10 Things - The Shining: The Lost Version

[@patricktilton5377]

Two things: 1) Having Hallorann be the villain actually goes back to the book. In the novel, Hallorann shows up, only to be bashed in the face by Jack's roque mallet. Then Jack corners Danny, only to be reminded that he hadn't dumped the boiler recently, forcing him to get down to the basement -- but too late to prevent it from exploding. Then Wendy and Danny flee with Hallorann (who is still alive), going to the utility shed to get some gas for the snowmobile -- the didn't have a Sno-Cat in the book -- and the evil spirits of the hotel make the pain Hallorann feels from the roque mallet bashing he'd gotten throb all-the-more, and he ALMOST starts to 'turn' and get violent with Danny . . . yet he snaps out of it, realizing that the same forces that used Jack's alcoholism against him were using Hallorann's PAIN to get HIM to act violently. So, Kubrick was adapting this notion in that earlier draft when he contemplated having Hallorann be -- or, become -- the villain. It's not as if he traveled all the way from Miami just to try to murder the Torrances. It's just that the hotel's haunting presences were in full swing by the time he arrived there, that it affected him so strongly that he couldn't shake it. 2) The scene where Wendy sees the cobwebbed skeletons in the darkened lobby is a direct 'echo' of the final scenes of the movie THE RULING CLASS, which starred Peter O'Toole. I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but the movie's free to watch on KZbin, and every fan of Kubrick's version of THE SHiNiNG owes it to himself to see this other film, which Kubrick purposely 'steals' that shot from. The themes of that earlier film were important to an understanding of the dynamic between guys like Jack Torrance and the 'House' -- i.e. the 'Powers-That-Be' who run the hotel and who reward faithful 'service' provided to them (i.e. the murders committed by Charles Grady and Jack). One might refer to the "others" whom Grady mentions -- just before he lets Jack out of the Pantry -- as the 'ruling class', those spoiled aristocrats who party in the Gold Room, enjoying their afterlives which were won at the expense of the slaughtered Natives whose land had been stolen and desecrated in order for the hotel to exist. "All the best people," Ullman calls them.

[@pedestrianandroid]

I read that but I didn’t remember that detail about the shed until you brought it up and great tip about ruling class

[@Chefsandrajm]

Ok wow!

[@Jimmy1982Playlists]

Finally saw _Ruling Class_ several months ago, on the Criterion Channel, and it's an absolute masterpiece! Had such an important message, too.

[@davidmotleyjester]

thank you thank you Patrick

[@patricktilton5377]

@@davidmotleyjester You're most welcome, David. I'm assuming you seen THE RULING CLASS by now, and can see what I'm referring to from it. Peter O'Toole, in an interview on the Dick Cavett Show, described that film as a Comedy with Tragic relief. It certainly does take a turn for the very very dark towards the end. I can see why Kubrick felt it worthwhile to 'steal' that shot of the cobwebbed Overlook lobby from the end scenes of THE RULING CLASS.

[@AtheistOrphan]

My girls Minty, didn’t much care for The Shining. One of them got a pack of matches and tried to burn it down. But I CORRECTED her Minty.

[@lisapoole5420]

I was 9 when it came out. My brother, who was 14 saw it in theaters and replayed it to me scene by scene. Sometime later, I was at a theater seeing something else and snuck into the theater where the Shining was playing- just for a minute. It was the red bathroom scene. I'll never forget it. Funny thing is my mom let me see the Exorcist, but I didn't get to see the Shining until a few years later.

[@skylined5534]

"Are you aware, Mr Torrance, that your son is attempting to bring an outside party into this situation?"

[@lisapoole5420]

@@skylined5534 Yes!!!!

[@AtheistOrphan]

One of the most bizarre things about this film for me is Halloran’s love of English folk rock! The Steeleye Span LP ‘Commoner’s Crown’ can be seen on the floor by his bed in Florida.

[@saulobonilla6518]

Such a rare glimpse watching Horace Derwent and the Bear Man reading the script! 18:55

[@tristanlaferriere5194]

What are these clips from?

[@katieloveslv2888]

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[@riga_tony]

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[@1pcfred]

The Shining is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

[@AtheistOrphan]

If you’re a fan of The Shining and haven’t watched the Vivian Kubrick documentary about the making of this classic film then I can highly recommend it, and her ‘Director’s commentary’ on it adds even more insights.

[@theterminaldave]

Collative Learning has some awesome stuff too, the Gold Room, etc. And one analysis that's more disturbing than i was hoping for.

[@thisisnotachannel]

That documentary cemented Shelly Duvall as the most professional, the toughest, and all around greatest actress of our time. What she had to put up with from Stanley Kubrick is the stuff of legend... and we got one hell of an unforgettably haunting performance out of it!

[@pedestrianandroid]

what happened to Vivian Kubrick ? Somewhere I read Stanley was begging her to get out of scientology. Then he died suddenly 🤔

[@AtheistOrphan]

@@pedestrianandroid - All I know is that she was on set for Full Metal Jacket, filming a similar ‘making-of’ documentary which was never completed. I don’t pay any attention to crazy conspiracy theories though, his cause of death is well documented, and there is no evidence whatsoever that she has ever been involved in Scientology. (Apart from nutjob conspiracy websites of course). And furthermore who would have records of private conversations between the notoriously reclusive and private father and his daughter? Treat such rubbish with the contempt it deserves.

[@thisisnotachannel]

@@AtheistOrphan Your profile pic seems more "Anti-theistic" than "Atheistic"... and I'm 100% on board with that!

[@DMichaelAtLarge]

Why in the world would I want a "snappier" cut of "The Shining"? The whole genius of the movie is the slow burn that keeps you on the edge of your seat the whole time.

[@leafbelly]

Right? I’d watch a four hour version. Haha

[@leamanc]

Yeah, I understand that’s the version Minty first saw and that’s why he likes it. But in all honesty it’s a terrible cut.

[@mycroftholmes7863]

You wouldn’t

[@MAGGOT_VOMIT]

LOL!! No Minty..........You........have always been, The Caretaker, sir. 🤣

[@JustinEvitable80]

@@MAGGOT_VOMIT He's also a scammer.

[@choriajackson8004]

Hey,Minty.. Good morning from American... Happy Turkey Day!!!love the Shining..💯❣️🦃👁️🔥

[@mattdiehl1836]

Actually in the book Halloran isnt evil but gets somewhat possesed by the hotel and thinks about killing Danny.

[@akashik8133]

Awesome breakdown of the Lost Version! It is a real look into the genius of Stanley Kubrick and his creative process. This one of my favorite movies and you brought up points I never knew about - thank you for the work and time to tell us all about it. I agree - Holoran as the bad guy was a terrible idea. The ending that was cut and permanently removed is recreated in Doctor Sleep and I wish Kubrick left it in the original. Again great video - many thanks!

[@christophervassiliades5960]

I am one of the lucky few who saw the film opening night and remember the hospital scene at the end very well. The ending we are currently left with always feels incomplete to me after my initial experience. Maybe it will turn up someday!

[@ppiorkowski1502]

@christophervassiliades5960 you are fortunate to have seen that version because I don't believe it played for as long as Minty claims. I watched a documentary on the making of The Shining and it said that Kubrick decided to take that scene out on the same night it premiered and that he actually started while the film was being played. I remember this distinctly because it explained the process of taking it out at certain times while the film was playing. I don't remember too many details but I believe it was said that there were two reels of film to show the film and it was obviously cut from the second reel while the first was playing. I don't know why they wouldn't just wait until the next day but Kubrick seemed like the type that didn't wait for anything in life.

[@christophervassiliades5960]

@@ppiorkowski1502 I understand from Kubrick's brother-in-law that he had someone riding around Long Island in a limousine and rushing up to the projection booths to make the appropriate cuts before the evening shows. I am indeed lucky to have seen it. I mentioned this to the Burns girls recently (the twins) and THEY have never seen it. Several actors in that scene are listed in the credits (the nurse and policeman) who never appear in the current version of the film. The footage may be locked away in the Kubrick archives somewhere, but Christiane hasn't hinted at ever releasing it.

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

It’s meant to feel somewhat incomplete to leave what you are seeing open to interpretation.

[@RichardSekmistrz]

What is all that behind-the-scenes stuff at the end? It looks weird like a recreation? That seems unreal but real. I would like to see it all - where is it from?

[@juanitolopez9731]

Like you, I watched the European cut many times before being aware that an extended cut existed. When finding out, I looked for it in the Internet, and was able to watch it. The story makes more sense because it gives us more information, specially in the long sequence with the woman doctor. But the rest of it is basically superficial. I have the European version, with the Vivian Kubrick's documentary and another two features on the making of the film. I have read the novel many times, seen the film even more times, and it stands among my ten favourite horror films of all time. Great review. I learnt a lot of new facts about THE SHINING, and you deliver it with humour. Hallorann as the villain...??? PLEASE!!! I can't agree more with you. 👍👍👍

[@sneslover4158]

Which cut do you prefer, and is it worth checking out the US cut?

[@kirkross9871]

Thanks, Minty! I find this type of information very interesting! Until today, I never realized there were multiple versions of the movie. The only differences I was aware of were between King's novel, Kubrick's production & the TV mini series.

[@animalking28]

This is Definitely a good horror movie and another novel I need to read by Stephen King! Good to know that there are Lost versions of this movie and possibly other movies as well. Good job Mr. Minty!!

[@crowkiller0668]

Sorry to get hung up on this small point. But the Grady twins are not twins. They say in both the book & Kubrick’s movie, they are sisters aged 8 & 10.

[@rustneversleeps85]

Like you I grew up with the European cut and by accident I caught the full version on Tv one night as adult, and it completely blew me away. I don't know what it was, but I never felt it dragged on, weirdly enough it felt more complete somehow and I was more immersed in the story unfolding.

[@bobfin]

Wait a minute! What was that 'fishtail footage' of the making of the shining where "actors are playing the actors" behind the scenes?!? Where can I see that?

[@tristanlaferriere5194]

Have you figured that out? I want to see it too!

[@katieloveslv2888]

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[@barrydaugherty5528]

19:27 What is this from? It looks like documentary footage but seems too new. So I assume it’s a recreation/montage but from where? Thanks! I’ve been enjoying your videos. Keep it up!

[@Sumermak]

Look up Vivian Kubrick shining documentary

[@barrydaugherty5528]

@@Sumermak I’ve seen that one. The footage at the time I share is not from that

[@katieloveslv2888]

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[@riga_tony]

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[@bodiejay2859]

I actually slept in the Stanley Hotel (many times) in Estes Park, Colorado where The Shining was filmed and the place is very beautiful and the place is definitely haunted. There were sounds of children running up and down the hall during the night, you could hear things moving in the room. ~Kevin

[@Grandizer8989]

I thought that they just used the exterior?

[@bodiejay2859]

No, not at all.

[@EddieCelis-pz6ou]

Wow! Now that's a really haunting 'icky-britishiky' narrative voice there! On to the next...

[@catoblepag]

I feel that the sudden cut to the indian mask on the wall would've haunted my nightmares for years - much more than the twins. It's exactly the kind of stuff that creeps me out.

[@KianGamerTV]

Great video. You can tell a lot of work was put into this.

[@sepheronx]

what an awesome video mate. Love your videos. I had zero idea about any of these from the Shining. I would say I am glad that most of these were scrapped but it is still pretty cool to hear of the alternative of could be. The part about the lady in the bathtub part and Jacks encounter was actually pretty interesting and could have worked.

[@Anyonewhos]

My favourite of your videos are these about the shinning. I found I've watched them the most. Cheers Mark! More more more!

[@paulcanning4702]

Ha ha ,The Shinning, you mean the Shinnin maybe like a true Simpsons fan....

[@JR-zp3nw]

@@paulcanning4702 Shhh You want to get sued?

[@deathshead357]

The "I've been sleep-walking again, dear" quote that the dead lady in the bath was supposed to say comes from the book (though she doesn't say it), Medoc, are you here? I've been sleep-walking again,my dear The plants are moving under the rug It's the inhuman monsters that I fear.

[@jimmymelendez1836]

I've always been fascinated with that little poem but I have always wondered who was Medoc. And the thing about the plants moving and the inhuman monsters make it a stuff of nightmares.

[@barrymurphy1337]

Brilliant video Minty! Like you I grew up with the European cut and while I've known of the US version for many years I've obviously never seen it as that scene with Wendy and the skeletons is news to me! Wild!

[@Feltlion]

Hey Minty, thanks for posting such great videos. 🦃

[@flyingnone633]

Old directors NEVER DIED, they just pester the will to live out of me!

[@jeffreysmith694]

Thought I knew everything about The Shining but this was amazing. Definitely the best work of Minty's ever. One bone to pick and it's with almost every content creator discussing The Shining. The Grady Twins is incorrect. While the girls portraying the sisters were actual twins in the movie the are mentioned as 8 and 10 years old by Ullman the Overlook's manager to Jack. Everyone makes this mistake. Thanks for this extensive look at all the versions of this masterpiece.

[@GnrMilligan]

Cheers Mark,as always well put together,interesting content!

[@user-rk1qh2us1x]

Hey, Mint-o-rama! Over the past 3 weeks I’ve watched nearly every vid you have. Can’t get enough Minty! How about 1973’s “The Legend of Hell House”, based off of the scariest Richard Matheson book I’ve ever read. It’ll make you go minty pancakes!

[@Justin_L_Smith_]

I'm liking these "Lost Version" vids, Minty.

[@ingersollelliott]

Bravo Minty! I’d never heard of this! A great show worthy of this relic of a script. It reminds me of when I saw “ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD.” Much of the music was missing. A week later (according to a friend) the whole film had music. I’ll pass on info on that if I can!

[@booradley4237]

I worked at the Stanley when I was a teen, before I had ever heard of this movie

[@brianmoney410]

Great comparison Minty!! Thank you for creating.

[@brianbrewer5371]

I remember the night me n my friend rob saw the movie.we we're with family at a go kart track and people were giving us a hard time bcuz we leaving early....glad we went to see da movie

[@lthibault]

Very interesting thank you. FYI that radio was a big VHF base station not that Radio Shack vintage CB

[@derkeheath5172]

In another draft of the script Wendy sees Grady's wife in mirrors, warning her that her family is in danger.

[@bushwood1676]

Great film

[@paulsimpson3113]

Here in the UK I also wondered what people on KZbin were talking about. I much prefer the US cut, I do agree about the skeletons but I put up with that scene to gain the other bits

[@CrashTv3166]

Yo minty editing is getting way better it was good before but I see you going to another level . Good job keep it up

[@waynegoddard4065]

The Shining and The Thing break my brain. Still great films but my head hurts.

[@bobbyokeefe4285]

So there is most merit to the "Wendy Theory"the idea that Wendy was all along the one harming the family,the number 1 of this list low key confirms it,cool.

[@DavesArtRoom]

To me, this shows that Kubrick evolved the script, to enable his many themes, and codes, like The Apollo theme, and The Wendy Theory. Kubrick was fascinated by codes and symbols. He would take many films of the same scene so as to pick which scenes that he wanted to arrange to make many layers of stories in his movies.

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

I admit not knowing the US cut version...gotta search for it

[@JediBunny]

I friggin love The Shining. Very intrigued to see the UK edit as I grew up with only the US one and would love to see it with different pacing!

[@alistertowelie]

KIng's habit of having most all kids "shine' just makes me feel some special type of way. i am an autistic adult, diagnosed in childhood. i love the whole "shining"... of special kids if you know what i mean

[@durnanironknuckles1617]

I think it makes sense because Hoalaran was around the hotels influence longer and Wendy was Pop-Eyes ex, Blutos ex... so she is definitely a modern day crazy 🤪 dating app girl.

[@super1million11]

I actually like the skeleton scene. I feel it adds to the movie in the way that it shows all these ghosts that have been making jack feel the hotel was alive and lived in are really just dead and forgotten people that can’t really do anything for anyone. At least that is the best way I can explain how that scene makes me feel when I see it.

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

They can scare the shit out of Wendy. Her visions are the only thing that gives me doubt that Jack had “the Shining” himself and that perhaps he was just targeted by the hotel in a different way than Wendy was.

[@merkinsniffs]

Nice to see Kubrick made all the right decisions

[@brownwrench]

Stanley about drive poor Shelley Duvall over the edge with the "gimme the bat, Wendy" scene takes

[@insearthanamesaheera5712]

Man i love hearing the "roundabout" info of films.

[@ralphiecifaretto8961]

One thing I don't think Kubrick should have cut out is Jack finding the scrapbook. That's very important to the original story. They filmed it. I'm sure just another 2 minutes wouldn't have ruined the film.

[@laurababyyy1]

I agree. I mean,it’s the most beautiful thing of the overlook,there’s a reason Jack read the book til three in the morning.

[@coreyhendricks9490]

Happy Thanksgiving Minty, Cool Video As Always, Take Care

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

In 2018, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".

[@removingthevailbro.leonard8044]

Did anyone see part 2 called...Doctor sleep" staring Ewen McGregor. Very good sequel

[@jimmymelendez1836]

I did.

[@ericmoore571]

I was nine, almost ten, when this came out and I was on a third year college reading level and I read The Shining but my mom said the movie would be too scary for me. She hadn't read the book herself or she probably wouldn't have let me read it either! It's still one of my favorite stories, whether on film or in print.

[@BrotherJP333SP]

If we only saw the Euro cut, we' d think The Shining was a haunted hotel story. Even old fans might still think the move is about a haunted hotel as apposed to an abusive father.

[@framesdaimaginacao]

One of my FAVORITE movies! Here's Johnny!

[@HRHtheDude]

My second favourite film ever. I actually prefer that the US cut is slower to start because when it does ramp up, the contrast itself is part of the unsettling feel to the film. Fun fact: In the book, the chapter Room 217 starts on page 217, I love that! Easily my favourite book.

[@deathshead357]

What is your favourite film?

[@HRHtheDude]

@@deathshead357 The Empire Strikes Back.

[@Sunriru]

i grew up on the us version. i do like the more drawn out experience. i feel like you get more drawn in to the characters

[@BrotherJP333SP]

I didn't know about the ghost version of the film but there are not any ghosts tormenting Jack or Danny. They cut it down to a basic spooky hotel. I'm glad I never saw the Euro version of The Shining and got to enjoy the human psychological ride where we hope Danny's father can abuse him sexually and physically any more.

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

I remember always watching the Euro cut and out of no where i rent a DVD and it was the US run. I was shocked that it had new scenes.

[@trope5105]

someday ill actually sit down and watch this movie! i seen it once or twice when i was super young, but i dont really remember much, if anything about it. last time i seen it was when i was like 10 maybe back round 97

[@ausomeaspie]

I have a theory that the overlook Hotel is Hell and Lloyd the Barman is the Devil.

[@MatMat-qi2rd]

I am more used to watching the European version of this masterpiece. I saw the US version only a few years ago and it contains some wonderful scenes such as the doctor interview (❤) and the long shot of Wendy bringing breakfast to Jack (❤). I can do without the skeletons scene though. Now ... Id like to see the first US cut... but it's a lost version unfortunately 😢

[@Jman417]

Halleran was played by a chittlin Circuit performer called scatman crothers. I am glad he was not the villain. The story would have suffered from that. Rest in peace Mr. Crothers.

[@thegreenbird795]

WENDY? YOU'VE GOT A BIG SURPRISE COMING TO YOU!

[@allybrown3258]

I always thought he freaked out because they could make a sequel and didn't want to deal with one because of the drama of the first one

[@thalia7104]

Living in Europe, I only ever have seen the European version; I just learned probably because of KZbin about the U.S.-version. Would like to see it.

[@NGMonocrom]

Nice one, Minty.

[@noahsternchos]

Memory is fallible! I have a distinct memory of watching the ending hospital scene. Is this scene in the book? Maybe I imagined the scene when reading the novel a long time ago.

[@SnoopEastwood]

The more shining the better! The U.S. is the far better version!!!!!!!!!

[@westernsaloon1112]

The Shining, upon its opening weekend, was outshined in the box office by Friday the13th. In which the female protagonist that was attacked by little Jason on the lake, awakes in the Hospital, realizes no body has been found, and proclaims "He's still out there." Probably just enough of a coincidence to drive the perfectionist Kubrick off his rocker. Possibly fever-dreaming him to pull and change the ending. Not something that would be out of character for such an eccentric persona.

[@henrykujawa4427]

That sounds like EXACTLY why he did it!

[@stevedallas4942]

Stanley Kubrick's adaptation is pure genius!!! Much better than the book ( I rarely say that ). However, there was a supreme version that neither Kubrick nor King could top... The Shinning with Groundskeeper Willie. 👍👍👍👍👍👻

[@BigBruiser02]

PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME what that footage was from at the VERY ENDING of THIS video that showed like a POV of what the set would have looked like while the shooting was going on such as everyone including Wendy getting her make up on, the Grady twins walking around, Danny playing like a little boy would, Etc.,Etc.,etc.. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Tell me where this is from

[@beaushaver3779]

That's strange usually the blood gets off at the third floor. - The Simpsons

[@kabluey_louie1718]

I would love to see you do a fallow up video talking about Doctor Sleep

[@alvinmiller9038]

Never knew there was a European cut of the film. Now I want to see it. Just to compare it to the American version.

[@fitnessabcvideo]

This film is genuis, Kubrick removes this film pretty far away from Stephen king's original work, in my opinion for the better. Kubrick has so much hidden in this film we may never really know what he was saying.

[@djmexicanodetx2195]

Happy Thanksgiving!

[@ITSAHARDNUGLIFE]

Watching the film on network TV as a kid, it seems we had the American cut to fill in the time and commercial breaks. Also the lady in 237 had different edits where you could see her bosoms from afar but the rest of the scene skipped, whereas in another version, it was blurred out but the rest of the scene kept in.

[@zuitsuit80]

Where is that dramatized behind the scenes walkthrough footage from? That looked cool.

[@anthonydileonardo8156]

HALLORAN AS THE VILLAIN???? WHAT WAS STANLEY SMOKING????

[@bradcrosby3435]

Good one Minty! Great job man! Thanks 🤙

[@benjaminvalenti1242]

I love the original the American version but I also love another version and vision of this movie I love the 1997 version that Stephen King finally made his own take on his novel and I know it's not the one everyone else loves but I really thought that that one was really good too

[@mikecassell8953]

I know for a fact that I saw a version of the shining years ago that had a scene near the beginning where Jack abuses Danny. I know I didn’t imagine this but I can’t find a reference to it anywhere.

[@alistertowelie]

the shining and IT are my two favorite of King's books, with special mention to Carrie. and IT and the shining do absolutely exist in the same universe

[@bobgreystoke316]

In Misery (book), Annie mentions the events of Jack Torrance and The Overlook too.

[@1015Elvis]

was that footage near the end part of the behind the scenes or something entirely different

[@michaelrae9599]

I like your take that the hotel purposefully finds people as a sacrifice. Then, the history of violence that Jack had would be the reason why he was chosen, so as to make him look like a crazy murderer. Otherwise, I don't think they could convince people to stay if they knew the history.

[@daylanjones4770]

Could be that the hospital ending was too close to the ending of The Changeling 1980? A similar (very good) haunted house film. You should review it Minty.

[@fredblowers9141]

When watching the movie, when did you realize that you were watching what Jack was typing?

[@ivane5110]

Hey, Minty, have you seen and reviewed the US TV movie version? With the guy from the TV show, Wings, as Jack Nicholas' character? I hear it's more source accurate. I saw it but I don't recall much about it, other than getting creeped out by parts, but I don't think anywhere near as much. But it was a 2 night event, lasting about 4 hours total, if I recall.

[@davec2470]

13:18 What was that reflection moving in the mirror behind Lloyd the bartender. It's on the left side. I never noticed it before and am going to have to watch it again.

[@joechiodi5529]

One of the ghosts walking around at the party in the ballroom.

[@jsurovy]

I loved the skeletons!

[@christopherhawkins6985]

minus the jack abuse i would like to see this version with all of the extra spooky stuff

[@MozartShakespeareEinstein]

That's strange, the blood usually gets off on the third floor

[@gregmeyer9595]

Interesting you brought up Wendy being the one who descended into madness, Kubrick was notorious for literally placing every item in his shots and there is a video on KZbin that explains how every time she was actually hallucinating the set changed. Kubrick was in a class by himself, it would be just like him to hide the true psycho in plain sight.

[@slcRN1971]

I watched that KZbin version. How all the time, it was Wendy who was the complete ‘Crazy’. This alternate version was so very interesting, that it could have been a great film too. So very glad that the villain was not Hallorann!!

[@johngalt2069]

Once you learn the Wendy theory you will never see the movie in the same way. Much like The Sixth Sense you see a different perspective on rewatching it. I think Kubrick intentionally left interpretation to the viewer. Which is why he’s a master at his craft.

[@ammercedes3591]

Rob Ager (Collative Learning) has a great video about why the "Wendy theory" is trash, he debunks the idea really thoroughly. He's a great film analyst so I'd definitely recommend checking out his videos about The Shining.

[@gregmeyer9595]

@@ammercedes3591 I've watched it and actually replied to it, he does have some great videos but that one I personally rejected the premise of many of the reasons he gave to oppose that theory. Kubrick literally placed almost every item in every shot, so it's impossible that so many "mistakes" would be made on one of his movies. But to each their own. Thanks, be safe