$100 Knockoff vs $550 Stihl Chainsaw? Let's Settle This! Cutting Speed, Horsepower, Cold Start, RPM

[@ProjectFarm]

Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you! Topteng: amzn.to/47qIFXB 58cc Saw: amzn.to/3kih8Ek Stihl MS 291: available at Stihl retailers

[@mikechristensen1285]

Am I in the market for a chainsaw? No. Did I still enthusiastically watch the entire video? Yes. I’m blown away by the frequency of video releases you do! They are thorough, well edited, I don’t know how you do it so frequently.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@garyandtricia1]

I would bet that he's recording multiple tests at a time.

[@joegroom9837]

@@garyandtricia1 he still does many many tools each week must do around 2 a day the time these would take to make

[@garyandtricia1]

@@joegroom9837 He puts out a video every Sunday, typically.

[@johnlincicum6390]

​@@ProjectFarm would you please test name brand chainsaw company, farm store brand and generic brands of winter, summer and general purpose bar oils? Husqvarna, Stihl, Mystik, Poulan Pro, Echo, Tractor Supply Company and others?

[@kevingeraci2290]

Todd is an amazing human being for those of us who are ‘do it yourselfers’; the time and money he spends on these comparison tests is incredible insofar as he is not compensated by the manufacturers…quite a contribution to America, this is what social media should be used for and I can’t thank Todd enough for his contributions, his tests are the only evaluations I rely on when purchasing a new tool! Thanks Todd!

[@ProjectFarm]

You are so welcome!

[@mstrpth287]

I do the same. I come here first to see if he's reviewed the items.

[@nobodyuknow4911]

@@ProjectFarm I want to thank you as well, you've really helped to dispel a lot of myths and sales hype around many products and I'm sure the community (and your much-deserved subscriber numbers) all agree that your real-world apples-to-apples testing helps really settle the question around what's worth your money and what's not. Please keep up the great work and I look forward to your next video as always ^_^

[@clinkerclint]

I agree!!!!!

[@h8troodoh]

I've gotten the impression he's nothing but a good guy. A good neighbor type guy... with a awesome shop...lol

[@jakeharsha9931]

I bought a Stihl MS 290 (precursor to the Stihl in this test) about 15 years ago. I heat my home with wood and live on/manage 40 acres of woods with trails running everywhere so I use the saw quite often. It still fires within 5 pulls, even in the dead of Minnesota winter and cuts great as long as you keep a fresh chain on it. Stihl makes the best chainsaws, hands-down.

[@DeathValleyDazed]

Love my Stihl saws too.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@tomrutherford4907]

I agree. What makes Stihl saws the best is not the day you buy it. It's how well it runs and cuts 15 years down the road.

[@mantvydas8810]

Dad still uses a husky 254 xp from 1995. It never let him down except one time when the crank end near the clutch broke off and the engine continued to run without turning the chain. A couple years later without replacing anything but the bearings and crank since you have to split the case it still starts up better than our newer 2010 ish jonsered. 5 ish pulls.

[@scottschlemmer4787]

@@tomrutherford4907 Just like a wife.

[@anchopanchorancho]

You can't beat having a video like this show up when you're in the market for something! Project Farm spoils us like always.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!!

[@silent1967]

Just split the difference and buy a Husqvarna.

[@sminthian]

And don't forget about used. I see $550 used Stihl's going for $100 all the time, just because someone always wants a brand new one.

[@twistedhillbilly6157]

@@sminthian Someone gave me a badly abused Echo,, A little shopping on EBay & Home Depot, A new bar, chain, air filter, & cover, plug, oil & gas tank caps (40 bucks total) I have good saw..

[@brockbaker3able]

For a homeowner, I recommend Echo. Literally just finished cutting with my Echo cs400. For the price and five year warranty you can’t beat it. I cut 5 cord of wood min per year. It’s never let me down

[@Kyto1221]

Would love to see hand cleaners compared to other products like dishwasher soap.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@cblock81]

YES, Gojo, Lava, Fast Orange....

[@brianellison3525]

Dawn for the win. And, it's good for ducks.

[@markmonroe7330]

I like this suggestion.

[@13slot28]

Yes! Like waterless hand cleaners!

[@rhkips]

It's one of those situations where the Stihl's difference in performance isn't in line with its difference in price, but I have a lot more faith that the Stihl will continue to perform for years to come, unlike the two bargain chainsaws. Awesome review! Thanks! :)

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

[@rcnelson]

You're likely right. The Chinese saws are built cheaper and would likely not last as long. I suspect the typical buyer would say "so what, when it breaks I'll just toss it and buy another." More throwaway junk, and for those who wish for better quality and longevity will find themselves out of luck.

[@lk9456]

If you work with it daily or professionally it’s cheap, if you can do in 5 days what the budget takes 7 to do you start to feel like could hundred $ is nothing

[@adamnagy1439]

The price is not only for the performance. It gives you repairability, good design, so easy reapir. And also, longevity. I doubt as a home owner, you wouldn't need to touch the stihl besides air filter, and bar and chain maintenence. While those other cheap saws would start running funny, mught leak gas, the seals of the crankshaft might wear out, and it could cook itself. It could be repaired, but it's a lot of work on the saw, and not much with it. I had cheap saws/ brushcutters, and not one lasted more than 2 years without getting some serious problem. I have a husqy brush cutter, and stihl saws. No problems yet, only wear of the components. In my opinion, if you are on a budget, get someone who knows these things, and buy a good condition, and proven used stihl, or husqvarna.

[@justpassingthrough3166]

This is what we pay the premium for. I've got a stihl climbing saw that I've had for almost 7 yrs. In that time I've purchased cheaper climbing saws from Echo, Poulan, and a few other knockoff brands. The stihl still starts everytime within 3 pulls despite being worked in all kinds of weather, dirt, sap, sawdust, etc. You don't buy a stihl because it's revolutionary or cuts wood differently from cheaper brands. You buy a Stihl because it will still cut the same on day 2000 as it did on day 1.

[@Canucklesammich]

Thanks! Always interesting tests.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it!

[@electronicsNmore]

Great testing as always! Stihl sure does make quality equipment, but if you can't afford one, you showed a pretty good much lower cost option. Thanks for the video!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@xingtheiflightinsider]

But always keep in mind, you pay a Chinese knockoff company that didn't have to spend money on R&D, neither takes care about all the details to a good chainsaw. When Stihl sells less or goes out of business, the development of new chainsaws will slow down or completely stagnate since the Chinese have nothing to copy from.

[@jamesgoens3531]

@@xingtheiflightinsider Even with the knockoffs available, I really don’t think that Stihl will be going out of business anytime soon. In my rural area, Stihl is the leading saw. The Deere dealerships around me sell them as do Rural King and several OPE dealers. Of all the folks I know with saws, exactIy none are knockoffs. I think anyone who needs a 20” bar is probably on the more experienced side of using a saw, at least I hope so. I certainly don’t want to be around someone with little experience who buys this knockoff to try their hand at taking down something with an 18” trunk. 😯 I’m fine with my Echo and its 20” bar unless it’s a sketchy tree I’m not comfortable tackling.

[@kobselzea176]

@@jamesgoens3531 echo makes a pretty decent saw for homeowner or firewood people

[@mike-pm6xn]

@@xingtheiflightinsider But in the real world when lots of American people are struggling and just don’t have money, they resort to buying foreign-made products because they need to get a tool to get a job done, even if they know it might not last. Kind of like why some DIYers buy from stores like Harbor Freight - overall cheaper products that are good for smaller jobs or less frequent use… But it’s a nice surprise when a cheap product - whether it’s made in the States, China, Taiwan, wherever - actually is just as good as (or sometimes better than) the big brand tools. And then there’s the consumables of course…

[@coreysllvn]

My father has two stihl saws that are over 35 years old and have seen HEAVY use (one was used to clear the forest site for their house). They both still see occasional use and perform very well. Testament to the quality of Stihl, I doubt many others would still be in use that many years later. Great video!

[@remingtonwingmaster6929]

I wouldn't be surprised if the budget saws experience mechanical issues about the time the chain needed to be replaced. I use Stihl but Husqvarna is also right there (some would argue better). Either way when it comes to longevity, you get what you pay for.

[@kyle1758]

That is something often missing from his analysis that I wish he would emphasize a little more. More often than not I'm sure the longevity/durability of the cheaper or knockoff products don't come nearly as close to their more well constructed counterparts. Obviously he can't do long term results for these videos, but there should be a disclaimer that just because a cheapo product performs close to or on par does not make it better in the long run.

[@scottyellis3442]

Yes Stihl is a good product, I have saws, blowers of stihl but I think Husqvarna is just as good & I bought a Echo saw about 3 years ago & I think it is a little better. My family is in the logging business & switched over to Echo "that's why I bought one" & it is a good saw.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

[@em4703]

And to think the Stihl is the video is just a plastic homeowner category saw of their line. Their pro saws are stihl are made to last 30+ years easily.

[@prameshworz4450]

First thing first, I do always check your videos before to make any purchases. You are truly helping a lot of customers like me. Appreciated your amazing work and effort.

[@hjets5387]

You've become my go to guy when I need to buy something. Your demonstrations are always free from bias. Thanks. I've got a suggestion for you. I'm considering attempting installing a water heater and was looking at the "Pro-Press" tools for solder free pipe fitting. An analysis of these tools would be helpful.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@sleve_mcdichael_]

Great video. I don't think anyone realistically expected the Stihl to lose...but it does provide valuable information. As a home owner that may trim up a few fallen trees or do a little cutting the cheapo models might just be the ticket. For anyone else that needs their saw to perform and has the allowable budget we will see a better value sticking to the good brands.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

[@stephk5255]

What I love about Todd's tests are how comprehensive they are. I might have a specific use in mind for the item tested, so with the variety of tests you do, I find what will work best for my needs. Thanks so much for what you do!

[@ProjectFarm]

My pleasure!

[@chadm6805]

With spring coming. I how about a test on best sawzall pruning blades?

[@thomaskipfer1008]

Only wish the Main Stream Media were as unbiased as your vids are unbiased!

[@usernameisusername]

Keeping the big boys honest. Love it.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!!

[@usernameisusername]

@Don't Read My Profile Photo I won't. You have my word

[@LCol718]

@Don't Read My Profile Photo Cool story bro.

[@mikeb3167]

Lol the big boys are anything but honest

[@jschlesinger2]

I would have concerns about running the Topteng year after year, but the price difference between the Topteng is so great that you might as well forget about buying replacement parts for the Topteng when it breaks -- just buy another saw and keep the old one for parts. Thanks for the video. Good luck with spring jobs on the farm.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

It probably would be the same part that would break on the second saw. Now you have two broken saws. If the part that broke only cost $20....would you now buy 4 of those parts...repair both saws...and still be ahead? You will have spent 100+100+80=$280....in X years. A friend ran a Stihl 044 for years and then made the mistake of lending it to someone who ran it on straight gas. The cost of just the parts to repair the Stihl was over half that of a new comparable Stihl...and it was a 20 year old saw. . He took a chance and bought a $400 Chinese knock off as he needed to cut firewood.. For the last three years he has cut hardwood blue gum eucalyptus firewood by the cord...using Stihl chains and bars on the knockoff...with no problems. He can't see the Stihl ever being repaired unless he just wants to have a play at repairing it himself....

[@wadewilliamson7994]

I think the big takeaway there is... Never lend out your saw.😂

[@jschlesinger2]

@@wadewilliamson7994 Good idea. Maybe hold onto your Stihl and lend the TopTeng to your brother in law?

[@Garde538]

Last thing i want to do is waste time repairing Chinese equipment

[@pjkentucky]

Thanks again for another quality video. I still say project Farm is the hardest working channel on KZbin. I was happy to see that you are pushing 3M viewers!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@bk89able]

I would like to see electrical tape tested to see what kind sticks the best, most resistant to heat, chemicals, etc. and how well it works in the cold. love your videos!

[@spdergod]

You'll have to go way back but he did do a video on that.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@tommytron2000]

Supper 33 That’s the only tape you’ll ever need

[@brandonmee-lee1695]

For years I had used the harbor freight 10 pack for 5 dollar tape and finally bought myself some real 3M stuff and oh man the difference made me believe in a higher power

[@pinrod1]

3m super 33

[@Smokeroux]

This channel is now our “Go To” prior to purchases for our channel and personal use now!! Thank you for all the through testing. Just purchased and installed the ZECK 13000k winch after your winch review 🏁

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@bixby9797]

This channel is a first stop before any purchase of tools, goods or anything you use to do stuff. "I need a grinder, wonder what Todd has to say about that? Oh, of course he tested that"!

[@izzibizzi308]

Can you test hiking backpacks? Too many fall apart too easy. Love your videos! Best KZbinr

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it! Thanks for the suggestion!

[@braddsn]

I rarely buy anything anymore without checking here first. The best part is, the tests you do here reflect exactly what I find out in the field. Keep up the great work Todd... we all appreciate it more than you know.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@TheMopar97]

My arm cramped up watching you cut that log SO MANY TIMES! Great job and great video as always!!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@klobe9]

for real my man has true functional strength

[@projectskylinegtr]

Durability wise the stihl is gonna outlast both by a significant margin. But for people who need a saw once or twice a year its probably a bit much. Great test! Love the T-shirt, definitely gonna pick one up soon!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@gorkyd7912]

I think if you need a saw once or twice a year maybe a battery-powered. Keeping the gas tank, lines, carbs, and spark plugs all clean and working is a big task regardless how expensive your saw, so with batteries you get to ignore most of those. Buying a cheap gas saw just seems crazy to me. May as well get a used Stihl, at least it will have resale value.

[@lordred7462]

​@@gorkyd7912I bought new cheap Einhell gas powered saw in 2009. Today it still probably dosn't have more than 20 working hours. Only thing I changed on it is chain. I drain fuel after every use and let it run until it uses fuel from carb. No issues. Last time it ran was more than 1 year ago. Cheap gas saw is not bad deal if you rarely use it as long it's cleaned and maintainted.

[@RobCalhounPGH]

​@@lordred7462 "as long it's cleaned and maintained." And there's the rub. That's not likely to happen with most who just need it occasionally. But if the homeowner uses a $100 saw to cut down a $200 tree, then never again, they still come out ahead.

[@John_Redcorn_]

@@gorkyd7912 yep. The battery powered saws are so good now theres almost no reason to buy a gas saw unless you use one for work

[@AndrewCamarata]

Isn’t there budget saws that are identical copies to namebrand saws like Stihl and Husqvarna? You should test those compared to their identical counterpart.

[@jbw7346]

Yeah, but you gotta build them+ some machining to get them running correctly… Farmtec, Holtzfarma…

[@Macaziod]

​@Jb W you don't have to build them. They have assembled ones for sale. I have the 660 clone. Runs really well for less then a 1/3 the cost.

[@TheLegendBrolySS]

@@Macaziod what brand?

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@ericharris893]

Andy enters the chat

[@dogsbyfire]

I’ve cut dozens of cords of firewood with my Stihl saw. Runs like a top. The chain brake is an important, perhaps life-saving, safety feature. This is one of those instances where it’s worth the extra money to get the better tool because the risk of harm is so great. Thanks, Project Farm!

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.

[@bixby9797]

I've got 2 fingers sewn back on after a run in with a Jonsered 92cc without a chainbrake. Be very careful out there and wear eye protection, gloves for grip, chaps and steel toed boots. A saw will tear you up faster than you can react. Trust Me.

[@Mix1mum]

I own 35 chainsaws. I have an entire rack with 6 shelves for them in my shed. They all run, I've rebuilt them all. I have a gamut of Homelite, from the super 2, 350, 925 and more. A couple old sears saws (with the most aggressive cutting profile I've ever seen), an old Montgomery Ward, a couple Pioneers, and 6 or 7 Stihls. From wee little guys like the 192 to my monster 111cc 075. Most of these saws have been ported. Some have oversized jets because of which. I have to Locktite every bolt on these saws. They are fun, aggressive saws. Especially that Super 2. Of all my saws, 2 have chain brakes. A ms192 and a ms181. The only saw to ever kickback on me is the Super 2. Chainbrakes ARE helpful. but besides knowledge, being the biggest and best safety device, the penultimate safety feature is in the weight. Heavy saws almost never kickback, not that they can't, but if you've spent a week using an old 041 farm boss, you should know enough by then to mitigate this factor. So for my money, I'll take the old all metal, non chain brake, heavy as sin, saw all day. Stand up and buck (shout-out to Buckin!). Let the saw do the work for you. Ymmv I understand the subjectivity of the topic. Safety police surely are incensed. I look forward to their vitriol. I bet they think aliens built the pyramids as well, cuz ppl, ppl just cant do something they cant do. Unimaginable, preposterous! Whether that stems from their over abundance of caution, lack of utility from underdeveloped arms, ignorance, naivety, fear, or maybe they're simply virtue signaling, who am I to say, I'm just speaking from experience, take that how you may and use yr own discretion.

[@D-B-Cooper]

@@Mix1mum don’t underestimate the number of morons out there. I find a longer bar is safer. I have recently bought a new Stihl $1,200. Just broke in after a couple of cords, really nice.

[@Nathan-cx2wg]

@@Mix1mum You had me rolling sir. Much like large caliber pistols not everyone likes them. Some just cut firewood once a year some just do some tree trimming from time to time. Buy according to use and skill level. Go wood cutting with friends see what they like to use. chop half a day with theirs with them fueling it. And never borrow a chainsaw!! Any problem that happens will be your fault.

[@tjf1531]

Always appreciate your time and effort in bringing us awesome content

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@GatvolFourie]

Another baller video , man cutting up that $$$ lumber like it's 1999 hahaha Great video mate. Really enjoy and appreciate all your effort . This channel went from goofy lawnmower torture to THE tool review channel , without ever selling out. Guess a proper goofy video is in order for 3 million subs any day now !

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@thenoblehacker9111]

​@@ProjectFarm that wasn't a suggestion lol

[@Kangaroojack1986]

​@@thenoblehacker9111 😂😂😂 dudes a Robot

[@amarildo988idrizai6]

@@Kangaroojack1986im dying to see a reply where he doesnt say “Thanks!!” Must be a robot

[@Brodozer39]

Like it’s pre Biden prices.

[@harleymauzy4753]

I would love to see some of the HART power tools tested against other tools in previous tests. I was recently looking for more power tools and just realized how extensive their lineup really is. Very impressive coming from Wal-Mart. Thank you for taking the time to go through as many comments as you do and giving us all the content that you do!! 😊

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@zachjones2678]

Flex as well

[@jordanalexander615]

Harts new cordless tools are actually very powerful compared to their older cousins. But the price is higher of course. Still glad to see smaller brands making waves.

[@RocksNRuts4]

i bought a 62v green machine, it wont cut butter!!!!!

[@wayneanderson1230]

Lol.hart tools from Walmart. Best thing to do with them take it home give the tool to your worst neighbor and burn the box for heat.

[@danwolf307]

I'm a lifelong diehard Stihl man, that being said I think that 52cc saw would be great for homeowners! It would outperform most of the cheap saws I've seen like the poulan wildthing or the generic homelite they sell at the big box stores. Great video Todd!

[@bixby9797]

my opinion isn't worth much but after better than 40yrs of saw use I think a 52cc is the sweet spot for general all around use for homeowners and even professionals except for the larger stuff. If you need a bigger saw than a 52cc as a homeowner you probably should consider hiring someone. Someone not doing it day in and day out should not pick up a 60cc or bigger saw for any reason. A 40cc with a 16in bar for occasional use will get the job done, too. It's what I carry in the pick up.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@uncouthboy8028]

Sad thing is Poulan and Homelite used to make very adequate saws.

[@davidivad123abc]

Gotta say that $100 Topteng was pretty impressive. I doubt it would match the durability of the Stihl, but if you just needed a saw for one time use it seems like a great option.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing!

[@gorkyd7912]

Nah, it's a bad deal even if it's much cheaper. Even for one use and even you're broke, get a loan and buy the Stihl. You can resell it when you're done and you'll end up paying the same as the Topteng overall. Except, for that one time use, you'll have a better saw, safer, and you won't have to add more trash to the landfill. Trust me, i am as frugal and penny-pinching as they come, I have been there. For a 1-time use the absolute best idea is to get a used Stihl that works, because that you can resell for what you paid. But if you can't make sure it works, a new Stihl or Husqvarna is a close 2nd best deal.

[@allenwilliams1376]

​@@gorkyd7912 😂😂 dumb, but you won't understand why

[@PsychoticBovine]

@@allenwilliams1376 Why is he dumb? buy once, cry once. It might be 5 times the price, but with Stihl you can get parts for it, has local support and repair, and it's more durable. As you get older, you will understand that durability and support trumps everything else.

[@MicahGourde]

​@Allen Williams is dumber than a hemlock stump and incapable of understanding why. I can buy a Stihl Farm Boss or similar saw all day long for $150 - $250. If you buy a dirty one in good shape, you can easily clean it up, tune it, and replace the spark plug. You can then resell it at a small profit if you got a good deal on it.

[@dogsoupblues]

As always, an excellent test! Your work is invaluable! 🙂 I was kind of hoping I'd see a Holzfforma/Farmertec clone here to get the numbers . I got their G660, which is a 1:1 clone of the Stihl MS660, and I love it. It's great for both milling and bucking, and hasn't let me down yet! Paid $250 shipped from China a couple years back, took a few weeks, and after some basic checking for loose bolts, it started right up and is still kicking ass!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@bceltics121]

​@@ProjectFarm I second that. Holtzfforma and Neo-Tec vs the real saws. Though I realize this would be a pricey test considering the saws are clones of pro saws.

[@mikemaddy6710]

Another vote for neotec. They make a ms380 clone also (72cc I think) only 200 bucks

[@prevost8686]

I started heating with wood in 1994 so I needed a chainsaw to cut the wood. Having grown up in a household that heated with wood and ran Stihl saws exclusively I naturally went to my local power equipment dealer and he recommended an 036 Stihl for wood cutting duties. After years of heating with wood and using the 036 to cut all of it I am amazed at how reliable and durable it has been. Other than replacing bars, chains and a drive sprockets I have not had any other problems with the saw. I’m getting too old to cut wood like I used to so I’m going to give my 036 some maintenance and give it to my son for tree removal and storm damage use. I have no idea if Stihl’s newer saws are as good as the older ones because I have never had to replace mine.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@DetroitMicroSound]

We've been a Stihl family since 1985. We still have the first saw. Still runs great, but has had a couple things replaced. My dad and I, have 5 Stihl's between us. 😄

[@misfire88]

My dad bought a 041 Farm Boss in the early eighties. We heated with wood, so it got worked a lot in the summer and winter for decades, until around 2010 when we got another Stihl. It slowly was relegated to backup status, but the amazing thing was, while he kept up on maintenance, he never once change the sparkplug on it. He'd take it out, clean it, check it and it'd go back in. He had one ready to replace it, but never did. We have five saws between us as well now.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing!

[@DetroitMicroSound]

@@misfire88 Worth every cent! We also have Stihl trimmers, and blowers. Yea, plugs basically go forever, if you mix properly, and it's still set up by the tuners at Stihl. I also run ONLY Amsoil Saber in everything. I also run Saber in my tuned Moped - Puch E50 engine, with a 70cc DMP cylinder, etc. Imho, works extremely dependably in ANY two-stroke, at 80:1. .........Hmm... has Project Farm covered Amsoil Saber?

[@DetroitMicroSound]

@@ProjectFarm 👍Many Stihl users have similar stories I think, too.

[@codygooch510]

You mean you stihl have the first saw. Thought you were a stihl family 🙄

[@FishFind3000]

One thing to add to the test should be parts availability and service support. The Stihl you can buy parts or get service and have it warrantied. The other two won’t have anything and if there’s any issues you gonna have to toss the saw.

[@RustyZipper]

I love my local Stihl dealer, I know everyone by name. Not because I have repairs but because I have so many. Like anything, a bad dealer experience means you’ll never buy their brand. That’s why I don’t buy off car dealerships nor let them touch my vehicles 😆

[@1pcfred]

Considering how crappy it can be to work on chainsaws tossing it might be the best option.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the feedback!

[@gorkyd7912]

Yep, this affects resale value more than anything. No one wants to buy a used saw when there's no parts available. So even though you pay less up-front, you can't even get half that back in resale. Whereas you buy a new Stihl and lightly use it you can recoup a big chunk of that when you resell, so if you just keep it for 5 years you might actually pay less overall for the Stihl. My theory anyway.

[@1pcfred]

@@gorkyd7912 what do I care about resale value? I'm not in the used saw business. If I buy a saw it's because I need a saw. And no used tools ain't worth jack. Ten cents on the dollar, maybe. Unless you're selling to a fool.

[@mac24seven]

Let's all take a moment to appreciate how fit Todd is! These were kinda intensive tests (many of them are) and he handles them with ease 💪🏿

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@makattak88]

Those forearms are a big tell that he works with his hands daily.

[@kingmarz3635]

He’s work tough And his hard work is paying off

[@coreyfrasnelly7364]

Farm boy tough!!!! Only way to be 🙏

[@kingmarz3635]

That’s the toughest of tough

[@blackswan-d1l]

I have a larger version of the 58cc saw and, for the price, have been very pleased with it. In particular the cutting torque under heavy load has been good. I have found the carburettor adjustments are critical to obtaining good performance, but these adjustments are effected by travel vibration. Out the box the saw exhibited the same lack of power seen in this video but came good with a bit of carby adjustment to provide good idling and fast enough top speed. Therefore, if I am taking the saw for a long trip over rough roads I always adjust the carby before cutting. Also, I found the same starting problem seen in this video where around 10 start pulls were required. The trick to avoid this and get my saw started in 1-2 starts is to do two pulls per start. The first pull is incomplete. The second pull is complete and if the saw idle speed is correctly adjusted the saw starts fine. My version of the saw used an E-start system where the energy of the first partial pull is stored and released in the second pull.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@cyphre]

I think it's also great to illustrate that you don't need the top tier tool to handle the job unless you are a professional who uses it all the time. The ~20%-30% uplift would definitely be a big difference, but only if you happen to use the tool all the time.

[@ProjectFarm]

Great point! Thank you

[@TriMarko]

It also, however, illustrates that when you are going for unknown brands even at the same price point that performance can vary wildly

[@anonym3017]

just buy the stihl anyway. its additional lifetime more than makes up for the higher price. after all the things last for years even when used by logging crews.

[@rogerhodges7656]

Parts and service on the off brands scare me. I can get my 30 year old Stihl serviced anywhere.

[@onecookieboy]

If you were doing a one off job and nothing more, the cheaper saw might be a good option, but if you wanted something which you could use year after year for a decade or more, go for the quality product.

[@thebigpicture2032]

Great comparison! While the knock offs may be cheap, the Stihls are by far a better value. They will last for years. I Stihl have the one I bought in the 90’s even after years of heavy use. It’s a back up saw now but just used it yesterday. It’s a lot heavier than the modern Stihls but that works in its favour when bucking firewood from large diameter logs.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@christianzaccone4347]

Steel products now are nowhere near what they were in the nineties. Unfortunately They're built just like everything else now. Engineer to work for a specific length time. Ask any pro and they will tell you that we'd rather have the old 80s & 90s o series Then these new saws. Had a steel o84 for 24 years. Worked every time like the day I bought it. Till the date some scumbag stole it.

[@tannerhartl5175]

@@christianzaccone4347 Dumbass geezer opinion

[@dufinsmrts]

​@@christianzaccone4347that's sad he must have known it was a good saw.

[@tri2brite313]

​@@christianzaccone4347 why are old sthil saws better? Because they are louder, heavier, vibrate more and burn fuel less efficiently? It's pretty hard to CONVINCE people that what they own is always NOT the best BECAUSE they own it. Just saying....

[@jimmiesrustledcherries5236]

I work in a in a stihl dealership and I sell and work on these saws all the time, I always watch these videos because it helps me compare brands and explain what’s better or worse, I always recommend anyone who’s interested in power tools like this one to watch this account, you always make a great breakdown

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much! Thanks for sharing the channel!

[@TradeWorks_Construction]

One factor that I really wish you would add as a “food for thought” is the hidden safety cost of cheap knock offs. 2 quick real life examples: A pilot friend who championed using harbor freight grinders so he didn’t have to swap discs … due to the power switch shape and force required his hand skipped right off the switch and right into the disc cutter. (Hospital bill $2000 + $250 carpet cleaner bill & 1 week mandatory time off cuz he couldn’t safely fly passenger airlines with his hand torn up and stitched) Myself while using a cheap Ryobi Hedge trimmer, the carb throttle would stick a little even after letting off the trigger keeping the blades moving (albeit slowly) for a good 10 seconds afterward. While pausing to clear cut branches out of the way I kept my left hand on the D Ring handle while using my dominant right to reach in. Fatigue caused my left hand to relax slightly which caused the back heavy engine to drop and the light blades in front to pop up right into my outreaching hand. Severed 3/4 of my thumb (tendons/nerves/vessels/bone) Hospital + Reconstructive Hand Surgery for the Thumb ($15,000) plus 3 summer months out of commission for my construction job. You can definitely find Chinese imports that will demonstrate great cost performance characteristics but as soon as you encounter a single injury and get that hospital bill you instantly will wish you could have paid $450 extra. When we are talking chainsaws safety is something you don’t screw around with (plastic bar tensioners and flexible clutch lock let’s see how that holds up to a 11,000 rpm chain that comes flying back at you cuz there was more than just a sprocket to grab it after the bar tension fails) I guess you can just buy 5 more replacements when that happens … assuming you still have all your limbs in tact to operate those masterpieces of recycled plastics, chinesium and leftovers that failed quality control.

[@realist9311]

THIS comment right here… there is no price on life and limb, these budget options are an accident waiting to happen

[@nathanielskiba6366]

Both of those "real life" stories were examples of stupidity.

[@TradeWorks_Construction]

@@nathanielskiba6366 You’re absolutely right and the one thing we can absolutely count on in this world is everyone (even the best) will make a stupid choice. The point though is if the people in the story had put more emphasis on quality than price they both could have avoided the painful lesson. And if you would like I would be happy to share the pictures from this “Real Life” Story 😉 and the subsequent hospital bill too. I keep them as a reminder to not cheap out on equipment.

[@richardflagg3084]

I like everything Todd reviews, especially the chainsaw related tests because that's what I do for a living (repair chainsaws). He's always thorough, accurate and honest. Stihl, and many other OPE manufacturers, has taken some pretty hefty increases this past year. Stihl has taken two price increases since October. I get it, inflation, supply, demand, yada, yada yada. I think 2 years ago that saw retailed for just over $400. The MS250 could be had for $299 during the spring sale in 2021. The cost of the Pro level saws is dizzying.

[@life_of_riley88]

What do you think of Husqvarna saws? We just picked up a rancher model. . .seems sweet, but is no lightweight with a 24" bar. Always been a Stihl family, but wanted to try the husky.

[@richardflagg3084]

@@life_of_riley88 I assume you have the 455? That's a tried and true model. Run the XP+ oil at 40:1 (3.2oz per gallon) and it will last even longer.

[@life_of_riley88]

@@richardflagg3084 Yep rancher 455! Thanks for the tip on oil, we'll run it that way.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

[@RedIron1066]

Another neat series of tests. How about a test of various brands of trash bags? You always do an amazing job on these!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@ac.creations]

Yes please. Similar to the glove testing.

[@imhooks]

Best household trash bag is the HDX Home Depot bag. I'd love to see a test but I won't buy another brand. For it's cost and durability it outperforms any other name brand bag I've used.

[@FLINTmitten810]

@@imhooks do you ever buy the hdx paper towel

[@imhooks]

@@FLINTmitten810 I haven't. They any good?

[@tomasrosalesr]

Whenever you upload a new video it makes me smile... Thank you! 😊

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you! That means a lot to me!

[@GrantOakes]

I really like your unbiased, analytical approach to product reviews!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@jbcowherder6210]

great test. I'd be curious to see how the internal construction of the $100 saws compares..... they had to cut corners somewhere build quality of things like the ignition system, the piston/rings/con rod and crankshaft would be interesting to see.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@rydplrs71]

Great video as always. Thank you. I was given an ms290 right after buying a 346xp. It’s a good saw. I usually run the xp just because it’s lighter, although I did just use the stihl for 2 maples that were about 20” round. I am considering a 372,ms440 or a holtzforma clone of one or the other. Putting those used against their clones new would be an episode I find entertaining and useful instead of mostly entertaining like this episode. Putting the ms250 and ms290 in the mix would help see how much advantage any of those options it. Edit:I have no hesitation spending your money for the episode. I might even be willing to buy the second place saw off you so you can keep the winner. 🎉

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@bixby9797]

I ran a 272xp for years cutting softwood logs and pulp with firewood (maple, yellow birch, beech) for home use on the side. Saw was a workhorse.

[@Tulip23232]

I can say that the Stihl will most likely outperform the knockoff before watching! My dad's personally put his Stihl (forgot the model name) through a lot of use over possibly 6+ years now and it's still working just as good! He only had to get the wires on the ignition coil fixed once, the rest has been changing bars/chains and cleaning it after each use. I will be editing this once I watch it, for now I just wanted to say thanks for still making these and big props for always having some amazing ideas! I loved the folding chainsaw vid! If you ever want to do something april fools related, a suggestion I have is test some crocs. I have one pair of thick rubber crocs at home which have saved my toes from some falling firewood (ok, not from head height, somewhere around waist height) and you could compare it to something as funny as barefoot or regular shoes. Edit: The testing methods are genius as always! As for the "knockoff" one, I meant the 58cc Saw which looks like a Stihl. I didn't expect to see the Topteng perform this well too!

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.

[@bixby9797]

The higher RPM's are the thing. Another is a metal bottom vs a plastic like on the cheaper model saws. My Jonsered Pro 52cc runs 13,000 rpm's and that makes all the difference. Had a Husky 41cc for 20 years and cut 8-10 cords a year with it. Finally gave up the ghost but I sure got my money's worth out of it. Stihl, Husky, Jonsered, Echo, Sachs (now Makita). Take your pick but make sure if your serious to go to a saw shop not a box store and get the higher end saws. BTW: you will see more Huskys than Stihl's in my woods with Stihl catching up now adays although I'm a Husky and Jonsered fan.

[@larsonjones1291]

Thanks!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for supporting the channel! I really appreciate it.

[@str8xrippin]

Love your videos, educating someone is not something easy to do and you do an outstanding job representing the various tools. Awesome work PF

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@martinlabuda117]

Interesting results, great testing, and well edited video, big thumbs up from me!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@azioprism3635]

*i love these knockoff reviews so much its unreal. tnx PF*

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!!

[@timsharpe3498]

I bought one of the 52cc Chinese 20 inch saws about two years ago. Every time I grab it it fires right up and it sounds amazing. I never expected it to last very long for $80 but it is exceeding my expectations so far. I never owned a Stihl brand saw but every one I ever used was nearly new and they were always difficult to get started.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@rusty2248]

Did the hand impact screwdrivers get any support?

[@ProjectFarm]

I only saw the communication between us and was hoping other viewers would give the request a like. Maybe there will be more interest this week.

[@coolbreezeatp]

I would like to see that myself. Good suggestion

[@rusty2248]

@@ProjectFarm you have seen the recommendation for the tool right?

[@lewiemcneely9143]

Good test, Commander and it went about like I thought it'd go. When I went looking for a mid-sized saw I ended up getting a new one because all the ones I found were really too big. I got a 261 or a 26 in the older number because they were recommended by my pal that ran the saw shop at the ACE and then got his own shop. He did all the repairs for the electric co-op and said that their 26's or 261's were the toughest he'd ever seen so that's what I got. They're a commercial grade saw and a SCREAMER like my old Super 45 was! The son-in-law finished cutting up all the logs here with it and a maple was very close to 36 inches through with a 20 inch bar. The tests you ran on these 3 were as good as there is and could be, no problem. The proof is in the cutting and no way around it. Hope yall are doing o.k. with all the big blows down around there. Thanks again and BLESSINGS to the whole Farm!

[@ProjectFarm]

Hi Lewie, Thank you for the positive feedback on the review! Great decision on the saw you purchased! That's a nice saw that'll last a long time! It's always a pleasure to read your comment! Wishing yall many BLESSINGS!!!

[@lewiemcneely9143]

@@ProjectFarm Yall too and I always try and get stuff based on the performance angle of it all. Price is in there too but what it will do and what it needs to do is almost foremost in the back of my balding head. Happy early spring and remain as calm as need be and God Bless!

[@majbach1968]

Another great video. I liked the fact that you tried the econo saws with a Stihl chain. Personally, everything I have owned from Stihl has had a negative impact on my mental health so I was rooting for the underdog. Looks like you have a slow hydraulic leak in that front-end loader.

[@jahmic]

The thing I love most about this channel are the honest reviews. It makes selecting new products much easier since I feel informed. The thing I hate most about this channel are the honest reviews. It makes selecting new products much easier by removing my indecision, leaving my wallet much lighter. At least this time I have escaped unscathed and more confident that I made the right decision buying my MS261 a few years ago!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@sesquila]

It would be interesting to test the effectiveness of the air filters, because that would have a significant impact on the longevity of the saws. Great clip though!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@nashguy207]

Another great video. I also wonder how how the knock off saws would hold up long term compared to the stihl. I have 2 stihl saws that are over 10 years old and they are still running great and cutting wood good.

[@dad1432]

Knockoffs get the job done but easily break if you drop them, like I often do.

[@timebandit2951]

I would just like to say I bought a stihl After trying many different chain saw. The reason; I have rumitoid arthritis is both hands. The pulling and the vibrations in the other saws was so bad 👎 😫 it really hurt and could not go into the woods to get wood with my kids anymore. However to me the stilh is easier to start and a lot less vibration in the bar and chain. So I can now enjoy 😉 gathering firewood with my kids again. Thank you Stilh, you folks are awesome. Your saw may cost more, but part of my life I thought was gone forever. Is back.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@sapelesteve]

Another excellent product show down video PF! Stihl products are great. However, for the minimal amount of cutting that I would be doing with a chain saw & the monetary consideration, that Topteng would be my choice! Thanks for all of your videos! 👍👍

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

[@oby-1607]

Stihl is the only saw in this household and it runs year after year. It would be interesting to see the long term of maybe over 3-5 years to see if the knock-offs are still running and are usable. A year by year update if possible would be nice.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@lt.lasereyez8891]

Owned a few budget ones in the past, they don't last long but didn't want to spend a 1000 on a Still so bought a second hand Husqvarna from the 90's from a dude who threw his back out, best tool in my shed and has been for years.

[@megaluckydog1212]

... if they haven't torn your leg up, lol.

[@bjjohns]

Only one note. Always drain the fuel in a Stihl if you only use it occasionally.

[@CbrF4i600cc]

For 1/5th the price.. 5 knock offs will out last 1 stihl

[@cocon16_PW]

I really like how thorough is this one. I appreciate that you have included the cutting tests with no weight, just with you operating the saw. Although there is human there, I think it is more accurate since stronger motors can be pushed harder.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@pajamatime5750]

You know one of the biggest debates I can think of in the “what oil is best” world is that of the 2-stoke snowmobile engine! I sure would love to see your tests and results on what oil protects a 2-stroke sled engine the best. Categories like cleanest burning, exhaust valve buildup, piston scoring and long term lubrication could be explored…. People would love that! I think you’re just the man for the job!!!!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@johnosczakiewicz9740]

Yup" would really like to see that !!

[@brucesmit]

Nice test! The build quality of the Stihl seems a lot higher, so I'm curious what the difference in durability is. But I guess that would be a bit hard to test.

[@leifvejby8023]

I wondered the same - could be interesting with a test after 200 hours.

[@festerofest4374]

There is no question in my mind the durability of the Stihl would be far better. Those Chinese saws look like they just wouldn't withstand the rough life that even an occasional use homeowner saw sees.

[@sparqqling]

That Stihl will break much later and when that happens you can get the replacement parts, in the long run the cheaper option.

[@willemveldhuizen704]

Would love to see a video on (framing) hammers, ranging from cheap basic hammers all the way to something as high end as a Martinez M1. Curious about how brands like Estwing and Vaughn would compare to the Martinez and even basic $10 Home Depot hammers.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@bixby9797]

That's one I'd like to see. I've used an Estwing for years but I've wondered if Martinez or Stiletto was worth the price.

[@willemveldhuizen704]

@@bixby9797 I swung a 20oz steel Fiskars but bit the bullet and got the 15oz Martinez M1. What a hammer. Hits way harder than the Fiskars yet feels 50% lighter. Basically does the work for you, an absolute joy to use. Can not recommend it enough. Not trying to get anyone into serious financial trouble but if you’ve been doubting getting one, this is your sign. Get one, you will not regret it.

[@samuelrowland1209]

Video Idea: I would be really interested in calipers. I think that there's a lot of different options out there and I always want to know whether it is worth spending the extra money for them. I need precise measurements, but sometimes I don't want to break the bank if something would work for cheaper.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the video idea.

[@AustinDemeyere]

Second this, that would be a great test

[@galaxywide6760]

If you need precise measurements, you need a micrometer rather than calipers. Even a cheap mic is vastly more accurate than a set of calipers.

[@joesikkspac7904]

​@Galaxywide what a machinist considers accurate is usually a smidge or ten different than the average bloke.

[@joesikkspac7904]

The biggest difference between cheap and expensive calipers is the build quality. A couple of guys at work are on their third fowler brand calipers that aren't IP67 rated, while I'm still using my 17 year old Mitutoyo IP67 8" caliper. If you work in an environment where you use cutting fluids or you will be sweating, you absolutely must have an IP65 or IP67 rated digital. Dials are obviously liquid proof except for when they get submerged and the dial numbers are ruined. Dust and dirt are the big enemy of dial calipers. Vernier can withstand everything but bad eyes.

[@evancathey3968]

I would love to see caulking tested! So many different kinds that all don't explain what they are good for. Testing categories could be stretchiness, Bonding to wood/metal/mdf/paint. Curing around moisture? Amount they shrink over the curing process, paintability, (does it shine through paint and how long do you have to wait to paint/cure time, ease of cleanup, I always have trouble buying caulking. The different types are really hard to tell differences on. They can be drastically different prices and I don't want to waste money when it isn't necessary. It might be good to know what the chemical makeup is a little bit, that way we can be educated about the buzz words if we see caulking not included in the test specifically.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you for the video idea!

[@stevenohnsat7535]

Yes this please

[@oldtruckswork8989]

Would have been interesting to include a mid priced saw such as the equivalent Husqvarna.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@Timothy-NH]

A plunge cut would have been a interesting test. That tree you cut down, looking at the rings, looks like it was once 2 trees side by side that eventually grew into one tree.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@youtubeisawesome2487]

the double heart was at the limb split at the top not the butt

[@user-gi3xj8nz3s]

Just bought the topteng 52cc for home use it works just fine 4th item I buy just by watching your video reviews. Good job keep up the good work. Would you happen to know where I can buy a replacement carburetor or parts to have on hand for this saw ? Do you have a link for the topteng parts ?

[@TheHappyHermit]

The amount of value you provide with your in depth comparisons is nothing shy of incredible. It's great to know when a guy can pinch a few pennies on a quality budget brand vs spending the money on the big name. I love my stihl 291. My new honda 3200i generator, not so much. Had I seen your engine comparison video sooner, I'd have saved 3k and opted for the predator powered unit. Keep up the great content 🍻

[@ProjectFarm]

Will do, thank you!

[@edifyguy]

No way. You did the right thing on that Honda. PARTS. DURABILITY. I keep things like this forever, and use them extensively. Having to replace the whole unit because something little is worn is a non-starter for me. I use a lot of older equipment, but it's all quality. It works great. It's reliable. I hardly need parts, but when I do, I can get them. I'm never going to start buying junk just to save upfront.

[@TheHappyHermit]

@GreatNorthernDad I was replacing an old tried and true honda from the 90s. The new fuel injected unit is very hard to start. Floods itself first pull if Temps are below freezing and I don't pull it 6 times with the ignition in the off position prior to trying it. If I run it on echo mode in winter, the thing doesn't stay warm enough and condensation happens inside the motor (that's what honda told me). So the oil gets water in it and becomes over full requiring I dump it. Honda said they are working on a software update to solve it but wouldn't take the unit back despite me calling both the dealership and corporate office 24 hours after purchase. This $3,500 dollar generator has been hands down the least reliable engine I've owned. I'd probably trade it straight across for the predator at this point

[@edifyguy]

@@TheHappyHermit Wow. That's not the norm, but certainly understandable why you'd rather have the Predator in that situation. Out of curiosity why did you replace the 90s one?

[@TheHappyHermit]

@GreatNorthernDad it was starting to burn a lot of oil and struggle under some loads. Many thousands of hours on it. Getting a little tired. It wasn't uncommon for it to see 30 hours of runtime a week when the cloudy winter limited solar power. I still have it, but I figured it was time to get a fresh dependable unit to last another many years. The 3200i is their first fuel injected unit. Had I bought one of the usual carburetor models I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem. I'll get the old one completely rebuilt this season and save the 3200i as a backup.

[@georgesteffens7489]

Love the comparison! It really shows in this video how much effort, prep and organization you invest in your videos, and that is awesome! I think the real proof in the pudding would be years from now which one is still kicking. I've worked as a volunteer FF and now municipal maintenance, and both jobs always had Stihl saws around, and they kicked butt for years and years. Many of which looked like they shouldn't be working but still were. And now, if I can't breath some life into an old freebie Poulon Pro which (I believe) just needs fuel lines, then it's going in the trash and I'll be saving for a Stihl.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

[@shannonwhitaker9630]

This is a laugh. These Chi Com 5200 52cc saws are not Stihl clones or knock offs and have never been advertised as such. These are copies of Zenoah 5200 Jap saws. So much for analytic thorough precise research.

[@agentorange3117]

A friend has a cheap knockoff and surprisingly performs well. I also bought a knock-off ms381 for an in-between as my ms 661c was too big at times, and my ms251c was too small at times. For a knockoff in between saw, it's pretty good, and I would recommend it. Just don't think you can have a knockoff as a stand-alone saw. Each to their own I guess.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@billcuningham586]

As always, your videos are great. I think you get what you pay for and the one thing you can't demonstrate is durability and how long something will last. I had a Stihl chainsaw (sorry can't recall the model) that was still working after 20 years of hard use (lived at the 4,000 foot level in the Sierras in California and heated my home with wood stoves and bucked about 6-7 cords a year). Retired and moved to Oregon and don't heat with wood anymore but bought a Stihl MS251 a couple of years ago since I have about 100 oak trees on my property and still need a chainsaw. I imagine this saw will outlive me.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for sharing.

[@shannonwhitaker9630]

Stihl saws are awesome, especially in the Pro Series. If however you only have $80-100 to spend these 52cc Zenoah clone saws do work well considering the price. It’s luck of the draw because you could get a bad one that is a POS out the box.

[@GuiltySiNz]

I ain’t never cut down a tree but man that video was informative, well edited and entertaining. Watched the whole thing. Nobody does it like this man. Kudos to you my guy for all the hard work, Very much appreciated.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks so much!

[@stillwater62]

Another great, educational, and well done video. Always interesting content. Thanks for going to all of the trouble to make these fantastic videos.

[@ProjectFarm]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@potteryjoe]

Excellent tests, as always. I'd love to see a longevity review of these budget saws in a few years

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@nunyabizness9216]

You spelled days wrong. The chinesium saws are garbage from top to bottom.

[@potteryjoe]

@@nunyabizness9216 lol yeah, I got a Coocheer (or something) for around $100. It lasted for a couple weeks of light use.

[@riverraisin1]

I replaced a 1990's Husqvarna with a Poulan Pro about 5 years ago. They are both quite similar in build, but I actually like the Poulan Pro better, quality-wise. And it was half the price. Been serving me well all this time for occasional use.

[@paullavender-pc1uz]

Thank you very much I live in Colorado. I do a lot of logging and I’m glad to see that a top tang is such a good saw. I have huskies and stills, but I would like to have a top tang just as a throw around saw and one my neighbor could borrow, but anyway, thank you so much for the extensive scientific evaluation of the saws.

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome!

[@bartjanflikkema9054]

The Chinese knock offs actually seem to have a lot in common with the Japanese Zenoah G5000/5200 if I look at the general construction of the saws. Also sold as Redmax, Hitachi and Tanaka. Some of their newer saws are even sold as Husqvarna. A comparison between the Chinese and the original would be nice to see, as I also understood that the Zenoah is like the blueprint for the Chinese chainsaws. A lot of parts are even interchangeable.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@cameronhawkins3006]

Does the tractor have a hydraulic leak? It seemed like it was slowly falling in the time lapse of the log cutting. Great video as usual! We greatly appreciate your time and efforts put into the content you produce.

[@ProjectFarm]

Yes it does. I need to address it. Thank you

[@gorkyd7912]

@@ProjectFarm I also have hydraulic leaks... Wonder if those hydraulic leak fixer chemicals work...hint hint.

[@paypwnz]

Hydraulic oil always leaks trough valves back to tank

[@lordred7462]

​@@paypwnzof course not when everything is fine.

[@paypwnz]

@@lordred7462 spool valves and pumps always have a small

[@Bensam123]

Pretty ridiculous that they can't even manage to do this stuff on Consumer Reports, when you supposedly pay them to do it. Good job as always, keep up the content.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@looksie]

Hey! I've noticed on recent videos you've stopped mentioning where each product is made. It may seem small but that was one of my favourite parts about these videos just because pretty much nowhere else documents country of origin and I feel like that's valuable information that deserves to be preserved. I may be in the minority here since I haven't seen any other comments mentioning it but just wanted to give my two cents. Regardless, thank you for all your hard work and for the service you provide by making these videos.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

[@Argedis]

"Knock Off" videos are the most entertaining!

[@ProjectFarm]

Yes indeed. They are a LOT of fun to actually test too.

[@matoko123]

Great tests. My bottom end Huskvarna appears rather better than the Stihl. For starters it has a primer, After a winter lay off with old fuel in it she always starts second pull.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

[@foeke8740]

It would be more interesting to test the knockoffs against the around 25 year old original. Other than that, nice test!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

[@kittytrail]

yep, durability is where the chinese knock-offs usually fail. could be fine for a few cuts here and there every month though. 🙄

[@foeke8740]

@@kittytrail in most cases, you would be right. But some brands make pretty decent +100 knockoffs. Copies of the Stihl 090 and 080. They are actually used for milling. And that is the worst thing you could do to a chain saw, other than cutting mangrove roots underwater.

[@orroz1]

When felling trees, the reliability of the saw is of paramount importance. Once you have started cutting into the trunk, you have passed the point of no return. If the saw then breaks down or stops, you have a problem. If only bucking or limbing trees, it will only be an annoyance if the saw stops.

[@TheBlindReaper]

Your videos and effort never cease to amaze! No one does it like you, my man 💪another great video, thank you! 🙌😄

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@bobojenkins5805]

Alot of Stihl fanboys don't realize that not everybody has 20 years of chainsawing work to do. Why not get a cheaper brand if you just have to clear your backyard of like 20 trees

[@ProjectFarm]

Good Point!

[@darkshaman7087]

The real test is 10 years down the line when the stihl is still going and the others have been dead for 8 years

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@bobs12andahalf2]

Depends how you use it. I have a very similar saw for home use, about four years old and still going strong.

[@darkshaman7087]

@ yes I do agree with you but also with some cheaper models parts do go on them and they are hard to obtain to replace but not long back I bought a Parkside chainsaw it cost £70 in the U.K and got a 3 years guarantee if something goes wrong with it so a good deal to be honest and I have had it as a backup and it’s really good

[@niio111]

Husqvarna is a good mid range saw brand that deserves testing. The 450 Rancher is similar in power to the MS291 with a street price of $380-420. It has a primer bulb and compression release, so it starts in a couple of easy pulls. This is what I have and it keeps up with the Stihl in all but the most demanding use.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@Aleks_Mechanics]

Notification SQuad Have a nice weekend!🔥🔥🔥

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you and you too!

[@ryanclarke2161]

Awesome video Todd. Glad to see team PF is still making fantastic A1 grade vids every week.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thank you!

[@theezeelife292]

For the prices of the budget saws, there are significantly better saws available for just a little bit more, so the Topteng and 58cc wouldn't even make it on my list. Thanks for the great video. You provide a great service for everyone who wants to get the most out of our money.

[@peanutgallery5245]

What slightly more expensive ones would you recommend?

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks and you are welcome!

[@theezeelife292]

@@peanutgallery5245 You can pick up a Ryobi, Craftsmen, or Poulan for between $125 and $185. They're no Stihl or Echo, but they're certainly better than the $100 ones shown here.

[@jrisnerny]

Great video. I like how you speak quickly but clearly. Feels like I watched a 20 min video in just under 12 with great content.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!

[@towboatjeff]

I'd like to see ya take the topteng and see if you can do some upgrades to it to make it perform at the same level as the stihl.

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@andrewwastien]

@@ProjectFarm I think the holzforma it's the closest thing to a stihl but sometimes they need a carb tune up

[@1pcfred]

@@andrewwastien I was thinking the 58cc saw might have needed some tuning.

[@towboatjeff]

@Paul Frederick I highly doubt that saw was truly a 58cc engine. I'd say it was the same exact size as the other if not smaller.

[@towboatjeff]

@@andrewwastien those holzformas are pretty decent from what I've seen.

[@genebond]

As always, thanks for the great info! About 10 years ago, I was needing a new and better chainsaw, and did my research. I got talked into an off brand by a dealer (who is no longer in business), and it only lasted a few years before the oil pump quit. I immediately went to town and bought a Stihl MS251. I couldn't be happier. I remember 20 years ago, wishing my saw had a bigger gas tank. Now, I wish it was smaller, so I could justify taking a break more often 😁 How about a review of Grass/weed/vegetation killers? I like Roundup Extended, but you never know?

[@ProjectFarm]

You are welcome! Thanks for sharing. Thanks for the video idea.

[@TCPUDPATM]

No good pun today, but Stihl my most favorite channel…

[@ProjectFarm]

lol. Nice!!

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[@meohmy]

Loved the comperson of the saws would like to see name brands like Johnsred steel ect But I would like to know on fuel additives which one's really do work or even burn for if in the fuel tank they should burn like fuel but I have found most don't even the ones that remove water how do they work ? Just thinking

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks for the suggestion.

[@JasonConBongos]

Heck yeah we are ready for the next video! We're Gonna Test Thaaaaat...!

[@ProjectFarm]

Thanks!