019 Joule Thieves, MOTs and The Newman Motor

[@100roberthenry]

excellent timing, i have just put a joule thief on breadboard with 4 leds just now , then saw your link come up lol...........i added a 1n5817 diode off the collector, and a 100nf to ground, and getting 22v from that junction....running great ...... :)

[@nickmyrvold1343]

There were several companies that sent measurement devices to the Newman motor and several were quoted saying they didn't understand how it did what it did but it did it and that it produced a lot more power than it used. The videos of those men are out there but when most people don't want to understand it's easy to dismiss.

[@kensmith5694]

The Newman motor draws its power in narrow spikes. This makes nearly any meter you can buy for a reasonable price mess up and display nonsense values. The thing that happens is that an early measure shows it "working" then a later one shows it is not. This is because people figure out what they did wrong. The Newman motor is a blind alley that has wasted a lot of good people's time.

[@tonysmith8747]

Amazing as ever Rob

[@JoshuaBaron]

You got the history a little backwards bedini I believe taught the little girl how to do it.

[@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3]

Great Stuff Robert. I’m still enjoying your vids. 3yrs Strong. Love you man.

[@stevemccarty9716]

I was talking about a railroad train powered by fifty boxcars with four wheels on each. That’s 200 generators. That’s what I wondered about

[@AndreaDingbatt]

The Newman Motor is Very, very Interesting Indeed, Im extremely excited to see where you are going with this one especially!! Motors =Generators and Vice-Versa, Yes? Hmmm... This Definiteley is getting even More Interesting, Indeed!! Thank you Robert as Always you are Inspirational, I shall be Replaying This Many Times. ~and get the old Grey matter Stirred up & Working!!

[@kensmith5694]

I find the Newman Motor boring. It is the same thing over and over with no advance.

[@fxeconomist]

The Newman motor is a conundrum. I think there are about 3 people who got it to overunity. The rest who built it small scale failed to get it to overunity. But I do believe the first principle, least in a rational approach to free energy, is to have either the Lenz currents in a primary (solid state) reduced or drawn away or the Lorentz electromechanical forced reduced or at least pushing in another direction than directly opposing the rotor (rotational generator). And I think I've got the idea for the generator, but I am encountering problems on the build.

[@kensmith5694]

@@fxeconomist Nobody has ever gotten a Newman motor to do over unity. They have just messed up on the measurements. Any time better measurements are the effect goes away

[@zlimzkat3671]

Very Much Enjoy your adventures !! In the small solar yard lights there seems to be a Joule Thief Chip. -Z-

[@RixtronixLAB]

Nice info, thanks for sharing with us, well done :)

[@TheTubejunky]

I love that you used Ludic science's setup! He's a awesome guy!

[@ShafaqIftikhar-pw9ld]

Beautiful Robert absolutely beautiful!!!

[@willwade1101]

When I was young I was talking to an old man who told me he used to have a friend that ran his shop off of a self supplying generator. The way he explained it was he started a gasoline engine that was clutch pulleyed to this huge generator/motor, He then switched on a 3 blade knife switch. after it came up to speed he threw another 3 blade knife switch and shut off the gasoline powered engine. I never knew whether to believe him but he sounded sincere when he talked about it.

[@DavidPaulNewtonScott]

I like the Joule theif the problem with using nife batteries for my house in Portugal is they have a voltage of 1.2volts. I only need to power an LED lighting system I have a generator for anything bigger or I could use real time solar.

[@kensmith5694]

Why not put 3 batteries in series and add a resistor to the LED? 3.6V should be enough to be greater than the forward voltage of the LED. If not, use 4 in series. Subtract the LED's voltage from the battery voltage and then trust Ohm's opinion of what resistor to use. R = V/I R = Resistance in Ohms V = Battery voltage minus LED voltage I = Current in amps (beware that you likely want 0.01A at most)

[@GG-od2tr]

Dear Robert, Thank you for bringing some awareness to the masses. Mr Newman also invented the dumbbell it was eagerly accepted by the masses as it was working with simple minds. Alas when ego and greed came to the table they could not find a way to benefit from a machine that would do so much for so little. Any engineer that has studied the original working Newman generator that was not being paid by the patent office would agree that it was cop +. To all the unlearned fellows I would appreciate if you replicate something then do just that do not lay claim to something with electronic switching as the original as it cannot be. Furthermore Bedini was not the founder of the ssg, I would study Rick Friedrich he is an honest god fearing man that knows more than he speaks.

[@GG-od2tr]

@@darklight2.1The engineers that said it was over-unity?>? and you cannot patent over-unity (also they grounded the machine which was not supposed to occur.

[@gman21266]

​@@darklight2.1 -- I'm no engineer; and I agree that there's no such thing as a "free energy device". But in this very video I just watched a Newman motor, after an easy flick of the fingers, not only continue to rotate, but to even accelerate without any external input. Heck... it even lit up a light bulb. So what gives? I've never seen any other generator do that. Have you?

[@GG-od2tr]

@@gman21266Mass in effect gives way to laws that govern small minds.

[@gman21266]

@@GG-od2tr - Small minds circumvent answering questions.

[@GG-od2tr]

@@gman21266Smaller minds have larger ego's. Go and build something.

[@Tomee62538]

Thanks for another great video.

[@sidster64]

Very good low components. I wonder does the mot get hot ? mosfet

[@ArbitraryOnslaught]

Wow this vid covers alot of important concepts. The relations of variac\ field collapse\ and static feedback are all over unity cornerstones

[@kensmith5694]

What is covered in this video shows that over unity is not possible.

[@ArbitraryOnslaught]

@@kensmith5694 I agree ken. Many inventors that have tried. Say utilizing static feedback and variable hz oscillation can create bedini circuit. I think energy storage is More important then perpetual

[@kensmith5694]

@@ArbitraryOnslaught Storage also has the *HUGE* advantage of being possible. This universe doesn't allow perpetual motion in the classic sense of the word. Electrons will orbit in their atoms forever and stuff like that but the same effects that make this the case also makes it so you can never get that energy out of the system. We have energy generation methods that really-really need storage to be practical. Thus in a lot of ways if you want to become famous or a billionaire, that is the area to focus on.

[@ambersmith6517]

Hey Smith saturation doing the switching nothing but balanced magnetic circuits oscillating back and fourth would truly be awesome!!! As always love your videos!

[@ambersmith6517]

No NOT free anything there would be losses BUT BUT BUT I have wound A TON of mostly large toroidal trannys for home made low freq pure sine inverters I HAVE fact truth tested by many or all THE best E/Es of this world Forrest gumped a losses so low you cant find them transformer Many have been running non stop for around 4 years now! Yes my home made LOW FREQ inverters have lower loses the the best high freq inverters AND there is ZERO hum in the trannys I also dont use noisey fans

[@marcfruchtman9473]

@@ambersmith6517 how many cycles per second?

[@ericblenner-hassett3945]

I am wondering what would happen if you used a super capacitor instead of a power supply. You did point out it is also a generator, I have built and tested the simple schoolmgirl circuit with interesting results.

[@scotttovey]

On the Newman motor; If one of the coils is being used as a commutator, could you add a third coil to use as a commutator and then utilize the two coils as drive coils?

[@nickmyrvold1343]

Newman had his big eureka machine pumping water as it turned directly off the shaft. Other people have set up two Newman motors on a single axel and I have seen one try a third coil set on the axel. I suppose it's all I personal preference and somewhat managed by your intended usages. Energy bat labs does work with Newman motors and they may have answers in their videos.

[@min2oly]

Is it just me or does this video attempt to belittle and snuff out John Bedini's name... The point of John's circuit is to harvest the spike and the charge a second battery, that battery is a huge part of the circuit. The joule thief and/or the "SSG" does neither... once you put that spike to an outside "impediment" the motor takes off and the lights come on... BTW it was John who helped his neighbors daughter Shirley with the science project.

[@wesKEVQJ]

Okay, so if a Newman motor works, why not add a pair of small coils to the motor to activate two transistors and drive both coils instead of one. Or drive a smaller ac motor with a permanent magnet rotor to create the signal for the transistors? Either way it would still retain the benefit of having no commutator, without losing half your power.

[@kensmith5694]

If a sled had wheels, it would be a wagon. "if a Newman motor works"

[@jasonmorello1374]

I am not sure about free energy, as what I am thinking is there is an energy supply not being assessed. The magnet field from the static magnets. If this field is sufficiently strong, it would dump force into the movement that could look like excess, when the commutation setting freq and spin are properly synchronizing. In my mind, those static magnets and their strength would be like a spring in the drive, and it is possible that the amount extracted from the field would have to bring down the magnetic field over time, but how long that takes, and how much that is, would be an interesting calculation. Just a theory from playing with such things. Years ago I tried at a similar thing, and the points of friction are definitely an issue to contend with, but with permanent magnets, there is a store of energy there that is somewhat known.

[@THEOFFGRIDMOUNTAINHOMESTEAD]

Thanks for the video!

[@SumNumber]

A ceiling fan motor makes a great generator without to much work . :O)

[@jasonstokes5469]

With enough of the same coils could you then make a pancake motor or generator?

[@GuardianEngraving]

And as always it is a motor generator. U can use the back spikes to charge caps or batterys. While the motor generator is running. Simply connect a battery or even leds from the collector to the drive positive. Make sure to use a diode if charging a battery. One must also note that this is a time charge not an amp charge.

[@kensmith5694]

Yes but always remember that PowerOut = PowerIn - Losses. Not having spinning hardware can be a lot more efficient.

[@GuardianEngraving]

@@kensmith5694 U can extract torque (tho granted not a lot on a JT type circuit) from the motor generator on top of the HV flyback creating a COP (coefficient of performance) greater then 1. When using the Collector to source positive charging method. As Murray says it all about energy scavenging from every part of the system. But yes a simple blocking oscillator without the motor does produce more spikes to charge the battery.

[@kensmith5694]

@@GuardianEngraving The main point is that you never get more energy out than you put in. You can't even break even on it. There is always an amount of loss. Making a DC-DC converter circuit with an efficiency greater than 70% is fairly easy. Greater than 80% is a little harder. Greater than 90% is getting to be quite hard. 95% is very hard.

[@GuardianEngraving]

@@kensmith5694 That all holds true for closed loop systems but not open loop ones witch is what I was talking about.

[@kensmith5694]

@@GuardianEngravingNo, it is true of all systems. With stuff like a heat pump where it appears not to be true, the issue is that people forget to count all the energy input including the heat from the air as an energy source. There is no free lunch. There are no systems that output more energy than they take in.

[@mattg6472]

Newman gene still a great thing whatever you think about the man and the motor. Rob see my comment on the resonant water heater. Your not trying to match the resonant frequency of water

[@Buzzhumma]

you got link to twisted serpent there rob?

[@flatbrokefrank6482]

It must be cold in your workshop - you have a coat over your overall - get your rocket stove on the job !

[@everettblacknall1504]

Amazing

[@DeliciousDeBlair]

L'm saving up as many microwave oven transformers as I can get for my planned wind turbine.

[@vornamenachname762]

🎉Why don't you use a gold cap as source to claim: It is getting cold😂

[@stevemccarty9716]

How big of generator could be on each boxcar wheels

[@R2NOTU]

Bedini made them and called them window motors..and there's a video of him showing it charging a battery while running on the same battery. .

[@kensmith5694]

It isn't really charging the battery. It is a common mistake. Some of the energy in the battery is being used to heat the battery by passing an AC current through it. Nearly any battery has enough of a voltage increase with temperature to let this effect fool you. There are lots of videos of people making this mistake.

[@DavidPaulNewtonScott]

Ps please suggest a suitable transistor for the Joule theif for LED s

[@kensmith5694]

2N2222 should work for most cases. Read the specs on it and see if it works where you want to use it. The maximum collector current is the number to check.

[@DavidPaulNewtonScott]

@@kensmith5694 thanks

[@stevemccarty9716]

Your generators had almost no resistance to turn

[@kensmith5694]

It also was outputting nearly no power. As you increase the output power, the input goes up. At no load, a well designed system has very little drag.

[@austinmesta9862]

Woah COOL

[@Lightmaker5]

They may had more out than in. And the magic they didn't understand why in some areas it works and in others it doesn't. They've built an antenna.😂 Not free energy at all.

[@thomascameron683]

There are a few other devices available. I found a wind turbine from net that can generate 3 kW (with a 1 meter diameter prototype) at 8 m/s wind velocity. Would like to test the claims?

[@volneymcdove3515]

Awsom. Te knnolocy

[@vornamenachname762]

😂does it eat it selfe up😋

[@nickrobertson9533]

You need to renumber this video...

[@brianhaynes7354]

For the love of [insert name of local major Diety here] - Please buy a lapel mic! :)

[@stevemccarty9716]

I keep thinking A battery electric train powered by the wheels of a boxcar. The boxcar wheels are used as the generator

[@kensmith5694]

Why are you thinking that? It takes more energy to turn a generator than you get out of it.

[@crypticnomad]

The story about Newman is an example of "groupthink" at it's worst. People in mass are really narrow minded in their view of things. While I certainly believe that most people's concept of "over unity" or "perpetual motion" are strictly speaking impossible, they also are ignoring a whole range of phenomena that produce a gain of some kind. It is theoretically possible to have 2 or more, probably 4 or more, different types of energy transformations that combine into one single transformation which outputs more than the total input. In game theory, and physics, this can be explained using what is commonly called the "parrondo's paradox" but I prefer "parrondo's effect" since it isn't a paradox once one understands what is happening. Parrondo's paradox/effect can be simply explained as "A combination of losing strategies in two or more dependent or correlated games become a winning strategy". Practically speaking what that could mean is if one had two or more different types of energy transformation that were correlated or dependent in some way, and both had some loss in the generation process, then there "may" exist a way in which one could combine them to have one single winning(or gaining) game(or transformation).

[@mememan2344]

Couldn't have said it better. Why chase magic overunity devices when having a power unit that works on fuel thats all around you is directly attainable. It seems that the oil industry succeeded in brainwashing us with the ice 😂, because people only have 2 modes now, either traditional ice generators or chasing free energy when there is a whole rainbow of things into between to use. In the end i guess, it always comes down to creativity.

[@velcroman11]

Rubbish! You can not, never ever get more out than what goes in. There are always losses, friction, heat, inertia.

[@crypticnomad]

​@@velcroman11 that is the narrow minded groupthink I was speaking of. You apparently didn't read what I said and or didn't bother to look into it all. Apparently instead you feel it is rational to just have a knee jerk reaction and supply an argument with exactly zero backing. If you have some objective argument then by all means I'm willing to listen and willing to admit I'm wrong but if you're not going to put in any effort to look into the well described phenomenon I mentioned then stfu and scurry back into whatever narrow minded troll corner you came from. Seriously though, has what you said ever in the history of humanity changed a person's mind on a subject? Maybe but in the overwhelming majority of cases that someone just gave a hand wavy dismissal like that I'm sure no one at all listened to them or rather their argument changed exactly nothing other than the person's blood pressure who had to deal that nonsense. Their argument never, and probably can never, carry any actual weight whatsoever in anyone's mind but the speaker. How could that possibly ever change anyone's mind on anything? Maybe your goal wasn't to change a mind via rational argumentation and instead just to belittle someone with hand-wavy dismissals? Just giving a hand-wavy dismissal like that without any real argumentation, like explaining how that is wrong in some way, and instead just saying “dur, dur, you’re wrong” is like farting in an elevator full of people. Supply an actual counterargument or stfu Parrondo's paradox and more broadly "flashing brownian ratchets" are well described, not over unity or whatever but can in some cases in the right conditions combine two losing, but dependent in some way, games, processes, transformations, or whatever label we choose to give that, into one winning or gaining one. The point is that switching in particular ways between more than one transformation, game, etc can in some cases lead to a overall gain that is more than the input but both games are still long term losing games. What is a winning game is the switching between the two losing ones and that switching can cause gains greater than the total input. Notice I said "some case", "can", etc, you have to do work or get randomly lucky to find an example but they are out there for sure without a doubt and they are well documented/researched. Basically the point can be boiled down to: even most losing games are winning some time and if you can find the right pattern for switching between two or more losing games that are correlated in some way sometimes you can get a net gain over total input. The output of such a combined game could look like a stair case or a square wave at an angle

[@crypticnomad]

For anyone interested here is an excerpt from the paper "Occurrence of complementary processes in Parrondo’s paradox" "Parrondo’s paradox involves two losing processes producing a winning outcome. We analyze the paradox with an original and novel method in which we start with one process and seek to construct a complementary process to achieve the paradox. We then derive a general condition for the classical Parrondo game to have a complementary process. Numerical simulation predicts that approximately two-thirds of such losing games satisfy the required condition. This suggests the common occurrence of the paradox, indicative of many potentially undiscovered applications in real-life scenarios involving stochastic processes Parrondo’s paradox [1], [2] involves two losing games being played in a random or periodic alternation to produce a winning outcome. Chaotic switching has also been found to achieve the paradox [3]. Parrondo’s paradox was discovered from investigations in the Brownian ratchet [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], where a Brownian particle shows systematic movement through switching between two different potentials. There have been investigations on Parrondo games, such as determining optimal strategies and sequences [9], [10], [11], [12], [13]. The paradox has found numerous applications in quantum games and models [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21]. The paradox is also found in chaotic systems [22], [23], [24], [25], where a phenomenon of ‘order from disorder’ is apparent. Another major field of application of the paradox arises from population modeling and evolutionary biology [26], [27], [28]. Research in the field has mainly focused on having two processes interact to produce the counterintuitive result. Instead of considering two processes as a whole, we begin with one process, and seek to construct a complementary process for it."

[@conceptofeverything8793]

Beautifully explained. A crystal radio is a great practical example as well.

[@justtinkering6713]

First

[@garrysekelli6776]

The joule thief was invented by Big Clive who is a KZbinr.

[@what-werd]

No he didn't. It's been around long before Clive was a twinkle in his father's eye 😂

[@creatingawareness1947]

Lasersaber has interesting videos for joule thief experimentation 😉👌🏼

[@icebluscorpion]

A Self-starting motor with such few components would be great to see