1 CORVETTE VS 6 FIGHTERS - How effective are corvettes? - Space Engineers

[@ltm277]

This is why I bought SE, it’s ability to get ships actively messed up and not just some HP bar decreasing. More like this would be great to watch

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Have you also tries Avorion?

[@captaindarksign3589]

Yes, that was my main reason to get SE too, because i love doing damage and see the ship in front of me slowly falling apart.

[@Space_Mann21]

I agree, this is a good series idea.

[@ltm277]

@@kerbalairforce8802 Just looked it up and added to the wishlist.

[@oththakom9327]

As much as everyone focuses on trying to fix survival, I feel that battle simulations are under-utilized outside of Weaponscore competitions. Especially since we have everything needed to do them and even more once the AI grid update is released.

[@congareel]

Completely agree and want to see more content like this that can test the battle effectiveness of ships. I'm a survival junkie but despite that it's just great content to see how ships perform under fire. The slow mo shots too... awesome

[@mattp1337]

This is a bottomless well of potential content, measuring popular capital ships against popular strike craft. Ideally, there would be several runs, allowing each side to iterate on their tactics. Throw away the first few trials, and count the best of the final 3, 5 or whatever. Lastly, summarize what each side thought was working or not working in terms of both design and tactics.

[@robopenguin5501]

I agree! I want to see more of this! We need viable practical testing of different ship types!

[@Fnaffan_-tc2so]

If some Heavy Fighters with Assault Cannons were attacking the Ressults would quite different, bcs Assault Cannon Shells are able to Damage an Gatling Turret enough that’s it’s unusable after a Singe Hit

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

Assault canons are slow to reload and their ammo explodes when hit. The attacking fighter would have to hope they didn't catch any returning fire or and have their magazines explode or they'd have to carry a limited supply of ammo to minimize secondary explosions. If the fighter missed their first shots a large grid gatling turret would rip them apart long before they finished reloading.

[@WhatIsThatThingDoing]

@@GhostOfSnuffles I guess it's a matter of ensuring the shots land and do so quickly, preferably keeping as good a distance as can be reasonably fired from. How it can be done in practise is the next step.

[@jesus2639]

I was thinking the same thing. There are weapons intended to penatrate heavy armor that should have been put on.

[@Erik_Ice_Fang]

You also run into ammo storage issues. Anything larger than autocannon magazines quickly take up storage space on small grids

[@JaredTravioli]

Also would have to make the fighter a lot bigger to hold enough ammo to be any more use than the no reloading rocket launchers.

[@stijndevocht8026]

great idea to test ship classes in a realistic fight, in my mind, the sum of the CPU of the ships involved should be the measure to set up the battles, but the number of players needed to control the ships is also a big factor in faction v faction warfare

[@DRaytheSPY]

Really these fighters were never gonna win with just gatlings guns, but would provide a lot more challenge and damage if they were using autocannons. Since the gatling does so little damage against armor.

[@PeterBoddy]

This shouldn't be a one off. :) Do more 'lore' stuff, definitely the different classes fighting battles they're meant to fight, and ones that they may be overmatched in.

[@voodoovince8001]

I am more of an AA cruiser person then AA Corvette person, this is due to the image of a big ship creating walls of bullets that fighters crash into trying to get to their real targets is pretty cool in my mind.

[@LunarKolony]

Battlestar style, definitely cool

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

Yeah. While corvettes are definitely good as small dedicated AA ships I’d personally make a frigate subtype the “AA Frigate” or “Flak Frigate” which is the primary AA ship for fleets, battlegroups, etc So corvettes can serve as AA escort for smaller groups and may usually get involved in the fighter dogfights due to their agility while the AA/Flak frigates stick with the main fleet and protect the larger ships.

[@arcticgalegamer8139]

I mean that's entirely fair. Comes down to the realism aesthetic you want for your fleet building. If you make a single AA cruiser with the firepower of like 5 Corvettes, that's still only one target If something hits that cruiser, disables it's engines, you've lost 5 Corvettes worth of AA If you make 5 Corvettes, one gets hit, you have lost 1 Corvette worth of AA, but still have 4 That being said, it's Space Engineers, not necessarily real world economics So build whatever the fuck you want.

[@DariusT32]

Love this video, I want more like it! I would love to see a video of a corvette defending against bombers (in my lore bombers are small grids specifically designed for fast strikes on large grids. Typically to soften large grids before the main engagement happens.) Maybe have a corvette guarding a large grid target ship and have the bombers complete strikes against the target?

[@LunarKolony]

thanks!

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Nice to see someone putting theory to practice. This just reinforces the fact that a purpose build ship is better than a jack of all trades ship.

[@frumpkin9282]

Absolutely love this video format! It gives a really nice view of some combat and gives people a good idea of how things actually play out in game.

[@LunarKolony]

thanks!

[@mackinawsensei3541]

Nice ship ! I like that you still left a weakness in the firing arc of the turrets, makes it all the more flavourful for lore and gives an opportunity for clever fighter pilots to disable the corvette without taking excessive damage.

[@LunarKolony]

Glad someone can see a ship from a lore perspective :) great observation, in the story of 'merills gap' on my channel, firing arcs come into great detail

[@scruffted]

Yooooo now this was cool!!!!!! your corvette was fantastic! love the video!

[@MrBlackdragon1230]

I enjoyed the hell out of this, I'd be interested in seeing more battle matchups. Its always interesting to see content like this.

[@christianaraje3569]

I like it, nice to see that the Verona still holds up.

[@andrewwalton6236]

Really enjoyed watching your fleet theory in action, would love to see more.

[@The_White_Warlord]

Ace pilot in a fighter with torpedo: "Frigate, hold my beer" xD

[@TheyCommanderBacara]

A small grid fighter bomber with a well placed missile volley can disable or outright destroy frigates, destroyers and especially corvettes.

[@-saca-1297]

Def do more of this kind of video, they're super interesting and helpful when designing ships!

[@Peepjouster27]

Yeah, I think we need more of this.

[@nicolasrouvreau8365]

Remind me some "the expande" battles 😄

[@maxhill7065]

I think my favorite part was where you were getting dinged by the interior turrets when you went to check damage along the side of the Verona in that last engagement

[@ChazWozaUK]

Started watching you when I saw your ship class series. I really like this format especially since your ships aren’t the armoured brick with no systems on show. How about the corvette fighting off some sort of torpedo or heavy bomber type small grids?

[@lw8553]

this was beautiful, Luna i love your lore i'm 100% down with it

[@williambailey1451]

Great video! I'd love to see some destroyers (or other glass cannon ships) vs a battleship or battlecruiser and see which would win.

[@gibbhartin643]

I love the idea that these battles would be like two scavenger groups using older ships that were basically mint in some salvage war

[@jathalan]

Great video! Rather than a test of different ship types, I'd like to see tests of strategy and tactics. When they were running the weapon core tournaments, that was what I liked to see the most. The test in escort techniques, attack techniques (is it better to hit a turreted ship from multiple sides or all on one side?), force or weapons mix (how would your Corvette do with assault cannons instead of Gatling?), and prioritization of fleet equipment.

[@picklep3076]

You ever need an extra pilot. I'm ready to fly and muck things up.

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

They didn't just reduce the damage of interior turrets, they also cut the range. The interior turret's range has been reduced to 400m. It used to be 800m. This further reduced their effectiveness against fighters. I had a ship set up with a large number of interior turrets for defense against drones (I usually keep drones turned off...), and it got in trouble because the drones had more range than the majority of the ship's weapons. It had, I think, only 2 Gatling turrets.

[@comradeblin256]

Here's a challenge= fight squadron of gun fighter. Yes a fighter thats dotted with 10 to 12 assault cannons and basically a flying gun. Now THAT is a worthy enemy! If u say no one autistic enough, oh boy a dude in my server gain infamy by that. He do it alone btw.

[@ShiftyshadowTV]

Very nice, perhaps a ground based anti-air encampment (or vehicle) vs fighters. Could use the same fighters as this video and test different turret setups against them. Keep up the great work!

[@LunarKolony]

Ground vehicles would be cool, tho I'm not sure how easy it would be to setup

[@ShiftyshadowTV]

@@LunarKolony Yeah, it would probably be a bit more work initially. If you set something up for another video, reusing it for this may be worth it.

[@dragonf1recdn]

Cool new intro art with LK's famous music! love it

[@dragonmaster1500]

This is really neat, I'd be interested to see how this corvette, or a successor design, would perform with updated post-warfare weapons. Maybe even custom flak turrets in place of the main Gatling's and custom small grid Gatling's in place of the old older interior turrets.

[@mrJMD]

I could watch ships battle each other all day on SE. By all means, more would be appreciated!

[@Cr4sHOv3rRiD3]

That's the main reason why I love Corvettes and why I always building them for PVP even if I mostly play in PVE (much much effective) :D

[@LunarKolony]

I also prefer pve :)

[@Cr4sHOv3rRiD3]

@@LunarKolony less stress when playing solo :D

[@ItsJustVirgil]

Letting you guys know right now, the answer is usually yes. Unless they ram you. If you’re fighting pilots entirely willing to start ramming you, you probably wouldn’t have won anyway.

[@Fnaffan_-tc2so]

Yes what? Yes the Corvette is Winning or Yes the Fighters are Winning?

[@rynozerous2755]

@@Fnaffan_-tc2so The corvette..

[@scotto196]

I usually make remote control fighters and have drones fly with my fighter as wingman

[@jeffreybomba]

The classifications of ships have always been fluid depending on the time and organization designing and employing them. Logically, a fighter needs a stationary base or carrier which limits range or requires massive resources. In a real word situations, lighter ships like corvettes and frigates have had the carrying capacity, for supplies and fuel, and therefore longer range, to perform long term patrol or infiltration missions, without needing an expensive carrier.

[@whitestarHokie]

Small-grid Gunship or Strike Bomber vs Corvette Be interesting to see the smallest combat vessel that could Wolfpack their way past screening corvettes to either strike the larger craft or allow other vessels to do so.

[@fakshen1973]

The missile turret seemed to do all of the heavy lifting. Having one or two more would have ended the battle very quickly in my opinion. A hit with a gatling gun will damage just one block. You have to hit that block repeatedly for it to fail. So gatlings spread damage too thin to be effective. The missiles hit hard even if not as often. One missile hit was a critical knockout, leaving the attacking force down a complete set of gatlings and rockets.

[@LunarKolony]

Problem is, especially if the fighters stay further away, missiles are much easier to dodge. Plus they cost uranium each salvo

[@trolly4233]

Right now there aren’t enough players in most servers for large battles, plus block limits don’t allow for proper fleet combat. Even in the best case scenario of a lot of people in a faction and good block limits (or no limits at all), battles tend to end poorly or are boring because no one wanted to go mine for the resources to make more ships, ammo, etc etc. One good example is a 2-faction combat server I played on, every battle would rarely involve more than 4 small ships and would devolve into ramming because no one brought enough ammo… planetary battles are just a no, you can immobilize a tank in 1 hit because wheels are made of paper. Proper tank tracks would be nice, more durable but slower.

[@mariaragonese2543]

With a little redesign you can have 4 gat turrets on each side.

[@isaaclussier8786]

Someone needs to start making more content like this

[@supa_star]

Torpedo divers vs battleships? Would be cool.

[@WhatIsThatThingDoing]

A torpedo bomber idea may be the answer. Not necessarily a torpedo by design, but something in the general spirit of a light-ish fighter carrying a weapon or two intended to substantially damage larger vessels. A cannon, railgun, or actual torpedo could suit this role, practicality dictating final choice.

[@magikal_maddi2130]

Interesting results. I been wondering what kind of warship to build for my solo survival game, a corvette such as this is looking pretty good. Curious as to how you accomplished this. Setting a faction to enemy (using in-game AI)? other players?

[@LunarKolony]

I always recommend gunships for survival solo as they pack a punch for a cheap price, but a frigate is also a good choice as they give u more room and sometimes a hangar, bit more self sufficient

[@TheJayKS]

since the warfare 2 DLC came out. you ever think of replacing turrets on that ship for custom turret controller ones ? so you can more barrels per turret or so they have a lower profile which might make it harder for attackers to ID the turrets

[@LunarKolony]

True they would be better, but alot more of a pain to build and repair in survival

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Assault cannon turrets are instant death to small fighters.

[@Haldaemon]

I’d be really interested in seeing 2 corvettes against 10+ fighters. I think multiple corvettes could cover each other well enough to dominate a swarm of fighters.

[@dattroll2019]

this whole 'space warfare' thing is basically a more complicated version of rock, paper, scissors

[@LunarKolony]

I sort of think of it like Pokémon types sometimes

[@Comicsluvr]

This video highlights perfectly the age-old contest with wet-navy vessels. Do you build bigger ones, but fewer of them due to cost? Do you build smaller ones at the risk of them being more fragile? Or short-range defensive vessels (cheaper due to the lack of a Jump Drive) that are great at defending a fixed point but unable to respond at any great distance? I would like to see a breakdown, logistically, of the Verona versus 6 of the fighters and a ship capable of carrying them to the battlefield. Which side costs more resources to field? Which one requires less manpower to operate properly? These are just some of the decisions that Command has to make before committing to battle. Very well done!

[@LunarKolony]

Thank you :) personally I prefer quality always;

[@badblinco]

Replacing the missile turrets with auto cannons on the frigate would have made a massive difference, they hit like artillery on small grid

[@alexhail9971]

Amazing video may I sagest testing the viability of tecnicals against fights as 90% of my facson ground vicals are simple technical

[@Spartwo]

The return of the intro song is welcome

[@noahvcat9855]

Corvettes are more of a escort type warship so ideally you'd want multiple corvettes working together or corvettes with other ship types, the damage that we see here could be much less if the corvette was operating as part of a fleet or battle group

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

Autocannon turrets?

[@LunarKolony]

what?

[@Joe-to3kj]

@@LunarKolony Huh

[@Cooldude-ko7ps]

@@LunarKolony well it was a comment I posted before the video actually posted. I was asking if the corvette would have custom autocannon turrets.

[@TASTEGROUND]

thats epic

[@GreatBumbino]

I think one of the added benefits of fighters is their cost compared to large grid ships. With a good printable design you wouldn’t mind throwing away a squadron to take down a large grid ship.

[@madcat789]

Those fighters are going to need to pack some decoys to deploy and some Anti-Ship weaponry.

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

IMHO the best use of small grid against large grid are long range engagements using Warfare 2 weapons, mainly the railgun and assault cannon. You can pelt a large grid ships at ~1km distances with those weapons that auto-turrets can't reliably hit back at. The person in the large grid ship is either forced to close range with each individual fighter closer then 800 meters to get the lower range turrets like the gatling turrets and missile turrets to fire back or the large grid ship is forced to stay at range and allocate a second crew member to manually control a large caliber turret to have any chance of hitting back. I

[@bobbyflynn6352]

How did you give the ships AI?

[@newfang6234]

Not gonna lie... combat can be a fun video edit. 😎 cool vid.

[@itsDIETZ]

Loved the video! Would love to see more!

[@LunarKolony]

Thank you!

[@ringavidra]

Maybe consider build video of upgrading Verona to Warfare 2 standarts and then followup similar testing vid?

[@Sukhoi2771]

3 corvettes vs 1 Heavy Cruiser

[@nycos84]

Can you test your corvette against an escort mission?

[@Smarglenargle]

how does space engineers work? Is there a single player or is it all server based? Are there npcs you can fight for new players or are we thrust into pvp with our flying bricks? Also, can one player control a large ship by themselves? or do they need to actually have friends? :(

[@LunarKolony]

One player can control a large ship, ur friends can walk around inside while your flying about. It has single player and multiplayer and their is both PvP and pve

[@adolfdripler581]

@Lunar Kolony PVE is kinda shit tho unless you have mods

[@LunarKolony]

@@adolfdripler581 tell me about it 😂😂

[@jesus2639]

The out come would have been totaly different if the fighters had artillery cannons. Of course they didnt penetrate large grid armor with those tinny gattlings. Id like to see the same fighter with at least a heavy calibur weapon intended to crack armor.

[@LunarKolony]

Yeah I mentioned that in the video

[@rowbot5555]

Assault cannon is what I'd go for, either that, or autocannon, since both of those are much more effective even against heavy armor

[@Thunder0010]

how did you get the fighters to attack? others players flying them?

[@LunarKolony]

I flew them :)

[@whitesquirrel4131]

Thats a MIX of thrusters. If you breed the two together, you'll get hybrids. May as well get the atmos in there too, a real orgy of thrusters,

[@LunarKolony]

Hybrid propulsion, not thruster

[@aethertech]

My one point of discussion regarding this video, is calling it a corvette, instead of a gunboat or gunship. I don't think it quite fits into classical corvette rolls; while it does fit into gunboat or gunship rolls. Typically, a corvette has always been (to me,) a more utilitarian hybrid of a ship. Carrying some measure of both anti-capital, and anti-starfighter/pdw, while retaining some room for cargo and maybe even other systems (expanded comms/sensors, VIP transport suites, etc...) While Gunboats and Gunships really do tend to fit into the anti-starfighter/pdw roll that you've designed the Verona for. But, it is your universe, and if that is what you chose to classify as a corvette, than that is absolutely ok. Neat battle though. I wonder how the fighters would do with turreted weapons, allowing for more stand-off maneuverability at the cost of relying on AI targeting?

[@aethertech]

100% great content, and please continue with it. Short content-full videos like this that don't get to deep, but do get deep enough for the important facts are always great, imo.

[@LunarKolony]

its a corvette class in my fleets, thanks though!

[@aethertech]

@@LunarKolony *thumbsup!*

[@bloodysath]

How about small fighters with Railguns?

[@sethgilcrist8088]

So how were you able to fly all the fighters at once?? I'd love to be able to do that??

[@LunarKolony]

Replay tool, wouldnt work in mutliplayer tho

[@sethgilcrist8088]

@@LunarKolony thanks for letting me know

[@highground2320]

Here in 2024 I only use gatling guns for turrets or early game when resources are at a premium on fighters. I prefer to use 2-4 autocannons, which will tear up any lightly armored ship.

[@shahbazfawbush]

Also fighters with railguns can engage from 1k plus, avoiding Gatling fire.

[@leopardspheel3638]

One bit of a criticism. The corvette didn't really maneuver or try anything. I would add that using tactics to force enemies into where you want them would be a better way to display. Without proper tactics, many ships are about useless vs. other ships of similar or some about worse if the worse ship deploys good tactics. I've watched as small ships brawl with battle ships because of good use of tactics. Edit: I mean it looked as if there was a lack of tactics, it moved, but not in some fancy tactic

[@VitriolicVermillion]

Is this done in terms of fleet rules that you and your friends have, or is it a free-for-all design thing so long as it's unmodded? Trying to figure out if there's a reason to justify small grid ships at all

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Did any of the fighters deploy those decoys?

[@theodor5480]

How about a battle between a Carrier (filled with fighters) and a destroyer.

[@someworkerdrone23547]

Can you do a battle ship vs 50 fighters?

[@ConnaKazie.]

I have a question to anyone who knows, I've seen in a few of Lunar Kolony's videos to make turrets stagger fire, e.g. when referencing the front of a Destroyer ship to have a bunch of Artillery Turrets that fire front to back for a barrage instead of all at once. How do I do this? I've been looking through Google and found a sript but it only works for static weapons, how do I accomplish this for turrets?

[@LunarKolony]

This is just a trick I do in cinematics, don't know if it's possible in actual gameplay

[@ConnaKazie.]

@@LunarKolony that makes sense, it do look awesome

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Timers could work. I use them to stagger fire on custom turrets

[@leipajuusto2964]

now i just want to see this with bombers, not interceptors or corvette versus light frigate

[@LunarKolony]

good idea!

[@arosinek]

Very cool video to watch! Little better camera work and it will be perfect!

[@Alex-bo4je]

But how many fighters could you have made with resources of the one corvette? It may be better to have multiple fighter squadrons, than one corvette. Of course that is another perspective entirely. Keep going with this video series!

[@LunarKolony]

Yeah this is true, however the corvette would only need one pilot! (Maybe more for repairs etc)

[@Alex-bo4je]

@@LunarKolony True, you will need more pilots! Also, a corvette may have a needed function or capability that cannot be replicated by any number of fighters. Maybe troop insertion, etc. I was just thinking about resource utilization.

[@LunarKolony]

@@Alex-bo4je also the jump drive on the corvette

[@PraetorPaktu]

Nice video.

[@mindlessmrawesome]

This would've had a different outcome if the interceptors had utilized proper combat practice. When attacking a turreted target, you need to spin around while thrusting either up or down so as to throw off turret targeting. I didn't see any of those interceptors using that maneuver, so no wonder they all were instantly annihilated. Also, let's be realistic here; those interceptors are undergunned. Only 4 gatlings is not enough for a fighter to be taken seriously. I'd say 6 or 8 for a craft of that size is what you'd actually see in real combat. And while this wasn't necessarily the point of the exercise, an interceptor should never be going anywhere near a Corvette. Interceptors are almost exclusively built for going after other small craft. It would be more fair to use proper fighters as opposed to interceptors, as fighters typically have some semblance of anti-ship capability. Other than that, it was a cool and well-produced video. Battle was also cool. Keep up the good work 👍

[@LunarKolony]

Yeah this wasn't a practical PVP test, more just a bit of fun for entertainment and thought, glad you enjoyed!

[@captainroyalty904]

That poor fighter 0:16

[@Domaorn]

so short range jumps wasnt factored into this? when crowded a short 10km jump can make or break a ship to me. some may frown on this, but its a tactic why take a pounding when you use strategy Lunar, do a vid on jump combat tactics. Most of us have no clue how to get to that point in the game to be honest love this vid brother man

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Do a minimal 5km jump, and by the time it's over, the drive is charged and ready for another jump

[@chrisbacon3071]

Nice slow mode!

[@LunarKolony]

thanks chris!

[@nuruddinshah684]

Hmm...why 2 gattling on each side? Should it be 1 on all side for maximum poind defense and fighter screen

[@LunarKolony]

4:22

[@DSiren]

I have to say, by your own terminology this was stacked in the favor of the corvette. Interceptors aren't what a corvette is supposed to screen against, they're supposed to screen against Bombers, Missiles, attack craft, and assault transports. Interceptors likewise share these same targets, and aren't supposed to fight corvettes. That's just my two cents here. Most of my small craft DO NOT qualify as interceptors, due to their heavy armament and armor. This is why I build corvettes and screening destroyers.

[@noisetheory1780]

2:14 FINISH HIM!!

[@mrkngturkey6054]

In your video I believe you said destroyers should be able to fight capital ships with heavy weapons and high maneuverability Why not put your dreadnought against a groups of 3 destroyers and see what kind of damage they can dish out

[@why8410]

So are people controlling the fighters and corvette ir is AI?

[@death13a]

spinning would help to spread damage over armor more without fighters locking on weapons and destroying them

[@friendlyfire3412]

Lmao They use 1 Damn Corvette to kill A Capital Battleship in Star Sector

[@noneyaonenoneyatwo2879]

Do me a favor and replace the Gatling turrets with assault turrets and see how it performs

[@nuruddinshah684]

Hmm. My head canon Corvette should be able to be at least punch up 1 level up of it own. On 1v1 vs frigate no maybe a 3v1 With the outcome should be 1 dead 1 heavy damage 1 "damage" (unknown how much)

[@stit987]

No matter the results, all the ships at the end of the battle are scrap witch is not worth fixing.

[@VultyreRust]

the verona could have avoided alot of damage by using better stratagies (turn and burn/spin to win) and could probably win against 9 max fighters with minimal damage

[@yurifechine5688]

more pls

[@Gxaps]

With significantly different piloting, one fighter can take on one corvette

[@LunarKolony]

👍

[@Mogodin]

Is that some kind of ai piloted ships or that all people piloting?

[@LunarKolony]

I flew them

[@Mogodin]

@@LunarKolony all 7 at once? I didn’t understand something I think