02/12/2014 Raleigh, NC Snow wrecks and sliding cars - RaleighSkyline com

[@dickiegreenleaf750]

Something about cars sliding and people falling will never get old.

[@keithjacobson1640]

I love how that dog is standing there, watching the chaos unfold

[@Darknlovelyone85]

Keith Jacobson 😂

[@alfredjahnke3128]

Ich würde gerne wissen, was der Hund über die Zweibeiner denkt....

[@johnfellows2867]

The dog was the only one with brains !

[@mikebaugus2881]

The dog has 4 wheel drive.........lol

[@mikebaugus2881]

Add what’s funny....about the comment..../of......them “dumb animals “.................is it? Or are we really we just the dumb people and don’t want to amid it?

[@jonathanlukasovich8589]

FYI: most tire and automatic shop in the U.S south don't sale or distribute chain or snow winter tires to the public, plue the gov. does not require winter tires to be use by the general public. Snow is not the only issue we have during these winter storms, ice, black ice and snow on salted and non salted roads alike. Plus these winter storms are not as common in some areas across the south and dont laste as long when they do accour so alot of people are not used to these weather nor these driving conditions.

[@MrTrizmaster]

that explain a lot, I'm from Norway where it is required by law to mount winter tires or all year tires(not recommended unless you live in really urban places) in winter and normal tires in sommer, and i could understand why people were struggling soo much if they dont have access too proper tires

[@Unseeable..]

It hasn’t snowed in Raleigh like that ever since that day . ):

[@anthonyramirez8367]

I know

[@allgasnobrakes919]

Facts

[@ead3nblvck938]

That one time was enough to last us for a while lol.

[@ariahazelwood3842]

snow in the Research Triangle after 2014: 🏃🏃🏃

[@lukecw62]

Hasn’t snowed in Fresno, Ca since 1998

[@WheelsRCool]

2WD pickup truck with summer tires, not going to work well in the snow!

[@kathyyoung1774]

Kyle Blank There are no snow tires in Raleigh. One or two snows a year, melts in a day or so.

[@jackdaniels19711]

who needs snow tires?? i have never had them/used them. give me a car/truck with no traction control and clutch .....snows not a problem

[@DaveCM]

The problem isn't that it is just snow. It is also mixed with sleet and freezing rain. It's like driving on an ice rink. Combine that with the fact we rarely get that stuff, so people drive around on bald tires, summer tires in winter, and don't have enough equipment to deal.

[@tarheelpro87]

Thank you, finally.

[@LSZocker2009]

What part of "if you lock your brakes, you cant steer" do people not understand!

[@demo-server4091]

LSZocker2009 in nc we never get snow

[@louaykachouane974]

all of it 👌😴

[@marianx21]

amíci nepoznajú ABS a ani zimné gumy

[@kgrimes842]

@@demo-server4091 that's false. I've lived in NC almost my whole life and we get it almost every year. Maybe not to this magnitude but this is NOTHING compared to 2018!

[@tigerzero5216]

This video has been around for a long time. Keep in mind this is happening in a southern state that sees snowfall very little. So most everyone doesn't know that you can't steer your vehicle if you lock the brakes and the tire doesn't roll. Sorry to say I've seen videos of northern state drivers that should know that fact too but they just smash the brakes and slide directly into something.

[@purselmer5931]

Lived in Raleigh since '07 (still live here) and we've gotten at least 2" of snow that remained for at least 2 days every year since I've been here. And there are a TON of northern transplants here too (myself included).

[@harrasika]

@@purselmer5931 woah! 2'' of snow for 2 days!

[@dmack177]

"My car is better than everyone else , surely I can make it up this hill where other cars have crashed "

[@christiana7906]

Really

[@csheets40]

Basically at this point, your car is just a 2,000 lb sled. Doesn't matter if you drive a truck or have 4-wheel drive.

[@nickhill8612]

@@csheets40 Haha I never thought about that before.

[@Иванович-п5м]

80 miles per gallon or 2.7 liters per 100 kilometers. Everybody thinks your car is the best?kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZyXY6KLZdRrn6M

[@larss592]

@@csheets40 fact

[@spiffcats]

One thing guys, only keep your tires straight if hitting the curb. If youturn them at al you will damage or ruin your elignment components.

[@vadimnesen8060]

agreed. I was sliding at 5mph and turned the wheel and messed up my suspension bad

[@jefflund7968]

I love this recipe! Ya got a hill, an icy surface, all season tires, and gravity. Force of gravity exceeds the coefficient of friction and it makes for a good fun video. Add in some inexperienced southern drivers in the snow if you want it to be extra spicy

[@daviddavid5880]

I've been in the Triangle decades now and their snow antics still crack me up. (Cuz it's not like it never snows here) Every time, it's the Snowpocalypse.

[@dianeadkins-diorio1783]

The day when what would normally be a 15-20 minute trip took over 4 hours...

[@vadimnesen8060]

i love the idea of walking around on the road... especially when these 5 thousand pound cars are going down the road unable to turn lol

[@chasbodaniels1744]

Yep, very careless folks.

[@poodtang2104]

Darwin award : (

[@leevanmalssen1266]

this was snowmageddon. took me around 5 1/2 hrs to get home from research triangle park to chatham cty. normally about a 30 min drive. i was in a PT cruiser so no idea really how i was able to when i passed so many vehicles stranded or abandoned.

[@dvader3000]

Oh yeah I remember this mess,took almost 5 hours to get home from hillsborough to cary,thanks God i had no accidents

[@ceyhunnurisutlu5325]

2:14 Genesis: yeah im going to stop Ice:nO

[@susanjackson6521]

I live in Raleigh. The people from up North laugh until they experience “ our snow”. It’s not normal 😁. I have no idea why it’s different. 😁

[@2605155]

hey fellow Raleigh local. It's not dry snow, it's falling slush. It's almost as slippery as ice the moment it hits the ground. When snow is dry, it's almost gritty in nature and tires can grab it. Not slush...

[@garyh4458]

It isn't different. I lived here and there.

[@RIPdixiecarter]

There's that and people suck at driving there like badly maybe because its a college city I guess? And I thought New York City was the worst

[@LilDiabloRob]

I live in PA and this is funny to me. No one buys 2WD pickup trucks here unless it’s for racing. But it’s funny how people don’t take precautions when it snows in places that rarely see snow.

[@aLinuxIce]

1:40 needs bigger rims

[@labrd41]

Absolutely useless tire / rim combination for snow. Actually pretty useless for a truck in any weather. Good for posing though.

[@aLinuxIce]

i was being sarcastic

[@labrd41]

Alin Gheaja .......I know.

[@josephastier7421]

That's why I like driving behind the DeLoreans. They snort the road clean of snow.

[@kgrimes842]

People pick on how people on the south drive in "snow" but mind you NC snow is accompanied more by slush and ice PLUS I've seen several videos of people from the north and Russia driving just as bad. Our roads also don't get salted and scraped as much or as well as they do in places that get snow on a regular basis. Lived my whole life in NC. 2018 was a rough winter- 11 inches of snow with an 1 or 2 of ice (Greensboro) and i was amazed when i moved to ohio and saw how smoothly everything runs up here when its snowing

[@tarheelpro87]

Just remind them at least we have manners down here. 😆

[@Drewrob99]

That was quite a lot of alloy wheels broken

[@judithjanes5738]

My husband-to-be moved from central Texas to north-eastern Washington state, driving a 2WD GMC pickup. I asked him if he was planning on replacing his truck with a 4-wheel drive, and he said he'd never seen enough snow here to need one. Up to that point we'd get 2 or 4 inches at a time, then it would warm up and melt away, for a couple of winters in a row. Luckily, he had bought that 4WD when we got 18 inches of snow in a couple of days. Unluckily for him, he had driven my Subaru to the airport for a fast business trip to Seattle. Spent the night at SEA-TAC because the plows here at the airport couldn't clear the snow off the runways fast enough to let a plane land safely. By the time he got back to our airport, the car was completely buried, with the shovel in the back of the car.

[@kirkm3354]

Is it the humidity that makes the snow there extra slippery?

[@newhuskytwenty]

1:34 Ha ha ha, even your Labrador is enjoying the show humans are doing.

[@louaykachouane974]

when your car slide on a hill . do not keep breaking . you should releast and press the breaks Like the ABS . this will help you

[@alliwishis2652]

Panic braking they are in panic mode at that moment IF you seen it before

[@richa0254]

It snows only a few times a year here. Most natives stay home, make a nice pot of soup, play with the kids and wait as it usually melts in 1-2 days. Most people out and about are transplants here and not used to the ice that always accompanies Southern snows. The transplants gripe becasue the road clearing equipment is limited but like the low tax base which has to go up to buy snow equipment that sits idle 360 days of the year. Your condescending comments are noted but I assure you as a native you are talking about your own kind.

[@irishlackey6428]

+Fred Flintstone Soup? They make french toast. You know, go buy out all the eggs, bread and milk when a skiff of snow is forecasted.

[@user-yu3hs6cf1h]

I would hysterically laugh all day behind that window lol. Also thats why we use chains on the wheels people!

[@bryanjustis532]

Hmmmm North Carolina snow chains are in such high demand .... NOT

[@daniellesmarr8196]

We are not used to driving in winter weather here in NC

[@sreilly]

It's actually really simple. Drive very slowly, turn very slowly, avoid hills at all costs, and gently hit the gas pedal. When coming down an icy hill, shift into a lower gear (automatic or manual transmission) so the engine slows you down. Then all you do is press the brake gently and let the engine do all the work.

[@MemphisMojo15s]

sreilly Exactly. Morons tell people to put it in neutral and guess what..they start sliding

[@chuck6187]

Danielle Smarr Put on snow tires! Huge difference.

[@l337pwnage]

Neutral is better than Drive, downshifting is better than both if you don't let the wheels lock up.

[@kathyyoung1774]

Chuck Buy tires for the once or twice a year it snows, when everything is shut down anyhow? Hardly.

[@Vissent]

When your physics teacher says there is no any coefficient of friction in this problem

[@rsone6945]

Rear wheel drive vehicles are totally useless in winter if you live where the roads can get icy and snow-covered, like here in Wisconsin. We had a few RWD vehicles in the past. Never again. It's 4WD or AWD from now on.

[@OCityHardcoreBeatz]

If your sliding and your car won't turn LET GO OF BRAKE.. Tap the brakes as you go down hill

[@kowanmcgarry]

It looks like they drove very well considering the conditions.

[@lfsracer79]

2:32 one-wheel drive

[@juanshobarenque5067]

Open dif

[@bcabmac]

If you lock up your brakes when the road is slick you can't steer and u will travel where ever momentum carries you. If you pulse your brakes 2 seconds, then let it roll 2 seconds, back and forth. You can get some control. Brake then roll, brake then roll, brake then roll. While you might not be able to totally stop sliding down a hill you can at least steer in a safe direction and slow down. If u hold your brakes your done. The front tires have to be able to roll, even if it's just a little at a time to for you to steer. Practice it in a parking lot. It's a lot better then shi$#ing your pants when you hit ice unexpectedly and unprepared.

[@supadave4552]

I remember this snow like it was yesterday..but it was ice packed too which is why it was so slick

[@sethb9545]

How many cars suck in the road before you decide you can't make it up or down the hill 100 ?

[@snowrocket]

Great video! Lots of problems here, but all understandable. North Carolina doesn't get enough snow to justify having sufficient snow removal/salting equipment. The drivers and cars aren't prepared for snow because snow rarely occurs here. It all equals one big occasional mess. The best advice for folks in this situation: stay at work or school for 24 hours after it snows while finding a northerner near you to take you home.

[@CAMAROFAN45]

I was going to say has anybody herd of winter tires but I live in Manitoba that's why I would have said that

[@mr.d9562]

Why are they trying to go uphill?🤔

[@michaelbanasiak3015]

The dog is the only one that knows what he is doing.

[@4Zeus20]

lol

[@Bierwirth5]

I like how the 4wd 4 runner had it in 2wd Lol

[@MemphisMojo15s]

dang gummit, Toyota made 4WD 4Runners.

[@Bierwirth5]

zero to 60 in 6 seconds your right my bad ..

[@stevenmc56]

dang gummit some four runners are 2wheel peel

[@Crap783851]

not all 4 runners have 4wd

[@lfsracer79]

@@Crap783851 Then they should be called 2Runners...

[@joanns7007]

It was ridiculous! I live 10 minutes from work but every street was gridlocked with wrecked and abandoned cars. Took me 10 hours to get home.

[@heatherb5368]

For all of you asking why no snow tires? It's because Central and Eastern North Carolina rarely sees snow so it's not worth purchasing and honestly I don't even know if snow tires are available here. Also since this state doesn't get a lot of snow we don't have a huge budget for road maintenance so the only thing that can be done is brine the roads. Well if it rains before the snow and most of our snow storms begins with rain then that brine is washed away. And for everyone screaming we just should've stayed home obviously has never had a job in retail. As a store manager for a big box retailer we're expected to be at work regardless and no we can't stay at our jobs overnight if the roads are too bad. Please don't judge unless you understand our circumstances. You guys act like snow is something we get often but I assure you it is not!

[@clarissakrigger4599]

this was the worse and i had winter tires on my car and still slid into ice. had to zebulon from new bern ave in order to get to work because the walk home was more dangerous than the longer walk to work. what i didn't understand is, it was snowing on tuesday morning and nothing was really done to the roads, then wednesday came and there was still nothing on the roads. this happeens everytime it snows in nc, you knew the snow was coming and yet nothing is ever done until the last minute.

[@mvol5973]

multiple winners here for the "I was too stupid to stay in the house" award. Even the dog is looking around like "you dumbass humans"

[@csheets40]

Who needs to go out for entertainment when you can just go on the front porch for free entertainment.

[@howlinwulf]

The dog had enough sense not to drive. He was thinking about it though 😂

[@reelguyoutdoors5536]

gear down when going down hill helps rather than locking up brakes

[@frasierthebichon7422]

Ah....here we go with all the keyboard warriors telling people what they are doing wrong and why they are stuck when they themselves would be the first ones not having a clue out there

[@jpwolf7313]

Low profiles on a pickup truck... i will never get that

[@poodtang2104]

Yeah they are stupid aren't they.

[@briandalton8890]

Yeah I agree

[@JeffDeWitt]

Even dumber are the low profile tires and the front end sticking up in the air.

[@pigjubby1]

"I know how to drive. "Don't need chains."

[@kathyyoung1774]

pigjubby1 Nobody HAS chains in Raleigh!

[@greaser3069]

Just snow tires and a brain is all you need.

[@mediacritic]

I love watching these.

[@vmobile890]

Are snow tire chains illegal is some states ? Ore do people just like to slide and run into things?

[@JeffDeWitt]

Yes, because they damage the roads. Chains ARE legal in North Carolina "... that it shall be permissible to use tire chains of reasonable proportions upon any vehicle when required for safety because of snow, ice or other conditions tending to cause a vehicle to slide or skid. "

[@victorjeffers1993]

Here's a helpful hint when you lock up all four tires by braking with pedal your not going to be able to steer if you use your emergency brake you will be able to steer you vehicle ! You won't stop any quicker in snow or ice with all 4 wheels locked an sliding than if you have 2 wheels sliding at least you can steer by having your front rolling !

[@user-os8sq3uh4n]

1:08 1:16 What did they think was gonna happen?

[@The101Point1]

Why is this so fun to watch

[@stevenmc56]

tires are everything on snow and ice your brakes are your worst enemy !

[@kathyyoung1774]

Steve Mclain No snow tires here. It snows once or twice a year, usually in February. That's it.

[@cinnamon9348]

Have you guys heard of chains?

[@alfalfonso9196]

chuck norris don´t need chains

[@thomasbenson4867]

I live here in the upstate South Carolina and I don't need chains... I have a 06 Saturn ion 4dr it's all about skills.. we get way more than them

[@deannelson9565]

As a person who lives in North Dakota you don't need chains on that s*** that's not even that Icy. these guys just don't know how to drive on it!

[@hhds113]

Have you ever heard of state laws? Some states don't allow chains.

[@kathyyoung1774]

Heard of them, but they are ILLEGAL.

[@johnbarron4265]

Rules of driving on snow: Do you have winter tires? If not, you're going to get stuck. Do you have AWD? Doesn't matter if you do.

[@thedude5472]

Lol my 4x4 gets around just fine on ATs

[@johnbarron4265]

@@thedude5472 Until you have to turn or brake. LOL

[@redskiclayton]

TIRES, TIRES, TIRES! Studded snows are YOUR FRIEND in any part of the world where slippery conditions exist! Even at the bare minimum a decent set of snow tires!

[@vmsmith16]

I will say, as someone who moved to NC from up North, the snow is worse down here. It's not as frequent, but it's always a wet, slippery, snow that is pretty difficult to drive in. Then, couple that with unfamiliar drivers, and you've got some interesting footage.

[@davidgeorge3359]

Did anyone think to stop the cars at the top and bottom of the hill!

[@angelbulldog4934]

Looks like Maywood Avenue. I used to live down the street.

[@tonylambert7345]

he sprayed the road with his hose so he could make this sweet video lol

[@lilolme69]

I would if I lived there.....

[@creepingbert]

It's funny watching people who don't know that snowy roads are slippery...

[@ThePurpleMushroom]

Lol, I drove by there like 2 or 3 years ago when it snowed and I could not get up the dang hill. Luckily a nice person helped me maneuver and get me to the top of the hill so I could be on my way.

[@donniegray553]

2 words from a man in south-east Kentucky: SNOW TIRES!! Real ones, not the "all season" tires

[@crockpot5194]

Donnie Gray Does All Terrain count?

[@MemphisMojo15s]

CROCKPOT way better than all season tires

[@swamprat69er]

@MrRiggyRiggs Bullshit! As a guy that uses snow tires EVERY winter I can tell you from experience, they work good.

[@Crap783851]

@MrRiggyRiggs Really?.... are you sure about that?

[@Xanthopteryx]

And especially the one we have in Sweden: Nordic winter tires. We all have to have them during winter.

[@spiffcats]

Must never snow there, people have no idea how to handle snow.

[@kathyyoung1774]

spiffcats Only 1 or 2 times a year

[@DM-hw4cr]

A 4runner in 2 wheele drive. Genius

[@irishman4671]

I had just moved to Raleigh from Iowa and was out in this in my rear wheel drive cadillac. Peice of cake. Got home just fine. The only thing about living in Iowa that paid off was knowing how to drive in this stuff. 🙂

[@luisz2853]

1:36 perfect tyres for snow day

[@ladyo7254]

When it snowed like this in Atl I drove Uber and made nice money taking people home and getting school kids home. When ur from up north we kno how to drive in snow. Bad part was south dnt clear road like up north. So it was little rough 😕 had to stay away from hills thankfully I knew atl roads

[@jaxthibert4293]

Beautiful Dog !!

[@jamestaggert4361]

1:30, the smartest creature in the whole town because he stayed home! he shaked his head because of the stupid humans he saw.

[@hemikid52]

The tires are slipping! I'll just give it MORE gas... lol.

[@TakeItToCurve]

Yep, Snow tires, and....öööh...manual gearbox....hate those automatic US cars in winter...

[@erl1544]

This is a compilation of southern drivers who have never lived in an area with snow.

[@RIPdixiecarter]

Lol its Raleigh, barely half of the population are actually from North Carolina.

[@magus77nl]

1:46 just set it in 4x4 and enable lock diffs... Why keep it rear drive only???

[@magus77nl]

lol, only skin and show then, not a real car :p

[@danielbargas3377]

+HostingLines I was out there in my 98 Tacoma with 6in lift, 35's and Detroit lockers front and rear. People thought I was a god or something that day

[@miguelsalas5024]

It's a sport CAR (truck) not an all terrain 4x4. Different cars for different situations.

[@magus77nl]

ah a wannabe. like he wants the looks but can't affort the real thing?

[@whatevernevermind5960]

0:52 Infiniti G20 0:55 Jetta TDI

[@jamestaylor7417]

Not a single one with their headlights on, either. SMH

[@humphrey28078]

Right, because having your headlights on helps you driver better in the snow in the SOUTH. SMH indeed...

[@kathyyoung1774]

humphrey28092 It helps you be noticed, so you are less likely to get hit. Headlights are required by law in rain and any time you turn on wipers.

[@humphrey28078]

@@kathyyoung1774 Thats not entirely accurate. In some areas, that might be law, but not even close to being nationwide.

[@alfredjahnke3128]

Fahrt Ihr in Amerika mit Sommerreifen durch den Winter ? Sieht fast so aus.....

[@kathyyoung1774]

Alfred Jahnke It snows 1 or 2 DAYS a YEAR.

[@Bergman644]

@flashpitt A fellow Yinzer checking in. I love your photography in and around Pittsburgh. I just saw your twitter feed was added to PittsburghSkyline.com, which is how I found this video. It seems like some of the driving in the video could be considered reckless considering the conditions. Living in that area now, do you think it's attributed to a lack of experience with those kinds of conditions?

[@Tintoycar]

0:42 why are people so stupid, just stop braking and the car will turn, you can see this at 2:03

[@merekchertkow2665]

I can’t believe a truck driver would not know to light off the brakes and keep the wheels turning so you can keep some control. When you walk up the tires you have no control

[@ttessie]

I honestly want to live on that street for this reason

[@reginaldb.campbelljr.2492]

I remember this one! I was working at da Sheraton hotel Downtown Raleigh North Carolina. Everyone was scared. Not me because I'm from Bronx NY get way more snow.

[@bronxhistory2051]

That's what I am saying

[@poodtang2104]

You think maybe they should stop trying to go up and down the hill. After all that failed ..... that's obvious right.

[@lukemn29]

As a Minnesota native, I find this hilarious.

[@angiecampbell492]

This is nothing. I am from the mountains of NC. Ashe County. We have snow like this every winter and we keep on going

[@edwardsadler6003]

Your brakes can be your worst enemy, going down a hill and trying to turn with the brakes fully engaged don't work, let off the brakes for a second and it will turn then balance braking and steering and hope nobody is in your way.

[@WheelsRCool]

All these people pressing their brakes and locking up their wheels could probably steer if they let off the brake. If the car starts to slide, then let off the brake a bit to let the front wheels turn so you can steer.

[@MemphisMojo15s]

Yes! Finally someone gets it! Thank you. :-)

[@Xanthopteryx]

And, use a car with ABS! You can't buy a new car in Sweden without it, and ESP is also regulated by law so all new cars must have it. My first car from 1996 had ABS as standard. That is 22 years ago!

[@kathyyoung1774]

Xanthopteryx This isn't Sweden. Raleigh gets a little snow once or twice a year, often not enough for the kids to go sledding. That storm was extremely unusual.

[@michiel75]

My ultra lightweight Daihatsu Cuore would have made it to the top with no fuss on wintertyres. Due to its low weight, long wheelbase and small tyres it goes extremely well in the snow.

[@RollingInMy5pt0]

Michiel M lol. Shut up nerd

[@Xanthopteryx]

@Gary R en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire Read the first line. Tyre is correct. Tire is correct.

[@Xanthopteryx]

@Gary R So, yes, as i said: Tyres are correct. Tires are correct. Or what was your point?

[@Xanthopteryx]

@Gary R The origin of tire/tyre is somewhat unclear, to begin with. And second, both forms has been around since 15-16th century so the form tyre is VERY old. And just because something is not known in the US doesn't mean that it's non existing. You know, there is a world outside the US, and KZbin is part of that multinational multilingual world. I love language and language history and why words are spoken and written in a certain way, and when you dig deeper you will find out that a LOT of all the words you use has been changed over time regarding spelling and meaning. BTW, as an example, the word reflection: If you look at the etymology, it should be spelled reflexion. So you are spelling it wrong if you spell it reflection...

[@kathyyoung1774]

Gary R Somebody in the U.K. telling NC residents what to do.

[@alfalfonso9196]

did they have wintertyres???

[@kathyyoung1774]

Alf Alfonso No

[@skfrazer388]

Best ice road I have seen.

[@hmg9194]

1:36 fancy wheels doing the M O S T

[@reymorgan5142]

Они на летней резине?

[@terrywilliams759]

Michelin x-ice snow tires would definitely get you up the hill I've driven all kinds of winter weather they are by far superior

[@olivierdagenais2559]

I got my Nokian hakkapeliitta 7 studded 2 years ago and I would never choose anything else.

[@terrywilliams759]

@@olivierdagenais2559 thank you I will get them

[@olivierdagenais2559]

@@terrywilliams759 they are now known as the nordman7 but honestly I can't slide around even if I want to slide a corner. They are really durable. I have a small Yaris 2007 and since I have them I never got stuck. I swear to the Lord of car, this is my best car purchase ever

[@larryguyer9816]

Don't you just Love winter

[@Aesh-om2sz]

I'll never understand why people don't understand simple physics, god damn this makes me wanna cry

[@bb1040]

Funny when these drivers hold the brakes and keep sliding and can not steer, if they would let up on the brakes a little they could steer the cars a little bit...

[@PeterLawton]

There is a perfect demo of what you're talking about @1:54 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ2mgmSIi6aKiJY