10 Things I Hate About the Outback Wilderness | Watch Before Your BUY

So far, the Subaru Outback Wilderness has done nothing but impress us. That being said, there's a list of things about the Outback Wilderness that I just can't let go unsaid. Here is my take on exactly what I think Subaru missed the mark on when engineering the Wilderness as well as the things I would change if I had the chance to go back in time and put my own personal touches on the Outback Wilderness.
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Disclaimer - I'm just a normal guy with a KZbin Channel, not a paid professional. So, before you start harassing me in the comments, remember one thing, these are just opinions. Enjoy!

[@michaelmorrissey8983]

I consider myself a Subaru guy and I think your gripes are 100% well considered, respectfully put and completely legitimate. I also think it's great for Subaru to get feedback from a more Jeep-centric demographic because frankly there are way more things in common between the Jeep crowd and the Subie crowd than not and Subaru needs to hear about what needs to be improved upon. Thanks for your insights.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you for the comment and I agree with your statements entirely.

[@jameso6404]

Former Jeeper with new Outback wilderness. If Subaru pays attention to these legit criticisms and slightly adjusts, this car will be a straight A. Overall, I really love mine.

[@Databyter]

Good video. I thought this was gonna be the typical complaints, but they actually were well thought out. By the numbers. 1). Yes, a rock rail OPTION or MOUNT would be nice, but I'm not losing sleep. 2). Assisted backup braking. The sensor has to be in the bumper, so anything in front of it will of course affect this. Perhaps moving your bike mounting solution will help with this. As long as there is a way to switch it off I don't see a problem. I also likely would only have my bike rack on when I was using it, not while commuting etc. so MOST of the time I'd have the advantages. 3). Heated Steering wheel. I've never had one so I won't miss it. But if I lived in cold climates I would probably want it. This is a head scratcher, because I think that they are STANDARD in the Canadian version, so it's not like they don't have the parts or the design. It is much like their assessment that Wilderness folks do not appreciate high end sound systems, because you can't option Harmon Kardon. Kind of annoying. 4). 110 outlet. Yes it would be nice. But, this is a small battery car, compared to a truck or bigger 4x4. 110 outlets tempt people to put bigger appliances. Personally I always put an isolated aux battery and Wire my own outlets. I wouldn't use a 110 outlet without amping up the electrical. Still I heard the alternator was pretty good on this car so maybe a beefed up electrical would be a very popular package for trekkers . 5). Buttons vs infotainment. Yeah, there should be buttons for basics. I think they were trying to save money there but it can be a p.i.t.a. Not a dealbreaker, but yeah. 6). Cameras. Yeah, I haven't got mine yet, but based on reviews, they could be a lot better. Jeep is better, the new Bronco is marvelous. I have heard that installing aux lights or higher lume lights will improve the picture in low light situations i,e, back up camera. No excuse Subaru. My PHONE camera is 8K. so I expect more for my $42K car 7). Tires, yea, I think Subaru was right here. You and I will get new wheels and tires as soon as possible but most will not. And also their MPG specs are based on the lighter more fuel friendly Geolanders which makes their crossover more competitive because nobody else is putting KO2's on their crossovers either. HOWEVER, the BIGGEST flaw of the Wilderness BAR NONE is the inability to put smaller wheels, and hence taller sidewalls, combined with a wheel well that cannot take a tire much taller than stock. One wants the option to have 15" wheels and 29's+" tires on this vehicle. You can do that on a Crosstrek with some mods, but not on the higher end wilderness because of the size of the Brake system. I like good brakes in a vehicle, but it would be nice to get at least another inch smaller if not two on the wheels, OR have enough extra wheel well for taller tires. Airing down is not nearly effective with smaller profiles. I think you MIGHT be able to add an inch in diameter without mods. 9).They DO offer key fob starting as an option in the 2022 Wilderness. I chose not to spend the money because I am going to use the phone app. I always have my phone with me and it can do more than just start the vehicle. It IS expensive however, and not standard. 10. Aux switches would have been awesome. Subaru, are you listening? This is their first year attempt at doing the mods we all have been doing FROM the factory. Hopefully they will do more as the Wilderness line evolves. 11). It sounds like a valve is not shutting properly on your heater. I haven't had that problem in previous Outbacks. I know it takes a while for the ducting to cool off because the Outbacks are fairly well insulated, but it sounds like your problem is more than just a cooldown issue. Try running the air cond. to cool the ducts, then switch on and off quickly to see if it is really fresh warm air or just warm ducting. Well done, I haven't got my Wilderness yet, but you made a lot of good points here. Databyter

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you for taking the time to leave your thoughts on the video as well as your impressions. We will definitely try the air conditioner trick and see if that helps out. I literally turn my heat off after 10 min of driving in below freezing temperatures with the window cracked and still don’t get cold. Thanks again!

[@kevinismawayoflife4660]

I’m enjoying your videos. Mine should be here sometime this month. I went with magnetite gray. I am curious what your thoughts are on the Front and rear bumper tow points. I am not a big fan of those copper colored caps. I’m thinking about installing shackles. I think they will look better, but it would be important to me that they also be functional. Are the Outback tow points actually rated for towing? I will be driving this thing for a living. Averaging 100 miles or more a day through snowy, muddy rural Michigan. It’s important that if I get myself stuck I’m capable of getting out. Any thoughts you could share?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I don't know for sure how they work and I have thought about getting shackles myself. Being that they're threaded tow hooks, I imagine that they can only hold up to so much before the threads give out. I would always use the hitch receiver on the rear of the vehicle over the threaded hook, if you have a hitch being installed that is. We're taking this thing on a month long trip starting Friday, so I may have some better info for you after that. Thanks for the comment!

[@johngriffin9989]

I've read they are mostly for tie downs and tents

[@hithere9495]

As someone who’s thinking of maybe getting a outback. This is the type of honest review I needed. Thank you brother! 👍🏼

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime! Thanks for the comment!

[@allanblack8635]

I have a 2020 outback xt and a 2021 crostrek sport. After both purchases I had buyers remorse wishing I got a 4runner or jeep... but everytime I think about trading in for one of those cars I am reminded that the subaru can do 70% of what I want and 100% of what I need. And 3 days ago I passed by a 4runner sport stuck in the snow. Because with the money I saved I got winter tires... A jeep or 4runner TRD can do 100% of what I want and 80% of what I need.

[@kurtluhmann1744]

Thanks for taking the time to share your adventures.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime!

[@joehibler2605]

The heater issue you were describing still blowing hot air , I have that same issue with my Jeep.

[@zachv8286]

Great video! I agree with many of your complaints, but for me they mostly just chalk up to areas for improvement, and not necessarily hate. For the AC/heat issue, try this: before turning off your heat, first adjust your temperature down to a lower/comfortable setting for a few seconds, and then turn the heat off. I’ve had this happen with other non-Subaru vehicles, and this technique seems to work.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I’ll give it a shot. Thanks for the input and I agree, hate is definitely a strong word.

[@CurtGodwin]

@@roamingwithjosh I may be late to the party, but I think Zach is spot-on. I think the Subaru climate control - at least in the Outback - is like old school manual mixer systems. If you have the heat on (any setting) and it isn't on recirculation, you're still going to get fresh air flowing through the heater core and heating up the cabin when you turn it off. It'd be nice if Subaru still let you adjust the temperature (like the old mixer sliders) even if the blower is off.

[@martindo23]

They pretty much all do it, 2004 wrx did it, 2014 brz did it, this does it too. You guys are right though, lowering the temperature before is the trick.

[@muchidromedary.7368]

Turning the recycled air switch to on fixes it too.

[@nige]

Yea. I have a Toyota (outback wilderness on order). My Toyota does the same thing for heat. The trick is to turn down the heat then turn it off. Maybe Jeep is different, but this is a common issue with heating systems.

[@stephaniecryer7578]

Thank you for this great video! As somebody who is considering buying a Subaru Wilderness (I would be going with the Forester so not all of these will apply), it's good to know what some of the cons may be. I really appreciate it!

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@dubbadubdub82]

I'm so close to pulling the trigger on the 2024 outback wilderness

[@roamingwithjosh]

If you can wait for 2025 I would suggest it. Should be a complete redesign.

[@billyandchristiane]

Thanks! This is really helpful and interesting. We have a Wilderness on the way and you brought up some great points prior to purchase. Also, I had a Subaru Forrester for years and it also ran hot. 🥵

[@roamingwithjosh]

We love our OBW, but I wish I would have known those things before we purchased. I still would have bought the car, but it would have been nice to know ahead of time. Thanks for the comment!

[@stevenmaglio8345]

When on forest type roads do you feel that your capability would be diminished without the turbo? I am considering a touring edition and upgrading wheels and tires. I can not decide if the turbo (XT) version is worth the extra $2500. With your experience and my lack of I am not sure. I am looking at just doing glorified sight seeing. I also want this to be reliable for the long term.

[@roamingwithjosh]

My opinion is that the turbo is always worth the extra money. I don't think you would have a single issue without the turbo, I just prefer a a little more umph when I need it. Sorry I can't be of more help on this one!

[@WindsofChange2112]

@@roamingwithjosh I guess my real question would be, watching your videos there are times you kept saying stay in the gas. In those situations is the turbo spooling up enough to assist? Or is it more when street driving that you like the added oomph? I like added oomph for highway merging and passing.

[@johnbainbridge9034]

I really want the heated steering wheel for post-skiing. I don't know why they didn't give us one. I had the same backup breaking compatibility issue with our Crosstrek. Does any such system work with a bike/rack back there?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I’m not sure, but it sucks to have to keep it off all the time.

[@johnbainbridge9034]

@@roamingwithjosh Oh agreed. I just don't know how to solve the incompatibility short of using a roof rack instead. And the overall convenience of our Kuat bike rack makes that a non-starter. Perhaps improved AI algorithms could solve it? That could be fixed by a software update.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I totally agree

[@drevo2770]

What is your wheel and tire setup specifics? Great loooking Subie!

[@roamingwithjosh]

LP aventure LP7's with the 245/65/17 BFG KO2. THanks!

[@db8980]

Great list you put together. It's crazy that these "go-in-the-snow" Wilderness trims don't have heated steering wheels in the US, but standard equipment in Canada, at least on the Forester Wilderness. Seems like a lot of foreign manufacturers strip down vehicles for the US market, which is usually their biggest market... Anyway, I've owned a Legacy and a BRZ and both blew out warm air with the heat off. You have to manually close the vents, not just the slats, but I don't know if you can do that with the middle vents on the current Outback/Legacy. I don't see the controls for that in those vents at least...

[@roamingwithjosh]

I totally agree and it seems like they assume the United States doesn’t get cold enough. I would have been happy to pay for that and an upgraded stereo had it been an option. Thanks for the input!

[@gevorgnazaryan8720]

For your very last comment about the running hot, I would say turn on the re-circulate button to stop any airflow after turning off the heat. That should stop hot air from coming in. The rest, I agree with you 100%

[@roamingwithjosh]

That’s what a few other people said and I’ve been doing that lately and it’s helped a lot. Thanks for the input!

[@johngriffin9989]

All my vehicles have done this, its a physics thing. Never driven a subaru, but will test drive an OBW next week and probably reserve one

[@Jennifer-pb9nd]

@@johngriffin9989 I've driven a number of vehicles (ford, nissan, toyota, chevrolet, buick, oldsmobile, dodge, honda, kia, jeep, even an old travelall) and my subaru is the ONLY one that has ever done this.

[@jereldonovan834]

Valid points. I just wanted to jump in and say don't worry too much about people getting offended or worked up over your opinions. We shouldn't have to preemptively apologize to the overly sentive, doing that kinda empowers their behavior IMO. Great job 👍

[@roamingwithjosh]

That’s a great point! It just makes things less of a pain to state it in the very beginning so hopefully all the genius masterminds behind a keyboard relax a little bit.

[@JMBNIWOT]

I think this adds great comedy to the video, because all the points, preemptive and complaints, are so true. Way to go.

[@AP-cc1uw]

Canadian Wilderness Editions all have heated steering wheels I believe. Agree with you on the menu system for basic controls like heated seats and AC, it's super finicky and distracting. I don't think they should have put a more aggressive tire on however, for the reasons you stated. Even off-road pick up trucks come with relatively street oriented tires, so it wouldn't make sense for the OB to come with anything more than the Geolandars.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I somewhat agree with the tire statement, my only reason for saying that is the vehicles position within the market. It’s positioned as Subarus most capable off-road vehicle, that said, most vehicles with that kind of position come with a meaty tire. Either way, I totally understand why they went with the geolanders and for most people that tire is more reasonable. Thanks for the input!

[@frederic8022]

Thank you for sharing, great video. I have the 2022 and I guess they solved the remote start issue with the fob. I couldn't agree more about not having switches for some of the things. Having to go through the screen for heated seats is extremely distracting for me. The other 2 things that seemed odd are, no seat adjustment memories and the fact that if you disable the auto shutdown/start it doesn't keep that setting in memory either ( the forester widener does tho [?]). It will by default turn it on next time you start the car. Overall the wilderness does pretty much all we need, we are happy with the car, it's just too bad that Subaru could have made it much friendlier with just a few very common features in other vehicles. Maybe the 2023 will address some of these issues.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree with your comment and I went and looked at the 2023 and found no major changes with the vehicle that would help. Appreciate the input.

[@laurabegin9736]

All valid points, also how do you install a Thule Hilliard on the 2023 Subaru Outback roof rails, non Wilderness. The system that has rails that swing across the roof. Ideas?

[@roamingwithjosh]

No idea on that.

[@DownSouth_Adventures]

Love this, and your background set up!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks, dude!

[@johnnichols5377]

Old School is not using a remote instead of a phone to start your car. Old School is buying a new car, and your neighbor asks if it has a radio. :)

[@roamingwithjosh]

😂😂😂

[@davidblanco5891]

where did you purchase the side rock panels from?

[@roamingwithjosh]

LP Aventure

[@seancordasco7595]

I am watching the video now and I love my 2023 outback wilderness and I totally 100% agree with everything your saying in the video

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@kevinbrock6716]

Did you manufacture your rock sliders?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I did not.

[@markkirley7519]

Hey could you try hitting lock "3" times but hold on the 3rd push. I saw another youtube video about subaru key fob secrets. I tried it on my 21 Ascent and it works, I also have starling so don't know if that factors in somehow. Would like to know if it works because I'm still waiting on my ordered wilderness.

[@roamingwithjosh]

What is that supposed to do!?

[@markkirley7519]

@Overlanding Now I'll see if I can find the link to the video I watched. Anyway, you hit lock, lock, lock and hold for 3-5 sec and a series of beeps tell you that it's sending the signal for the remote start. (Factory key fob and not the $400 added one). The video didn't specify if it works with or without starling enabled but it definitely works on the Ascent.

[@markkirley7519]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4etmqp6nKd3j80 here's the video I am referencing.

[@valdius85]

No heated steering wheel is a very strange decision. I agree as well with the infotainment system and lack of buttons.

[@Databyter]

Especially strange that it is not at LEAST an option since I believe it is STANDARD EQUIPMENT in the Canadian version.

[@joshuawick5382]

What? You need a heated steering wheel for your cold hands? Oh wah wah wah.

[@williamarrowsmiith8380]

Agreed on all points, ESPECIALLY considering the “infotainment” system controlling so many features and functions. It makes the vehicle much too vulnerable. Very thorough review…. Thanks for sharing!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@morgen363]

As a recent owner, I find the infotainment system is great. The seat warmers are easily accessible, we have heated steering wheels in Canada that are controlled on the steering wheel with the pull of a toggle. It has a front facing camera, so tight parking spots become easily maneuverable. Even the sound system everyone is upset about for not being the upgraded model, is awesome quality. I hate weak speakers and the wilderness doesn’t disappoint

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome input!

[@BMSLou]

Nice post. Just bought this car last night and yet to get it but I was worried about no Harmon kardon speakers. Any other cons you can think of since it’s been 2 months that you posted? Thx again.

[@rodneybarnes4509]

The standard sound system isn’t bad, but if the upgrade were available it’s something I’d recommend.

[@jre1101]

All good points! What do you think about 1) the CVT transmission and 2) The lack of 'real' skid plates?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I think the CVT has its pros and cons, but until I get a chance to truly test it, I can’t give an honest opinion. I think the lack of skids is pretty much standard for most manufacturers, but I think you should definitely add those and rock sliders if you truly intend to take this vehicle places.

[@alexbanks7115]

Thanks for this review. I’m not one of your normal viewers I specifically picked this video because it said 10 things that you don’t like I’m already a huge fan boy of Subaru, but I was looking for honest opinions about things that were negative about it. I’m extremely grateful that I picked this video to listen to and agree with most everything you said the things I don’t agree with just don’t apply to me because I know nothing of rock crawling or really being out in the wilderness. Though I would say this, I think the Subaru wilderness is more of a Glamping vehicle than a real hard core wilderness person vehicle. It’s basically built for a lot of wannabes like me who mostly drive in the city, and every once in a while, might take it down some woods trail. Just one more thing as an aside you can tell the difference in our ages because I have never had a heating steering wheel and any car I owned though. I would like to try it as I get older I’m tired of a cold steering wheel however, I have never seen a need for any type of auto start for my vehicle though, I would not be adverse to the key fob version the cell phone version you described would totally irritate me. Thanks again for the video. Best wishes.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment and thank you for your feedback!

[@emilishungry]

for the hot air thing after turning the AC off, have you tried turning off the air recirculation thing.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I have and it still seems to pull warm air

[@RazgrizXVI]

Excellent points made man. Thanks from a prospective SOW owner

[@roamingwithjosh]

Anytime! Thanks for the comment.

[@dylandaunais6891]

Wife and I just ordered 2023 Outback Wilderness. Was wondering what company you bought rock rails from and what kind of rims you got on yours ?

[@roamingwithjosh]

We went with LP Aventure sliders and wheels. We have a video coming out Monday that goes over every modification as well as links for every item.

[@cocoyc495]

Yeah. Subaru is not known for giving you extra stuff for aftermarket accessory installs. Obviously to keep prices down. I understand this for the normal outback where it's a wide range of customers, but you are right about the wilderness needed it. Another great addition to have is a ScanGauge. I use it to monitor voltage, water temp and CVT temp. I have the previous generation (2017) so not sure about it being compatible with the new gen or if you can monitor those already in the infotainment system. BTW - I just bought a trigger 4 for my outback based on your video. Looks like a simple install. I can't wait!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Thanks for the info of the scan gauge!

[@Itsaint69]

What is the part # or maybe a link to where you purchased the rock rails for your OB Wilderness please :)

[@roamingwithjosh]

get with LP Aventure. They only have 1 set I believe.

[@user-xo5oq8cv1n]

Hello, The RAB stands for Rear Automatic Braking and Subaru has updated the system to know when there is anything on the hitch. So your bike rack will no longer engage the RAB. small FYI

[@roamingwithjosh]

That's super helpful!

[@Crazy-hn1sr]

I agree with everything you said. I love subie and I wish my outback had these options as well

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the input!

[@yesman3709]

Great review. Thanks for sharing & saving us from Subaru's incompetence. While shopping & impressed with horsepower & torque, the details you listed escape a shopper.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It has a lot of good features, but there are plenty others that make no sense to me. Thanks for the comment!

[@paulguan7614]

Thank you for sharing those valuable opinions, and watching this video successfully stopped me to purchase this car even I am Subaru fan, I am very disappointed for the lack of heated steering wheel and poor monitor quality.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Who still uses kindles? Those still exist?

[@onevoiceunheard]

100% agree about the lack of buttons. Very frustrating.

[@HomesteadOnThePreserve]

Where did you purchase that neon Jeep sign? I'd love to get one for my wife (she owns a 2005 Wrangler Unlimited) Great video by the way and your points are spot on. I'm searching for a 2022 Outback Wilderness right now, terrible time to look for a vehicle!

[@roamingwithjosh]

I actually got that from a random stores and put the lights on myself. I’m sure you could find it on Amazon. Good luck on the hunt!

[@HomesteadOnThePreserve]

@@roamingwithjosh Thanks brother!

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@twowheeledjj]

GREAT VIDEO! I was considering Changing from the jeep Rubicon new to a Subaru And your video really helped focus my thoughts on things I want and need. I want to go hunting but it requires off-road capability. I want to go camping but I don't wanna do it I hope much other people so I usually just rock crawl my wrangler up a creek until I find a nice little spot to pull off. No rock rails no Subaru. I'm tired of having to customize vehicles to do what you want to go do. Why can't the manufactures get the message. Well they lost this Subaru sale. I may pay $20,000 more for my Rubicon wrangler fully equipped But I will enjoy it.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Your comment hits the nail on the head in several ways. The subaru will limit you on where you want to go and only Jeep or 4Runner people will truly understand that. You may gain gas mileage and a more comfortable ride, but there will be times when you have to turn back and that's probably one of my biggest issues with this vehicle. Thanks for the comment!

[@joeb3002]

I wish everything I was thinking of buying had this kind of video. Thank you for making it.

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries!

[@TMoscy]

Appreciate the vid! Surprised you didn’t also bring up not having retractable crossbars on the wilderness version like subaru does with the onyx version. Doesn’t make sense to me! Should be at the very least a factory option as well. Anyways… cheers to a good summary! I’ve had my wilderness for almost 6k miles now. Love it, some minor changes could really make this vehicle stand out even more.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@bglenn1983]

You can't get the new weight rating that wilderness has with the other cross bar system, those won't support a tent. I bought Thule, those cost me 499 though

[@dsa4347]

I so agree about using the key fob for remote start!!!

[@sonny1597]

Yup! I’m the guy with the built Crosstrek and I have many of the same issues. My son now watches your channel as he just put money down on a 2022 Wilderness .. white at that! Although I’ve run 3 sets of KO2’s on my other rig I thought them to heavy for my Trek .. went with the Toyo All Terrain III’s and have 20K on them with no problems and they are wearing well. I regularly air down to 12 lbs. 🤠

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! I was looking at those tires, but I just love the KO2. Thanks for the comment!

[@rodneydecormier1504]

The informant system has been upgraded and the heated seats gets a dedicated button. Download the upgrade. I definitely agree about the 1938 camera resolution. Sucks. I do agree with you about the heated steering wheel. As important as any feature.

[@tacticalwarriorviking5089]

Maybe Subaru should make a Wilderness XT trim with more aggressive tires and factory Aux switches. Even a bigger turbo intercooler and transmission cooler.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That or just upgrade the wilderness with better equipment. Thanks for the comment!

[@evgaray4780]

May I ask you about your tire size? Thank you so much

[@roamingwithjosh]

245/65/17

[@evgaray4780]

@@roamingwithjosh This size tire won't rub against the body, right?

[@hbd9087]

Really good points.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks!

[@GoatRidesBikes]

Yo Mountain Biker here too. Good to know about the issue with Rear Assisted Breaking!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! Definitely something to be aware of. You can turn it off, but if you forget it's definitely a shock!

[@michaelbuchweitz1987]

Very interesting. I have the Ascent and a heated steering wheel. Also I have two 110s. I have the limited and need the touring to get the plug. I do have 6 usb plugs? I am surprised you only have one since it is a wilderness. Putting a cooler so something is somethig that would be used. I have 4 heated seats too, but I dnt think that comes on the wilderness model. outback. I was going to buy an Outback and studied them all, but coukdnt get one when I need a car. The Ascent popped up and I grabbed it. Love it! Do not have the big info screen on front which is better for us, but the 2023 comes with that too. Much improved I hear. Good luck.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for that info!

[@FracturedNinja]

FYI: You can get an optional remote key fob start. I have it on mine and it works great! I agree with many of your points and like you as an owner I would purchase again, but the fan boys need to cool it and give unbiased reviews so people understand what they are and are not getting.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree, dude! Thanks for the comment!

[@Crazy-hn1sr]

What they didn’t even offer it to me

[@relaxation2380]

@@Crazy-hn1sr they don't really offer it you get an accessories book and can purchase it from the parts counter

[@keatoncyre9926]

Looking into buying one soon. Can you speak on the reliability on this vehicle? I've heard horror stories of the boxer engine 🤷🏻‍♂️ that being said, I've heard horror stories about very vehicle manufacturer lol Thank you!

[@Crazy-hn1sr]

@@keatoncyre9926 if you are not hard on the boxer and handle your the regular maintenance. These cars can run for some time. If you are looking into turbo… all turbo cars are going to have their issues. Simply because you are putting so much power into them. I bought a 1993 wagon and I loved that thing up until 250k I sold it and bought another. All my Subarus where great purchases with a great resale. Only one I had issues with, was my legacy. But I also built that to be a race car… so. Hahah highly recommend subie. I love how they drive and how safe I feel in them.

[@brettmyers1710]

While I can see the point of view of this being complainy. I found it informative. I'm contemplating getting a Wilderness soon and this gave me a lot to think about for packages and aftermarket options and choices. Just wanted to say thanks for your thoughts on this vehicle.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It could definitely come off whinny, but the things we bring up are facts and they can be annoying to some more then others. Appreciate the comment!

[@eskrima1]

I have a 2021 outback and my wife has a 2021 Crosstrek sport. Agree 100% about infotainment sys on the outback. Hate touch screen as it distracts the driver. The Crosstrek has buttons and knobs for the heated seats snd the heater. So much better. The one thing that’s a major problem in the outback especially is if the seat belt isn’t fastened the radio turns off and when you stop the car and unfasten the seatbelt the buzzer goes off when u open the door. You have to sit the door and re open it again to get it to stop. Small item but I do a lot of birding in back country and am constantly getting in and out. Forces me to just buckle the belt behind me to avoid the problem.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I should have mentioned the seat belt noise issue. It seems like it never stops and it just continues to get louder and louder. It’s definitely overkill. Thanks for the input!

[@timothydooley1550]

New to the channel.... Great Video. I agree with every point. This coming from a Jeep and Subie guy myself. Trying to convince my wife about the Wilderness Outback...

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for stopping by! It took some convincing for my wife as well and although she was impressed with its capability, she still really doesn't like the car very much. She does enjoy the gas mileage and reliability of it.

[@PSYK0MANT1S]

ACCURATE! As a Wilderness owner myself, I too have an addition to your heat issue. You have to use the Vent setting to defrost your windows. That's the setting that you can't control the heat very well until you set it below 65 degrees. If you turn it on recirculate, you can control the heat, but on cold days the car aggressively fogs up. This also happened in my 2020 Forester. It's a Subaru-thing. Also the GeoLanders are great for speed. They track really well for a road trip where you're going somewhere cross country and get good gas mileage. Plus they'll serve you well for basic off roading. I do like those K02s tho. Lastly, thank you about the Bike on hitch problem with backing up. That's good intel.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the info on the vent setting! I just think there’s some little things that can be fixed for people because this can’t be just and OBW thing that people deal with. The geolanders are good tires and I’m not taking anything away from their street manners, but for those of us who push our vehicles to the limit, we need something that’s going to get us home. Thanks for the input!

[@The.Boo.]

recirculate fogging up windows on cold days is an every car thing, not just a subaru thing.

[@KVAR42]

Ty Sir!! answered many of my questions as a new owner looking to get one. Made note, steel rims and at tires a must. Agree with many of the points that should be standard. btw, once you've stated the direction of which your view is coming from. Trollers have no reason to leave goofy comments. Thank you for your tie and post!! All the sincere best to you and your family!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the comment and kind words! Some people have nothing better to do and that's something we have to accept!

[@kingofall9262]

if I remember correctly when I preordered my outback wilderness, the remote start was an option but like you mention this should be standard. I'm not sure why Subaru is charging 300-500 extra but to me I would pay for it since it will be an investment in the long run vs using the apps. I will have to see how the touch screen function as I dont really use my infotainment other than just listen to music lol. The heat blowing after turning off, I will have to test that out. thanks for pointing these things out.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree! And get ready to use your infotainment system for everything because that’s the only way to control anything inside the vehicle.

[@Timelrd_OBW]

I think the one item that you mentioned that bothers me as well is the aux switches. Trying to wire up my lights was the biggest pain!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@robertjacobson1975]

I am right in the moment of purchasing either one and this has been helpful. I also like jeep cherokee has HUD

[@roamingwithjosh]

I wouldn’t let it deter you too much, the vehicle is really awesome and I’m really happy with the purchase. Thanks for the input!

[@robertjacobson1975]

Now leaning back toward the subaru outback wilderness, cause the cherokee doesnt come in diesel since 2019. Didnt know that.

[@texassledder]

After watching a video on how to install a hitch, that would be my #1 and its not even close....... I also believe key fob starter can be purchased as well as a 120v as options, which I've had in other vehicles and never used. Also wish they used usb-c. Thanks for the video, as i still have one on order and none of these issues would prevent me from wanting one, but all valid issues.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree. I’m still super stoked with the wilderness, just some small issues that I think they could do better on. Thanks for the input!

[@steveangelly2097]

I appreciate you voicing your opinions on the things you dislike about the Wilderness. You have the right and I respect that but whether I agree or disagree is yet to be discovered. I have had two Outbacks and looking for a third, if the are ever available. I like the options offered by the Wilderness over the (regular) Outback and do appreciate your opinions and comments. Thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

no worries and thank you for the response!

[@mr.wannabe2786]

All excellent points I agree with totally. Subaru really needs to watch this video and take detailed notes.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thank you!

[@hurryupnwait9887]

These are all really good points. I'm not comfortable with everything being wired through the infotainment system, which is probably more fragile than a home PC.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@thejonathanwaller]

Rear assist braking can be turned off I found out. With a bunch of bikes on the back I also dislike the RAB. When In reverse you push and hold the little RAB button on the screen and it switches to off. As a bonus it will stay off until you turn it back on even if you turn the ignition off. This is a handy feature if you’re leaving a trailer or bikes attached. Also, in Canada we get no options to add or remove it’s just a standard package and it comes with heated steering wheel.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the info!

[@ninjatechauto655]

I am looking into getting soon. And I 100 % agree on the remote start. Where I work, I can't take my phone with me. It has to stay in the car. So, there goes getting my car warm or cool before I get to it. I shouldn't have to pay a subscription or buy a separate key fob to use that feature if I already paid for it. Just put a damn button on the main key fob.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Preach it! I couldn’t agree more.

[@diggingwesttexas3342]

Here is your option for 110. The Stanley FatMax. It can also be used to start your vehicle if your battery dies. In addition, it's portable, has USB ports and an air compressor. It can be plugged into you cigarette lighter to recharge while you're driving if needed. Just saying.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Can you give me a link for what you're talking about? When I hear "fat max" I think tape measurer. Thanks!

[@TechGently]

I agree on the first point, we drove to Arizona near flagstaff and there are OHV trail (funny because I forgot to tell the GPS to use highways), and we ended up going through some crazy stuff, part of the road was missing, worried about no plates. Camera isn't that great, forward camera the same. I thought about this from an IT vendor perspective, they need the mfr of that camera to provide enough to cover 4-5 years of supply and "if we give them an "eh" camera, we can give them wireless CarPlay, etc." was probably the conversation somewhere in Japan. Btw, I believe (I haven't tried this) that even if the battery dies in the unit, pull out the key from the fob to open it. Then hold the fob to the circle, should still work. One feature I do like, which we used recently is going Kayaking, I disabled my key fob, threw it in my glove compartment and came back, press in a 5 digit code to get in my Subaru (I have the Onxy XT model, but sure the Wilderness has it. Welcome to the Subaru family! It's not perfect, agree with you on almost everything though.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the input and thanks for the tip! I'll check that out asap.

[@theblondeone8426]

very good review - looking at a subaru vs jeep and the screen is a major concern

[@roamingwithjosh]

Screen has been updated since this video, but it's still something to consider. Thanks for the comment!

[@deltabravo1257]

10:25 I agree on the infotainment screen. Vehicles are relying too much on the touchscreen to control everything. The touchscreen is more of a "driver distraction" than a cell phone nowadays.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I couldn't agree more

[@mapletreerocker]

In Canada, heated steering wheel is standard on Outback Wilderness. This video is thought provoking though!

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the comment!

[@romanvlkolinsky2320]

Thanks for the informative video. I own now a 2022 Outback Premium (not wilderness) but I agree with all 10 points. Plus have 2 more things that I hate. 1st., With all the remote options (gps-based car locator, remote start… ) why Subaru does not put a status switch to the sunroof that would inform me remotely on opened sunroof. If I forget to close the sunroof, the car could be inhabitable after a short rain. A simple function to inform the drive or even better , to close it remotely would be great. 2nd, after close inspection I am very disappointed by the roof rack on the outback. The crossbars rely on plastic parts constantly exposed to Sun. It is a question of time when the plastic cracks.

[@roamingwithjosh]

We agree with that!

[@miguellabayen2811]

I also own a premium..may I ask if you installed a hitch receiver?thanks

[@andysiebert31]

thank you for this. FYI: RAB is Reverse Automatic Braking, not "Rear Assisted Braking" and I hear what you're saying, but since you get the option to disable it, that solves the issue with the bike rack. but having to make that choice does seem an oversight, given how popular trailer hitch bike racks are. I wonder if that system is camera based (as I understand the Eyesight system to be). I agree buttons/dials/switches > touchscreens. there is a Remote Engine Starter option under comfort and convenience ($369). I wasn't previously aware of the Trigger auxiliary system so thanks for that! as some constructive feedback: I think this is the first video I've seen from you and I felt it could have been edited to reduce redundancies. also it wouldn't hurt to send an email to Subaru of America, as I would imagine there are others who would agree with you (at least on some points).

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate the feedback!

[@dsa4347]

I wish the regular all weather mats were available at a lower cost than having the Wilderness mats. The regular ones are more usable for day-to-day life.

[@charleschen1005]

Great reviews

[@roamingwithjosh]

Much appreciated!

[@itselijahfox]

I’m pretty sure you can switch off the emergency braking in the infotainment system. If you know you’re going to put bikes on the back, turn it off. Seems like a really nice feature overall. Would be better with a physical switch for it though.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I was able to find the off switch buried in the infotainment screen. It's a good feature to have and after you turn it off it stays off until you manually turn it back on which is nice. Thanks for the comment!

[@jameso6404]

Spot on video. I have owned numerous jeep wranglers and a 4runner. Gave the Wilderness a go. Overall? Really solid vehicle👍Especially for my day to day ski trips and it’s been solid soft sand beach runner(actually surprised)and got tested getting out of a very muddy farm field. Did solid. HATE the information center. Will be upgrading to a better AT, though maybe not BFGs due to weight calculations. Thinking Falkens. Yes! Also rock rails.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Right on! I really appreciate the feedback and agree with the thought on the Falkens.

[@MicroOutdoors]

RAB - yea i pull a trailer, now its habit to turn it off - - We have two, a forester and the OBW, the heated seats on the Forester is a switch, which is NOT controllable by the cell phone app. Because of this you have to remember to turn the seats on in the Forester before you shut down for the night. In the OBW i have full control of my seats in the phone app. - yes cam sucks - the tires are great, have them on my Super Duty FX4 in 35" load E they will last off road and work very well. -- yea key FOB start is VERY yesterday... it nice to be able to start it from inside the deer stand a mile away -- agree with the "up lifter switches" like Ford has. --- Also, thank you for posting this, before i bought one I could not find one single video on the "cons" so thank you for sharing your opinion.

[@roamingwithjosh]

No worries! Thanks for the input and perception from your standpoint.

[@linework11]

so true on everything but not a deal breaker. keep it up

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed and thank you!

[@ThePhysicalMediaFan]

I am going to definitely miss the comfort of heated steering wheel in my new Outback Wilderness. I found most of your other points are valid too! Poor camera quality (even bigger problem at night time) is another issue as well. I totally agree with you how could anyone install such bad cameras in 2021 on a fairly expensive car like this one!!

[@roamingwithjosh]

It’s the little things they missed on because the OBW is so awesome on almost every other front. Thanks!

[@brianmceachern7906]

I have one ordered and in Canada it has one

[@Venom011]

Canada has heated steering wheel as standard. We only actually get one package for the Wilderness in general here.

[@JohnDavid888]

What are you a bunch of millenials ? Just point the heating vents at your hands,..sheesh. seriously you young folks need to toughen up.

[@Databyter]

I may try to snag a Canadian wheel just to be different. I mean, if it is standard there it has to have a part number for repair, replacement right. Be the first on your American Block with a Canadian Wilderness heated wheel !

[@tinkertoysoldier6076]

I have the same issue with my 2012 Outback when I turn off the heat and still gets warm air.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It’s good to know that I’m not alone on this.

[@JoshuaHults]

Your number 10 heat coming out hot is the same on hyundai kona 2.0. It was the 1st car i noticed it on. The only fix is to switch the vent from allowing outside air to only allowing cabin air. I don’t think it’s the engine running hot as much as the way the air is circulated. The same thing actually occurs with the AC in the kona.

[@roamingwithjosh]

That’s good info. I appreciate the comment!

[@mikechandler9299]

Can you provide a link, or at least the name, of the rock rails you added? Thanks!

[@roamingwithjosh]

They are from LP aventure

[@mikechandler9299]

@@roamingwithjosh Thanks! One more question, we'll be relocating to the Prescott, AZ area later this year. Do you know a good mechanic in that area (or anywhere in AZ) who you'd trust to put the rock rails on?

[@roamingwithjosh]

I think anyone would be able to do that pretty easily. It's not hard at all and if you want you could do it in your garage. I don't know anyone specific to that area though.

[@relaxation2380]

As someone who lives in a suburban area the tires are fine! I don't miss the steering wheel heater but for the price should have came with one. Should have came with a remote start or a free app! Should have came with a regular 110v plug! But with all the things I wish it had I do believe it's just the shortage of all the parts happening. And yes mine runs hot as well which is why I don't mind not having a heated steering wheel 😆 My biggest fear of owning the outback is the screen I'm thinking of getting a screen protector

[@roamingwithjosh]

Preach! Thanks for the input!

[@GuitarOnTheRun]

I have heard so many reviewers knock the climate control and seats being tied to the infotainment system that it has prevented me from seriously looking at moving to a newer Outback from my 2019 Ascent. Hopefully Subaru hears the feedback and eventually makes a change.

[@roamingwithjosh]

It’s not the end of the world, but it is super annoying to deal with. Thanks for the input!

[@estebanjr11]

The infotertainment system stopped me from buying this car and I picked up the Forster. Much better system and better low gear trans

[@650tonyd]

@@estebanjr11 if the Forester had the turbo motor it would eat this outback for lunch I think

[@CS-uc4uu]

I've gotten used to it. I have the 11.6 inch touch screen in my 2021 outback.

[@derethknight]

What's your opinion on the transmission?

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's not great at all. It hasn't broke yet though.

[@derethknight]

@@roamingwithjosh yeah I have a 2015 outback and it struggles really hate the cvt transmission

[@camillebrenes]

My new 2024 OW (autumn forest green/black) has a heated steering wheel, so thanks for doing this video :) I owe ya! Once I adjusted the contrast and brightness of the infoscreen, moved around the icons, I actually started to like it. I have mine set so the background and brightness match my analogue gauge cluster perfectly. Keep in mind, I'm a big analog/physical control guy so I thought I would never say that. My base WRX had a minimal dual screen and more physical/analog controls, but I like this one more now ironically. What I don't like is that Subaru has gotten rid of cd players... it's ridiculous, my Ascent had one but I think that was the last year/model that did... I still like CD's! Totally agree on the key fob, it's a bit of a money grab for Subaru which bugged me and I opted out of getting the Starlink upgrade. Solid logical con's to me here. I will add that they need to be much more informative online about the towing accessories and such, type of plug, etc. etc... Subaru are terrible at that. I'll be towing an 18.5" bass boat with mine. Ill be upgrading tires and springs, for better rear tow sag and offroad performance, plus the tires and springs will give me another 1" plus lift without having to do one. Would be nice if Subaru gave you those options out of the gate. Overall they did a good job with the 2024 Wilderness but they still have details to pay attention too. Also a mountain biker and photographer btw, and I go to AZ quite often (Live in CA).

[@roamingwithjosh]

I appreciate the comment and agree with you, especially on the towing portion. They need to add the option of a 7-pin wiring harness to their vehicles. Stating a towing capacity that they have with no available trailer brake option is dangerous for people. This is something that really drives me nuts about Subaru. Get with me on instagram and let me know if you're ever in town!

[@SLDrph]

Awesome video and appreciate your feedback. I definitely agree with you on the infotainment system. I think it's a bad idea to not have traditional buttons. Screens update and all electronics get upgraded eventually. But buttons don't need to so ironically a more "primitive system" is actually more "future proof". The fact you can't choose to option it out is a bad thing from subaru. I'd actually pay extra to not have it. Thanks.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Agreed!

[@SLDrph]

@@roamingwithjosh you make awesome videos. Keep it up. I'm looking to get the wilderness too and you've been one of the most informative sources. So thank you very much man! Also I want to say again how bad idea Subaru is thinking (and other car companies too) about not having the option for traditional buttons. I don't know about you other guys but I intend to keep my Subaru for a looong time. So that means my infotainment system is definitely going to be outdated eventually. (to be honest seeing how slow it is shows it is already outdated! ) So knowing that is making me sick. I have an Acura 04 with traditional buttons and the car runs great. And it will still run great because my buttons are not broken.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I could not agree more with what you said. Their life expectancy is so long that moving everything to a technology based system could cause some serious issues down the road.

[@SLDrph]

@@roamingwithjosh Also I wanted to add that all the added technology, especially the touchscreen, which may look cool on the surface but actually can cause an accident. There are already drivers who don't pay attention and are distracted without an "entertainment system" in their car. Imagine what could happen when you give these people an added distraction. I definitely don't want to be on the road with them. I understand why people want it, but for me personally the boring buttons that give me essentially the same functions would be preferable. Keep it boring, safe, and long lasting. That's my opinion. Thanks again for making the great videos Josh!

[@daveholte7658]

Thanks for the 10 Tips. Great points and wonder why car manufacturers do such a poor job or inadequate in some areas.. What engine did you get? Maybe the 2.5L? Would you advise the 2.4 Turbo Thanks

[@roamingwithjosh]

We got the 2.4 Turbo and we love it.

[@kirstenneely9911]

I was going to purchase this vehicle last year, but had to prioritize a new truck first. Wondering if anyone thinks these things may change with the 2023 models? May be worth it to wait then perhaps?

[@roamingwithjosh]

It's hard to guess at what Subaru will do. I think their wilderness lineup did really well so to make any changes may not be a priority to them. After all they just discontinues their WRX STI which most people saw as a huge mistake so listening to their consumers may not be high on their priority list.

[@kirstenneely9911]

@@roamingwithjosh Aw thank you so much for your reply! And wow, what an astute observation. Hadn't thought of that. I think you're probably dead on lol. Kinda a shame for how much the car is. Do you think the engine is at least well worth it? I currently have a '15 crosstrek I bought new that is so slow it can't even merge onto the highway correctly lol

[@roamingwithjosh]

I think the motor is fantastic in the OBW and we come from jeeps so we feel your pain with getting on the highway and being scared for you life. That’s probably one of my wife’s biggest fears.

[@sliqindustries4782]

My Toyota does that heat thing as well, what works for me is to have the heat on till I’m comfortable then I turn the ac on to a neutral temp like 73 then turn it off and the air the continues to come out is at the 73 degree temp with the hvac system off. Might be a Japanese car thing but my 4Runner and Corolla do this but never had that issue in my keep or power wagon

[@roamingwithjosh]

I’ll give that a shot! I don’t have that issue in my gladiator either.

[@bglenn1983]

The issue is you have to turn it to recirculate and then turn off, so you don't get free air through the system

[@DaDaDo661]

The hot air from the vents issue has been an issue on all my cars. Chrysler, Ford,Subaru. It's very common. I always just set it to front windshield setting

[@roamingwithjosh]

Thanks for the input!

[@danahill7546]

As someone who is thinking about buying a OW and who just got back from CO where I rented a Jeep Willys I’ll say that rock rails saved me twice. If I didn’t have them I would have had to pay out of pocket for doing some serious damage to that Jeep. Oh and I’ll say that I had no idea what a Jeep was capable of but I totally understand now.

[@roamingwithjosh]

They're incredible machines that's for sure.

[@mtnrunner2]

I'm a 2013 Outback owner and I like mine, I also think these are good criticisms, and I hope Subaru hears them. I'm not really convinced that Subaru is positioning this vehicle the way you are stating, it seems more incremental to me, like a small step in that direction. There are also multiple shades between rock crawler and outdoorsy station wagon. Specifics: I'm pretty sure nobody's backup camera knows about some rando rack the owner put on the back. I'm with you on the fob starter. And bad computer screens/interfaces. Feature I like: it seems this model handles steeper climbs better without slipping, or so I've seen. Suggestion I like: keep some of the basic features like starting the car mechanical vs. app. I love smart tech, but it doesn't have to totally replace everything.

[@roamingwithjosh]

I agree and I appreciate the input!

[@peteivkovic]

For your seats, press and hold seat heat icon to put your heat all on or all off, and the timeout for the screen to close itself is fast.

[@roamingwithjosh]

Awesome, thank you!

[@Doc1855]

My 73 Chevy pickup had a huge hole in the floor board. I bought a large rubber mat so when I hit a puddle my feet didn’t get wet

[@roamingwithjosh]

I prefer that kind of situation.

[@isnowboard167]

Hit the recirculate button when you turn off the fan and that will solve the blowing issue

[@roamingwithjosh]

Appreciate it!

[@calgarycolt]

Heated steering wheel comes standard in the Wilderness in Canada( it gets really cold ), but Canada cannot get TPMS on any trim of Outback.

[@roamingwithjosh]

There has to be logic behind these decisions, I just don’t can’t find it. Thanks for the input!

[@randoorlando443]

Heck the way I look at it, the people who dont like constructive criticism dont like these issues being fixed and it's great that you point all of these out hopefully subaru will take wind of these videos

[@roamingwithjosh]

Much appreciated!