1 MOA accuracy with Pedersoli Rolling Block 45/70 rifle

[@pillmeup]

I am an american who owns an orignal 1884 trapdoor springfield, I love your channel and really appreciate hearing your load data on your cartridges. Greetings from North Carolina!

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

if i may.. if you were to change the oil in your lube from motor oil to olive oil..keep everything else the same you should see a improvement..here in america we had the same problem and a few yrs ago after lots of tests we found that pertolium based lubes form hardfowling when fired with black powder..the oilive /beeswax/ tallow does not and wiping is much less.. we only wipe once every 5 shots..we also found that to compress the pwr..and seat the bullet in seperate steps improves groups ..

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

i have not tried the fully synthetic ..but our findings showed that any petroilum based oil reacted with black pwr and formed hard fouling..thus we only used natural oil..oliveoil (or sweet oil as it was called in the 1700's)..we removed all traces of modern oil from bore..and seasoned it with olive..we also made our lubes from it..we quickly noticed we were able o shoot many shots with out having to wipe the bore..usually a whole match (20+ shots)..the fouling remaind soft and wiped easyly

[@bigbilllasalle]

I would rest the forend rather than the barrel on the rest. Resting the barrel changes the barrel harmonics (vibrations).

[@jacknifedbl]

im impressed not many ppl know about the rounds needing to seat properly against the grooves and lead build up removal to get a consistent grouping

[@andrewkazen9323]

Very cool! You're actually shooting slightly better than 1 MOA. 1 minute of angle is 26.6mm (a little over an inch) at 100 yards, and just over 29mm at 100 meters.

[@JeffandLeslie]

I use bees wax, olive oil and vegetable shortening (Crisco) for my bullet lube and shooting black powder cartridge silhouettes, I can get through a round of 5 shots at the targets without swabbing the bore. I do use a blow tube to keep the fouling soft Even though it goes against a lot of what you read on the internet, I also use 3F in my 45-70 and compress the load slightly using 62gr weight of powder. Also, I seat my bullets touching the rifling. 1MOA is doable out to 500M. (~6" at 500).

[@grendelgrendelsson5493]

I enjoy your videos very much and watch them over and over. That is a good group.

[@buckaroobonsi555]

You English is fantastic!! I never had any problem understanding you at all. Great job, great shooting and thanks for all the details!

[@steelgila]

Great tips on shooting and cleaning a black powder rifle. Very good commercial grade video! The Pedersoli is such a beautiful gun and I was intrigued to see the breach block move in tandem with the hammer after you re-cocked after each shot. I thought those two components had to be worked independently.

[@ScoutSniper3124]

The pressure of the round tends to 'whip' the barrel. I would suggest placing your bag so it rests on the forearm instead. Beautiful rifle by the way. SSG. U.S. Army (Medically Retired) Infantry / Sniper / SOF Intel (SOT-A), multiple tours

[@PBJelks1]

Fabulous shooting!

[@markstambaugh3273]

Crisco brand vegetable shorting is one of the best lubes for black powder. You can shoot long strings without cleaning. Before you load the cartridge in the chamber role the nose of the bullet across the surface of a tub of Crisco so that the entire surface of the bullet has a thin film of Crisco on it. Obviously the Crisco can't be used for human consumption after that. Have you tried the poly wads? hey dropped my group size considerably. unless Lyman changed their Postell mould it can distort the grease rings when you open the mould. The handles are offset and it causes the mold blocks not to open together and the rings bend as they are soft. Great to see black powder shooting alive and kicking in Hungary. Nice Video.

[@kevingambrell]

HI I dont know if this helps but when I was shooting 45-70 from a Pedersoli Sharps I found the best bullet was a paper patched using good quality writing paper and spit to wrap the patch round the bullet. Once the patch had dried I ran the bullet through a sizing die and then greased using Tallow and Bee's wax. My bore seemed to stay clean shot to shot over 10 to 15 rounds. After the 15 the most I had was powder fouling. At 200 yards the groups were all with in 40 to 45mm. and this I was more than happy with . Brilliant video by the way, thank you

[@steelgila]

Great mention! No one ever brings up the subject of paper patching. It must go a long way toward fine tuning your bullet-to-bore clearances I imagine?

[@VRJensen1]

Great Video! and Excellent instructions on how to shoot accurately. You're Great, Thanks Much.

[@Mr683465]

very nice looking rifle. I just found your channel and so for I have been enjoying your videos.

[@FreeWombling]

Nice rifle and nice shooting!

[@Win94ae]

Great rifle, and great shooting!

[@3ducs]

Just bought a Pedersoli Rolling Block off of GunBroker this evening. It has a half octagon 28" barrel, and is equipped with scope mounting blocks. I will be mounting a Lyman 5A scope with the same rings as yours. The Lyman is the same as the Winchester A5. Sadly my new rifle doesn't have the double set triggers. Edited 3-11-22: The trigger, though not a set unit, is quite good, about 3-4 pounds with no creep, very crisp.

[@BLACKIETHOMAS]

also if you wipe the bore with a lubd patch before you begin ..the first shot will fall in the same group as the following shots..i beleve this has the effect of fouling the bore before the first shot..i have read accouts of the buffalo hunters of the 1800's greasing the bore before they began to shoot a set...i hope this help you in you shooting..safe journeys

[@lmomechtech7709]

Very nice presentation...as always! Really like your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@micheilduncan3234]

Great Video, very informative!

[@ratscoot]

Shot a group like that this weekend with my Uberti 1876 lever action 45-60 using Trail boss.

[@maddkraut03]

you do a great job, and your Englsh is great, better than my Magyar.

[@ferngucker]

Du you think it is a good idea to rest the rifle barrel so near to the muzzle? I prefer resting a rifle near its center of gravity below the forend to allow the barrel swing freely. Or is this not important with black powder shooting?

[@johnchambers2996]

In using long bullets with the Pedersoli rolling block you have to watch the overall cartridge length because the hammer doesn't drop down lower than the chamber invert and you can't load cartridges over the hammer if they're too long.

[@kiekert2007]

excellent presentation

[@crosstimbers2]

A Robert Hart or similar rest will greatly accurize all of your ammo and all of your rifles like magic. I can highly recommend one because it will save your more than the cost of the rest in ammo and component savings. You will be able to find excellent loads much more quickly.

[@steelgila]

4:52 Okay my mistaken observation , it appears you are cocking hammer and breach block separately.

[@vajake1]

That was an excellent video! Thank you very much for posting it!

[@michaelgilbreath7696]

I use the same bullet in my sharps, but size it .459 and 60 grs. black powder. I get MOA at 100 yards if I wipe the bore every 5 rounds.

[@buckshotchavez]

would you please post a video on the Big 50/90 long range Sharps.

[@jamesdavies8517]

I tried one of these rifles a few days ago and I found them quite short in the stock, especially if you’re shooting prone. The scope is quite close to your eye and I think you might be aware of it being close and so your follow through is being affected - I think you might be (rightly) worried about the scope poking you in the eye. I would put something on the butt pad to temporarily lengthen the stock so the recoil is taken up more by your shoulder, I think this may help your shooting/groups as your follow through will be better and your head will have less movement up and away after the shot.

[@elliottatwell1155]

This is definitely a 1/2 MOA gun with smokeless loads, unlike Uberti, Pedersoli is putting out stuff closer to the tolerances of Shiloh and C Sharps at a fraction of the price.

[@SaguaroMike1]

If you would use a good black powder lubricant the rifle does not need to be cleaned after each shot. The engine oil as a lubricant component is a bad idea becuse it increases the residue inside of the barrel. Try to use vegetable oil or good commercial lube like SPG.

[@deletdis6173]

Best channel on KZbin

[@ZenSpider40]

I love the cartoons in the background at the end of the video :)

[@611_hornet5]

Very cool rifle

[@JeffandLeslie]

by the way, nice shooting. I like your videos.

[@carlschmidt7522]

I bought a Navy Arms reproduction rolling block in 1978. It came through barreled for 444 Marlin instead of 45-70 as ordered. I made do since it took so long to arrive. I called Val Forget after a fellow asked me how strong the Navy Arms repros were as he was going fishing in Alaska and wanted protection from bears. Mr. Forget told me he designed the action and specified the materials so the gun would be as strong as a Ruger #1. I won't repeat the proof test he put it through. It was somewhat hair raising. I believe those Navy Arms Rolling Blocks were made by Uberti and the barrels finished in the US. I have been wondering how strong the current run of reproductions are. The parts are interchangeable. I would never be so foolish as to load a 45-70 up to Ruger #1 pressures. My shoulder wouldn't take it and why risk damage. I am curious however if you know since you have been to the Pedersoli factory. The current manufacturer.

[@bigdaz3903]

great video thanks for the advice.

[@lmomechtech7709]

I would have to say that your grouping is excellent and even more so with the distractions next to you and the snow covered table, etc. I would let you shoot for me any day and there would always be meat on the table...Thanks!

[@michaelallendorfer5173]

I just bought the pedersoli long range creed moor rifle in 45-70. This rear vernier sight it came with is pretty crude. Target sights are great for the front. Am I reading this vernier sight like a vernier caliper? It reads from zero to 5. The number one being center of the bore, maybe a little higher. Question really? If I sight this in at 100yds, Mark my zero on the rear sight. Is the next lines and numbers in what measurement? Moa? Kinda lost.

[@Haris4rings]

Good job, hoping you review some BP old guns from europe: dreyse rifle chesepot, sniders, mausers, ect.

[@Gunsforfreedom]

Right on the money.

[@mb1968ca]

Great video!!!

[@thecrow1280]

How did the cold effect your powder and ultimately your shot groups? Great video by the way.

[@SOFU78]

If your group is 28,1 mm at 100 meters it is actually just under 1 MOA (0,97), as 1 MOA at 100 meters is 29,1mm. Impressive shooting, in any case.

[@peteraugust5295]

actually one MOA is 1.047 Inces at 100 Meters or 26.5mm

[@gregkerr725]

I was always told not to rest the barrel on the shooting rest, but rather to rest the forend on the bag. Have you found that this is not necessary and that resting the end of the barrel on the bag doesn't affect negatively affect your accuracy?

[@capandball]

Greg, resting the barrel on the bag surely effects the vibrations of the barrel... but I shoot more accurately like this, I can't tell you why.

[@gregkerr725]

I can't argue with that, nor your accuracy! What works for someone...just works! I enjoy your videos...thank you.

[@DoctyrEvil]

+Greg Kerr In general I think you are right. It may be that in this case his barrel is positively affected by the contact. A free floating barrel isn't a guarantee of accuracy, and target shooters often place shims between the barrel and the for-end to control or modify barrel vibrations. It's like pinching a plucked string. It changes the frequency and modes of vibration. He could try shimming the barrel (paper, leather and cloth all work as well) and seeing if that helps.

[@schofield0]

hi good stuff ,i shoot this quite a bit , its only a thought but i think if your front rest was closer to the wooden hand grip or the wooden hand grip on the rest you would get more better results. the front portion of your barrel i think is too far forward on the rest,try the shots with the wooden hand grip placed on the rest . let me know how you find it .keep up the good work

[@gerhardbiebl9778]

Hello, i've been watching your videos with interest for some time now. Since i consider spending my old age in Hungary (i have currently started learning the language a bit) i would like to know if there is a source of documents considering hunting and gun laws in Hungary, in English or German language. Thank you for the interesting stuff you make !

[@HiLuxInc]

Is that a Winchester A5 scope on a set of reproduction Unertl mounts?

[@mursau]

pas mal un beau groupement j'aimerais bien en faire autant avec mon sharp 1874

[@RedRider45]

Good shooting sir. If I had a .45-70 that’s how I’d set it up.

[@frankyeyna9500]

Please print the information about the bullet ? Make ?_______ O.D.?______ weight?______ I am Vet and hearing terrible . Thanks Great shooting .

[@robertrobert7924]

It is the most accurate single shot rifle I own.

[@deletdis6173]

You should do one of those funky shooting positions for an April Fools video. XD

[@luckychurchwell947]

EXCELLENT

[@Alan-bw2zg]

I believe this cartridge called for paper patch bullets.

[@Roberto29071976]

Caro capandball, scusami tanto, saro' io a non aver mai sparato con un rolling block, ma come fai a pretendere una precisione sul MOA con un teleobiettivo che si muove ad ogni sparo?

[@JRS2791]

Im interested in the Rolling Block in 45-70 caliber with a 34 inch barrel. Searching for used Rolling Blocks is easy if you want a 30 inch barrel. Covid has slowed imports from Italian Reproduction Companies into U.S. , so now the few used 34 inch are almost import new (Bodine) prices. Very few used 34's have full octagon barrels. Buffalo Rifle/Full Octagon, that's just how its done.

[@marcosduran1443]

thats a pretty rifle!😃

[@Haris4rings]

you read something while talking?

[@pajmataj8606]

Várjà jòl èrtem, hogy engedèly nélkül tartható?

[@capandball]

Nem igazán. Engedélyköteles vadászfegyver.

[@GpunktHartman]

i use MAUSER 71 ...

[@deletdis6173]

4:00 RIP cleaning rod :'(

[@sjohn3969]

Please once in life shoot centre please

[@markdodds1595]

WOW

[@gtd-sq2pj]

Try resting the rifle on the forearm. You'll get better results.

[@Kavics78]

4:00-nal nem irigyeltelek!

[@aceace7573]

Ouch, my eye, my eye

[@lovshooting]

Sorry but no. Wear safety glasses. You are going to lose an eye with that thin scope coming back to your eyes. Safety first. Sorry to call you on it. But I must

[@til_dovre_faller6572]

I dont fully understand how you belive your gonna have acuraccy when you put snow in the barrel

[@ИгорьСатиев]

Счастливчик.

[@carrichard]

This may help you, remove your hat with the lid which hits the scoop, and distracts your shot. As you are anticipating the hit, and in turn, you blink. Also, where are your safety glasses !!!

[@asherdog9248]

Keep stuff out of you mouth while shooting. Patches, food and drink. Wash you hands, face and mouth before eating. The same applies to bullet casting and reloading. Lead styphanate is toxic.

[@philroe2363]

Um . . . not too impressed with the scope design . . . what's with the sliding back and forth?? I would bet a lot of money that will open your group significantly. The scope and the rifle need to be MARRIED to one-another for the best grouping. That rifle should be capable of 1/2 MOA or even smaller . . .

[@erik_dk842]

It's what they did back in the day, when the scopes couldn't handle the recoil.

[@luizandre6174]

Tem que somar as duas penas do Lula !

[@stephenembrey883]

Very nice shooting

[@stephenembrey883]

I wonder if the rifle will shoot nicely with normal powered loads as opposed to these baby loads you are using?