid adding confusion and go from there. Which is what I plan on doing. So, as long as the clarification is established, I don't see it to be that big of a deal. But, again, you do you.

[@fgfg4735]

@@Parpeing you and I didn't decide, over the years the community already did with perfect waveland. Using the platform of youtube / smash reddit to introduce another is a mistake and an attempt to do the very thing you are saying we shouldn't - decide that another term is good

[@trime1015]

The 0-degree waveland is not a tech the Jedi would tell you..

[@GalenTheWise]

"The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."

[@savaget2058]

Hasn't this tech been around for a while? I know I've used this occasionally myself, not sure if the angle is 0° cause I'm playing Vanilla on a GC. The "backflip" into a waveland is particularly useful with Falcon.

[@GalenTheWise]

PWLs have been around for a while, yeah. I renamed it "0 degree waveland" because in order to get this particular waveland, you need to be holding only left or right. Hence why some characters can do this and why some can't. Also that the revised term accurately describes why it works. You can get pretty nice distance off of a regular waveland but if the character you're using has the ability to get a 0 degree waveland, it doesn't matter what angle you're holding your stick at - it isn't gonna go further than full left or right. You probably have gotten it a lot before or really close without knowing you were getting it. Also, the backflip is noice for this w/ Falcon because he curls up so his ECB interacts nicely with the platform which is why Falcon and Ganon have a really easy time getting this tech

[@oceanwaves83]

Ganon players have been doing this for 15 years

[@GalenTheWise]

Indeed they have. Cool that Falco and Fox can make use of it too, huh? I like adding it into my neutral for mad lad reasons.

[@oceanwaves83]

@@GalenTheWise yeah definitely. Falcon can do it quite easily from a fastfalled dj. Sometimes fastfalling increases the frame window for success in this tech. Similar to the backjump thing.

[@xdmon1220]

Damn i just tested it with ganon and a few other characters with gc controller and it seems to be not that hard. Do the Pro players already know of this? if not i kind want to tweet this at n0ne

[@GalenTheWise]

Yeah, many Falcons/Ganons do this but not sure how many know how it works. This technique has also been referred to as, the PWL or Perfect Waveland. This video is just showing how it'd work on a B0XX as well as to why it works (:

[@CharlonTank]

You know you can do this without any direction.

[@Jose-oj7vt]

Please more tutorials!

[@GalenTheWise]

You got it! Already have a few more ideas in the works that I should have uploaded within the next few days

[@dippn7047]

Was going to comment that this is just a perfect waveland, but checked the comments and see you acknowledged that already. My other thoughts though... I like 0 degree waveland over perfect waveland tbh, the term is less ambiguous, though I think it still needs some refining to be more intuitive. Was neat seeing Fox and Falco preserve the momentum into bairs, I didn't realize that could be done. Not sure what application there is outside of styling and tricking people, it seems to be highly telegraphed from the setup. I suppose it has to be an edgeguard if anything. As someone who mained ganon for a very long time, 0 degree wavelands into jabs/grabs/ftilts worked more often when doing it from the ledge than from a shorthop on stage because the ledge dash happens much faster. I have, more by intuition than intention, many times over the years done a 0 degree waveland while retreating with Marth if I get hit at low percents and popped up a little bit. It's not exactly something I plan for, and usually I keep getting hit instead of seeing this window, but it's a swift retreat that covers a little more distance than a battlefield platform in less a second and it's something I just do when I see it presenting itself. It seems to be more prevalent in the floaty matchups for him. I don't think this example would really be a thing at top level play because usually when they hit each other they keep hitting each other.

[@GalenTheWise]

Yeah, for sure I agree - 0 degree WL doesn't quite roll off the tongue as nicely as PWL but as you said, refinement. As far the actual tech, there's a lot of chance to see it in high level play with how Fox benefits from it. As I stated in this video, Fox doesn't need to do this same setup as Falco does so he sees way more benefit. Imagine getting knocked down by Fox's shine and you tech roll in or out, if Fox decides to SH out of the shine, he can cover both those options with a 0 degree WL. Super theoretical stuff but this could be applied to edgeguarding, neutral usage, tech chasing, etc. At the same time, since Fox doesn't need to setup the same, you wouldn't be able to really know when I'm gonna do it, right? You'd have to make a callout and that's a commitment where I as Fox could whiff punish you for that. Def agree that there are better options but to say you probably won't see it in high level play imo is wrong. Like, we never thought we'd see moonwalking used for edge guards like Mang0 uses them, or used for deceptive movement for baiting certain D.I., or even in neutral to throw someone off, etc. But never know until we get there (:

[@dippn7047]

@@GalenTheWise i meant that high level play comment about my specific marth example heh. Im skeptical about your example though, without going into theory crafting, it doesn't really seem like modern top fox players have any issues tech chasing, it could work for sure and maybe there's a line where it continues a string where traditional play doesn't. I agree though without actually seeing people trying it we wouldn't know so it definitely could have its use(s). I will say that at the very least having another option is never a bad thing.

[@GalenTheWise]

@@dippn7047 Oooooo gotchu. Yeah, that's what I'm usually in the mindset of - nothing wrong with a plethora of mixups. My style specifically is just tons of players all meshed into one so I think that's where the thought process comes from. But I definitely do not disagree with you - modern Fox mains tech chase just fine and use options that are more viable and consistent. But no harm in adding more to it is the way I try to look at it.

[@Zyx3ds18]

You should have never let the melee community see this haha. TASers are gonna go crazy with this one.

[@GalenTheWise]

Yuuuus :3

[@namenamename390]

Of course fox can make use of this tech easier and more effectively than most other characters, why would I expect anything else?

[@Maunorr]

thats so cool. i really want to try melee someday

[@GalenTheWise]

Hell yeah. You should! Game is fucking sick.

[@Alex-vm6ef]

It's super easy to get into! SSBM tutorials, RadarSSBM, and leffen all have videos on how to set it up on your PC

[@bhativimokhanaananda7759]

Just as sakurai intended

[@GalenTheWise]

He'd just look at me without a single emotion like "-.-'..."

[@farslashenjoyer]

that's so fucking dope what

[@iamspikefire]

I personally need to know if Yoshi can do it, oh god let it be so

[@GalenTheWise]

I believe he can but not 100% sure on that.

[@Ubebread1]

New tech!!!

[@melee9183]

Goddamnit melee is so fucking cool

[@GalenTheWise]

"Playin' the organ 'Cause you preachin'."

[@reilly5005]

the RoA player in me likes this

[@The1TrueFoxMcCloud]

I love being Fox

[@ssbMekk]

I was subscriber 200! Nice video!

[@GalenTheWise]

Ayyyyy. Thanks for your support, man! Appreciate you (:

[@harryherzberg2049]

0:40 is fire

[@riosol8950]

That's pretty nifty for telling someone that ur better than them at melee lmao

[@GalenTheWise]

I meaaaaaaaaaann.. You're not wrong lmao

[@taiklyzubkalmar3573]

is this not the koopa back dash thingy?

[@GalenTheWise]

Nah, that's specific to Ganon as well as you need to slightly be holding forward when WL'ing with Ganon so a tad different but close

[@taiklyzubkalmar3573]

@@GalenTheWise bowser too right? but cool! thank you!

[@GalenTheWise]

Bowser would probably be able to utilize this tech but not 100% - def haven't tested him

[@ob1jakeobi416]

bruh fox got drip

[@GalenTheWise]

Haha apparently that skin is called the "60s Fox" but I agree. He got that drip

[@larryhendricks3402]

Just figured this out 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Lagoa_real]

Would doing this on a platform be similar in theory to a platform cancel?

[@GalenTheWise]

I think in theory, yes. Since both the 0 degree waveland (aka PWL) and the platform cancel involve the characters curling their model up which makes the ECB be considered on the platform.

[@zakomations]

now do it with luigi.

[@avantchop]

style

[@Tmathh]

so is this just a better waveland or what

[@GalenTheWise]

Technically it's apparently a Perfect WL but I've been calling it 0 degree waveland. Mainly because I didn't know PWL was a thing already named and also, 0 degree WL is a better description of why it works in the first place

[@Tmathh]

@@GalenTheWise 0 degree is better

[@EugeneJOooOo]

H9ly shit he go NYOOOM

[@DMPXedo]

Environmental collision b0xx* (b0xx controller specific vernacular)

[@GalenTheWise]

I actually love this. Reminds me of Zain calling the doraki walljump the "Dothraki walljump" 🤣🤣

[@captainfalcon535]

Oh well fox is op again

[@Tmathh]

good job dawg.

[@TurbinationE]

Why did you make a new name for existing tech? This is perfect waveland.

[@GalenTheWise]

Well since you're the first person to mention it, I didn't know. Nobody has either for the past year or more plus I've been using it lmao. Also I feel like 0 degree waveland is a better name tbh anyways.

[@GalenTheWise]

Shit if that urks you, then tell me why they call Falco soft nair for edge guarding the Ginger nair when Zhu was the one who started that trend? People will forget tech, rediscover it, then rename it or they'll popularize it (even if they didn't start it) and then it just gets named after them anyways. Not like I stole tech rofl

[@TurbinationE]

@@GalenTheWise kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJbbqImrYtCbY6s This is hardly rediscovered tech. Any Ganon you play will do it constantly. Both Matteo and I learned this tech before we even learned how to wavedash when we started playing the game. Also, 0 degree waveland would imply it only works to the right. Maybe horizontal waveland would be a more accurate name.

[@GalenTheWise]

@@TurbinationE I'm aware that any Ganon/Falcon will do this but 0 degree wouldn't imply it could only be done to the right - it would imply the direction needs to be a horizontal one otherwise you wouldn't be able to get 0 degree in the first place. Because any character that has a nice curled up ECB that can get it to the right and do it to the left that I have tested.. Am I missing something here? Genuinely curious. Don't get me wrong, some characters cannot achieve that degree but I did mention that in this video since their ECB isn't nice to work with.

[@ethantrout1524]

Whats that training mod you’re playing on?

[@GalenTheWise]

It's called UnclePunch Training Mod. The one I'm using is currently only available to patreons of UnclePunch, however, he has released previous iterations of it for public usage. The patreon versions will be public at some point

[@redssb]

No way. Your name is Galen too??

[@GalenTheWise]

Not my real name, no. I wish I could say that it is /: Maybe one day I'll legally change my name to that! The name is homage to an old friend who was very kind to me and taught me a lot in Soul Calibur IV where I started in the FGC back in '08. Dude got offline (of course it was x360) one day, never got back on. Never got to tell him thank you so figured I'd tribute myself to the memory of him.

[@redssb]

GalenTheWise I love that.

[@GalenTheWise]

@@redssb

[@pkallday247]

damn i been doin this didnt know the technicalities behind it tho interesting

[@GalenTheWise]

Glad you enjoyed (:

[@mogaku776]

DAYUM.

[@tywo2]

What if u can do this in ultimate???

[@GalenTheWise]

:thonking: That'd be sick though

[@cade-o]

westballz does this right?

[@GalenTheWise]

I've seen him get pretty far WL's before out of SH FF, but I'm 95% sure he doesn't do these ones since Falco's version requires the backflip. Definitely could get good distance of a WL from a SH FF, but not as much as 0 degree WL

[@matiasmoreno3562]

Is this doable without boxx? can samus do it?

[@GalenTheWise]

@matiasmoreno3562 My b, homie. Didn't mean to make you wait this long for a reply Yes, this doable without a rectangle controller. All a rectangle does for this tech is make it easier to land due to the being able to get a fully horizontal input every time. You could absolutely do this on GCC. For the next part, yes - Samus is capable of doing it. Out of a short hop, full hop, and on plat too. Her ECB on her double jump is nice because she curls into a ball.

[@ex-x7079]

Sick.

[@gumbo64]

backflip swag lool

[@Valgyan]

pog

[@alexmay7250]

dope