10 Things you NEED to know about your Sony A7IV & FX30

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10 Things you NEED to know about your Sony A7IV & FX30
These can be some amazing tips about your camera that you may not actually know about.
The sony cameras have some features that may actually be quite hidden in the menu system.
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[@jer3006]

Needed this refresher; the a7IV has taught me my brain is not big enough to retain all the features and menus! Thank you for picking only ten to present- and presenting them well.

[@invi_carlos]

I never saw the use for S&Q, but you just blew my mind with the potential. Thank you Mr. Morris!

[@moniquebeastie]

Another solid video! Thank you for sharing.

[@leobalderrama_]

You're the best!! Thanks a lot for these tips. I am with my FX30 have 2 days and studying a lot with your videos.

[@MakingImagery]

This was a massive help mate! Love your work thanks for sharing!! Big Fan!!

[@TheThaiLife]

This was so useful and great, thank you.

[@p0ggles]

Your videos are so full of good information! I’m more stills, but because of this channel I’m hoping to break into video now. Great stuff, Brotha!

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Thanks for watching my bro

[@josesixpac8433]

Always helpful. Thanks for the S&Q and focus tips. Love my 7iv, still learning it's parameters. But , I'm here to talk about that sweet shelving/cabinet setup behind you lol. sorry for the hijack. But I am totally digging it as the prefect work/storage space. any links?

[@ChrisMitchells_FlyingCameras]

Im latet to the FX-30 scene Jason but this video was extremely helpful! Thank you!

[@liamsteel]

very informative brilliant thank you kiwi man

[@tuan056585]

Thank for your tips.👍

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Thank you for watching

[@RaymondToms]

Hi Jason. Great video again. Picking up on one point. FYI Clear image zoom on my FX6 does auto focus and eye track. Shame about not on my A7iv though.

[@mu-ma-in]

I think one should mention that you are getting into the diffraction limit when using an aperture of 22 (or even 16) for long exposure times. Better to use ND.

[@nicolasnate1102]

Hi thx a lot for tips!!! But what kind of Lens do you use or recommand for the New sony FX 30 ??? Thx !!

[@dualtaudiovisuallab5022]

Genial. Excelentes recomendaciones.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Thanks for watching

[@DmitriFilms]

For time lapse I still do individual shots on my Sony A7IV. Reason is because I get RAW images. Yes, DaVinci resolve cannot read Sony RAW files, but it can do DNG. Using Adobe's free DNG converter program, I can take those timelapse shots, convert them to DNG, then drag and drop all the converted images into the timeline. DaVinci reads the stills as a single CinemaDNG clip. Now you get RAW controls when grading in post. Yes it's a larger file size, yes it's a few more steps, but when you're trying to get that nice motion blur and you're over exposed, it's nice to have that extra control. Also, unlike in S&Q mode, you can actually utilise the entire sensor, giving you the flexibility for reframing. Plus the stills are greater resolution that the S&Q clip.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

The old school way is always better for image quality for sure. Just a longer process

[@AMomentInTimeProductions]

That's a pretty helpful tip there, one thing i notice with the Sony Fx30 is PP7 and PP8 are gone from the picture profile, so i guess when shooting Log you don't use any picture profiles like before and just stet your Picture Profile to NONE!!.. Not sure if that is the way but that is what i'm guessing..

[@aalbinmohamed]

Thanks for the tips 👍🏼 I have a request if possible to show or let us know how to shoot in portrait on a RS3 gimbal along with camera cage and make the gimbal stable for. I had searched a lot and couldn’t find a proper video on youtube

[@tobaoduwaiye]

This is one of the best videos I have watched on Sony a7iv. I'm going to shoot timelapse tonight 🕺

[@RaphealPersaud]

Thanks for this Jason. Does anyone know if USCC Streaming is a thing on the FX3?

[@fewo00]

You can do clear image zoom with FX3.

[@LeonUnity]

Adding to this you can most definitely do it with the A7SIII too, I know because I've used it like 50 times on APS-C and Super35 lenses to remove the vignette without cropping the full 1.5 and still shooting in 4K. I know on the FX30 you can clear image zoom to x2.0 in HD though, so maybe he meant that?

[@ball_a29000]

Great Video, keep it up :) ¿Como estás?

[@smryt9728]

Hey I think you misspoke when you said the fx3 and a7siii can’t do Clear Image Zoom, they most definitely can. I think what you meant to say is that they can’t do APSC Crop mode in 4k. Regardless, great vid jason!

[@ciudadanosdelcosmos]

Hi,,good video,,what do you think about the mecanical shutter vs electronic shutter( fx30) , i readed some issues with last, and no focus mapping option in fx30? thanks

[@MichelleUretsky]

Hey, Jason. Question... I have been looking into a cage, but I am not sure if I really need it... but, I found out that I have carpal tunnel... so I was wondering if you know of anything that I can add to the A7IV to make it easier or more comfortable to hold? I do mostly photography, but some video for my upcoming YT channel/podcast. I may be moving more into video as I go, but still lots of photography. I do have a lovely tripod, as well... but I do like to shoot handheld. Any chance you might have some ideas for me? Also, I was hoping to find a great microphone... and I bought a Shure SM7B on Amazon for Black Friday, but I am wondering if I should not have bought a microphone that would attach to the camera instead. I also grabbed a Zoom H6 and a hot shoe adapter for that. What do you think? Should I order a different mic and return the other? Which would you recommend for high quality sound. I am hoping to be able to use it for everything--including recording podcast audio, music/vocals, environmental sounds, and sounds made by water and pens (I review tea and fountain pens).

[@GalazM]

the streaming option is great, just make sure you´re in a cool room, because it overheats quick

[@fedtartexterminator3851]

I have a full frame 50mm lens on a Sony fx30 super 35 do I still set the focal length on ibis at 50mm? Or do I times the full frame focal length of 50 by 1.5 making the ibis 75mm?

[@ChevroletEpica]

Thank you

[@gingersmedia]

The "lower" bitrate in S&Q mode is the compression rate in the final output framerate, meaning that once the footage is converted in camera, you're actually getting more data per frame as opposed to simply using the higher frame rate options in the standard movie mode. You may need to pixel peep to spot the differences in some cases, but thats where the give and take lies with S&Q vs regular high FPS shooting

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Thanks for sharing this my friend

[@gingersmedia]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema no problem, just learned about it myself recently. You essentially trade a little bit of detail for sound, all about what suits your needs more for a given project. Your initial review is part of what motivated me to buy the FX30 in the first place, have been loving it so far, keep up the great work Jason!

[@JosephDragunov]

My a6400 seems to depreciate in picture quality in S&Q. But that could be a limitation of that camera specifically as opposed to a more powerful one.

[@UNKW0N]

@@JosephDragunov a6500 s&q has lower bitrate than normal video mode. You can calculate yourself. Record x amount of footage lets say 10sec check your file size lets say its 125MB file than /10 and *8 you will get the 100Mbps if you want to know the frame size divide by the framerate. In fx30 s&q gives you significantly more data than normal videomode

[@happy1wandering]

Thanks for sharing this! Does the animal/bird eye autofocus still work with S & Q ?

[@bartmolenaar]

Thanks for the nice video! Can somebody tell me how to use Proxy files with the Sony A7iv together with Final Cut Pro X on Mac? Can you select your proxies in FCPX? Or is the only option to use the proxies created by FCPX itself? I can't find the option to select the proxies created by the Sony. FCPX Takes forever to create the proxies, so to use the proxies from the Sony, would be great!

[@foothills1008]

Is there a way to not have the crop on the A7IV for video? IS there a way to use S and Q without a CF Express A card ?

[@nommiezorba]

Hi thank you for the info. Im unable to bring my fps to 1 I can only go down to 3 any ideas on why that is?

[@danielirvine7468]

Hi can’t find the focus mapping on the FX3 is it not available with my camera?

[@Stasiek_Zabojca]

13:33 It's very untrue that focus mapping works only with selected Sony lenses. It works fine on my A7IV with my cheap AF Samyang lenses. About proxies, there is one important thing to keep in mind; if you are already recording on the speed limit of your SD card, proxies require additional bitrate, so you may have to step down with recording quality. You probably can revord it to different card, but if you use just one or record to both cards at the same time, it's a problem.

[@mu-ma-in]

It definitely doesn't work with Sigma lenses like the 19mm f2.8.

[@unreal_m11]

I have an FX3 but I always get noise in blacks, even daylight, do you know how to fix it? I usually expose between 1.3 and 2.0

[@Aqua-de1rc]

How is the FX30 already out in Aussie and mine is still in preorder in Indo... probably would've been faster if I ordered one from Aus instead... love the content!

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Yeah not sure. I would imagine prioritising larger selling countries like Canada, UK, US and australia. Not sure

[@conspire260]

sound treatment

[@TheMatthewhardy]

The a7s3 and FX3 can do clear image zoom. You won’t get true 4k but it’s hard to tell when you aren’t shooting charts

[@ioneplay4695]

Hello. Could you please advice if i'll use a7iv in crop mode should i use aps-c lens for better quality or i can use FF lens as well?

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Either. Doesn’t matter on if it’s full frame or aps-c. As long as the lens itself is quality. Lenses vary in quality

[@sydneyraab]

Could you please do a video on talking head video settings for beginners for cameras like the Sony a74. I just bought the a74 and can't seem to get it to look high end and best to its ability. I also bought a v90 card and somehow I don't get the footage on my MacBook. It would be so helpful to maybe have like a beginners guide for people that need to start big right away and that can't take they're time learning. Maybe have any recommendations for creators that touched that topic?

[@VicLabs]

1) what kind of lighting do you have? If you don’t have a key light with a soft box, you’re not going to have a good time. Find a cheap Godox or amaran light, light stand and a parabolic soft box. 2) change your record settings to 4K 24 fps, make your shutter speed 1/50, bring your aperture down the lowest possible, and keep your ISO at the lowest without bars around it (could be 100 or 640 depending on your picture profile). 3)Record to MOV in the highest bitrate possible. The Sony files are saved a few folders deep into the SD card (it’s a little annoying) but should show up on a Mac. Drag them onto your timeline or media bin in whatever editing software you’re using.

[@ktfjulien]

​@@VicLabs good tips

[@CC.cinematics]

Can we do astro nightlapse

[@marcoperey]

Hey Jason, with your 4th tip about setting your focal length. If we have a lens that goes 17-70mm, should we set it at the minimum of 17 or maximum at 70mm? Thank you!

[@pratyaysutradhar9844]

A7iv also has an option called "auto" Where it detects your focal lengths automatically. Try using that if possible

[@marcoperey]

Nice! I’ll see if my FX30 has that. Thank you!

[@RJMPictures]

@@pratyaysutradhar9844 This won't work for manual lenses though

[@gingersmedia]

@@RJMPictures yup, because there’s no electronic contact with the camera. That’s when you want to set it manually, and you’ll want to change it if/when you change zoom on the lens

[@youareawesome8]

Thanks Jason. love your all your video. Since you are putting out so many video about the FX30. I discovered that I can input my 4 favourate lut and baked in to the footage. I believe not too many people know this. At after ppl 11(s-cinetone) there's 4 programmable ppl luts that baked in your luts to your footage just like s-cinetone. To programmed into this, go to PPLlut1, press right, then press enter to your 16 luts folders to choose. I think it will be very helpful to many user. thanks. hope you have time to show this feature to others. cheers.

[@TaoCovillault]

I have just realised with your video that we need to be in All Intra (XAVC S-I) for a higher frame rate and even for 10 bits in HD. I was wondering why all videos showed higher bitrates than me xD But then for this to be allowed by Sony, we need a minimum of a V90 card :/ Also, I never use clear image zoom, but I didn't know we lose some autofocus features... Focus mapping works on my Tamron 28-75mm too, it's not only for Sony lenses ;) And the least, it is so sad that in Europe, we don't have 25p in XAVC HS... Only 50p -_- If it was not for the crop, I would actually shoot everything in 4k 50p, with 360° shutter and 180° for slow mo, just because files are much smaller...

[@Hamidu]

I watch a lot of your videos, please put like the lens you use when you use broll.

[@officialmultimedia8107]

15:00 does proxy recording cause overheating on a7iv? I’m afraid to do anything fancy for interviews on that camera haha

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

I don’t assume it does. But that does mean it’s recording more data so this could be a potential

[@CologneDADA]

please can you do a comparison when both are in apsc modes with apsc lenses, still deciding which to go with thanks.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

I will try

[@CologneDADA]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema much appreciated 🙏🏾

[@schmollywood]

Hi Jason, How on earth did you manage to program the zoom rotate rocker to do Clear Image Zoom. On my FX30 the operation of the Zoom rotate is greyed out . The manual says „Available only with power zoom lenses that support this function.“ Since the whole idea of your tip is to use this zoom rocker if no zoom lens is used on the cam to operate Clear Image Zoom instead that would be actually not possible if Sonys manual is correct . I hope you can clear this up. Thank you!

[@Stasiek_Zabojca]

There should be an option, I suppose in custom buttons settings (I have A7 IV), where you set what type of zoom you want to do with that button/switch. You probably have it set for optical zoom with lenses that have automatic zoom, and it should be set to clear image zoom.

[@LeonUnity]

In the Menus, First Section, Option 9 "Zoom", then "Zoom Range" change it from "Optical Zoom" to "Clear Image Zoom".

[@bmkimages]

quick question, does the IBIS work at 1080p 120p?

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Yes. Ibis always works but active steady shot may not in some modes

[@91pimtim]

Fokus mapping: blue = behind and red is front.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

🙌🏽

[@AshSZ]

I think I misunderstood, so you don't have 10bit when you shoot 4k 60fps (with the crop) on a a7 iv unless you use SnQ mode?

[@amirlaukholm]

no u have 10bit in 4k60, but u dont have it with 1080p 120fps, u can only get 10 bit with 1080p 120fps if you shoot in s&q.

[@AshSZ]

@@amirlaukholm I see, thank you :)

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Thanks to Amir for clearing that up with my

[@SteveWB]

Hey Buddy just here to hang out. You should get into panasonic so you can teach me some stuff. I feel like I know more about sony than panasonic at this point lol

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

😂😂😂😂 maybe one day…. 0.003% chance.. but there is a chance 😂

[@yungwaco]

I'm confused, why would you reference proxy editing when that's a software thing? Also, if a camera says it records proxies, I'm assuming you mean prores proxy, which is an incredibly low bitrate version, it doesn't mean its creating a main file AND a proxy file, it's only recording a low bitrate file, which is not good for important projects

[@markr041]

No. It records an EXTRA lower resolution file. You can set the codec parameters. It is not ProRes.

[@mpark1206]

wow @ 0:42 we need a color grade tutorial on this

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

I have done one: should check it out

[@ChestiiPrinAmerica]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema phantom luts on this specific shot? Or manual grading

[@ReboxTracks]

Hach D = HD

[@gryzmedia]

LSKD!!

[@definingslawek4731]

maybe the reason you need to turn the overheating temp up is because the EU mandates how hot consumer electronics are alowed to become. I don't get why ship it on standard otherwise

[@JeffBourke]

So I set up all my custom settings and saved them to slots 1, 2 and 3. Now I can’t even white balance off a grey card. Am I dumb or something?

[@vidthreenorth4007]

This might sound picky, but Time Lapse at 1 fps can be made even faster by dropping frames in a video editor. I generally do a sunrise by dropping every 2nd frame which makes it 1 frame/2 sec. But this is not quite what I want. On the other hand, dropping more is only "easy" at 1 frame/4 sec. What I really want is 1 frame / 3 sec. Yes, I'm being picky, but it makes a difference. What would help would be if Sony provided a 1 frame / 1.5 sec. time lapse speed. Then I could drop the odd frames to achieve 1 frame / 3 sec., which I think, would be best -- at least for me. . . . Here's the best time-lapse I made: studio.kzbin.infokx3zPGwwQ2A

[@PeterBrockie]

The only thing I need to know about the FX30 is when Amazon (US) is going to ship my damn October 2nd pre-order. :P

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

I always suggest people buy new release cameras direct from Sony. You will usually get the fastest shipment. Usually…

[@PeterBrockie]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema I don't recall seeing pre-orders from them at the time, but I have noticed they are sending out body+XLR Handle models as they are in stock in a couple stores. No sign of the body only models in the US from what I've seen.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

@@PeterBrockie yeah wow. It honestly has been a massively popular camera that’s for sure

[@thehumancamcorder9326]

1 sec shutter is most of the time not enough to blur people/ traffic but hey, it is what it is

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

It certainly isn’t optimal but enough for some. Otherwise the old way will still work

[@AMomentInTimeProductions]

I don't use Proxies, because i'm shooting with the Ninja V+ so all my footage is recorded in prores 422 ALl-I so if your shooting in all-I the computer can play back the original full masters easy, the only draw back to that is your going to need more Media Storage to record on because ALL-I makes the video file 3 to 8 times larger in file size how ever sense i'm shooting with the Ninja V+ all my stuff is recorded to a SSD drive which is cheap you can get a 4TB SSD for about $250.00 to $300.00 that is huge, or you could just get a 2TB SSD for about $130.00 Don't use SD cards or CFExpress cards way too much money a 512GB SD UHS 2 V90 would cost you around $500.00, which is insane, that is why best to go with an external Recorder, also your camera doesn't heat up any where close to recording internally, the Ninja V+ is Processing all the recording and has a cooling fan so your good there.. Also on the overheating issue, that is not an issue with the FX3 or FX30 they both have a cooling fan which blows out most of the heat. The only way the FX30 is going to overhead is if your recording at lets say 4k 120P and your out in the hot desert at a 115 to 120 D F in the direct Sun, which at that point you would probably die from heat exhaustion at that point, so i doubt any one is ever going to suffer from the FX30 over heating, i mean i used it in doors normal temp around 70 Deg for 4 hours strait shooting 4k 60 al I and it never even gave me a warning so, not sure if it would be an issue shooting 8 or 9 hours like that not sure, but so far so good. The other camera's that don't have the cooling fan i bet you might have problems tho..

[@markr041]

You can shoot All-I internally. You do not need the Ninja for that.

[@AMomentInTimeProductions]

@@markr041 never said it only works externally of course you can shoot all-I internally, what i meant about the Ninja is it cost way less to record though a ninja on a SSD then an SD or cfexpress type A card way less

[@markr041]

@@AMomentInTimeProductions A v90 sd card of useful size is still cheaper than buying a Ninja V+, a battery and a 2TB ssd. And the Ninja adds bulk, and requires attention to another (bulky) battery that runs out fast. It completely ruins one advantage of the fx30, compactness and usefulness on gimbals. I have the Ninja V+ so I know exactly what it does and why it is not something I would recommend to anyone with an fx30, which does not overheat and has no 30-minute limit. At one time the Ninja had a use; no longer for these newer cameras.

[@AMomentInTimeProductions]

@@markr041 that's true but it would cost you a fortune in SD cards if you do shoot internally, a 512 GB SD card that can handle 4k 60p all-i would cost you around $500.00, with the Ninja a 2TB SSD would cost you $140.00 see the difference,

[@tshev]

It's so weird that Sony A7 IV allows you to have 10-bit color & 100/120 fps only in S&Q mode.

[@azizulzulzaha]

Tell sony i need 1080/4k shortkey in fn menu, like jpeg/raw shortkey in th fn menu….come onn

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Oh interesting

[@matiakd]

Bro over utilised the word utilise 😂

[@TheMatthewhardy]

You don’t “have” to double your framerate. When shooting in 24/30 it gives you a more “pleasing” motion blur. But, especially when shooting higher framerates you can absolutely keep shutter at the framerate or higher

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

I explain motion blur in about 20 other of my videos.

[@TheMatthewhardy]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema 👍👍

[@nil_photography_ny1952]

“Time conchimin”? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@BastiMark]

I actually dont know why my Sony A1 doesnt have some of these features. ... sony I hate you ...

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

That is the same question everyone asks: no one knows why 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@JamesWilliams-in3py]

NOOOOOOOOO Your double your shutter comment was 1000000% FALSE. That is for FILM cameras. It's sad to see bad information out there that some users will hear once and never learn anything different, like me. I heard that years ago and always stuck to it when it is absolutely wrong. Your shutter should be 1/50 for 24fps, Anything past that only needs to be equal to the fps you are shooting. Love your videos but you can't be saying stuff like that man. Why on earth would you shoot 1/400 for 200fps to get natural motion blur? What does that even mean? There is no motion blur at 1/400. You should shot 1/200 if you want the most natural motion blur.

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

You might have to contact cinema camera companies and tell them to remove the 180 degree shutter mode so when you have 100 or 200fps it won’t be 180 degrees.

[@insom4539]

10 things to know, but you only need to know 1 thing, buy a a7siii

[@A.Edilbi]

@4:38 advising people to shoot at f22 ? I can't believe how soft the footage will be .totally unusable

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Lens defraction does noes not render the image useless. Contrast is usually much lower and you lose small amount of sharpness but this does not mean it is useless. I’ve done multiple lens tests on this all over my KZbin

[@s.aweddings7971]

10 thing are very nice but still the camera are very slow 😒

[@knowyouryoga]

Slow in what sense? Sensor readout speed?

[@JasonMorrisphotocinema]

Certainly aren’t slow

[@s.aweddings7971]

@@JasonMorrisphotocinema it's only have six frames

[@knowyouryoga]

@@s.aweddings7971 Both of these cameras were not made for high speed shooting. Sony is notorious for segmenting their cameras and putting high speed shooting on a9 series only.

[@s.aweddings7971]

@@knowyouryoga 😆😆 another manufacturers their all cameras have minimum 10 or 12 frames and a9 series are very expensive