10 Things I HATE About My Ineos Grenadier

Today I talk about the 10 things that I do not like about my 2024 Ineos Grenadier!
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[@deanfisher1753]

Ineos couldn't offer the diesel in America as BMW would not guaranty the emissions for 10 years and that was a non-negotiable problem for Ineos. I could probably look over all those issues you brought up, but my biggest challenge with this is Ineos itself, they just don't have the service, parts, and engineering support yet needed for a long term proposition. They have a few problems and haven't been able to effectively solve them yet. They are growing and getting there, but when I buy I want to keep this car for the long term and need Ineos to be a little more robust before plunking that kind of $$ down on this truck.

[@ernestbecker5213]

I wrenched on my Grenadier putting the lift springs on with 35s. After my previous 7 Toyotas, (3 Landcruisers I still have), this thing is way more robust underneath than any of my Yotas. For example, the shock bolt will be a 17mm on Toyota, but 24mm on Grenadier. Cost comparison with what you can see, sure the Grenadier is not quite there, but it is what you can't see that makes this SUV worth every penny. Only a 4wd enthusiast who has broken stuff offroad will identify, understand , and appreciate these subtle differences.

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Totally agree. I had a chance to drive a trial series (pre-production) a couple years ago and when I crawled UNDERNEATH I was like “yup, this is happening.” The shiny bits and build quality are fantastic - the real game is what you can’t see. The first makes you want to go on a date - the second wants to make you put a ring on it.

[@mini2nut67]

The Grenadier uses 3/4 or 1 ton pickup truck drivetrain components. It makes the Wrangler and Bronco driveline look wimpy. It’s built like a brick sheet house underneath. The Grenadier was built for a 25 year life span.

[@kinanromman5197]

Most on point comment I’ve seen. I love toyota. But the guts of this thing are next level.

[@Pnw-nick]

You are REALLY nit picking in this video. For a first year company this is an amazing build are a really cool rig.

[@pj4433]

Click bait,. Just whining for clicks

[@Pnw-nick]

@@pj4433 yep. Pathetic.

[@keeganmcgilacuddy472]

Thanks Ben, strongly agree about the price. Pulled the pin on a 2024 Land Cruiser Land Cruiser. Wanted the Grenadier but too much money for the build I wanted. I love yours, that is the best color in my opinion.

[@anthonyesiemokhai1603]

That pun blew up

[@panaforce]

1) It’s very heavy, small fuel tank, gas guzzler, not much range. 2) should’ve had a traditional Speedo/RPM/heat/fuel cluster panel. 3) BMW gear shifter looks not right for an SUV. 4) Headlight washers would be better at its price. 5) Rear seats don’t fold flat. 6) Tail lights could’ve been double or better looking. 7) Steering wheel design is ugly. What sucks about this vehicle is that it started with a traditional no frills 4x4 rig concept BUT ended up with so many unconventional and funky design elements and some shortcomings like smaller fuel tank etc. Some things that need getting used to and some could be upgraded. Still a very attractive purpose built vehicle for off-road enthusiasts, which might compel other automakers to compete in this forgotten segment.

[@MJ-sg8ov]

New owner here. You absolutely need to tint the safari windows - first sunny drive and the tint shop got a call. Ideally from the factory you'd be given pop-in/out covers, or they'd already come tinted with the privacy/tint package. The lack of a grab handle on the driver's side is a nuisance, particularly with the rock rails, which I have as well - still learning the most efficient way of getting in. The one bit of tech that I'd trade the park distance sensors/speed limit nonsense/lane departure warnings, etc., for is an LCD rear mirror and front parking camera. When they went with a split rear door visibility went out the window, and that front bumper juts out quite a bit from the edge of the hood. It's all good though, and you nailed it - it's more of a stripped-down g-wagon then an overpriced Jeep.

[@picodoc8001]

In your opinion, are the safari windows worth the cost? What is like driving when fully removed?

[@MJ-sg8ov]

@@picodoc8001 I haven’t driven with them removed. I sort of think given their angle that that’s best suited for slower off road excursions, which I haven’t been yet. Are they worth it? I honestly don’t think you’d miss them unless having a sunroof in a car is a big deal for you. I will point out one thing that most modern cars - given the sleek rake of typical windshields - have sunroofs where the leading edge is either right on or close to the line of the driver’s head, meaning that you typically have to really look up and over to get the open view. In the IG, the open panels are in full view and you can easily look up while keeping your head forward to see sky, and it’s a very cool view. Of course this is the same reason why driving into the sun results in quite a bit of heat transmission on your face! When I configured mine I knew I definitely wanted them, so the cost didn’t really factor. Hope that helps.

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

@@picodoc8001just keep in mind that they are unusable if you go with a full rack - and the cabin gets hotter - and you’ve got the UV exposure (just finished my Moh’s surgery a couple months ago). And some extra wind noise. Super cool, but there are some tradeoffs. I skipped them just because of the skin cancer thing - but love the look. And if you’re mounting a gun turret on the roof, essential, right? Also ask yourself if you really NEED the raised air intake - if you’re not someplace where you’re eating dust, just extra wind noise, but everyone is doing it for “the look.” Last thing and then I’ll shut up - dealer installed rock sliders. I would go side runner unless you’re rock crawling, OR go with a better after-market option. Blacksheep Innovations makes one with removable steps. Great protection when you need it, but easy in/out for daily. Not a promo - just an owner’s opinion. Just please, please please make sure you get the diff locks and aux power. You will be kicking yourself if you don’t. Everything else, just whatever floats your boat.

[@MJ-sg8ov]

@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc Good advice. I think the gun turret makes a strong but not impenetrable case for the safari windows but an absolute must are the diff locks and aux power.

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

@@MJ-sg8ovyeah, if you’re going gun turret, then OBVIOUSLY go with the safari windows, but remember to apply sunscreen with a high UPF rating and preferably one that doesn’t clog your pores. There’s really nothing worse than showing up at the mercenary and arms dealer convention with bad skin.

[@jameskoskinen6763]

I think 70K is a pretty good deal considering the cost of old used defender 110. It's pretty much on par with a modern Toyota Tacoma price-wise. Not bad

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

It is basically a W463 G Wagon, with far better steering , suspension and engine . I sold my 2018 G wagon diesel for one, best thing I’ve done in years , oh and it comes with a 5 year warranty .I’m getting 26mpg (imperial gallon) I struggled to get 21mpg out the 3.0 diesel G wagon , they’ve tuned the engine to perfection. Finally I’ve put black plastic caps over the spot lights , way more appealing to me now from the front elevation . Wait till the fusilier comes out in 2026 that really is a G wagon lookalike . Guess what? That’s built in the magna factory in Austria alongside the G wagon!!

[@omardevonlittle3817]

Overpriced status symbols for a particular type of person

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

@@omardevonlittle3817 over priced 😂😂😂😂 are you having a laugh . Take a look at the electric car rip off prices , errr G wagon are telephone numbers and are most defiantly now built or a particular type of person !

[@nrxhavoc]

trash

[@nrxhavoc]

owning one of these screams "I'm a douche bag"

[@craignewcombe8614]

For the price, this vehicle could use a few additional features. A heated steering wheel and push-button start, for instance, would be welcome additions. I was also disappointed that the backup camera doesn’t utilize the full screen. While I appreciate the focus on build quality and off-road capability, it falls short on some basic creature comforts that are standard in much less expensive vehicles.

[@smarticus6384]

What about the speed limit nanny alert that constantly Nags the driver?

[@BenHardyCars]

You can turn it off

[@ahmedalmulla9402]

I bought mine, Sila green, Been driving it for a month now. Ordered Eibach springs, and agile offroad wheels and 35 inch toyo tyres in addition to Blacksheep side carriers. The only annoying thing for me so far is the position of my left leg. there is a bump that is annoying

[@jesmor3]

What lift lets you tuck in 35s? Do they rub?

[@gobroncogo22]

I have always wanted to do a video about my Bronco like this but instead of saying things I hate it would be what I would’ve done if I had to reorder it. It always feels like the things hated are nit pick things. Very interesting on some of the things you said though.

[@phillipjones4743]

That blue color is stunning. Labor for dealer-installed options should not be an upcharge, larger tires should be an option, and the receiver hitch should be standard.

[@atomicorang]

Awesome Gwagon like truck. Thanks for sharing ❤

[@oldcargeezer]

This is why Land Rover made the new Defender the way it is. People complain that it's "not a Defender" but Land Rover knew what they were doing. The Grenadier is a traditional live axle 4x4 like the old Defender. But all l hear is people whingeing about the steering, the noise levels, the ride, how difficult the manual diff locks are to use, and more. Those people need to buy a new Defender, and leave the Grenadier for people who want a proper working 4x4.

[@ront2857]

Hopefully the aftermarket jumps in and addresses some of your points like the fog lights. I wonder if one can forgo some of the dealer installed options when ordering then and purchase them as parts later and install them on your own, after you pick up your order. If not, that would be my #11 thing that INEOS needs to correct…

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Yes you can totally do that - and there are a number of aftermarket off-road specialists building some really cool stuff. What you should NOT do is skip the aux power and diff locks - basically most other stuff you could grab after-market and get equal or better quality. The hitch thing, as Ben pointed out, is a bit of a pain if you don’t do it with your initial configuration- I think this is some European regulatory nonsense. They gave me some garbage about the receiver serial number matching the VIN, blah blah. I got it sorted. But the aux power and diff locks - just don’t skip those. Everything else, knock yourself out and have fun. I do wish Ineos were more forthcoming with the manufacturers and part numbers for the dealer installed accessories- it’s impossible to get them to share that. Just this week they said they were unable to tell me the make and model for the LED light bar (not that they couldn’t, but that they WOULDN’T). So I end up having to tweak and fiddle with stuff. It might have been easier just to deal with it on my own, instead of buying one through them.

[@dantimber]

I like it but the air conditioning would be an issue in the south. I'd buy it in white only. And you didn't mention it but it's a heavy vehicle compared to a Bronco or Wrangler. That's a penalty off-road.

[@Milner_THX]

I took a Quartermaster Grenadier (LWB Pickup) out for a test drive at Goodwood Festival of Speed in the UK yesterday and was mighty impressed with it, I too asked the Ineos rep about a missing drivers side (RHD) grab handle?, He said the steering wheel is your grab handle - Incidentally the screen pillars are drilled for both LHD & RHD grab handles, just order a european near side grab handle and install it yourself Check out The Alu-Cab Silenus Roof Conversion for the Ineos Grenadier :)

[@isaacsdanny]

How does the steering feel? I’ve heard it’s extremely vague, especially at highway speeds.

[@Shivnandak]

Mine is gets more stable the faster i go. But thats my personal experience with the Bridgestone tires, K02’s may be different. It is so stable at higher speed that i cannot actually mention how fast i’ve driven 😂. But lets just say that i don’t think there is a speed limiter..

[@AquaMarine1000]

Check the price on a replacement key? It will burn a hole in your pocket... and an additional wheel is also a hot item.

[@randyking1715]

Ben, I do like the vehicle and have looked at purchasing one. However, with limited dealers have not made that purchase because of the long distance to my closest dealership. Would benefit the company to establish strategic service relationships.

[@JohnDayani]

Thanks for the content Ben, always. I'm not sure Ineos is looking for the price sensitive buyer, which nullifies a few of your points. This is more of a "look what I can afford" vehicle and not a budget buy. Keep publishing!

[@jakes5530]

I think youre right. This is kinda a play thing for the ultra rich, not a logical daily driver.

[@Mr14041985]

People ALWAYS say the diesel would sell like hot bread, other than the commercial sector Americans don’t like diesel cars, they don’t sell. Colorado diesel don’t sell, Volkswagen diesels don’t sell, Nissan Tita don’t sell No diesel car in America sells other than heavy duty commercial vehicles STOP ASKING for shit you wouldn’t even considered

[@BenHardyCars]

They did sell and people love them, except for the Titan.

[@andm6847]

I had a diesel VW and loved it. It was even a manual. I would love a diesel jeep, 4runner or the grenadier. But I also would like a plug in hybrid wrangler so maybe I’m weird.

[@Afriqueleblanq]

Merrikuns must be rock dumb then. Diesel is so much more economical and gives more power.

[@KenMcCune-wb3jp]

It's still a good suv it gets you where you need to go

[@Drg24800]

You should do Wagoneer L vs Suburban/Yukon XL vs Expedition Max. IIHS just did safety tests with them and the newcomer Wagoneer came up on top!

[@042452]

Agree about the Diesel

[@bhd812]

Your shirt reminds me of the carpet you would see in a bowling alley that has not been remodeled since the 90's.

[@WillaHerrera]

Volkswagen can help them get the diesel emissions worked out.

[@BenHardyCars]

Lol

[@mini2nut67]

I find the Grenadier is an extremely well built truck for a brand new company. The door thud when closing it has few rivals. You should see some of fit and finish coming out of the Tesla Cybertruck plant. They have been assembling cars for 12 years.

[@AutoEnthusiastJC]

My 2017 Frontier has a grab handle in driver’s A-pillar, but the same body 2020 Frontier only has it on the passenger side. The new body frontier is the same. No clue why they got rid of it. 4:35

[@davidfindeisen4723]

I can’t wait to see the one year of having it review as it’s a brand new company… Let’s see : an English car company with a German engine …axles made in Italy… and produced in France! Gee… what could possibly go wrong lol! Especially in a day and time where you cannot get parts, chips etc. and you have four countries you need to gather parts from?…we will have your ineos back from service in six months Mr. Hardy ! ( hope they have free loaners and @ that price one would expect so ).

[@blakemarchand6650]

I agree great video, the cicada noise would piss me off but you’re right that the grenadier is a stripped down G-wagon which is why it’s so cool. And the Wrangler 392 is kinda like a red neck G-wagon haha

[@Afriqueleblanq]

Wranglers, nor other Jeeps, are allowed on certain Safaris in South Africa 🇿🇦. Their infamous unreliability could lead to fatalities. Seriously.

[@blakemarchand6650]

@@Afriqueleblanq this is a completely biased outlook from a trigger Toyota owner every time Toyota people open their mouth they lose credibility and make other Toyota enthusiast look weak

[@DarthChiropractus]

Ineos is one of the best “first year” vehicles ever made. These 10 things are extremely nit-picking but content is content

[@jakes5530]

0-60 in 9 seconds according to Edmunds. Does it feel that slow? This might be the slowest vehicle for $80k+ outside of the Toyota Mirai hydrogen car.

[@BenHardyCars]

It doesn’t feel slow

[@GreyCrowe]

I'm always wary of 1st Gen anything. I appreciate pioneers like yourself. This being a multi billionaire's FU passion project, I have no doubt it'll only get better.

[@louismccall]

$70K isn't a high number for an SUV like this

[@AlanMcGuire-ek8gi]

Interesting that you compare the g wagon to the grenadier since both are built by divisions of magna international which adds a Canadian element

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Grenadier isn’t built by Magna Steyr - it was (largely) engineered by them. The production is at the former Mercedes plant in Hambach, which Ineos owns outright. Magna will be engineering AND building the next model, the Fusilier, at the factory in Graz.

[@markelliott6105]

Once you get a look underneath you really appreciate that you are paying for hardware. While comparisons are fun, it’s really not relevant how it compares to Wranglers or Broncos. The entire global capacity wouldn’t even be a mosquito bite to sales of those. It’s targeted at a niche inside a niche… and maybe inside another niche. The target market knows exactly why they are buying it and would barely even consider a Wrangler or a Bronco let alone a Lexus.

[@WollieGrundlingh]

All valid complaints.

[@AndyNC]

I think it's good that there is a "new" car in the market. Other than that I think besides the good features the have a lot off odd things... I don't think you'll keep it for long.

[@apoplecticwrenchmonkey]

Whistling sounds like the temperature blend door might not be sealing completely.

[@willanderson3044]

Dangg it looks soo good. Nice spec guy

[@peterjack233]

I got a leak at front diff pinion seal after 4,000km

[@gerdo.7293]

so what was point 10 again ? think I did not get that.

[@joshuaatkinson5810]

The tow package is a weird thing to bitch about… every suv and truck should have this standard.

[@StefanSulistyo]

Grenadiers are also built in the same factory as G-class (Magna in Austria)

[@ofentseruele9057]

Not anymore. Only the first ones. The prototypes were built in Austria. Ineos have invested in an assmebly plant in Hambach, France. The same factory that used to build Mercedes A-class.

[@Afriqueleblanq]

The Geländewagen is handhwelded stainless steel and can engage three diff-locks while on the move. Not sure the Grenadier is there yet. My mate drives a 1981 still original Geländewagen (called G-Wagen by the linguistically inept.) ghe len duh va ghin

[@NileshKumar-uf4vh]

Ps quite a few of those were made in india and then shipped elsewhere in the80s and some years in 90s. Currently same company makes the s klasse and bmw 7 series etc. And they make a cheap knockoff gwagen called force gurkha in india

[@jakes5530]

I think if you look at it as a play thing for the ultra rich it makes a lot more sense. This isnt a logical daily driver.

[@BenHardyCars]

It’s great to daily drive

[@daveybro]

If you like to run a marathon in hiking boots then gwagon and this vehicle makes sense - unless you live in third world country with mostly unpaved roads. this is more of a toy than a ideal road tripper or daily driver.

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Ineos didn’t build it as a daily driver and they just don’t care - neither do the owners. The badge on front says “Built On Purpose” - and that’s why we are buying them. We were fed up with what was being offered - which had been so compromised to suit buyers who are PRIMARILY interested in daily driver criteria and NEVER intend to do ANY of the stuff we care about. We also didn’t value all of the posh-out stuff (lookin at you, Mercedes) that would make you REGRET using one the way it’s supposed to be used. Ineos nailed it. If people want a daily driver, they can go get a Honda Civic.

[@daveybro]

I get it, but I never believed fan of “legendary” defender or gwagon - legends are marketing bs - that’s why I don’t care about this “purpose built” stuff - I can afford but why pay more for less - lc or gx550 better for overall less headache and $. Just imho carefree travel is primary goal, gwagon and Ineos don’t give me that peace of mind.

[@jakes5530]

@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc genuinely curious what’s this magical stuff you care so much about doing with ineos that you cant do in any other off road suv? If you just love how it looks inside and out, then fine just say that. But dont pretend the Ineos holds any advantage compared to its competition. Besides, are you seriously going to take your $85,000 vehicle off road?? If you want a “purpose built” off roader you can actually use and not worry about damaging, just find a used body on frame vehicle for $15k. Interior of this Ineos is only marginally better than any suv from the late ‘90s/early ‘00s. Unless you have millions of dollars and $85k is chump change to you, and you daily a Rolls Royce, I just dont see the point. (Unless, like I said, you just love how it looks inside and out, then by all means…)

[@larrygoodsell9273]

That snorkel looks like it was designed by the new kid at Rubbermaid, that thing is fugly.

[@outlawedmedia4336]

I was waiting for this video haha

[@magnoliap5824]

Ben, people have reported this is too tall for some parking garages so FYI.

[@BenHardyCars]

Those are small parking garages

[@magnoliap5824]

@@BenHardyCars airport parking garages! lol

[@BenHardyCars]

@@magnoliap5824sounds like they should road trip instead👀

[@BillYT27]

A few days ago you stated this was the best suv ever. Now you say there are 10 things you hate about it. Make up your freak’n mind.

[@lesley643]

I used to think the Escalade was the ugliest vehicle on the road. No more.

[@judsonbaker1915]

Ok this is all nitpicking.

[@AB-vm2nz]

These „off-road lights“ are fog lights… wtf, really?

[@andrewshenton6541]

Honestly Ben being a first year it should be perfect,start as you mean to go on

[@wallbangerzsports]

No car is perfect in year 1. Not even Toyota or Lexus

[@andm6847]

So in short, no serious issue to hate. The missing grab handle is probably the only one that is relevant. I would be more worried about the turning radius being quite large. And the fact that there isn't a speedometer display in front of the driver, only in the main display.

[@Aarl0130]

You should have bought the Lexus GX 550

[@BenHardyCars]

Every I know that’s bought the new GX regrets it

[@Aarl0130]

@@BenHardyCars Why? I thinking on buying one

[@BenHardyCars]

@@Aarl0130build quality, hood shakes, and that engine has issues in the tundra and lx

[@bigmacmach1185]

Basically you are saying this should cost 55 to 60k not 80k.

[@BenHardyCars]

Most cars are expensive because they have pointless tech. This is expensive because it’s well built with premium parts. People like myself want that rather than worthless tech and luxury.

[@bigmacmach1185]

@BenHardyCars true, we don't need big screen TVs in our cars and power trunks. However, even if they are a new company, everything in the industry is still so over priced. I'm not even sure who is buying or leasing all these cars and trucks. I am in finance and these prices can't continue without salaries increasing exponentially. I hope this suv keeps it's value but something has to give at some point.

[@carmas54]

sell it

[@JEWbank88]

2024 and these don't have push to start? For the price point?!?!

[@ElderStatesman-pi3lc]

Yeah good point - last winter a number of drivers died of exposure because they didn’t have push button start and forgot how to use a key. Rest in peace, boys, rest in peace.

[@BenHardyCars]

LOL

[@johnbolton9483]

Cant you talk any faster?

[@WillaHerrera]

Those body gaps look bad even on the video

[@TheopolisQSmith]

So maybe you are the gamma tester?

[@joeblack1052]

10 things you hate about a vehicle a suburbanite should never own They can’t offer bigger tires as an option It affects the gearing and the calibration of the speedometer and the handling etc etc Why do Americans think they can just throw bigger diameter tires and lifts on vehicles with no consequence😅 Let’s hope in a few years the Ineos Grenadier won’t be known as the “Idiots Grenader”

[@BnMProductions11]

What are you talking about? Change your gear ratio and adjust your speedometer if you care that much. THe bigger tires are for off road, not for suburbanites and it isnt some prohibitively impossible thing to do.

[@joeblack1052]

@@BnMProductions11 you can do what you like when you buy the bloody thing but the manufacturer has to meet safety standards Roll over etc they can’t offer bigger tires as an option the vehicle has to be redesigned around that bigger diameter tire

[@BnMProductions11]

@@joeblack1052 Then do that like every other manufacturer does

[@joeblack1052]

@@BnMProductions11 this is designed for the African bush or the Australia outback not rock crawling at Moab Don’t need lifts and 37s in those conditions just dependability or you die

[@husshardan3511]

@@joeblack1052 And yet Jeep Wranglers, Broncos come with bigger tires as an option from the factory. So I guess they missed your memo.

[@robertannable9584]

The little warning gauge cluster above the steering wheel looks so cheap and junky. The flip-key ignition and infotainment is junk too. I can't stress how cheap and junky this thing looks and feels.

[@oliverallen5324]

Smaller tires are better offroad. People get bigger tires because they just go to the mall. I think they want this to be a real outback/wilderness vehicle. It's not the target philosophy of use they're aiming for.

[@johnssmith4005]

Not really , at least not when it comes to mountain bikes 😅

[@husshardan3511]

Guess you haven't off-roaded. Go to Moab and look at all the off roaders. And even the Jeeps you can rent. All come with bigger tires than stock. Bigger tires = more ground clearance and easier to drive over obstacles. Tell me why smaller tires are better?

[@John-sd5tt]

Wow

[@darren5160]

Too heavy

[@UncleFjester]

*British designed, made in India? The Service soon light will never go off!*

[@Whodatindyman]

The vehicle is assembled in France by mercedes benz trained technicians. German (BMW) engine and drivetrain. Italian axles.

[@EscOverland]

Personally I wouldn’t compare that vehicle to a jeep wrangler or bronco, those have 2 to up to 9 less cubic feet of cargo space. How do caps on fog lights become user friendly? Know it’s your personal opinion but lights look good. If you have ever been off road or overland before, nobody wants to get out to take caps off lights. Tires probably help keep MPG up, because that vehicle gets horrible gas mileage. I think the closest competitor is Defender 110 and G wagon, regardless of price. As far as accessories, if they did most if not all their accessories from factory , believe that would complicate production instead of keeping it streamlined. Many accessories are bolt on and have small parts. A production line uses mostly robots, just more costly programming and quality control to make sure those parts are installed correctly and quickly.

[@johnmadsen37]

Tiny wheel, speed bumps are an issue, dirt roads are scary.

[@GLDNTRT]

No keyless entry, no push start and no memory seats were a deal breaker for me. I’ll keep my 2016 LR4 with only 60k miles on it.

[@marknelson9615]

70k plus for any car in this economy...NOPE

[@scottanders5333]

Shouldn’t have bought it then. You need a shave. Look more professional

[@reserva120]

Something really not right with you son.. seek some mental health help.. or a friend ..

[@enfermeriaenUSA]

You just cannot compare this vehicle to a G-wagon. The luxury and engine has no comparison. I think this car is ugly and super expensive. Specially being a first ever car, not the Cybertruck doesn’t seem that expensive.

[@BenHardyCars]

It’s literally built in a factory that built g wagon😆😆😆

[@wallbangerzsports]

It’s literally an older G wagon, Bozo.

[@tpresten]

In the old days when all cars had keys and no lights on the ignition I learned to take my pointer finger and put it on the end of the key to find the key slot and then allow the key to pass into the ignition. The Ineos is a bargain compared to a Jeep or Bronco or Land Cruiser or Lexus. Keep in mind this is not the first year for the Ineos, just the first year in the US.

[@BenHardyCars]

That’s what I’ve been doing lol

[@jakes5530]

How is it a bargain compared to any of those you mentioned? It’s literally more expensive, as well as worse equipped inside, and slower than all that you mentioned. For $80k+ I expect a hell of a lot more.

[@tpresten]

​@jakes5530 It is made much better than either. For instance a Jeep has a max towing capacity of 3500lbs...Ineos is 7900lbs. All of the components are much higher quality. It's not like I haven't owned Jeeps since 1985...I have probably had 20. I love Jeeps but this is in a different league. A new Rubicon Unlimited is almost $70k. Each front fender on the Ineos can hold 300lbs. A Jeep has plastic front fenders....

[@markmcc1]

Bought, and sold the Grenadier within 3 months. It has nothing to do with the build quality but is a pain to drive. Constant adjustments when driving, horrible turning radius, and the ADAS system beeps constantly.

[@commonduck10]

How much you lose?

[@Ash-nz9hi]

I honestly can't believe the speed limit warning and lane change warning did not make your list. Yes you can turn these off.......EVERY time you start the car. Tell me that doesn't chap your ass every time you drive. I think the speed limit warning is the most offensive to me. The crazy steering and turning radius should have been on here. The whole instrument gauge cluster on the driver side needs to be rethought or at the very least they need to put in a heads up display. I agree on all your other gripes. All that being said, I love the truck, but will refuse to buy until they sort this stuff out. And I do REALLY want to buy one.

[@enabulujames7066]

You are nagging at the moment. There is no car that doesn't have its drawbacks