[1] Mark Papermaster, AMD

[@TechTechPotato]

The primary purpose of this interview was for a written article on AnandTech. I wasn't sure if the video was recording, so I was taking notes, hence the keyboard. As the primary purpose was a written article, Mark knew I'd be taking notes - learning to listen and convert into script is a key written media interviewing skill that video interviewers don't have to worry about! The video initially screwed up, and I didn't get separate audio channels for me and Mark - I managed to salvage the video to some degree, hence posting here. Trying to do these sorts of video interviews is still new to me, so I'm learning as I go. If the typing bothers you, the written version/transcript can be found over at AnandTech: www.anandtech.com/show/16176/amd-zen-3-an-anandtech-interview-with-cto-mark-papermaster

[@Razorlight0]

Pin this post to the top of the comments section maybe? Thanks for the vidoe Ian!

[@humbug1]

A video, the man himself, his own words on camera is FAR more important than written text, people don't spent their time reading walls of text, they listen to the spoken word while they are doing other things, why would you prioritize written text over the original spoken content? i have no interest in reading it i have other things that i can do while listening to it, this isn't 1997, people don't go on the internet to read text walls.

[@TechTechPotato]

@@humbug1 AT is my employer - they pay my bills, and I wouldn't have had the access to Mark without my position at AnandTech. Out of respect, they get first crack at any topic I want to cover. Also, Engineers in the industry read and prefer text. Easier to digest (or reference, or search) very complex topics by going through 5000 words rather than listening to a 50 minute video. The written word is always a critical element on the academic, scientific, and engineering side.

[@brazghost]

@@TechTechPotato very nice response lol.

[@humbug1]

@@TechTechPotato Couldn't you watch the video back and take notes then? You might find you can get more views if you put the content up in both text and video form, that is video people can actually listen to, while i accept your audience prefer text form there also a lot of people who aren't going to read that text, but they will sit and listen to a video.

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

The confidence of Papermaster is like an eagle in the sky circling for prey

[@lordofthecats6397]

No, more like an eagle that has prey in it's mouth already! (RIP Intel)

[@ragincaveman]

I didnt find the keyboard noises intrusive, I could hear Mark clearly and easily and understand the points he was making. I would not categorize this as potato audio. 5/7 potatoes for this one, would type comments while watching again

[@Gravstein]

Listen to Ian before watching this. He warned you in the start that he was typing for the AnandTech article. Recording this was not his main priority. Thank you for recording this Ian.

Nice one Ian, really appreciate the video and excellent questions! It's always great to see companies in stagnant monopoly mode get taught a lesson in innovation by the competition. Let's hope RDNA2 also causes a significant upset to that other company badly needing a lesson in pricing. If RDNA2 (/3...) scales well then Nvidia might be in even more trouble later. As a consumer, these are good times.

[@casperes0912]

Cheers, Ian! You're part of what makes Anandtech so great - and by part of I mean huge part of. Love all your work and it was nice to have a video of this. Been reading all prior interviews on Anandtech and was pleasantly surprised I could enjoy this one in more of a "podcast"-like format with a nice cup of coffee and no finger on the scroll-wheel

[@liaminwales]

Cool video, so happy computer tech is fun now. the audio is fine, sounds like you where taking notes but not distracting if anything im happy you where able to make a video as we hardly ever get to see interviews like this.

[@Thesuperhunter99]

Very interesting, thanks for this! It's so nice to hear people who know their stuff talk about so openly!

[@johnm2012]

Very interesting. Thanks for that, Ian. And thanks for the clip of Summer at the end!

[@humanbeing9079]

Excellent interview, can't wait for the Zen 3 deep dive come November 5th :)

[@churchseraphim1380]

Marks favorite word is Tremendous lol, he uses that word every other sentence. Great interview I don't know how I missed this b4. Mark and Lisa are both really great and look forward to more interviews in the future

[@korbensc7218]

Thanks for sharing that interview. Very interesting!

[@HickoryDickory86]

22:59-25:00 = Something Mark didn't mentioned is that AMD does have an ARM microarchitecture, K12, using ARM64 (ARMv8-A). From what I remember, Jim Keller helped to work on both K12 and Zen, which leads me to suspect that K12 may be a version of Zen built on ARM. Whether it is or not, AMD has an answer on reserve if the ARM ecosystem does become more prominent in the industry. I doubt they have entirely neglected K12, and at least a skeleton crew of engineers have likely been working on it this whole time.

[@FullyBuffered]

An interesting look behind the scenes, thanks for sharing Ian! 👍🏻

[@shmarvdogg69420]

I genuinely love all your videos.

[@BlahBleeBlahBlah]

This is great listening, thanks Ian! Mark loves a good chat, and is happy to go pretty deep too.

[@craighutchinson6856]

What a great video I'm at 9 minutes and 56 seconds I'm looking forward to listening to the rest of this thank you for making this available

[@Ivan-pr7ku]

3:54 -- The larger L3 pool of cache doesn't reduce the memory latency, it reduces the cache misses, which is a different metric in the memory hierarchy. One could say the larger cache reduces the impact of higher memory latency, as long as it contains the needed data, but it doesn't affect the direct access time to the system memory.

[@TechTechPotato]

That question wasn't about the L3. It was about the physical location of the off chip logic.

[@salmiakki5638]

Thanks! Really like your interviewing style, please don't change it for the yt crowd. Could you also record and post the interviews you'll do after the architecture days?

[@taidee]

Thank you for this video of the interview, the typing did not annoy me or interfere at all with the proceedings, I don’t know maybe because you warned us at the beginning.

[@MasterKoala777]

How to stay grounded: remember how Intel struck back with Core, after Athlon 64. 🙂 It’s nice to watch the actual interview, thanks. PS. Summer is so cute!

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

Yeah. With their compiler cheating.

[@sandwich2473]

Ooooh! Just the thing to listen to while I'm doing tedious work stuff.

[@Snotkoglen]

An interesting question is, how Smart Memory Access is restricted to only 5000 series CPUs, when the IO die is from the old 3000 series CPUs?

[@nhansgoofyvideos7581]

Thanks for the recording. Although I would recommend a quieter keyboard!

[@mumar100]

It sounds like AMD has teams working on the cores and others working on IF/IO-die, so maybe the rumoured Zen 3+ is Zen 3 cores with new IF + IO-die (7nm?) featuring DDR5 and PCIe 5

[@mumar100]

@@Android-ng1wn AM5 as socket for sure

[@OverlordActual]

I hope we can get a video of the architecture day thing that they do too. That would be nice.

[@SuperMatthew128]

Great interview Ian, as always!

[@ironmantooltime]

How is threadripper going to shape up on 3rd gen cores?

[@59768]

I wonder what the background photo cutout is intended to cover...

[@TechTechPotato]

A blank spot that I was in the process of changing but forgot to finish before I got to recording. Nothing under embargo, I promise.

[@RobBCactive]

I predict lower idle draw, particularly from the i/o die in the next product iteration ... despite the finessing of the question this time by invoking AM4 socket comparability. The answer tells me that the 13-20W idle power in desktop parts simply wasn't a priority, power under load was. There was no news of waste reduction.

[@TiberiuLupescu]

Hopefully Mark didn't hear you typing while he was talking.

[@TechTechPotato]

The primary purpose of this interview was for a written article on AnandTech. I wasn't sure if the video was recording, so I was taking notes, hence the keyboard. As the primary purpose was a written article, Mark knew I'd be taking notes - learning to listen and convert into script is a key written media interviewing skill that video interviewers don't have to worry about! The video initially screwed up, and I didn't get separate audio channels for me and Mark - I managed to salvage the video to some degree, hence posting here. Trying to do these sorts of video interviews is still new to me, so I'm learning as I go. If the typing bothers you, the written version/transcript can be found over at AnandTech: www.anandtech.com/show/16176/amd-zen-3-an-anandtech-interview-with-cto-mark-papermaster

[@divertiti]

@@TechTechPotato The new Google speech to text dictation app sounds very useful in this instance

[@TechTechPotato]

@@divertiti I've found that any of the AI-based audio recognition apps are really terrible when it comes to technical jargon. Ryzen = Rising, or semiconductors = sony conduits

[@ktcool4660]

@@TechTechPotato Is it possible use RTX audio for recorded audio?

[@firagabird]

@@ktcool4660 ooh, that's an interesting use case. Would be dealt useful if it works.

[@jimsinnovations2737]

wanna know how well it does RandomX thats the real stress test and stability test as well if u can run that for a couple hours your OC is 100% stable

[@dorinxtg]

Ian, I was wondering if you plan to write (or record a KZbin clip) about AMD & Xilinx rumors. Do you plan to?

[@TechTechPotato]

Unsure. I don't have much to add beyond what others have said. I don't have any insight into the specific dealings of what's going on, it would only be conjecture at best.

[@justdazr5950]

what's with the random static square added in to the background on the left side?

[@olegpetcov]

Hey Ian, to clear up the keyboard sounds, why don’t you run the audio for this video through RTX voice as an output? You can then try get (somehow) record that output and then re-splice it into the video. Just a rough idea though, which will take some effort....

[@TechTechPotato]

Already is.

[@zunriya]

what next after zen uarch ?

[@frankunderbush]

Yooooo, Yuri Gagarin t-shirt in the intro? Now I want one too!

[@TechTechPotato]

Aha someone noticed! Gold star for you! I purchased it in St. Petersburg a few years back.

[@thelongslowgoodbye]

I wonder when/if Ian will get a Model M keyboard?

[@icey35]

The answer to the question about when/if a ground-up redesign would happen is a little concerning. As big as a change as the core redesign for Zen3 is, it still feels like it falls in the category of iterative improvements, even if it is substantial. I worry that they may attempt to ride this architecture for 2-3 years past its sell-by date, with no killer successor product ready to take over - kind of like what happened after K8.

[@TechTechPotato]

More details to come.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

Did you get a date for Zen 3 Threadripper?

[@keybraker]

Papermaster seems as a genuine good guy

[@luke5957]

Can you move the mic closer to the keyboard, I couldn't hear it properly

[@TheHeadhunter85]

Great interview!! The Papermaster ;)

[@GabrielFoote]

Loving this content!

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

Did you ask was Zen 3 left on the standard 7nm so there is loads of capacity for RDNA 2 on 7nm EUV?

[@tommihommi1]

I can imagine that AMD was ready to put Zen 3 on a more advanced process, but the lack of competition means they can stay on the older process and still completely slaughter Intel in performance and performance per watt

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

@@tommihommi1 I don't think the capacity is there just yet on EUV. I would also say AMD is not ready to start relaxing yet, Rocket Lake will win back many titles (on 8 cores or less) and Alder Lake is looking to be very impressive (although still only up to 8-10 cores, I would think AMD 12 core beat it in a highly threaded program). It will be facing Zen 3+ (Warhol) at this point though which will be clocked slightly higher plus a few other tweaks.

[@AkilanKamarajan]

The design rules for the TSMC 7nm (used for Zen2) and the 7nm EUV are different. Thus moving between them would entail non trivial amount of work and it is likely that AMD decided to to go for non EUV 7nm atleast a year (likely 2yr) before launching the Zen3 products. We have to understand that the CPU roadmaps are planned several years in advance.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

@@AkilanKamarajan I agree, although if AMD wanted to they could have used EUV for Zen 3 as it's pretty much a full redesign, meaning they could have chosen to use an EUV route if that was the best option. I believe they didn't because of capacity limitation.

[@tommihommi1]

@@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt rocket lake is going to be a drastic increase in power consumption per core, I don't think it will be very competitive with Zen 3. There's not enough information on Alder Lake yet. Also, Alder Lake is going to compete with the next generation of AMD CPUs, not with Zen 3.

[@eekpanggang]

Remember Ian: no blue switch

[@steffeneilers8530]

Are your glasses a blue light filter?

[@TechTechPotato]

plus a small 5% zoom to reduce eye strain. Gunnars

[@jamerican347]

TechTechPotato 5% zoom in glasses. Never heard of that. Makes sense though.

[@zephyr7]

Can you start uploading to LBRY?

[@muffinmanclan]

Master of processors pulling your strings. Twisting your mind and smashing your IPC. Master! Master!

[@Disobeyedtoast]

What's in that corner that you had to edit over, huh? ;)

[@TechTechPotato]

Nothing under embargo, if that's what you're thinking :) I forgot to put something in the spot while I recorded.

[@WayStedYou]

Just be glad it was only MX blues and not something clickier

[@foltarz8469]

I loved the interview was very informative, although I would have like you to have touched on big little and is AMD going that way or not, as it stands here in Australia Ryzen was the leader in price and value and intel was the premium with the latest intel chips they are about the same price.

[@TechTechPotato]

Mark and Lisa have both said in the past they're committed to x86, no other ISAs. They don't have a small core to use. Plus bL (or it's proper name, heterogeneous processing, as bL is specifically for dual mode Arm) isn't really a great direction to go in for high perf compute. On AMD for price and value, on perf/$ AMD is still claiming a lead. $500 used to get you four cores, now gets you 12 Zen3 cores. If only car performance got that much better in the same span

[@firagabird]

@@TechTechPotato great insight. bL seems highly specific to Intel's situation with its inferior 10nm vs. TSMC 7/6/5nm, and their lack of MCM tech to make CPU chiplets.

[@RobBCactive]

@@firagabird I feel like a reasonable idea has been screwed up by the marketing imperatives for moahhhrrr cores and benchmark "win". They claim core parity 8+8 but have to clock the so called E-cores too high and the P-cores were hungry too. It's lead to AVX512 becoming an AMD desktop feature.

[@807800]

I have my tea ready.

[@wijoys9217]

i prefer topre keyboard switches over cherry mx, as it sounds more low tone and pleasant

[@xXDeltaXxwhotookit]

I must know what is in the background . . . :-p Also, Summer's wiggle :D

[@laurelsporter]

OK, but what kind of switches are you typing on? Sounds like a Cherry type clicky. Next time, you should get a new Model F.

[@TechTechPotato]

MX Blues. It's an old Rosewill keyboard I've had for years :)

[@zelkuta]

Real shame about the audio, I find it so distracting, I understand tho, recording software can be a real bitch and always seems to run perfectly fine till the exact moment when you need it most. Shit happens, still an interesting interview. Maybe a denoise algo could deal with the backround typing?

[@atul1991ful]

if only you interviewed jensen huang first, you could've gotten a gpu that could do rtx voice and cut out the keyboard noises. still its good to have a video of the interview.

[@brazghost]

*click click click* - keyboard noise, 2020

[@melangkoh4184]

well hes not typing with 2 fingers

[@FakeGordonMahUng]

Need to take bets on switches and then have Ian tell is what he's using. I think they're reds.

[@TechTechPotato]

Blues

[@m_sedziwoj]

This noise canceller filter/software is garbage, better leave them in, because turn on/off make them ore noticeable. And maybe record your mic and income audio in 2 separate streams, so you can post process and remove one which is not needed (click click ;) ) But is great interview, a lot new hints about Zen3 and AMD plans, gj

[@TechTechPotato]

That was the plan, to record two audio streams. As he started answering the first question, I noticed it wasn't picking up, so I was frantically trying to solve it. The first question got dropped in the end as there was no audio at all. The rest at least has something. Regarding my microphone. My noise floor is high (small office, testing PCs). Trying to find a way to get around it - RTX voice doesn't do all that well

[@m_sedziwoj]

@@TechTechPotato I copy from edit, because I at most end watching: "But is great interview, a lot new hints about Zen3 and AMD plans, gj" Yeah, RTX voice make it worst, because it make silence, and when you start talking all back, and human brain can ignore static noise, but make more louder than in reality if noise show up. Did you try mic from headset, some catching less noise, so for this type of interview it may help. anyway, maybe audio is not great, but content and questions are great, so is very informing.

[@m_sedziwoj]

@@TechTechPotato PS what you hide behind this static image with Ryzen and Nvidia GPU ;)

[@larryfleming7295]

WTF KEYBOARD CLICKING?!!!?

[@TechTechPotato]

Check the pinned comment

[@big.atom37]

In your question about new markets you forgot to raise a very important question about AMD plans for the bike market. Shame on you, Ian.

[@TechTechPotato]

heh I completely forgot about the bike. They don't ship to the UK at any rate. If they did an indoor exercise bike, perhaps. That's more my thing.

[@juliuss2056]

Clicky switches

[@massacre072885]

I'm only part-way through, but great interview so far! Please mute your mic when you're typing. I found it extremely distracting while Mark was talking.

[@TechTechPotato]

The primary purpose of this interview was for a written article on AnandTech. I wasn't sure if the video was recording, so I was taking notes. I managed to salvage the video, audio notwithstanding. Trying to do these sorts of video/written interviews is still new to me, so I'm learning as I go. If the typing bothers you, the written version/transcript can be found over at AnandTech: www.anandtech.com/show/16176/amd-zen-3-an-anandtech-interview-with-cto-mark-papermaster

[@massacre072885]

@@TechTechPotato Excellent, I'll definitely check that out. Thanks!

[@DenGuleBalje]

Why you should never buy Cherry MX Blues - the video

[@jamesprine8565]

Great video typing in the background is no big deal at least to me it's not.

[@artem4002]

paper launch master 😂😂

[@NaumRusomarov]

hype.

[@TankParts]

updoot

[@NicolasACHARD]

The typing noise is so annoying ... can't focus on the interview

[@TechTechPotato]

Read the interview. Mentioned in the first 15 seconds. Pinned comment explains all.

[@NicolasACHARD]

Ok fine, rtx voice could be of great help here 😉

[@1armbiker]

Say Dr. Cutress, what precious thing have you got hiding behind that pasted image of a 3080? 🤔

[@TechTechPotato]

Who said it was a 3080? :)

[@1armbiker]

@@TechTechPotato now you’re just avoiding the question. 😛

[@TheBoltcranck]

good 🐱‍💻

[@GNARGNARHEAD]

typing's not bad, glad you're not running blues :P

[@TechTechPotato]

These are MX Blues. About 8 years old, but still blues :)

[@JBG84]

The elephant in the room question NOT asked: "The original roadmap for Zen 3 was to be manufactured 7nm+ (EUV)..."

[@TechTechPotato]

They've answered that multiple times already. The 7+ was only supposed to indicate an optimized 7nm, but because others assume + means new node completely, and also TSMC did some name adjustment, it was only supposed to be the latest method update on N7.

[@TechTechPotato]

Note if they were designing the chiplet on EUV, they'd have been using a completely different PDK from 2-3 years ago.

[@Vextime77]

heard of NVIDIA voice ;\

[@pewpew518]

that guy is def a boomer

[@attq3980]

Mute your typing when recording voice please.

[@rednammoc]

Watch the first part of the video, and read the comments before commenting please.

[@williamblake7386]

i see no answer for the most important question(s). market share. production volumes. who cares about your ipc if you are not able to fill more than 1/10 of cpu market. "amd is small", i know. but why is it forever? renoir, for example, is the best mobile chip/platform. but i can not buy it, because there are no laptops with it. so, dr su dr ian and not a dr mark, tell me why and when.

[@williamblake7386]

@@sofiadraneclemente9755 do you remember the discovery that there is no 2070 or 2080 in renoir laptops planned? several months prior amd presented the new mobile cpu lineup. these several months, customers were waiting for announcements or sales of suitable laptops, but it turned out that amd just does not give a crap at their expectations. so, the question is not about how hard manufacturer's life is but can you please be more customer friendly? tell us the situation and what to expect. i dont care how much dr su are proud of something, i wanna know, will i see the product on my shelves. and this is the main question. in amd case-always been.

[@Unknown-jl7mg]

i rather listen than read lazy af XDDDD

[@kilner79]

i hioe the quality of there cpu's is better than that mic hes using

[@naanallamuthu5038]

Pls avoid background typing in the future videos which is really irritating.

[@TechTechPotato]

pls read the description/first comment and the first 15 seconds of the video, otherwise it's really irritating.

[@earthtaurus5515]

Just ignore them Ian, some people don't either read or listen at all lol. Otherwise it'll bug you to no end.

[@humbug1]

That constant typing is annoying, its not just during one question, its every question, a potentially important interview somewhat ruined, when you're on open mic your typing in transmitted, everyone knows this. Its really annoying where you're talking to friends and that one guy on open mic is constantly typing, you're that guy, next time take more care, get a proper headset.

[@TechTechPotato]

...did you not listen to the first bit of the video or read the pinned comment

[@channel20122012]

Please stop that typing while you are doing an interview. It is so disrespectful. 😐

[@TechTechPotato]

The primary purpose of this interview was for a written article on AnandTech. I wasn't sure if the video was recording, so I was taking notes. I managed to salvage the video, audio notwithstanding. www.anandtech.com/show/16176/amd-zen-3-an-anandtech-interview-with-cto-mark-papermaster