10 Things I Hate About the Outback Wilderness | Watch Before Your BUY

[@michaelmorrissey8983]

I consider myself a Subaru guy and I think your gripes are 100% well considered, respectfully put and completely legitimate. I also think it's great for Subaru to get feedback from a more Jeep-centric demographic because frankly there are way more things in common between the Jeep crowd and the Subie crowd than not and Subaru needs to hear about what needs to be improved upon. Thanks for your insights.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you for the comment and I agree with your statements entirely.

[@jameso6404]

Former Jeeper with new Outback wilderness. If Subaru pays attention to these legit criticisms and slightly adjusts, this car will be a straight A. Overall, I really love mine.

[@Databyter]

Good video. I thought this was gonna be the typical complaints, but they actually were well thought out. By the numbers. 1). Yes, a rock rail OPTION or MOUNT would be nice, but I'm not losing sleep. 2). Assisted backup braking. The sensor has to be in the bumper, so anything in front of it will of course affect this. Perhaps moving your bike mounting solution will help with this. As long as there is a way to switch it off I don't see a problem. I also likely would only have my bike rack on when I was using it, not while commuting etc. so MOST of the time I'd have the advantages. 3). Heated Steering wheel. I've never had one so I won't miss it. But if I lived in cold climates I would probably want it. This is a head scratcher, because I think that they are STANDARD in the Canadian version, so it's not like they don't have the parts or the design. It is much like their assessment that Wilderness folks do not appreciate high end sound systems, because you can't option Harmon Kardon. Kind of annoying. 4). 110 outlet. Yes it would be nice. But, this is a small battery car, compared to a truck or bigger 4x4. 110 outlets tempt people to put bigger appliances. Personally I always put an isolated aux battery and Wire my own outlets. I wouldn't use a 110 outlet without amping up the electrical. Still I heard the alternator was pretty good on this car so maybe a beefed up electrical would be a very popular package for trekkers . 5). Buttons vs infotainment. Yeah, there should be buttons for basics. I think they were trying to save money there but it can be a p.i.t.a. Not a dealbreaker, but yeah. 6). Cameras. Yeah, I haven't got mine yet, but based on reviews, they could be a lot better. Jeep is better, the new Bronco is marvelous. I have heard that installing aux lights or higher lume lights will improve the picture in low light situations i,e, back up camera. No excuse Subaru. My PHONE camera is 8K. so I expect more for my $42K car 7). Tires, yea, I think Subaru was right here. You and I will get new wheels and tires as soon as possible but most will not. And also their MPG specs are based on the lighter more fuel friendly Geolanders which makes their crossover more competitive because nobody else is putting KO2's on their crossovers either. HOWEVER, the BIGGEST flaw of the Wilderness BAR NONE is the inability to put smaller wheels, and hence taller sidewalls, combined with a wheel well that cannot take a tire much taller than stock. One wants the option to have 15" wheels and 29's+" tires on this vehicle. You can do that on a Crosstrek with some mods, but not on the higher end wilderness because of the size of the Brake system. I like good brakes in a vehicle, but it would be nice to get at least another inch smaller if not two on the wheels, OR have enough extra wheel well for taller tires. Airing down is not nearly effective with smaller profiles. I think you MIGHT be able to add an inch in diameter without mods. 9).They DO offer key fob starting as an option in the 2022 Wilderness. I chose not to spend the money because I am going to use the phone app. I always have my phone with me and it can do more than just start the vehicle. It IS expensive however, and not standard. 10. Aux switches would have been awesome. Subaru, are you listening? This is their first year attempt at doing the mods we all have been doing FROM the factory. Hopefully they will do more as the Wilderness line evolves. 11). It sounds like a valve is not shutting properly on your heater. I haven't had that problem in previous Outbacks. I know it takes a while for the ducting to cool off because the Outbacks are fairly well insulated, but it sounds like your problem is more than just a cooldown issue. Try running the air cond. to cool the ducts, then switch on and off quickly to see if it is really fresh warm air or just warm ducting. Well done, I haven't got my Wilderness yet, but you made a lot of good points here. Databyter

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you for taking the time to leave your thoughts on the video as well as your impressions. We will definitely try the air conditioner trick and see if that helps out. I literally turn my heat off after 10 min of driving in below freezing temperatures with the window cracked and still don’t get cold. Thanks again!

[@kevinbrock6716]

Did you manufacture your rock sliders?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I did not.

[@hithere9495]

As someone who’s thinking of maybe getting a outback. This is the type of honest review I needed. Thank you brother! 👍🏼

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime! Thanks for the comment!

[@allanblack8635]

I have a 2020 outback xt and a 2021 crostrek sport. After both purchases I had buyers remorse wishing I got a 4runner or jeep... but everytime I think about trading in for one of those cars I am reminded that the subaru can do 70% of what I want and 100% of what I need. And 3 days ago I passed by a 4runner sport stuck in the snow. Because with the money I saved I got winter tires... A jeep or 4runner TRD can do 100% of what I want and 80% of what I need.

[@joehibler2605]

The heater issue you were describing still blowing hot air , I have that same issue with my Jeep.

[@laurabegin9736]

All valid points, also how do you install a Thule Hilliard on the 2023 Subaru Outback roof rails, non Wilderness. The system that has rails that swing across the roof. Ideas?

[@roamingwithjosh]

No idea on that.

[@emilishungry]

for the hot air thing after turning the AC off, have you tried turning off the air recirculation thing.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I have and it still seems to pull warm air

[@Itsaint69]

What is the part # or maybe a link to where you purchased the rock rails for your OB Wilderness please :)

[@roamingwithjosh]

get with LP Aventure. They only have 1 set I believe.

[@williamarrowsmiith8380]

Agreed on all points, ESPECIALLY considering the “infotainment” system controlling so many features and functions. It makes the vehicle much too vulnerable. Very thorough review…. Thanks for sharing!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@drevo2770]

What is your wheel and tire setup specifics? Great loooking Subie!

[@roamingwithjosh]

LP aventure LP7's with the 245/65/17 BFG KO2. THanks!

[@stevenmaglio8345]

When on forest type roads do you feel that your capability would be diminished without the turbo? I am considering a touring edition and upgrading wheels and tires. I can not decide if the turbo (XT) version is worth the extra $2500. With your experience and my lack of I am not sure. I am looking at just doing glorified sight seeing. I also want this to be reliable for the long term.

[@roamingwithjosh]

My opinion is that the turbo is always worth the extra money. I don't think you would have a single issue without the turbo, I just prefer a a little more umph when I need it. Sorry I can't be of more help on this one!

[@WindsofChange2112]

@@roamingwithjosh I guess my real question would be, watching your videos there are times you kept saying stay in the gas. In those situations is the turbo spooling up enough to assist? Or is it more when street driving that you like the added oomph? I like added oomph for highway merging and passing.

[@seancordasco7595]

I am watching the video now and I love my 2023 outback wilderness and I totally 100% agree with everything your saying in the video

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@TechGently]

I agree on the first point, we drove to Arizona near flagstaff and there are OHV trail (funny because I forgot to tell the GPS to use highways), and we ended up going through some crazy stuff, part of the road was missing, worried about no plates. Camera isn't that great, forward camera the same. I thought about this from an IT vendor perspective, they need the mfr of that camera to provide enough to cover 4-5 years of supply and "if we give them an "eh" camera, we can give them wireless CarPlay, etc." was probably the conversation somewhere in Japan. Btw, I believe (I haven't tried this) that even if the battery dies in the unit, pull out the key from the fob to open it. Then hold the fob to the circle, should still work. One feature I do like, which we used recently is going Kayaking, I disabled my key fob, threw it in my glove compartment and came back, press in a 5 digit code to get in my Subaru (I have the Onxy XT model, but sure the Wilderness has it. Welcome to the Subaru family! It's not perfect, agree with you on almost everything though.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the input and thanks for the tip! I'll check that out asap.

[@kevinismawayoflife4660]

I’m enjoying your videos. Mine should be here sometime this month. I went with magnetite gray. I am curious what your thoughts are on the Front and rear bumper tow points. I am not a big fan of those copper colored caps. I’m thinking about installing shackles. I think they will look better, but it would be important to me that they also be functional. Are the Outback tow points actually rated for towing? I will be driving this thing for a living. Averaging 100 miles or more a day through snowy, muddy rural Michigan. It’s important that if I get myself stuck I’m capable of getting out. Any thoughts you could share?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I don't know for sure how they work and I have thought about getting shackles myself. Being that they're threaded tow hooks, I imagine that they can only hold up to so much before the threads give out. I would always use the hitch receiver on the rear of the vehicle over the threaded hook, if you have a hitch being installed that is. We're taking this thing on a month long trip starting Friday, so I may have some better info for you after that. Thanks for the comment!

[@johngriffin9989]

I've read they are mostly for tie downs and tents

[@morgen363]

As a recent owner, I find the infotainment system is great. The seat warmers are easily accessible, we have heated steering wheels in Canada that are controlled on the steering wheel with the pull of a toggle. It has a front facing camera, so tight parking spots become easily maneuverable. Even the sound system everyone is upset about for not being the upgraded model, is awesome quality. I hate weak speakers and the wilderness doesn’t disappoint

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome input!

[@BMSLou]

Nice post. Just bought this car last night and yet to get it but I was worried about no Harmon kardon speakers. Any other cons you can think of since it’s been 2 months that you posted? Thx again.

[@rodneybarnes4509]

The standard sound system isn’t bad, but if the upgrade were available it’s something I’d recommend.

[@johnnichols5377]

Old School is not using a remote instead of a phone to start your car. Old School is buying a new car, and your neighbor asks if it has a radio. :)

[@roamingwithjosh]

😂😂😂

[@mikechandler9299]

Can you provide a link, or at least the name, of the rock rails you added? Thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

They are from LP aventure

[@mikechandler9299]

@@roamingwithjosh Thanks! One more question, we'll be relocating to the Prescott, AZ area later this year. Do you know a good mechanic in that area (or anywhere in AZ) who you'd trust to put the rock rails on?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I think anyone would be able to do that pretty easily. It's not hard at all and if you want you could do it in your garage. I don't know anyone specific to that area though.

[@HomesteadOnThePreserve]

Where did you purchase that neon Jeep sign? I'd love to get one for my wife (she owns a 2005 Wrangler Unlimited) Great video by the way and your points are spot on. I'm searching for a 2022 Outback Wilderness right now, terrible time to look for a vehicle!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I actually got that from a random stores and put the lights on myself. I’m sure you could find it on Amazon. Good luck on the hunt!

[@HomesteadOnThePreserve]

@@roamingwithjosh Thanks brother!

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@diggingwesttexas3342]

Here is your option for 110. The Stanley FatMax. It can also be used to start your vehicle if your battery dies. In addition, it's portable, has USB ports and an air compressor. It can be plugged into you cigarette lighter to recharge while you're driving if needed. Just saying.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Can you give me a link for what you're talking about? When I hear "fat max" I think tape measurer. Thanks!

[@zachv8286]

Great video! I agree with many of your complaints, but for me they mostly just chalk up to areas for improvement, and not necessarily hate. For the AC/heat issue, try this: before turning off your heat, first adjust your temperature down to a lower/comfortable setting for a few seconds, and then turn the heat off. I’ve had this happen with other non-Subaru vehicles, and this technique seems to work.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I’ll give it a shot. Thanks for the input and I agree, hate is definitely a strong word.

[@CurtGodwin]

@@roamingwithjosh I may be late to the party, but I think Zach is spot-on. I think the Subaru climate control - at least in the Outback - is like old school manual mixer systems. If you have the heat on (any setting) and it isn't on recirculation, you're still going to get fresh air flowing through the heater core and heating up the cabin when you turn it off. It'd be nice if Subaru still let you adjust the temperature (like the old mixer sliders) even if the blower is off.

[@martindo23]

They pretty much all do it, 2004 wrx did it, 2014 brz did it, this does it too. You guys are right though, lowering the temperature before is the trick.

[@muchidromedary.7368]

Turning the recycled air switch to on fixes it too.

[@nige]

Yea. I have a Toyota (outback wilderness on order). My Toyota does the same thing for heat. The trick is to turn down the heat then turn it off. Maybe Jeep is different, but this is a common issue with heating systems.

[@Doc1855]

My 73 Chevy pickup had a huge hole in the floor board. I bought a large rubber mat so when I hit a puddle my feet didn’t get wet

[@roamingwithjosh]

I prefer that kind of situation.

[@tinkertoysoldier6076]

I have the same issue with my 2012 Outback when I turn off the heat and still gets warm air.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It’s good to know that I’m not alone on this.

[@jereldonovan834]

Valid points. I just wanted to jump in and say don't worry too much about people getting offended or worked up over your opinions. We shouldn't have to preemptively apologize to the overly sentive, doing that kinda empowers their behavior IMO. Great job 👍

[@roamingwithjosh]

That’s a great point! It just makes things less of a pain to state it in the very beginning so hopefully all the genius masterminds behind a keyboard relax a little bit.

[@JMBNIWOT]

I think this adds great comedy to the video, because all the points, preemptive and complaints, are so true. Way to go.

[@evgaray4780]

May I ask you about your tire size? Thank you so much

[@roamingwithjosh]

245/65/17

[@evgaray4780]

@@roamingwithjosh This size tire won't rub against the body, right?

[@cvilla1427]

RAB opinion. What is the big deal with turning off the RAB when you mountain bike?? Sounds pretty simple to me 😁

[@roamingwithjosh]

my complaint is that it locks the E brake up on you which I can't imagine is good for the E brake given that it's a steel cable.

[@johnfarel3152]

I had very few issues with the infotainment in my 2022. I just upgraded to the 2025 wilderness and hopefully it will still be smooth. So far so good 😊

[@roamingwithjosh]

I hope so too!

[@alexbanks7115]

Thanks for this review. I’m not one of your normal viewers I specifically picked this video because it said 10 things that you don’t like I’m already a huge fan boy of Subaru, but I was looking for honest opinions about things that were negative about it. I’m extremely grateful that I picked this video to listen to and agree with most everything you said the things I don’t agree with just don’t apply to me because I know nothing of rock crawling or really being out in the wilderness. Though I would say this, I think the Subaru wilderness is more of a Glamping vehicle than a real hard core wilderness person vehicle. It’s basically built for a lot of wannabes like me who mostly drive in the city, and every once in a while, might take it down some woods trail. Just one more thing as an aside you can tell the difference in our ages because I have never had a heating steering wheel and any car I owned though. I would like to try it as I get older I’m tired of a cold steering wheel however, I have never seen a need for any type of auto start for my vehicle though, I would not be adverse to the key fob version the cell phone version you described would totally irritate me. Thanks again for the video. Best wishes.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment and thank you for your feedback!

[@michaelbuchweitz1987]

Very interesting. I have the Ascent and a heated steering wheel. Also I have two 110s. I have the limited and need the touring to get the plug. I do have 6 usb plugs? I am surprised you only have one since it is a wilderness. Putting a cooler so something is somethig that would be used. I have 4 heated seats too, but I dnt think that comes on the wilderness model. outback. I was going to buy an Outback and studied them all, but coukdnt get one when I need a car. The Ascent popped up and I grabbed it. Love it! Do not have the big info screen on front which is better for us, but the 2023 comes with that too. Much improved I hear. Good luck.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for that info!

[@itselijahfox]

I’m pretty sure you can switch off the emergency braking in the infotainment system. If you know you’re going to put bikes on the back, turn it off. Seems like a really nice feature overall. Would be better with a physical switch for it though.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I was able to find the off switch buried in the infotainment screen. It's a good feature to have and after you turn it off it stays off until you manually turn it back on which is nice. Thanks for the comment!

[@derethknight]

What's your opinion on the transmission?

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's not great at all. It hasn't broke yet though.

[@derethknight]

@@roamingwithjosh yeah I have a 2015 outback and it struggles really hate the cvt transmission

[@kirstenneely9911]

I was going to purchase this vehicle last year, but had to prioritize a new truck first. Wondering if anyone thinks these things may change with the 2023 models? May be worth it to wait then perhaps?

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's hard to guess at what Subaru will do. I think their wilderness lineup did really well so to make any changes may not be a priority to them. After all they just discontinues their WRX STI which most people saw as a huge mistake so listening to their consumers may not be high on their priority list.

[@kirstenneely9911]

@@roamingwithjosh Aw thank you so much for your reply! And wow, what an astute observation. Hadn't thought of that. I think you're probably dead on lol. Kinda a shame for how much the car is. Do you think the engine is at least well worth it? I currently have a '15 crosstrek I bought new that is so slow it can't even merge onto the highway correctly lol

[@roamingwithjosh]

I think the motor is fantastic in the OBW and we come from jeeps so we feel your pain with getting on the highway and being scared for you life. That’s probably one of my wife’s biggest fears.

[@nicolaantrilli-bi6tv]

Pretty much agreed with everything you had to say that I'd already thought of. And you brought up a couple points that I had and thought of so thank you for that. The whole knob Styles versus electronic controls is the one issue that really drives me nuts

[@roamingwithjosh]

I couldn't agree more.

[@davidblanco5891]

where did you purchase the side rock panels from?

[@roamingwithjosh]

LP Aventure

[@KVAR42]

Ty Sir!! answered many of my questions as a new owner looking to get one. Made note, steel rims and at tires a must. Agree with many of the points that should be standard. btw, once you've stated the direction of which your view is coming from. Trollers have no reason to leave goofy comments. Thank you for your tie and post!! All the sincere best to you and your family!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment and kind words! Some people have nothing better to do and that's something we have to accept!

[@paul8699]

To start the engine with remote engine start system, briefly press the lock button twice within 2 seconds, then press and hold the lock button for 3 seconds. Page 347 of owner's manual. 2 years but better late than never, right?

[@roamingwithjosh]

Where have you been all my life?!

[@nucklez]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying about the heat. I've been driving Subarus for a while, and the Wilderness is my fourth one. I've always left it on "Auto" and adjusted the temperature itself. Say, I want it 60 I set it to 60. I want hot, I change it to 85. Maybe if you are talking leaving it at 85 and turning the heat off, but leaving the Outside Air/Recirculate thing set to Outside Air and you get a warm breeze. Though that happens in every car I've driven. Now, you want a car stuck on hot, my 88 Jeep Wrangler has a gentle warm breeze coming out of it all the time when the fans are powered off. Just gives me a good reason to leave the top off all Summer. :)

[@roamingwithjosh]

😂😂 thanks for the input! All my cars do the same thing when you turn the heat off, but I’ve never noticed it like I do in the wilderness.

[@gevorgnazaryan8720]

For your very last comment about the running hot, I would say turn on the re-circulate button to stop any airflow after turning off the heat. That should stop hot air from coming in. The rest, I agree with you 100%

[@roamingwithjosh]

That’s what a few other people said and I’ve been doing that lately and it’s helped a lot. Thanks for the input!

[@johngriffin9989]

All my vehicles have done this, its a physics thing. Never driven a subaru, but will test drive an OBW next week and probably reserve one

[@Jennifer-pb9nd]

@@johngriffin9989 I've driven a number of vehicles (ford, nissan, toyota, chevrolet, buick, oldsmobile, dodge, honda, kia, jeep, even an old travelall) and my subaru is the ONLY one that has ever done this.

[@RidgeRunner4X4]

My son has a 2017 Outback. We liked it, so when it was new car time we got a 2024 Outback Wilderness. We have had it for 3 days now, and already have 1,000 miles on it (had to go to Florida). We are testing it offroad this weekend. As for on the road, my #1 dislike is the steering assist BS on the highway. Even turned off, the car keeps trying to correct my inputs, and twice on our trip it freaked out when passing a semi truck. I need to figure out how to totally disable that crap. #2 is the lack of memory seats! What the hell is up with that? The other trim levels have it, but not this one? I am 6'1", and my wife is 5'2". #3 is minor, but the freaking rear defrost button is on the right side of the center stack, too far away. #4 is MAJOR: The wireless cell phone charger is extremely slow, and will not fully charge a phone before it overheats and shuts off. What? I tried my Samsung S22, and my I-Phone, neither one got more than 20% before they overheat. I will be pulling that POS out and replacing it with a storage cubby. We did get a heated steering wheel though...

[@roamingwithjosh]

I'm right there with you on all your gripes!

[@calgarycolt]

Heated steering wheel comes standard in the Wilderness in Canada( it gets really cold ), but Canada cannot get TPMS on any trim of Outback.

[@roamingwithjosh]

There has to be logic behind these decisions, I just don’t can’t find it. Thanks for the input!

[@danahill7546]

As someone who is thinking about buying a OW and who just got back from CO where I rented a Jeep Willys I’ll say that rock rails saved me twice. If I didn’t have them I would have had to pay out of pocket for doing some serious damage to that Jeep. Oh and I’ll say that I had no idea what a Jeep was capable of but I totally understand now.

[@roamingwithjosh]

They're incredible machines that's for sure.

[@deltabravo1257]

10:25 I agree on the infotainment screen. Vehicles are relying too much on the touchscreen to control everything. The touchscreen is more of a "driver distraction" than a cell phone nowadays.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I couldn't agree more

[@JoshuaHults]

Your number 10 heat coming out hot is the same on hyundai kona 2.0. It was the 1st car i noticed it on. The only fix is to switch the vent from allowing outside air to only allowing cabin air. I don’t think it’s the engine running hot as much as the way the air is circulated. The same thing actually occurs with the AC in the kona.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That’s good info. I appreciate the comment!

[@valdius85]

No heated steering wheel is a very strange decision. I agree as well with the infotainment system and lack of buttons.

[@Databyter]

Especially strange that it is not at LEAST an option since I believe it is STANDARD EQUIPMENT in the Canadian version.

[@joshuawick5382]

What? You need a heated steering wheel for your cold hands? Oh wah wah wah.

[@frederic8022]

Thank you for sharing, great video. I have the 2022 and I guess they solved the remote start issue with the fob. I couldn't agree more about not having switches for some of the things. Having to go through the screen for heated seats is extremely distracting for me. The other 2 things that seemed odd are, no seat adjustment memories and the fact that if you disable the auto shutdown/start it doesn't keep that setting in memory either ( the forester widener does tho [?]). It will by default turn it on next time you start the car. Overall the wilderness does pretty much all we need, we are happy with the car, it's just too bad that Subaru could have made it much friendlier with just a few very common features in other vehicles. Maybe the 2023 will address some of these issues.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree with your comment and I went and looked at the 2023 and found no major changes with the vehicle that would help. Appreciate the input.

[@sonny1597]

Yup! I’m the guy with the built Crosstrek and I have many of the same issues. My son now watches your channel as he just put money down on a 2022 Wilderness .. white at that! Although I’ve run 3 sets of KO2’s on my other rig I thought them to heavy for my Trek .. went with the Toyo All Terrain III’s and have 20K on them with no problems and they are wearing well. I regularly air down to 12 lbs. 🤠

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! I was looking at those tires, but I just love the KO2. Thanks for the comment!

[@joeblackburn7326]

even though I am going to purchase a 2023 outback wilderness (3rd Subaru), I agree with your comments: 1. regarding the Aux. switches , Some of us would like to run alternative communications equipt. w/o hiring the install of wiring ETC. 2. the all in one control point for items on the dash can be a comfort /safety issue going down the highway. 3. Remote start a winter time must 4. the RAB ... when you are backing iin brush or tall grass, you almost have to have a weed whacker to back out (perhaps an ON/OFF switch) The feature has safety in mind in the city but maybe no so much on trails that you can only back out of... . 5. a 110vac inverter outlet is a must for anyone with extended travel and exploration in mind ..Yeah, I know this is a dated KZbin show and the 2023 has a couple features that I didn't expect, IE: heated steering wheel ... not a big deal to me personally...I'd like to hear about the X mode, we do a bit of driving in red clay and rocky creek bottoms.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the feedback and I agree with all your statements. People have great things to say about x mode. I have used it, but I don’t think I gave it a chance to work. This is my first Subaru and I come from jeeps with lockers so I was used to a much different experience on rocky terrain. I have taken those vehicle pretty far and on some stuff that was a little hard on it and it made it out just fine. I have a few videos from out west last year that you could check out to get an idea of how it did and I didn’t use x mode at all.

[@johnbainbridge9034]

I really want the heated steering wheel for post-skiing. I don't know why they didn't give us one. I had the same backup breaking compatibility issue with our Crosstrek. Does any such system work with a bike/rack back there?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I’m not sure, but it sucks to have to keep it off all the time.

[@johnbainbridge9034]

@@roamingwithjosh Oh agreed. I just don't know how to solve the incompatibility short of using a roof rack instead. And the overall convenience of our Kuat bike rack makes that a non-starter. Perhaps improved AI algorithms could solve it? That could be fixed by a software update.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I totally agree

[@camillebrenes]

My new 2024 OW (autumn forest green/black) has a heated steering wheel, so thanks for doing this video :) I owe ya! Once I adjusted the contrast and brightness of the infoscreen, moved around the icons, I actually started to like it. I have mine set so the background and brightness match my analogue gauge cluster perfectly. Keep in mind, I'm a big analog/physical control guy so I thought I would never say that. My base WRX had a minimal dual screen and more physical/analog controls, but I like this one more now ironically. What I don't like is that Subaru has gotten rid of cd players... it's ridiculous, my Ascent had one but I think that was the last year/model that did... I still like CD's! Totally agree on the key fob, it's a bit of a money grab for Subaru which bugged me and I opted out of getting the Starlink upgrade. Solid logical con's to me here. I will add that they need to be much more informative online about the towing accessories and such, type of plug, etc. etc... Subaru are terrible at that. I'll be towing an 18.5" bass boat with mine. Ill be upgrading tires and springs, for better rear tow sag and offroad performance, plus the tires and springs will give me another 1" plus lift without having to do one. Would be nice if Subaru gave you those options out of the gate. Overall they did a good job with the 2024 Wilderness but they still have details to pay attention too. Also a mountain biker and photographer btw, and I go to AZ quite often (Live in CA).

[@roamingwithjosh]

I appreciate the comment and agree with you, especially on the towing portion. They need to add the option of a 7-pin wiring harness to their vehicles. Stating a towing capacity that they have with no available trailer brake option is dangerous for people. This is something that really drives me nuts about Subaru. Get with me on instagram and let me know if you're ever in town!

[@eskrima1]

I have a 2021 outback and my wife has a 2021 Crosstrek sport. Agree 100% about infotainment sys on the outback. Hate touch screen as it distracts the driver. The Crosstrek has buttons and knobs for the heated seats snd the heater. So much better. The one thing that’s a major problem in the outback especially is if the seat belt isn’t fastened the radio turns off and when you stop the car and unfasten the seatbelt the buzzer goes off when u open the door. You have to sit the door and re open it again to get it to stop. Small item but I do a lot of birding in back country and am constantly getting in and out. Forces me to just buckle the belt behind me to avoid the problem.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I should have mentioned the seat belt noise issue. It seems like it never stops and it just continues to get louder and louder. It’s definitely overkill. Thanks for the input!

[@joeb3002]

I wish everything I was thinking of buying had this kind of video. Thank you for making it.

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@FracturedNinja]

FYI: You can get an optional remote key fob start. I have it on mine and it works great! I agree with many of your points and like you as an owner I would purchase again, but the fan boys need to cool it and give unbiased reviews so people understand what they are and are not getting.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree, dude! Thanks for the comment!

[@Crazy-hn1sr]

What they didn’t even offer it to me

[@relaxation2380]

@@Crazy-hn1sr they don't really offer it you get an accessories book and can purchase it from the parts counter

[@keatoncyre9926]

Looking into buying one soon. Can you speak on the reliability on this vehicle? I've heard horror stories of the boxer engine 🤷🏻‍♂️ that being said, I've heard horror stories about very vehicle manufacturer lol Thank you!

[@Crazy-hn1sr]

@@keatoncyre9926 if you are not hard on the boxer and handle your the regular maintenance. These cars can run for some time. If you are looking into turbo… all turbo cars are going to have their issues. Simply because you are putting so much power into them. I bought a 1993 wagon and I loved that thing up until 250k I sold it and bought another. All my Subarus where great purchases with a great resale. Only one I had issues with, was my legacy. But I also built that to be a race car… so. Hahah highly recommend subie. I love how they drive and how safe I feel in them.

[@DaDaDo661]

The hot air from the vents issue has been an issue on all my cars. Chrysler, Ford,Subaru. It's very common. I always just set it to front windshield setting

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the input!

[@AP-cc1uw]

Canadian Wilderness Editions all have heated steering wheels I believe. Agree with you on the menu system for basic controls like heated seats and AC, it's super finicky and distracting. I don't think they should have put a more aggressive tire on however, for the reasons you stated. Even off-road pick up trucks come with relatively street oriented tires, so it wouldn't make sense for the OB to come with anything more than the Geolandars.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I somewhat agree with the tire statement, my only reason for saying that is the vehicles position within the market. It’s positioned as Subarus most capable off-road vehicle, that said, most vehicles with that kind of position come with a meaty tire. Either way, I totally understand why they went with the geolanders and for most people that tire is more reasonable. Thanks for the input!

[@RazgrizXVI]

Excellent points made man. Thanks from a prospective SOW owner

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime! Thanks for the comment.

[@rodneydecormier1504]

The informant system has been upgraded and the heated seats gets a dedicated button. Download the upgrade. I definitely agree about the 1938 camera resolution. Sucks. I do agree with you about the heated steering wheel. As important as any feature.

[@theblondeone8426]

very good review - looking at a subaru vs jeep and the screen is a major concern

[@roamingwithjosh]

Screen has been updated since this video, but it's still something to consider. Thanks for the comment!

[@GuitarOnTheRun]

I have heard so many reviewers knock the climate control and seats being tied to the infotainment system that it has prevented me from seriously looking at moving to a newer Outback from my 2019 Ascent. Hopefully Subaru hears the feedback and eventually makes a change.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It’s not the end of the world, but it is super annoying to deal with. Thanks for the input!

[@estebanjr11]

The infotertainment system stopped me from buying this car and I picked up the Forster. Much better system and better low gear trans

[@650tonyd]

@@estebanjr11 if the Forester had the turbo motor it would eat this outback for lunch I think

[@CS-uc4uu]

I've gotten used to it. I have the 11.6 inch touch screen in my 2021 outback.

[@climbslc2281]

RAB. I did the same damn thing w/ my Mtn bike!!! Thought I hit something. I just turned it off and left it off. BUT it still tells me if something is back there. It just doesn't auto stop. So not a problem for me IMO. I hate the damn seatbelt bell that goes apeshit immediately if the belt isn't fastened. Even if you are just moving the car out of the driveway. And there is not way to turn it off or modify it. Mine runs hot as well. My old Subaru Outback (2016) didn't do that. Love the car overall, but definitely a few things I "hate" or that could be improved.

[@roamingwithjosh]

We totally agree!!

[@comicaljunk]

My Chevy Volt and F-150 both blow hot and cold air after I've turned the blower off and it pisses me off! I've got a Forester Wilderness on order and I'm disappointed to hear it does the same...

[@roamingwithjosh]

It’s a huge pain and everyone thinks I’m just complaining for no reason. I’m glad someone feels my pain on this.

[@yannickroy1573]

The canadian version of the wilderness edition has heated steering, seems odd the US version doesnt have it.

[@roamingwithjosh]

All of us in america totally agree with you!

[@mattheviewer]

Apparently '24 Wilderness models will have heated steering wheel options. There's also an April '23 update addressing infotainment issues including heated seats.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Good to know!

[@db8980]

Great list you put together. It's crazy that these "go-in-the-snow" Wilderness trims don't have heated steering wheels in the US, but standard equipment in Canada, at least on the Forester Wilderness. Seems like a lot of foreign manufacturers strip down vehicles for the US market, which is usually their biggest market... Anyway, I've owned a Legacy and a BRZ and both blew out warm air with the heat off. You have to manually close the vents, not just the slats, but I don't know if you can do that with the middle vents on the current Outback/Legacy. I don't see the controls for that in those vents at least...

[@roamingwithjosh]

I totally agree and it seems like they assume the United States doesn’t get cold enough. I would have been happy to pay for that and an upgraded stereo had it been an option. Thanks for the input!

[@brettmyers1710]

While I can see the point of view of this being complainy. I found it informative. I'm contemplating getting a Wilderness soon and this gave me a lot to think about for packages and aftermarket options and choices. Just wanted to say thanks for your thoughts on this vehicle.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It could definitely come off whinny, but the things we bring up are facts and they can be annoying to some more then others. Appreciate the comment!

[@TheMightyMackerelsFishingCrew]

mines coming with one hopefully there isn't a damn chip shortage and i have to wait id be bummed

[@roamingwithjosh]

I’m hoping for you!

[@randoorlando443]

Heck the way I look at it, the people who dont like constructive criticism dont like these issues being fixed and it's great that you point all of these out hopefully subaru will take wind of these videos

[@roamingwithjosh]

Much appreciated!

[@MicroOutdoors]

RAB - yea i pull a trailer, now its habit to turn it off - - We have two, a forester and the OBW, the heated seats on the Forester is a switch, which is NOT controllable by the cell phone app. Because of this you have to remember to turn the seats on in the Forester before you shut down for the night. In the OBW i have full control of my seats in the phone app. - yes cam sucks - the tires are great, have them on my Super Duty FX4 in 35" load E they will last off road and work very well. -- yea key FOB start is VERY yesterday... it nice to be able to start it from inside the deer stand a mile away -- agree with the "up lifter switches" like Ford has. --- Also, thank you for posting this, before i bought one I could not find one single video on the "cons" so thank you for sharing your opinion.

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries! Thanks for the input and perception from your standpoint.

[@TimFilmsCars]

You and I both cracked a can of Liquid Death at the same time. I think it's a sign that I need this car.

[@roamingwithjosh]

😂😂😂

[@steveangelly2097]

I appreciate you voicing your opinions on the things you dislike about the Wilderness. You have the right and I respect that but whether I agree or disagree is yet to be discovered. I have had two Outbacks and looking for a third, if the are ever available. I like the options offered by the Wilderness over the (regular) Outback and do appreciate your opinions and comments. Thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

no worries and thank you for the response!

[@timothydooley1550]

New to the channel.... Great Video. I agree with every point. This coming from a Jeep and Subie guy myself. Trying to convince my wife about the Wilderness Outback...

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for stopping by! It took some convincing for my wife as well and although she was impressed with its capability, she still really doesn't like the car very much. She does enjoy the gas mileage and reliability of it.

[@thejonathanwaller]

Rear assist braking can be turned off I found out. With a bunch of bikes on the back I also dislike the RAB. When In reverse you push and hold the little RAB button on the screen and it switches to off. As a bonus it will stay off until you turn it back on even if you turn the ignition off. This is a handy feature if you’re leaving a trailer or bikes attached. Also, in Canada we get no options to add or remove it’s just a standard package and it comes with heated steering wheel.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the info!

[@kurtluhmann1744]

Thanks for taking the time to share your adventures.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime!

[@yankeedoodle2801]

I just bought a forester wilderness, it has the same flaws as you mentioned but the lacking of physical buttons lol.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Buttons are a need for sure!

[@GoatRidesBikes]

Yo Mountain Biker here too. Good to know about the issue with Rear Assisted Breaking!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Definitely something to be aware of. You can turn it off, but if you forget it's definitely a shock!

[@trapeziumcut]

the interior temperature will be at whatever setting you left it when the ac or heat was on ( when you have the air coming from outside on) If this setting is off you shouldn't be getting air in the car at any temps . I have an onyx xt and also happened in my nissan murano

[@roamingwithjosh]

We definitely always have warm air coming in if the heat was turned on and then turned off. As it’s getting warmer we have not noticed it nearly as much and I’m interested to see what the summer brings. Thanks for the input!

[@trapeziumcut]

@@roamingwithjosh you still dont get it. Before turning off the heat, set the temp back to a cooler temp. ie: if your heat is at 80 c, set it at 60 c before turning off

[@roamingwithjosh]

I’m fully comprehending your explanation.

[@boxsterman77]

So exactly how would they build an RAB system that could see beyond an obstruction placed over the sensors? Perhaps you could share your genius engineering proposal with Subaru.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for your comment!

[@hurryupnwait9887]

These are all really good points. I'm not comfortable with everything being wired through the infotainment system, which is probably more fragile than a home PC.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@dylandaunais6891]

Wife and I just ordered 2023 Outback Wilderness. Was wondering what company you bought rock rails from and what kind of rims you got on yours ?

[@roamingwithjosh]

We went with LP Aventure sliders and wheels. We have a video coming out Monday that goes over every modification as well as links for every item.

[@rodneybarnes4509]

I absolutely loved my 2022 Subaru Outback Wilderness (very safe, totaled in an accident that would have caused serious injuries & walked away unhurt). Still, everything you mention is true & buyers should be aware. Let me add that the premium Harman Kardon sound system isn’t available with the Wilderness & if that’s important to you, the difference is big. Mine was installed after market but why that was necessary is beyond me.

[@roamingwithjosh]

The amount of options that don't exist for the wilderness is mind blowing. They could have made so much additional money by having those options available for people.

[@cocoyc495]

Yeah. Subaru is not known for giving you extra stuff for aftermarket accessory installs. Obviously to keep prices down. I understand this for the normal outback where it's a wide range of customers, but you are right about the wilderness needed it. Another great addition to have is a ScanGauge. I use it to monitor voltage, water temp and CVT temp. I have the previous generation (2017) so not sure about it being compatible with the new gen or if you can monitor those already in the infotainment system. BTW - I just bought a trigger 4 for my outback based on your video. Looks like a simple install. I can't wait!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Thanks for the info of the scan gauge!

[@51249ca]

remember that Apple still supplies 720p cameras on most of their laptops as well

[@roamingwithjosh]

The only difference is you don't use your 720p laptop camera to drive over rocks and potentially hazardous terrain.

[@lynp9996]

the first gen outback I have seems to have better heated seats with a simple physical switch with low, higgh and off.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Buttons always seem to be the better option!

[@isnowboard167]

Hit the recirculate button when you turn off the fan and that will solve the blowing issue

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate it!

[@markkirley7519]

Hey could you try hitting lock "3" times but hold on the 3rd push. I saw another youtube video about subaru key fob secrets. I tried it on my 21 Ascent and it works, I also have starling so don't know if that factors in somehow. Would like to know if it works because I'm still waiting on my ordered wilderness.

[@roamingwithjosh]

What is that supposed to do!?

[@markkirley7519]

@Overlanding Now I'll see if I can find the link to the video I watched. Anyway, you hit lock, lock, lock and hold for 3-5 sec and a series of beeps tell you that it's sending the signal for the remote start. (Factory key fob and not the $400 added one). The video didn't specify if it works with or without starling enabled but it definitely works on the Ascent.

[@markkirley7519]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4etmqp6nKd3j80 here's the video I am referencing.

[@mtnrunner2]

I'm a 2013 Outback owner and I like mine, I also think these are good criticisms, and I hope Subaru hears them. I'm not really convinced that Subaru is positioning this vehicle the way you are stating, it seems more incremental to me, like a small step in that direction. There are also multiple shades between rock crawler and outdoorsy station wagon. Specifics: I'm pretty sure nobody's backup camera knows about some rando rack the owner put on the back. I'm with you on the fob starter. And bad computer screens/interfaces. Feature I like: it seems this model handles steeper climbs better without slipping, or so I've seen. Suggestion I like: keep some of the basic features like starting the car mechanical vs. app. I love smart tech, but it doesn't have to totally replace everything.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree and I appreciate the input!

[@Timelrd_OBW]

I think the one item that you mentioned that bothers me as well is the aux switches. Trying to wire up my lights was the biggest pain!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@650tonyd]

I hate that it doesn't have a CD player like the Forester. The fact that it has a CVT is pretty scary too

[@9gelki]

Cd player is an option I believe

[@jameso6404]

Spot on video. I have owned numerous jeep wranglers and a 4runner. Gave the Wilderness a go. Overall? Really solid vehicle👍Especially for my day to day ski trips and it’s been solid soft sand beach runner(actually surprised)and got tested getting out of a very muddy farm field. Did solid. HATE the information center. Will be upgrading to a better AT, though maybe not BFGs due to weight calculations. Thinking Falkens. Yes! Also rock rails.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! I really appreciate the feedback and agree with the thought on the Falkens.

[@raziel630]

you don't think they focus grouped this?

[@roamingwithjosh]

Who knows

[@raziel630]

@@roamingwithjosh I mean Subaru is not gm, Ford or stalantis. They don't have the budget to just make cars without careful consideration

[@jhonrutger3508]

Hopefully they got that thermal control valve fixed we have the Forrester and it crapped out around 70,000 miles and man it's an expensive fix and the bad thing is that the eye site and rear auto braking is tied in with it it's about a 2,000$ repair if you don't have any type of auto shop hook up. My understanding is that it's a wide problem. Hopefully, subaru fixes it with a parts recall.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's really good info for people who may be considering that vehicle. Thanks for the comment!

[@buddywilliams9594]

I am a Subaru Outback Wilderness Owner. Another thing that no one probably thought about that has been a Jeep Owner is; I wish Subaru could put a little bigger gas tank for longer range of miles. As far as the points you made, I agree with all of them. They are concerns. Subaru, I hope you take notes to all of these concerns. The remote start on the key fob was actually the 1st thing I noticed that I did not like. Not having a heated steering wheel nor ventilated seats was another thing I gave up when I got rid of my Jeep. Subaru puts the Harman Kardon in some of their Outbacks. This should be an option to anyone that would pay to have it. The missing knobs... I agree, I miss them. It is a pain to have to go back to the Menu and start over just to do a 2nd thing. Subaru, what is so hard about these addons. I don't care if the price goes up a little. This is a Tech World now and you have Subaru enthusiast that want you all to step up. GIVE US TECH. COME ON SUBARU!!!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Preach it! Thanks for the input!

[@romanvlkolinsky2320]

Thanks for the informative video. I own now a 2022 Outback Premium (not wilderness) but I agree with all 10 points. Plus have 2 more things that I hate. 1st., With all the remote options (gps-based car locator, remote start… ) why Subaru does not put a status switch to the sunroof that would inform me remotely on opened sunroof. If I forget to close the sunroof, the car could be inhabitable after a short rain. A simple function to inform the drive or even better , to close it remotely would be great. 2nd, after close inspection I am very disappointed by the roof rack on the outback. The crossbars rely on plastic parts constantly exposed to Sun. It is a question of time when the plastic cracks.

[@roamingwithjosh]

We agree with that!

[@miguellabayen2811]

I also own a premium..may I ask if you installed a hitch receiver?thanks

[@ThePhysicalMediaFan]

I am going to definitely miss the comfort of heated steering wheel in my new Outback Wilderness. I found most of your other points are valid too! Poor camera quality (even bigger problem at night time) is another issue as well. I totally agree with you how could anyone install such bad cameras in 2021 on a fairly expensive car like this one!!

[@roamingwithjosh]

It’s the little things they missed on because the OBW is so awesome on almost every other front. Thanks!

[@brianmceachern7906]

I have one ordered and in Canada it has one

[@Venom011]

Canada has heated steering wheel as standard. We only actually get one package for the Wilderness in general here.

[@MindBodySynergyllc]

What are you a bunch of millenials ? Just point the heating vents at your hands,..sheesh. seriously you young folks need to toughen up.

[@Databyter]

I may try to snag a Canadian wheel just to be different. I mean, if it is standard there it has to have a part number for repair, replacement right. Be the first on your American Block with a Canadian Wilderness heated wheel !

[@harrison1056]

Cameras - Subaru probably sourced a single supplier for them ages ago, put them through an insanely rigorous validation process and haven't seen enough of a business case to source new hardware. Sure, it's lower image quality, but it would have proven better longevity over something higher image quality at a similar or even higher cost. Fuji and Toyota will generally give up some headroom on having cutting edge stuff in favor of longer lasting stuff. Heat - just set the HVAC to auto and let it ride. Bump the temp up or down a couple degrees (since that's one of the few physical controls left) as needed and let the system regulate the interior temps.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I can see how that camera logic makes business sense for them, but yesterday I was on a trail in the middle of the day and was having trouble seeing my line so I flipped the front camera on and it was truly useless. I’m not just being dramatic, I had to get out of the car several times to make sure I had the right line. I don’t mind jumping in and out, it’s just frustrating because Subaru had to know that the camera isn’t actually functional in real situations. Either way, I’m impressed with what the vehicle can do so far so I can’t really complain too much. Thanks for the input!

[@mapletreerocker]

In Canada, heated steering wheel is standard on Outback Wilderness. This video is thought provoking though!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@subie2021]

I'm Canada we get heated steering, same for the crosstrek outdoor (sport in the us) not sure why they don't give you guys that option... Seems like more work for them to ship out different batches when we're literally next to each other

[@roamingwithjosh]

Lolol tell me about it.

[@legendofdave8831]

Judging by the gps on the infotainment I live about 20 minutes away from you. Enjoying the videos.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Where at?

[@legendofdave8831]

@@roamingwithjosh I'm just north of Circleville. In your video saw 92.3 WCOL then saw the gps. Had to do a double take.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on!

[@yesman3709]

Great review. Thanks for sharing & saving us from Subaru's incompetence. While shopping & impressed with horsepower & torque, the details you listed escape a shopper.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It has a lot of good features, but there are plenty others that make no sense to me. Thanks for the comment!

[@alexlancaster3492]

Yeah I want to know the differences between this and the regular outback

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@jeremytoms9698]

Coming from a 2014 CrossTrek (manual tranny) that has served us well, I can't decide if I want a Forester Wilderness or Outback Wilderness... The Forester would be an improvement just for the squared off proportions, but the Outback form factor would be ideal. I just can't get over that Infotainment screen. I'd want buttons too.

[@roamingwithjosh]

The screen is definitely a drawback, but outside of that I think you would be happy either way you went.

[@MFW4]

Outback, cubic sq footage is a premium imo.

[@650tonyd]

@@MFW4 Forester had better controls for their infotainment and better dual x mode

[@jeffmitchell6805]

Heated steering wheel is standard if you buy the Canadian market version.. not sure if that was mentioned but yeah..

[@jeffmitchell6805]

Also there is a factory remote start option... Yes it's a second smaller fob but it's an option. Over here in MA we can't have Starlink because of state laws and whatnot.