Good evening Thank you for checking this video out... hard to believe that this season celebrates 10 years today huh?... I thought it should be apropiated that I said all that I had to say because my previous attempt was a bit... weaker... In anycase, if you found my expressive skills are better than my previous attempt, check out how I've improved those skills in college on this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mojNZKZ3hNGlhJY
@Daniel-lg7bo Жыл бұрын
This video was pretty mediocre. Not great.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-lg7bo It’s a work in progress. The most recent one is a bit better.
@Daniel-lg7bo Жыл бұрын
@@dramaticScar This is the most recent one.
@Daniel-lg7bo Жыл бұрын
Could have better
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-lg7bo no it isn’t
@cordyceps7531 Жыл бұрын
Cameron is kinda a hero. In the finale, he tried saving the other contestants from the mutant animals while Lightning only wanted to focus on winning. Not saying he should be here, but he fits the theme.
@OrbitalDropper Жыл бұрын
Good point. No, that is not a good point. It's a great point.
@Mazz83225 Жыл бұрын
Man, i remamber when i used to wake up early before school to check who was eliminated this season on the Total Drama Website. I was rooting for Courtney until she got kicked her off and i was like "Gwen is still here? Is she going to be the first double winner in TD?" Unfortantly i was very dissapontied with the finale they choose. My dream Total Drama All-Stars, would have been after 2 more seasons with the Revenge Cast after Revenge of the Island (and they could have mixed Gen 2 and the more interesting players from Gen 3) and then we would have All-Stars with more episodes and players from S1 like Leshwanna, Harold, Owen Bridgette, Trent (i know some of them aren't all stars but they were popular in universe and could have wrapped up some storylines left unfished). P.S- The disrepect that Mike won the season while he literally did NOTHING in the competition is beyond me
@asherblablabla Жыл бұрын
See, the toilet eliminations were to show how shit the season was
@JonathanLopez-fs5lt Жыл бұрын
Lol
@drewbrady5727 Жыл бұрын
Hot take: I don’t care for Zoey’s friendships with Duncan or Gwen either I’d prefer to see her befriend much nicer characters that really need it than Duncan, and I’d also wait a lot longer for her to really interact with Gwen; Zoey should’ve befriended girls who haven’t already had enough screentime
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
Scott creating a new and improved strategy after analyzing past Total Drama episodes. Scott's suggestion that the Villainous Vultures should throw the challenge to get rid of Lightning as well as his switch of plans from sabotaging his own team from last season to sabotaging the opposing team in this episode seems to come from one of the season's original concepts, which would have involved Scott adapting to a new ruthless strategy after watching all previous Total Drama episodes during the interim between Revenge and All-Stars, but Scott being the main antagonist again was shelved in favor of Mal and him being simply more strategic than before was shelved in favor of making him the Iron Butt Monkey comic relief character with a romantic subplot with Courtney. Scott was originally planned to reprise his role as main antagonist in Total Drama All-Stars by watching all Total Drama episodes since "Not So Happy Campers Part 1" to "Brain vs. Brawn: The Ultimate Showdown" after Total Drama: Revenge of the Island, which would have resulted on him developing a new, merciless strategy in the fifth season. However, this concept was scrapped and Scott's role as main villain would be taken over by Mal. And also make think was mal in orginal concept Also in frist epsidoe Scott mentions he thought the robot could talk. I think was ment to call back for orginal was him watch all total drama season. He mentioned that he know about the robot. Because being Russell hantz the cartoon only work once ( for records scott is sort based on Russell hantz from survivor thing the team killing and find immunity idol. I think russell was more the latter one.)
@BABVSOULEATER2005 Жыл бұрын
I completely forgot about this one becoming 10 years old, makes you realize more about how time flies, 10 years and it's still an absolute mess of a season and one of the worst shows that cartoon network ever aired that should have never seen the sunlight, happy anniversary lol
@StaciROTIbi Жыл бұрын
Comparing it to the worst shows ever aired on a channel is insane, I would much rather watch All Stars than crap like Problem Solverz or any of the low budget live action crap, at least it doesn't hurt my eyes.
@BABVSOULEATER2005 Жыл бұрын
@@StaciROTIbi Eh there isn't really much difference between an awful 3/10 and the 1/10s
@StaciROTIbi Жыл бұрын
@@BABVSOULEATER2005 All Stars is only really bad when compared to other TD seasons. On its own, comparing it to unwatchable crap that can give you a seizures, is overexaggerating.
@BABVSOULEATER2005 Жыл бұрын
@@StaciROTIbi yea you got a point but still both suck pretty hard lol
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
@@StaciROTIbiVery well said
@DizzyPunch Жыл бұрын
That audio transition when switching to Zoey's part at 25:50 genuinely gave me goosebumps. I love how you edited this segment.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
I love you ❤️
@iseeeverything Жыл бұрын
Hey good video as always. Anyways I agree with mostly everything you said here. This cast sucked, the rivalry between Jo and Lightning couldve meant something, Duncan and Gwen are flanderized beyond repair. Mal's an anime villain, and Zoey's the worst girlfriend ever. But I get why it ended up so rushed with the time constraints. I just wish it wasnt
@evil7789 ай бұрын
Scott was alright in this season, yes. But when I heard the original plan for Scott, that being for him to have gone through and watched all the previous Total Drama seasons and use the knowledge he gained to his advantage. That would've been awesome for Scott, but they didn't do it and I'm very disappointed. Just like how I'm disappointed for the rest of the season.
@dramaticScar6 ай бұрын
How do you know this though?
@evil7786 ай бұрын
@@dramaticScar Someone mentioned it in a KZbin video I saw, they said it was one of the original plans for Scott when the season was being made. I'm not sure if it's actually true now that you ask though. I forget which video it was though. It's like that theory on Lindsay's actor having a family emergency and leaving Total Drama action early, might be true, might not be.
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
And also the continuation of Zoey's commando persona. Why does i feel some of this was going to be commando Zoey, like she jump through tree and so on, what going to be her.
@atilla0463 Жыл бұрын
The season should have been 18 people in this season ( 9 in each team). I think it should have been the canon people in from Revenge in All Stars, minus Sam ( so 6 people from Revenge). the 12 form of cast should be the 7 canon people+owen (and the rest of team victory. so Bridgette, Leshawna, Harold and DJ) and for me personally, I didn't see any problem with the heroes vs villains theme. since that led to the revenge and the of cast interacting. like I don't get the idea that people have that they should have done "ogs in one team and the revenge cast on the other" cuz that doesn't give any new character dynamics so with this new cast in my opinion the teams would have been heroes: zoey, mike, cammeron, owen, lindsey, Leshawna, Dj, Harold and sierre villain: Lightning, Joe, Scott, Alejandro, Heather, Duncan, Gwen, Courtney, Bridgette Reasons why On heroes, I don't really have to explain myself, its quite obvious why there are in that team Courtney is on villains since she was the "main antagonist in TDA The reason why put Duncan, Courtney and Gwen on the same team is because I think chris thinks this would create more drama. But also it depends on whos side you are on because "technically" neither gwen or Courtney is 100% correct in their version of their story of what happened I also added Bridgete on the villains since she also cheated on geoff with Alejandro. So technically all "cheaters" are on the villains. but later in this season mike/mal and Bridgette will switch teams. because one person is acting more like a hero and the other more like a villain.
@GabrielsChannel15 Жыл бұрын
Good idea
@GabrielsChannel15 Жыл бұрын
Good idea
@XanderMatthews-nv9zf11 ай бұрын
Yeah like we need cross generation interactions
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
And Here fun fact Lightning was originally meant to have brown hair again, but the writers left it white. Is one thing that make sense for some reason
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
I want something in the future. Do a blood vs water type season. Blood vs. Water, also known as the couples format, is a twist where the castaways compete against a loved one such as a relative, a significant other or a friend. This could be intersting
@Browhatdoyouwant Жыл бұрын
I HAVE WATCHED THIS SEASON 3 TIMES TO TRY AND FIND GOOD THINGS ABOUT THIS SEASON (being a super fan) AND STILL FOUND NOTHING 😭😭😭😭
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
Honestly it get’s worse everytime Like in all these 10 years it only struck me NOW that Zoey had literally no character development
@Browhatdoyouwant Жыл бұрын
@@dramaticScar frrrr
@TheCinnamonRollz Жыл бұрын
it's been 10 years of the worst season of the series, which coincidentally contains the worst episode of the series time flies
@Lasagnamuncher6111 ай бұрын
I haven't seen all stars (I think that's for the better,) but I assume the worst episode is sundae muddy sundae of what ever it was called? I'll see it just to burn my eyes to see how bad it is
@seamuslombardi2327 Жыл бұрын
The Heroic Hamsters considered of Mike, Zoey, Cameron, Sam, Courtney, Lindsay, and Sierra. And Villainous Vultures considered of Heather, Duncan, Lightning, Jo, Scott, Gwen, and Alejandro.
@neo-beo Жыл бұрын
I know I’m 2 months late, but this video is excellent. I remember watching TDAS back in December 2020, knowing it wasn’t gonna be good, but even I was surprised how bad it was. I think season 5 should’ve been a second season for the Revenge cast, maybe taking place in the movie set, like an Action 2 or something. Then done all stars (or just a plain ass season that just happened to combine both casts). If they did that, things would probably be better, at least a little bit.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
What was your opinion on my conclusion?
@neo-beo Жыл бұрын
i agree with it
@Nzcade Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe it’s already been 10 years
@EvTheBadConlanger Жыл бұрын
same
@TheAeroAvatar3 ай бұрын
I still haven't forgiven this season's existence. What a horrendous sendoff to the first two casts.
@happypika3 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
Very apreciated
@tyler-w7w Жыл бұрын
This is why the season shouldve been total drama underdogs
@TRBAK-47YM_TD Жыл бұрын
I think the cast we got wasn't the original idea and was last change. the trailer shows 25 of 38 constants in all of total drama history and 14 of 25 were shown more than 3 times and they were Courtney, heather, lindsay, siera, duncan, alejandro, sam, jo, lightning, Scott and 5 people that were supposed be there noah, owen, cody, anne marie and brick and they changed the plot to go with the mal plot and the triangle relationship fixed plot and i think the original cast was great but is missing leshanna and am changing sam with her to have equal gendering
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
But what could Leshawna do here
@jacksonmonk6525 Жыл бұрын
Jeez this came out 10 years ago. I remember being hyped about this series. I thought it was gonna be the best one but after watching all the episodes, I was wrong horribly wrong.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
You and everyone basically 😂
@Down4moneyy Жыл бұрын
Can’t believe it’s been 20 years now..
@marionbaggins Жыл бұрын
Since what, All Stars is 10...
@pepsicannot Жыл бұрын
disagree with Cameron and Zoey not being on the heroes team, heck the examples you listed all fit in with this category, especially Cameron, dude tried helping his cast mates away from mutein creatures, gosh been 10 years of AS and even today people continue to be talked in a more negative way, some points valued while some just felt like fans have bones to pick with writers especially one who wrote SMS, and because of that the like to pinpoint that AS was the failure, and like to use it as an example of fans not being exited for the new season because of this but I like to think of AS as they made a mistake and they are aware of it but they can improve on it.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
I have to recognize I was a bit harsh on Ed Macdonald… yeah he wrote SMS but regatta be kidding me was actually pretty good… And I also recognize I was a bit harsh on Cameron… Zoey wasn’t much of a hero
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
@@dramaticScari found out ed macdoand is writer, like he write books i am not make this shit up.
@filipeabreu2542 Жыл бұрын
@@dramaticScarZoey literally gave up winning the final immunity challenge to save Cameron's life, realising that her friend is worth more than a million dollars. If that's not a hero's arc, I don't know what is. Plus, she, along with Mike and Cameron, is one the main oppositors to Scott, the main antagonist, and throughout the endgame she's always trying to defeat him and take him down.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
@@Melvinshermen I mean it boils down to literally “don’t judge a book by it’s cover” In order to judge we have to get down and read his works outside if this show
@lysanderlonshadow8653 Жыл бұрын
Damn time passes so fast
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
Like you is was rush, and i ready send you the original draft of all star.
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
And also i think said before there was going a storyline about Lindsay and Tyler breakup, i am like wtf
@pepsicannot Жыл бұрын
That story was never materialized
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
And also brick,Cody,owen and Anne Maria was going to be in all star. I am Believe is true And to quteo tv tropes Brick was replaced by Sam because the latter had "more drama potential. I still confused what that means. And i think this was going to be owen. And also Cody was dropped because they thought his relationship with Sierra had been fully played out in World Tour. And what i heard Cody was going to pack a mace to protect from sierra with make me question thing like. Is he and sierra friend now, He now get use to it. In revange of the island he smile when sierra hug him. Like what
@threeguysandagirlinabeachhouse Жыл бұрын
NAURR not me being 7 when all stars aired
@Rias-sl6fq Жыл бұрын
What I hate most about mike and Zoe is we never really get to see them together as a couple. By the time they start dating in season 4, mike gets eliminated. Then in all stars we see them together for 2 episodes, and then it’s just about mal.
@VampirePrinceKRS Жыл бұрын
with the spoilers I saw of season 2 of Total Drama 2023 the creators are not trying to forget All Stars. they have hero vs villain/protagonist vs antagonist themed teams again. but with how good Season 1 was I'm not worried about Season 2 & I don't think it'll end up as bad as All Stars.
@renegadesoul8701 Жыл бұрын
Wait, what? I wonder how that might work
@VampirePrinceKRS Жыл бұрын
@@renegadesoul8701 yeah in season 2 it looks like Bowie's team is Mk, Julia, Chase, Ripper, Scary Girl/Lauren, Wayne & Raj all the more antagonistic/villainous characters. while Priya has Millie, Zee, Nichelle, Emma, Damien, Axel, & Caleb all the more protagonistic/heroic characters. it sounds like Bowie & Priya may have gotten to pick the teams themselves also due to being the finalists/winners of season 1.
@StaciROTIbi Жыл бұрын
@@VampirePrinceKRS Wayne and Raj aren't villainous and neither is Chase really, he's just an idiot
@VampirePrinceKRS Жыл бұрын
@@StaciROTIbi yeah I feel like Bowie chose the hockey bros just cause he's in a budding relationship with Raj. which left two wild cards Axel & Caleb for Priya. it's hard to tell how much of Chase is an actual idiot & how much of it is his persona from being a prank star. Bowie probably mainly chose him just to spite Emma. but the original All Stars had some of the heroes & villains in gray areas & also team swap when someone was too "good" or "evil". we don't know if they'll do anything like that for this season.
@fuchsiaskies Жыл бұрын
wait, I thought it was a rat and skunk team?
@sonicthehedgehog7144 Жыл бұрын
cazy it has been ten years i do agrre with you about the gwen and duncan partears snice all stars came out
@austincha800611 ай бұрын
I feel like what what would have made Mal work as a villain is that if he were a direct result from Mike's childhood trauma and the reset button is what I would say is the most offensive protrayal of multiple personality disorder. And with that conclusion it gives me hope that the td franchise could get better as this new soft reboot is the bridge that reunited the fandom and the studio after years of grudgefulness
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
Villian cast is one 100% agree with
@Agustin-vx8ir Жыл бұрын
The season could've worked a little bit better if they didn't mash up the All-Stars and Heroes vs. Villains themes together in one season. You either do one theme or the other but you can't do both when half the cast isn't developed enough and the season only has 13 episodes.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
That’s a great way to summon it up
@Third7Plays Жыл бұрын
Hi scar, I watch your td stuff all the time
@pure-_-bond2165 Жыл бұрын
Why is Courtney, Duncan and Sierra doin' the thing ? 7:47 xD
@curesaul5749 Жыл бұрын
I’m still wondering what happened to the contestants in the balloons. I know the producers said they survived but we never saw them again.
@pepsicannot Жыл бұрын
well they are most likely alive and I don't think they would be ruthless enough to kill them
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
Duncan was going to revange on courtney. Which make question a lot thing. Like ok it because courtney vote off gwen in world tour. Or all the abuse. Is does give me lot question for orginal plot. And courtney og plot was Courtney getting revenge on Heather. I think to quteo total drama wiki, and is more annoyed that Alejandro chose Heather, not her
@HasanDaader Жыл бұрын
Hold on….. I was born the same year all stars was released!
@nicholassims9837 Жыл бұрын
Mike and Mal should have share the same mindset like Fat Buu and Super Buu . Also the inside of Mike's head should ahve been like a litle city ala Osmois Jones
@Paulo7002 Жыл бұрын
14:40 This could even explain why Lindsay was the first boot, damn. I hate this season more.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say that would be a reason to eliminate Lindsay... I assume she wasn't affect by this because she always has the Bandena on or something... which is not the case with Heather
@Biwakowy_boy Жыл бұрын
Cool video, really! 😊
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
Thank you GURL
@scorbunnystaralicia5589 Жыл бұрын
Scar I was wondering what you think of Gwen x Courtney as ...more then a friendship, like if All Stars was better and more ballsy and tried an lgbtq pairing before the 2023 reboot
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m sorry but no. It sounds a bit too fanfic-y Not because I don’t support it but because it sounds way out of nowhere
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
Mike,Zoey and Cameron i do see Why. But still There are nice people. And Cameron won, and there show to be good. Fine
@nicholassims9837 Жыл бұрын
Would All Stars Been better if it was after Pahkitew Island ?
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
I used to think so but now I don't know
@nicholassims9837 Жыл бұрын
@@dramaticScar You could imagine the interecttions the third gen cast would have had with the first and second ones
@filipeabreu2542 Жыл бұрын
I think you are taking the term "hero" a bit too literally and out of the context of the show. "Heroes" in reality TV and specially on Survivor aren't self-sacrificing heroes saving other people, they are players who are likeable, beloved by the fans, that make the audience root and cheer, that play the game with honesty, integrity, morals and ethics and who are inspiring, in some cases underdogs who accomplish a lot and surpass many odds and expectations. TD is a reality TV parody, so the heroes aren't going to be characters facing danger to save others and sacrifice themselves because these are not the stakes of the show. The heroes are the ones who go about the competition with kindness, respect to others and integrity, who don't lie, cheat, backstabb or sabotage in order to advance, who serve as opposition to the main antagonists and who are genuinely good people. Cameron, Zoey and Mike are pretty much the heroes of their season. Whether you like them or not, they are clearly the characters whose journeys we are supposed to follow throughout the competition, hence the heroes of the story. They are the underdogs who accomplish their goals and face the the villain of the season in Scott, trying to stop him and taking him down and strategizing to get him out. And Cameron, the ultimate winner, is also the one to defeat his bullies, the season's two secondary villains, Lightning and Jo, and serves as an opposition to Jo from the very beginning. They fit the heroes theme to a T. I think that even for your definition they would apply considering ROFTI might be one of the most manichaeist seasons and the one that feels most like a battle between good and bad guys, at least up untill that point. Also, if you replace them with Brick or Dawn, it won't feel much like All Stars.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
Yeah I admit I went a bit too far there… even remember considering if I should take that out or not… I think we can respectfully agree that what they did is a bit smaller than the original cast
@JGProductions6581 Жыл бұрын
Why does time fly so fast??
@Shiny_Firey Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe this season is so terrible. I used to think this was a good season when I was young but was wrong
@gothikaxenon Жыл бұрын
A decade of Total Drama’s current worst season?
@agtainayt7321 Жыл бұрын
10 years????? I've have been hating on sundae muddy sundae ten years????
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
Well that hate is celebrated in November
@Melvinshermen Жыл бұрын
Like i Said in same the whole all star concept is based on a survivor season. Heros vs villian is sort based on other season. That is just let pick all good people on survivor and all bad people. ( for records maybe is don’t work on narrative structure then real life. Not all heros on survivor was hero on that season. One Guy James act angry and aggressive a lot.) And some villian was jerks.
@brendanu1680 Жыл бұрын
Why didn't you go over Ezekiel, Eva,Noah,Justin,Katie,Tyler,Izzy,Cody,Beth,Saidie,Harold,Trent,Bridgette,DJ,Geoff,Leshawna,Blaineley,Staci,Dakota,B,Dawn,Brick,Anne Maria,Beardo,Leonard,Amy,Rodney,Sammy,Ella,Topher,Dave,Scarlett,Max,Jasmine,Sugar,Sky,Shawn,Tammy,Pete,Gary,Ellody,Mary,Miles,Laurie,Tom,Jen,Taylor,Kelly,Jay,Mickey,Lorenzo,Chet,Rock,Spud,Dwayne,Junior,Crimson,Ennui,Stephanie,Ryan,Devin,Carrie,Emma 1,Kitty,Josse,Jacques,Sanders,MacArthur,Brody,Caleb,Axel,Nichelle,Scary Girl,Damien,MK,Wayne,Raj,Ripper,Zee,Chase,Emma 2,Julia,Mille,Bowie or Prya when discussing the cast? They got messed up from the season too.
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
Bro you need to put a space after a comma
@brendanu1680 Жыл бұрын
@@dramaticScar Still, why didn't you discuss the 86 characters I mentioned?
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
@@brendanu1680 I legit cannot tell if you are trolling me
@brendanu1680 Жыл бұрын
@@dramaticScar Why'd you ask that?
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
@@brendanu1680well to start off 74% of the characters you mentioned didn’t even existed back when total all stars came… And I did mention somewhat Brick and Dawn. I just mentioned the characters that were in this season. (I still believe you are trolling me)
@carlosgamingtv71816 ай бұрын
Song? 25:50 27:28
@dramaticScar6 ай бұрын
It's called : Mandark's Lab from Cartoon Network racing
@carlosgamingtv71816 ай бұрын
@@dramaticScar Thanks!
@toonmaster78064 ай бұрын
But Beth was the winner of Total Drama Action and Duncan is the runner up
@dramaticScar4 ай бұрын
Depends on your country... and the way I went around this was include both 2 finalists... So if you consider either Beth or Duncana winner you will be right.
@Samantha_lynnekkkkkkkk Жыл бұрын
HELP THE THUMBNAIL
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
I’m glad someone is noticing
@BH-wl8xr Жыл бұрын
Ngl I thought I was subscribed
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
Better late than never right?
@amaroonsheepyt3916 Жыл бұрын
this season ruined gwuncan beyond repair
@sleepyicon Жыл бұрын
Imo, Gwuncan shouldn’t have happened in the first place, and the way it happened isn’t good either.
@amaroonsheepyt3916 Жыл бұрын
gwuncan needed to happen for drama which is suceeded in world tour,however all stars makes the break up between courtney and duncan dumb since the whole reason he cheated on her was because he was no longer obessed with her and was annoyed wtith her,but in all stars he is obessed with her and wanted to get her attention?? all stars makes the whole world tour drama look dumb@@sleepyicon
@sleepyicon Жыл бұрын
@@amaroonsheepyt3916 hmm good points. i still don't like gwuncan as a couple tho
@dramaticScar Жыл бұрын
It was ruined before it happend
@sleepyicon Жыл бұрын
here's how i feel overall. it just felt so... sudden. Duncan had never shown any interest in gwen romantically but then all of a sudden without any development he goes and kisses and wants to date gwen? i'm not even thinking of courtney at this point, duncan and gwen are two separate people and their relationship was built completely off of Courtney which is not good. Like if u were gonna ruin and break apart gwent and duncney for gwuncan (just because of their similarities like come on seriously cartoon network) then at least give duncan and gwen decent writing and development.
@professionalyapperhehee Жыл бұрын
Mike and Zoey are the most overrated characters for me tbh
@pepsicannot Жыл бұрын
no? how are they overrated? because they popular means bad, ive seen some vocal haters from them it is like me saying Courtney is overrated