Darth Traya/Kreia's Motives Explained!!

[@maarvin2092]

I still find it funny how she outright tells you that there is no plotwist in this game :D

[@100StarWars]

The Plot Twist is that there is no Plot Twist! PlotTwistception.

[@maarvin2092]

100% Star Wars wow

[@MundiaLizm]

Haha shes seen Empire Strikes Back - she knows what yall are expecting ;)

[@Iriscience]

kreia is so strong in the force that she knows shes in a video game

[@keithfoester7326]

we love a woke queen craya

[@KingOfMadCows]

I remember reading some interviews with the developers who said that a big reason why they were able to introduce so many new ideas and develop the universe so much was because George Lucas and LucasArts were too busy working on Revenge of the Sith and all of its tie ins to worry about KotoR 2. So it's interesting how this game likely would have ended up very different if Lucas had been able to keep a closer eye on its development. And considering how they've pretty much ignored KotoR 2 and even actively tried to retcon it, I'm guessing that Lucas or LucasArts did not like the ideas it introduced.

[@100StarWars]

It's very possible, although what a shame it would be if it were true :(

[@jasonleslie203]

I agree he may or may not accept these ideas. But i agree that the ideas made this game so epic the story was epic. I wish they could have finished it but even incomplete it was so amazing. Great storyline beyond a simple light vs dark. It has real world applications

[@phyrr2]

Because all they want is something easy for the masses which is heroes and villains. People polarize themselves as it makes it easier for every day life in decision making. Most don't like the idea of the Grey. They're called cowards, or fallen Jedi or pick an insult. This is because most people don'y understand that life is more complicated than just good vs. evil. A proper view would be cause and effect. Usually older people who have struggled through life, especially entrepreneurs understand this grey area. Laying off good employees by itself can be seen as bad. But laying them off so the business can survive and continue to employ the rest is looking at the long term. As opposed to the short-sighted reactionary decisions people expect. Everyone's too busy looking at the shallow face value. The more critical thinking required in a decision, the less people want to face such a decision. Or they'd rather over-simplify the situation and fool themselves.

[@LeftytheGansterGremlin]

@@phyrr2 Dear God. I need to play this game again. Because I never understood it the first time. Thank you for telling me this. I also agree that grey isn't a bad thing. A guy I know of personally makes these really high-quality stop-motion films on KZbin about Plastic Apacolypse. The story is about Armies of Green, Tan, Grey and Blue plastic soldiers fight in an all out conflict in their own miniature plastic war. He said so many times that There were no villains. It's just war. Each nation is just as in the wrong as they are in the right. It just goes to show that it's easier to market good vs bad. It's a shame I never understood Kreia until now.

[@Vulpes89]

Lucas doesn't like these ideas. When the EU introduced a similar character called Vergere who hated the dark and light side equally Lucas intervened and had her become a dark side user who was manipulating people to fall. This was all pre Disney of course

[@chibidakis1]

I think Disney should be knocking at Chris Avellone's door in this time of great need.

[@100StarWars]

I think they should just give Chris the keys to Lucasfilm to be honest.

[@GreenChillZone]

They have for Jedi Fallen Order, but honestly I don't think that's going to be near this game's depth, especially since the setting doesn't give him as much freedom as the Old Republic era did.

[@mdd4296]

@@GreenChillZone Jedi fallen order had the opposite lesson this game did lmao. They teased Chris's writing style with Teron Malichos then revealing him to be the bad guy in seconds, dont question the morality of our setting, dont question the disney overlords.

[@ccgaming6464]

Someone from Lucasfilm knocks on his door with a briefcase with the contract and ownership paperwork and the moment he answers the person from Lucasfilm holds it out and is like "Here you go your in charge with Dave and Jon Favreau Kennedy has been fired."

[@peterparker1683]

Kriea>>>>current Star Wars Canon

[@100StarWars]

Hmm, I can agree with that to an extent :D

[@thorshammer7883]

Definitely the EU is far better. Sure SWTOR is a mix bag but the good far out weigh the bad.

[@Maverick8t88]

Thor's Hammer The Thrawn Trilogy is better, yes. Shadows of the Empire is better. But things like Darksaber, The Children of the Jedi, Planet of Twilight, The Glove of Darth Vader, the Han Solo trilogy, the Black Fleet Trilogy, and so forth make the EU as a whole disposable. Better to cherry pick, burn off the dross and refine the best parts. Just my opinion, tho

[@jozefkrpelan2983]

@@thorshammer7883 If you still consider things only good and bad, obviously you didnt even understood the story of star wars knights of the old republic or didnt even played or read it at all.

[@GreenChillZone]

I'm not a huge fan of Disney's contributions, but to be fair to them, the writing of this game kicks the asses of even Lucas's films and The Clone Wars. The only thing I can name from my (admittedly not the most expansive) experience with Legends that is even close to this game's depth is Darth Plagueis.

[@skofnung7110]

My favorite character in StarWars. Period! She has so many layers, brings so many new things to the table. And her voiceacting is some of the best in games I have ever seen. I once did a playthough where I attempted to walk the grey, neutral line....and was heartbroken when she said that I had failed her!

[@100StarWars]

Apathy is death!

[@christyjia8449]

Dear RJ, KK, and JJ: *THIS* is an amazingly written character...who also happens to be female. WHY DOESN'T YOUR SEQUEL TRILOGY HAVE ANY? Darth Traya/Kreia is probably my 2nd-fave Star Wars character of all time.

[@100StarWars]

^^

[@shannonkinnaird5964]

Totally agree

[@irinthius9518]

Who is your favourite then? :D

[@jjb33083]

Tell em!!!

[@MrWill9002]

Don't forget Meetra

[@PapitoQinn]

Cheers! Very well done. You're absolutely right. She placed herself in a win win situation. Kill the exile, the force is no longer there to manipulate peoples lives in perpetual war among the stars, these star wars, if you will. Exile defeats Kreia, she goes on to lay the foundation of a new Jedi Order. In the bedrock of that foundation, Kreia's teachings. By the way, I'm still looking for that clip. You may no longer need it, but I will find it.

[@100StarWars]

Thanks dude! I really hope you find it, it's a good quote!

[@maarvin2092]

Papito Qinn just that meetras new jedi order wasnt that different from the old one.

[@PapitoQinn]

Marwin Waagner It can argued that over time the teachings eroded and/or new weaknesses were created in the order. Weaknesses that Palpatine exploited. However, I have a hard time seeing someone like Yoda in the old Jedi Order.

[@100StarWars]

Just look at the SWTOR Era Jedi Order! Very, VERY different.

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

I think we can say that it was the ruusan reformation that led to that erosion. It is stated that during the war there were the Jedi Lords who ruled planets or even entire systems which implies that they had officialized power in economics, politics and military which is very different from the jedi of PT actually who did not had much of a governmental authority or independence comparatively. although it's pure headcanon but I like to believe that it has something to do with the Exile as she was a follower of a technical warlord and she was the one jedi at the time who answered to the call to action time and time an again.

[@elliotgreen2279]

She is absolutely incredibly well written, I think she should be put into a movie or series. And is the entity from swtor really traya

[@100StarWars]

It is heavily implied to be her :/

[@ozonethegreat6948]

Some sjw director would just screw it up lol

[@timometsanoja9666]

The entity is probably her... I didn't like that too much, but it was a nod to Kotor2, so I can respect that. Though nothing will give enough credit to this character. She is just so deep and out of the box type that you basically never see in any story. I would like to see her in some movie/tv series too, but "I have a bad feeling about this" when it would be made, that it would fall flat of any expectations on it. Much like the "entity" Swtor.

[@anteprs7908]

no the devs said it isnt her

[@solonasisco2580]

@@ozonethegreat6948 As if a director can't be both SJW and a lover of philosophy, including Nietzsche.

[@blunatmay4459]

I "formed" Kreia's Code: "There is no truth in the Force; there is no great revelation, no great secret; there is only you. If you are to truly understand, you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single idea. It is conflict that strengthens us and isolation that weakens us, erodes us, grow past these infatile delusions of right and wrong. It is a far greater victory to make another see through the eyes of the exile, than to close theirs forever. Take care not to give in to vanity and arrogance; this breeds complacency and stagnation, instead, trust in your feelings; they will lead you in conquering the many challenges that the future holds for you. The highest mysteries cannot be found by falling to the Dark side, instead, reach out with your perceptions. Everyone is made up of events in their past, turning away from that which tempts you or causes you fear is not strength, facing it is. Never doubt what you have done, all your decisions have brought you to this point."

[@100StarWars]

Very nice!

[@blunatmay4459]

@@100StarWars Thanks man, that's why it was important. Well, I hope it fits Kreia.

[@100StarWars]

@@blunatmay4459 fixed?

[@bullseye5262]

I agree up to a point. You didn’t express Kriea’s view of morality nor did you express that she openly accepts challenges to her beliefs. I got a couple of extra quotes to express that "I cannot force you to listen to reason, only hope that you will grow past these infantile delusions of right and wrong." “To believe in an ideal, is to be willing to betray it. It is something no Sith or Jedi has ever truly learned." Other than that good comment, but I feel that a “code” is the wrong word

[@blunatmay4459]

@@bullseye5262 Well, I "formed" this Code with her general Quotes, not her opinions, you know? I mean, that one with ideals is her point of view, her opinion...

[@Chefvonbreezy]

No one: Absolutely no one: No one at all: Kreia: Betrayal!

[@keayart]

The characters and story is amazing! I've never been legitimately passionate about the Star Wars franchise until now- even with seeing all the movies. Thank you for making these videos!

[@100StarWars]

Thank you for watching them, it means a lot 😊

[@curzon9619]

Through my playthrough, I gathered that she wanted to manipulate me to become as strong as possible. Manipulate Nihilus and Sion to become weaker than I. She manipulated both sides of the spectrum so that I may kill Sion and Nihilus to protect the Republic and all who live in it. She wanted to save all life by undermining the two other sith lords. And hopefully, if she could destroy the force itself. Although I think she would have accepted death if she could not destroy the force. She would accept death if it meant Meetra was strong enough to kill her as well as deny the destruction of the force. In my opinion, she felt the death of the force was only a secondary objective. Or at least a long term primary one. To me, I think Kreia would have accepted that she might die before the force does, as long as Meetra was able to fix the mistakes of prior Jedi and hopefully push her teachings onto other Jedi, enlightening them for a better future.

[@michaelblower7363]

Well Kreia did say that she wanted to win by proving everyone else wrong. :-)

[@theprodigalknight7156]

Kreia/Darth Traya is such a brilliant character and remains one of the best and most complex star wars villains to this day along with Revan but like you said she wasn't truly evil much like her pupil they both turned to the dark side and Weren't afraid to sacrifice many people for their cause but it was necessary to prevent a greater evil that would save more lives than would be taken. Kreia was right though the Jedi teachings were wrong plus the ignorance that had develped within the order which was especially noticeable with Master Vrook who was extremely arrogant. You can see why Revan studied under her, it's said he learned from many Jedi masters but he always came back to her, there's no doubt her cryptic and mysterious nature attracted him with his hunger for knowledge. Her talents was her intelligence and how she was able to manipulate the exile into killing Nihilus and Sion after they betrayed her as well as use meetra to test the theory could force users survive without the force. I haven't read the Revan novelization but have looked into the key things that happened in it. If my memory serves me correctly; Lord Scourge had a vision that someone else was meant to kill the Sith emperor not Revan and stabbed Meetra in the back, killing her. I believe this was the result of lazy writing, she didn't deserve that kind of death after everything that happened in Kotor 2. There was a theory surrounding kreia suggesting that she may have actually been Master Arren Kae who was also Brianna/handmaidens mother. The Jedi council thought kreia died in the mandalorian wars and Arren kae did, what's your opinion on this theory?

[@100StarWars]

It definitely was lazy writing killing Meetra in such a way. Drew Karpyshyn cared little for the KOTOR 2 story and characters when writing the book. As for Kreia being Arren, I think it makes sense. There's a lot of pointers to it being the case, but at the sane time, there are some inconsistencies.

[@CuteGallifreyian]

Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you. Because most Star Wars films are filled with that, great surprises and twists. Such as Vader being Luke's father and of course KOTOR I's awesome plot twist. OMG....your PC is .....Revan. So Kreia's saying this leaves basically a gotcha on this game. I love this game. I think KOTOR II is one of Star Wars misunderstood games and it's like an orphan child game. It's not like any other Star Wars game or plot. The closest to it is Luke Skywalker's bitterness found in the Last Jedi and his saying that it's time for the Jedi to end. His bitterness almost echoes Kreia's bitterness about the Force and the failure of teachings. I think it's one of the reasons why people dislike The Last Jedi. There are other things....that people dislike about The Last Jedi, but one of the things is that it rings too philosophical and a lot of people don't like that....they want a clear cut good vs. evil and well KOTOR II and The Last Jedi is not that either.

[@100StarWars]

And it's why KOTOR 2 is my favorite Star Wars Story!

[@alexb9969]

Please don't spit on Kreia's grave by comparing her to Jake Skywalker =)))). She was betrayed by the Jedi Council,The Two Dark Lords, her most esteemed apprentice waged a war on the Republic that nobody understood, and in the end her final student chose to turn against her vision for the galaxy, and I believe this pleased her the most. For if Meetra was strong enough to destroy her, which she insisted on, it meant her teachings have worked. It is also my belief that by extinguishing the Force ('perhaps I held the Galaxy by its throat') she would have decapitated the true Sith Empire, severing their power and letting them fall into ruin, much like the Rakata had. She learned of their fate for sure in that 5 year gap and I believe she was confident this could even be a backup plan, but she needed the Exile alive. Whatever happened, people would have lived without the force, and in the absence of the Sith retribution hundreds of millions wouldn't have died. But did she actually care about the general well being of the people in the Galaxy, of the Republic even? You see how nuanced Kreia is. That you may ask endless questions about her intentions and true self. Where is this grandeur in Episode 8?

[@CuteGallifreyian]

@@alexb9969 why is it so hard for people to accept that Luke could become jaded and be disillusioned? Kreia also became jaded and disillusioned because of the circumstances that had happened. People change. People are not the same at age 18 as they are at 25 or 30. The world and the universe can really beat the shit out of you. Sorry you disagree with my assessment but both are valid points.

[@thehod2616]

easily my all time favorite video game character

[@100StarWars]

One of mine too :)

[@starlighter93]

My thoughts about what you said at the end - Meetra's fate and ToR ignoring KotOR 2... yeah, it seems like it's a wasted opportunity. But I think, that Kreia's teachings had to be forgotten and the Jedi Order had to be rebuilt with the same, flawed Jedi Code. Because nearly 4000 years later, it is that same Jedi Code that causes the downfall of the Jedi Order and the rise of Palpatine. If Meetra actually built a new Jedi Order with a new, critically revised Jedi Code, than the whole Star Wars film saga wouldn't have happened. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but this makes it more acceptable for me. :D

[@100StarWars]

I mainly mean in between the Events of KOTOR 2 and SWTOR. I would imagine the Jedi would revert back to the code as the rule of law over the course of 3.6 thousand years.

[@starlighter93]

Yeah, it makes sense.

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

I think we can say that it was the ruusan reformation that led to that erosion. It is stated that during the war there were the Jedi Lords who ruled planets or even entire systems which implies that they had officialized power in economics, politics and military which is very different from the jedi of PT actually who did not had much of a governmental authority or independence comparatively. although it's pure headcanon but I like to believe that it has something to do with the Exile as she was a follower of a technical warlord and she was the one jedi at the time who answered to the call to action time and time an again.

[@ABFan-bj2uj]

Maybe it actually did happen, but something happened, and her order gained a bad reputation. Eventually, Luke Skywalker restored Meetra Surik-Kavar’s order. What? In my headcanon, Meetra Surik married Kavar.

[@redshadowtheultimate]

watch the philosophy of kreia on youtube. it explains everything so well

[@100StarWars]

I mean, that goes wayyyy beyond a simple explanation of her motives, but yes!

[@redshadowtheultimate]

This video defiantly explains her motives... That video changed me as a human being

[@100StarWars]

Ah, then I have succeeded :)

[@redshadowtheultimate]

100% Star Wars the philosophy video is sheer brilliance... Kreia is my favorite character thanks to that video. She taught me how to become stronger. What she has done to me is made me stop giving into anger over such small matters, to find the strength to walk 6 miles at night, and what she says about the force goes for money as well. How I hate it cause it seems to have a mind of its own.

[@MultiNumenor]

@@redshadowtheultimate too bad that the same person who made the video about the philosophy of Kreia simply throw away what he is constructed before by arbirtrarly discard the third solution he explained to us in the next video. I see that everytime someone see an alternative or a solution from total selfelessness and repression of your humanity, or total selfishness and corruption of power, they simply turn away because this will mean the end of Star Wars entirely, but atleast with a good ending. People like him wanna see the eternal conflict between jedi and sith forever for their own appealing, and the galaxy will be doomed to an eternal tragic war. I mean why show us a problem and you don't dare to accept the solution when you see it? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHawlJKJlNt0qc0

[@mateobilbao3827]

Wow, you put it very clearly. I've always been puzzled about Kreia since my frist playthrough as a kid, it's so awesome to understand now!

[@100StarWars]

I'm glad it has helped things become clearer for you :)

[@CuteGallifreyian]

I agree about the story of Meetra and KOTOR II in the Revan novel was brushed aside. That's why I hate that novel. It has some good moments but to disregard Kreia and the crew and the teachings is a disservice to what KOTOR II was. Instead, they paint Kreia as some random Sith and she really wasn't. She was far more complex. She was exiled from the Jedi and then exiled from the Sith and severed from the Force. Revan didn't want Meetra either and it was said the Malak wanted her killed but Revan let her go saying she was dead,so the Sith rejected Meetra at that point. However, I look at Revan letting Meetra go as a distraction of sorts so the Jedi would be more keyed on her than on his own conquest of the galaxy, Yet, when Meetra goes to the Jedi and they cast her out as well. So in that concept. Meetra and Kreia's relationship is similar in tone. Both are exiles from both sides. This makes Kreia's desire to teach the Exile a lot stronger because they are united from a common background even more so if you accept the Kreia is Arren Kae theory.

[@TintelFruit]

AMEN

[@TheKueiJin]

Not really... think a bit deeper, she has seen the horrid effect the Force has upon those connected to it, being exiled, and the Force being taken from her, only cemented that belief. But this was done *to* her. She came to this conclusion after being forced to see it. Someone else, who came to do, by choice, where not even she could do... That was what attracted Traya to the Exile. Now perhaps she despises the Force... perhaps that's why we keep thinking she wishes the death of the Force. But what she wants perhaps is that we see the Force for what it truly it is, and maybe in doing so we can truly understand what it does to us... And the Exile, is the only one that chose to look at the Force, and cast it aside, to look at the universe from the outside, the only one that was capable to see what she saw, on his/her own.

[@beverlybradford6725]

I'm re-playing this game right now. That is why I clicked on this video. Kreia is one of my favorite characters. Her character is so interesting. She introduced a new view of the Force that I never knew in the world of Star Wars.

[@amcolon99]

An iconic character and perhaps even one of the best, well-written female characters in gaming history. That’s just my opinion on that. Nevertheless, her views on the Force, the philosophies of both the Jedi and Sith, as well as her own motive and teachings against the Force, still fascinates me. In one way, one can understand her perspective if they were put in her shoes, to try to save the galaxy from the Force’s grip and influence, and so forth. The Exile is also another iconic character, with everything she had undergone, but to also reject the Force to survive, and in some ways, be human. Shame the Jedi Council were too ignorant to try to understand her and what she did. Anyways, I’ll stop rambling on. xD Excellent video.

[@100StarWars]

Thank You! And your opinion is spot on :D

[@irinthius9518]

9:15 The real beauty of Kreia is her appearance, I mean who wouldn't want to know what's under that robe ;) Ok, the weird part of my comment is over. Now I want to tell you that your videos are just amazing, I can see your love for the Kotor games and characters which makes an old Kotor Fan like me very happy :) And it's definitely not easy to explain such a commplexe character as Kreia, so good job, it took me many years to really figure out what she was up to :D

[@100StarWars]

It took me many years too! :D

[@Ianassa91]

I played the game Again after many years and wanted to do a Qui Gon style exile. Someone who was truly balance with the force and did the right thing despite if it was Light side or dark side. Build her as a Light side character but it was tough because I wabted to be opposed to kreya by prinsciple (because I already knew she was the villain) but found myself agreeing with her in almost every turn. One of the most well written characters in video game history imho.

[@inventorking9124]

My Exile character is like that: she cares for others and will help them at every possible turn, but she is willing to manipulate and lie if it helps her protect others. She respects all life and while she is willing to draw her lightsabers when necessary, she finds her greatest victory in what Kreia said "True victory is to make another see your beliefs willingly." Also, she's a sentinel, who I think best embody Kreia's philosophy, since they often rely on more mundane skills and unorthodox tactics.

[@aamirrazak3467]

Great video! Kreia/Traya is one of my favorite characters, she had such great quotes and interesting ideas. The idea of destroying the force is fascinating, though I think would doom the galaxy overall, if the force is the life force which binds everything together in SW. It's really interesting to think of a Jedi Order not beholden to the force, operating under Kreia's ideas

[@100StarWars]

Well that was to be the concept leading past KOTOR 2 but it was kinda of forgotten.

[@aamirrazak3467]

100% Star Wars it’s a real shame it was never realized the game I want made most is a KOTOR 3 by obsidian continuing revans story with him fighting the true Sith in the unknown regions..: maybe one day we’ll get it

[@johnroscoe2406]

Pre-Disney was such a rich universe.

[@michaelblower7363]

That's what pleases me about Legends. That so many people who loved, or was inspired by, Star Wars created the material. It wasn't just a corporate-sanctioned product. :-)

[@Skizzaable]

10:52 its like they didnt want to read up on all the details so they could continue it without plotholes. after all, it is way easier to start something new than to live up to a masterpiece

[@100StarWars]

Indeed :(

[@danielgatford7686]

I have such a love for kria the voice actress was spot on nd wish there was an old republic movie so we could see her I think she's the best sith ever

[@100StarWars]

He voice is so mysterious and alluring :)

[@danielgatford7686]

It just captivated and slightly scared me wen I first played it back 2004 ish I knew she wasn't going to b nice but she's so misunderstood she's got a good concept just to extream and to produce two students like revan nd meetra she done good job she'd defo b a master I'd gravitate towards just for the sheer I need to understand you woman haha

[@Nora-mg7cc]

I love this it adds so much to the game.

[@100StarWars]

:)

[@Tuloisboss]

Funny how we all hated when Luke said jedi should no longer exist and we simply didn't respect the reasons behind this statement but we truly understand and can relate to when Darth Traya hates the force and wants to destroy it. Difference is in better writing, simply as that...

[@100StarWars]

Very true. TLJ tried to be like KOTOR 2 in a way, and failed.

[@JBKNL]

This game was so well written. Totally loved her. Always had to think twice about what she said. Found her unpredictable. Must be one of the most complex characters out there

[@100StarWars]

One of the best without doubt.

[@JBKNL]

@@100StarWars you know which part i loved? When the masters say something and she said the opposite, showing there isnt just Light or Dark or good and evil. Shows she looks at the whole picture... Or the beggar that if you choose to give money she seems upset and i was shocked at first because its good to help people, but not if you make them a target for other people. She should be the example of good character writing.

[@benjaminblack4345]

100% Star Wars awesome video! I didn't understand a lot of that before. I really like these character explaining videos. What do you think of doing one about HK-47, and one for Carth Onasi? I bet a lot of us would love that, seeing as their both widely beloved characters. Especially if you put in small, relevant video clips of them like you did in this, that was great!

[@100StarWars]

Thank you! They will get covered one day :)

[@LOCKi]

Brilliant video! Not too long and explains it all extremely well :)

[@100StarWars]

Thank you I appreciate that :)

[@wiibrockster]

Kreia is the living embodiment of "Sacrifice the many for the good of the few"

[@100StarWars]

Indeed she is!

[@wiibrockster]

I still really like the fact Kriea lived thousands of years before the movies took place yet she predicted things such as The Clone Wars,The fall of The Republic,the rise of The Empire and The destruction of The Jedi.

[@100StarWars]

So do I, she's wonderful!

[@michaelblower7363]

She even called out Jango Fett's death too. :) And that the Mandalorians would fade away with time and no longer be what they used to be. Which they did and became, for lack of a better word, Ronin-like.

[@Darksage5555]

Normally when you know someone is not who they say they are, you despise them in your next playthrough. But I love how the more you lay the game the more you love Kreia. You respect her more and more, you want to win her approval, and you wish you could side with her in the end. She is the greatest character in all of star wars in my opinion.

[@georgesuarez8325]

Great video my friend as always, first off the scenes with Kreia, Attris and Mical about force echoes was not shown in Darthycey's videos on Meetra Surik. With the Jedi Masters and the dialogue with Meetra and Kreia on Malachor V some were shown on his videos others were not. I believe Kreia is an evil witch who's intentions were revenge on Darth Nihilus, Sion and the Jedi who cast her out by using Meetra Surik. Separate issues that I have but we've talked about many times before, when know how the Jedi council felt about her in that time period because she was a wound in the force and a threat to the Jedi. Fast forward to the future a little bit and think about what the Jedi council during Yoda's time would have done, looking at Mace Windu I think he would have done the same to Meetra as Master Vrook and the others. I still don't believe that Yoda and Obi-Won Kenobi would have done the same, we also talked about acceptance but whether you think it's fan fiction of mine or because of Meetra's condition and probably crave energy like Nihilus. I will always think of her as a unique and intriguing Jedi compared to any other, I will never look at her as a monster but a powerful Jedi. In my own imagination I see Meetra Surik on Dagobah with Yoda trying to help her. George

[@georgesuarez8325]

I recently left a comment on another video about facts on Darth Vader's suit, it was interesting. What I said is that Vader's suit is the most fascinating thing about him, the pain he endured while in it and the maintenance of it was unimaginable. He of course had limitations because of his cybernetics so he couldn't do most of the things he did before when he was Anakin Skywalker. However Darth Vader was still a powerful Sith Lord. George

[@100StarWars]

Nihilus was the same, he just didn't resist the wound. They're both unique. Kreia certainly is not an 'evil witch'. Without Kreia, Meetra would be nothing.

[@100StarWars]

Certainly!

[@georgesuarez8325]

Without Kreia Meetra would be nothing? Forgive me my friend for disagreeing with you but who followed Revan and Malak during the Mandalorian wars? Everything Meetra Surik did during the Mandalorian wars was because of her and had nothing to do with Kreia since they didn't know each other yet, most important is Meetra trying to free Revan from the Sith again nothing to do with Kreia because she was already dead. George

[@georgesuarez8325]

Wait a minute my mistake, before Meetra defeated Kreia she told her she must go where Revan went and face the true Sith threat. George

[@jjb33083]

Kreia is the type of character, you study in Intro to Bossassary 101, Class Personified 501, and Intellectual Domination 9000 (a little over). Thank you for Kreia.

[@100StarWars]

She a fictitious philosopher who actually rivals real philosophers. I love it.

[@MagnetTheSteven]

But why did Kreia need to die then? She could continue with Mitra to spread own teachings. What does her death achieve in her goals?

[@NinkoKotOR]

I really like what you are doing with your content! Makes me want to start my channel up again for the 4th time ahah

[@100StarWars]

I really appreciate that thank you!

[@NinkoKotOR]

No worries!! Would be great if you could check out one of my videos from a while ago and let me know if they were actually any good ahaha!

[@100StarWars]

If making video's playing KOTOR etc is your thing then not bad!

[@NinkoKotOR]

perhaps i'll start it up again! appreciate you checking it out man!!

[@NinkoKotOR]

I'll have to finish my current let's play first ;) going for 100% complete speedrun with no mods in KotOR 1

[@CoolPandaTheMovieNerd]

Kreia's deepest secret is that she was Keyser Söze this whole time.

[@Nallmoju]

When Nietzsche came to Star Wars and talked about moralities in the Force... Amazing character. And amazing writer.

[@100StarWars]

Chris Avellone is a true genius of storytelling.

[@ingolf82]

I've seen Sara Kestelman act in 1 series. she was in one episode of "Relic Hunter". I had no clue while watching that that was the same woman that voiced Kreia

[@TomatoFettuccini]

Kreia is without a doubt my favorite Star Wars character, by a wide margin. Revan has all the cool factor, but Kreia is such a deep, nuanced character that you can't help but love her, despite her Machiavellian schemes.

[@Mrfox2025]

Really liked this video...can you make one about Candoruos ordo...always liked him

[@100StarWars]

He's on the list :)

[@Mrfox2025]

100% Star Wars cool man...fell in love with Kotor 1 and 2

[@100StarWars]

It's hard not to :)

[@bobboringname9021]

to put it in 40k terms she wants to make every one blanks

[@LeftytheGansterGremlin]

Dude. Thanks for clearing this up. I finally understand. I didn't get it the first time, either. I still don't think Kreia is my favorite character ever, but at least now I understand her. This game is so deep, it's honestly just downright shameful it was cast under the rug.

[@100StarWars]

You're welcome! Her intentions aren't always clear and it takes a while to really understand, multiple playthroughs even :)

[@LeftytheGansterGremlin]

@@100StarWars Oh, wow! Thank you for taking the time to respond. It really means a lot. I always love it when KZbinrs try to respond to as many of their followers sd possible. Because of you, I actuallh started my second playthrough of KOTOR II. Thank you, dude. Hopefully I'll understand Kreia this timd around. Last time I was confused, and even made decisions in the game tbat I later forgot I did that changed the overall plot. In essence, I was a failed student, who didn't understand the lesson. Now I Do. Thank YOU.

[@100StarWars]

Thank you for supporting me! And I hope you go on to enjoy the game again and discover something new :)

[@LeftytheGansterGremlin]

@@100StarWars I certainly will, my dude. Thanks again, and you're welcome.

[@Steel-101]

I do agree with some of Kreias points. The Jedi of the old republic were fools & they were cowards. Redeemed Revan, the Exile, Bastila, and the other Jedi companions feel similar to Luke Skywalkers Jedi order. However Kreia is not 100% correct in her “philosophies”. It was annoying how she was scolding me when I was helping people(example: on Nar Shada). In a way she’s acting like the Jedi council. Holding back help for people. I understand that some good decisions have some negative consequences but that doesn’t mean we should be paranoid. I know this is just a story but still the Jedi should help people in need & Kreia was actually creating more problems(instead of fixing anything).

[@amateurhour6720]

Exelent video dude!

[@100StarWars]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

[@Kissamiess]

Kreia's goal was to get rid of the endless Star *Wars* that Force kept pushing into the Galaxy. Plan A was to try to come up with a new kind of philosophy, train a new kind of Force user, but that kept being a failure until the Exile showed up. Plan B was to kill every Force sensitive in the Galaxy. The wars continue thousands of years afterwards so it would seem that Kreia failed, but perhaps her teachings echo still and there eventually will be peace.

[@100StarWars]

Plan B first :p

[@Maverick8t88]

Just finished the Restored Content Mod yesterday as a Male Guardian/Jedi Master. Pretty sure this is the greatest game ever created.

[@100StarWars]

Indeed, it is! 😜

[@thomastran1163]

what soundtrack did you use at the end 11:42 please ?

[@100StarWars]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXjOdWuNga6SndU

[@thomastran1163]

@@100StarWars Thanks ! I really love it

[@buff1122]

The most legendary Star Wars character ever created. Traya was Sidious long before he existed.

[@hellreaper0136]

I just joined great video i love kotor they are 2 of my favorite games i wish they would have made more thanks for the video

[@100StarWars]

Thanks for watching, and they're certainly some of the best games ever! :D

[@michaelandreipalon359]

What a truly impressive video. However, I do have my own interpretations: One, Kreia, though her rhetoric says otherwise, never *ever* wanted to kill the Force. Rather, she was just trying to restabilize it by way of eliminating the anomalies known as Darths Sion and Nihilus via her twisted manipulated ways and fearmongering, akin to a fever actually purging an ill body of muck and bacteria. Besides, killing the Force is obviously beyond her capabilities, so she's just doing some sort of wish fulfillment that will regardless end with victory, one way or another. Sounds senile, yes, but mostly on character. Two, there never were any "true Sith" lurking outside the galaxy... she just said that lie so to ensure that the Exile won't destabilize the galaxy due to their increasingly powerful yet all too potent Force bond, a bond that is all too similar to Revan's, who also left the galaxy, albeit due to unfounded paranoia of said "true Sith threat." Of course, even if there *was* a threat, it'll be from the likes of a Yuuzhan Vong expeditionary force, if not some other alien threat fighting the likes of, say, an ancient and then-inefficient Chiss faction, which will become the Chiss Ascendancy in millennia to come. And three, her ambitious wish of her teachings becoming the norm for the Jedi and the Sith after the events of KotOR II will be an assured thing no matter the cost and the outcome, since the old ways are now off-putting to the galaxy, its denizens, and the adherents of the beliefs themselves, and a new era has come once more, as things ought to be. A pity said teachings, as all others are, started to crumble come the Banite Sith era and onwards. In the end, it all comes to this: as a possible successor to Darth Traya in the far future said to two notable men of a certain era, "Everything I tell you is the truth/a lie."

[@darklonewolf_0311]

I remember completing this after my last day of being a Year 7. It was truly an epic experience going through Trayus’s Academy and killing all of those Sith Marauders or whatever they were called. Kreia/ Darth Traya is truly a fascinating character within the Star Wars universe

[@100StarWars]

I played KOTOR 2 in year... 3? I think? 😂

[@darklonewolf_0311]

100% Star Wars I wouldn’t have even had a basic comprehension of Kriea if I played it back then. I did watch the game from that time I think but I can’t remember and I didn’t really understand it until I was about twelve 😂

[@100StarWars]

It did extraordinary things to my little, underdeveloped brain :D

[@darklonewolf_0311]

100% Star Wars I bet 😂 For me KOTOR 2 was a phenomenal experience and one that I’ll never forget. It seems a lot more difficult than KOTOR 1 because your followers are affected by your decisions and they are a lot more independent as if they are actual people rather than programmed pieces of coding. Plus the Ebon Hawk’s music is so much more immersive than that of its counterpart in KOTOR 1

[@100StarWars]

I much agree, I prefer the KOTOR 2 companions and Music especially! I also played KOTOR 2 first!

[@the_milkgod9134]

I just beat kotor 2 for the first time and I came here to make sure I didn’t miss anything. With the exception of the krea wanting you to use her teachings for the new jedi order I found no great revelation

[@ogpimpwildin6897]

She’s like a grey sith if that even was a thing. I’d say grey Jedi but she flat out uses you and admits it

[@katamattyon]

I'd genuinely never thought about how if there are 'Grey Jedi' or 'Dark Jedi' there could be people who could be unofficially dubbed 'Grey Sith' or 'Light Sith'. Very interesting, but I must say that I think Revan fits 'Grey Sith' or 'Light Sith' insofar as his time as a Sith was trying to create a satisfactory bulwark against the unseen Sith Emperor (obviously this doesn't work in the version where Revan didn't come to that conclusion and instead was just mind-controlled by the Emperor). Seeing how Darth Traya basically wants to ruin the force, I don't think we can call her grey, as grey tends to mean using both sides of the force, which is basically the opposite of what she advocates. Anyway yeah, your comment has given me a lot to think about, thanks!

[@ogpimpwildin6897]

@@katamattyon of course! thanks for replying and I believe this comment stemmed from a train of thought I had after reading the darth bane trilogy. I remember thinking back to the beginning before he’s all pure evil and starting to age as a sith way before he even took the title of “darth” I remember him not ever really being all the “evil” he just didn’t fully agree with Jedi beliefs. There’s another sith I think his name was Vectavious or something but he was known as “the sith that did no evil” he simply helped better the sith as a whole so taking them into account I started wondering about dark or grey Jedi in that shade of light a little more like how many were sith through and through but did good and does is there a more grey sith so to speak

[@ABFan-bj2uj]

@@katamattyon Well, he actually became good by becoming evil.

[@90Rush]

Who would win? Kreia in Kotor 2, vs. Founder in NWN2: MotB

[@100StarWars]

I wouldn't know, I never played Neverwinter.

[@thorshammer7883]

SWTOR is a really big mess up when you think about it.

[@100StarWars]

When in relation to KOTOR, yes.

[@tonyd6853]

IS that Freeza's voice?

[@jackryan8736]

I'll be honest, I've played KOTOR II for years, still do now regardless that I don't have mods with it, and I still could never fully grasp her motives or what she was after until now. I had an idea or two, true, but not the full picture.

[@100StarWars]

I'm glad my content could be of service :))

[@trt-ez3yz]

So in this game Kreia fight against the force, just like Kain against the will of fate in the soul reaver games?

[@100StarWars]

I'm not familiar with those games on a deep level, but yes.

[@Omgidk17654]

can you make a who is atris video plz

[@100StarWars]

I will do :) Though, patience, you must have.

[@lifelessperson1993]

Kreia’s evil is that she is willing to kill, betray and deceive. A moral shortcut, to achieve the greater good as she saw it. Her evil is in her means. She is a villain, but the most real villain Star Wars has seen.

[@TheJayhawk79]

One of Abeloth's many powers is the ability to create avatars. I suspect that Kreia is Mother's avatar, and Darth Traya is Abeloth's avatar.

[@100StarWars]

An intriguing theory

[@terrhistopheles3570]

I can't find the ending song.

[@100StarWars]

The piano piece? If so, it's this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXjOdWuNga6SndU

[@yannickvignault4686]

Kotor 2 is jsut the best stories period and kreia voice is jsut delightful.

[@100StarWars]

Agreed!

[@compier12]

Cool, thanks!

[@jukaa1012]

If you guys love KOTOR 2 as much as I do I heavily recommend you to go read the dune series. All 6 books are incredible and surpass even this masterful story

[@jamesheichel6137]

Kreia is incredibly important. She breaks all the rules, she's a Jedi who seeks conflict, and a Sith who abhors reckless slaughter. She broke the Sith's Rule of two by creating the Triumvirate, and wiped out the Jedi in order to rebuild them.

[@100StarWars]

She is quite something!

[@imu802]

What if Traya would become one with the force? Would she still think the same?

[@100StarWars]

She technically became the entity in SWTOR, but I completely head canon that out.

[@imu802]

@@100StarWars do you have a video on that, that I can watch? :)

[@ikonta169]

Kotor2 forever changed my outlook on good and evil, especially on starwars. You see it again in ep3, the jedi are arrogant and stubborn, just like the sith. And a simple deed, no matter how well intended can have disasterous consequences. Some times doing what seems evil has a better outcome than doing what is considered good.

[@maaaaaap]

Kreia fortune telling fates of characters in the end is the only thing that bothers me. it's so out of character/lore i wonder if they only did it when they realised they wont have enough time to make a proper ending. I still get chills every time at the dantoiine scene when the music plays behind the amazing dialogue. yeah and swtor... for me the worst thing to happen to star wars.

[@100StarWars]

I'm under the impression that the ending was shoehorned in to give clarity to the fates of the characters, information they just couldn't include due to time constraints. I also know that Chris Avellone (The Lead Dev) wanted to expand upon Malachor V a lot more, but the studio just couldn't :/

[@maaaaaap]

yeah, that seems likely. Even with the restoration mod, Malachor is still a mess...

[@100StarWars]

It could have been a lot more :(

[@nickwhite6249]

nice video

[@100StarWars]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@1stSlug]

Kreia truly is one of the best written and designed characters in Star Wars. It's a real shame that Disney has pretty much cut most of KOTOR 1 & 2 lore out... The bastards.

[@user-mw3uf3ku3k]

I like to believe that kreia failed to completely disillusion Meetra as she had hoped to, so she went all sith and tried to kill her (plan b) to create a ripple in the force and achieve her goals. She failed. And the jedi, while much more logical and better than before, still lived on. And while the first generation of jedi of meetra surik became a very good order, the teachings of the jedi remained at their core values and corrupted the next generation of jedi. Kreia was a hero who failed. No one could win as neither the sith nor the jedi were correctly reformed. The key and opposing values of the two groups always remained in the form of their codes and corrupted the souls of people.

[@blunatmay4459]

What if Kreia wanted the Exile to create echoes, in order to other Jedi or someone else, feel them and come to the respective planet to help those people?

[@100StarWars]

Nooo. I mean it's a hypothetical but there's too many factor elsewhere to squash that hypothesis.

[@dannybeane2069]

This honestly what I felt Episode 8 Luke should have been. The disillusion, the severance of his own connection to the force; the prices were there. I only wish they were executed with better grace.

[@marklee1194]

In many ways, Kreia's philosophy is very similar to Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900), a very prominent German philosopher; especially his idea of the Übermensch ("overman"). You can check out this video which explains this connection in greater detail: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o16liGSfa7CfapI

[@watch50er]

So this assessment of the force and the Jedi and sith is that up until this point the Jedi and sith both as a whole were insular, not just viewing the force with respect or as sacred but as monolithically central to everything, sinking themselves so deep into its currents that they become singularly focused on their religious tenants and completely dependent on the force for everything allowing their own minds, imaginations, and selves to be underdeveloped and wasted thus making them all indebted slaves to the patterns (will) of the force. But, even for Kreia, the force can be tolerated if those that can hear it willingly use it as a tool without giving into it complexly at all times- especially so as to become a one dimensional selfless puppet that will more or less stomp on everyone and everything else to follow the forces will (patterns) What I wonder about is whether or not the Jedi kept to those teachings or if they wavered over time and some (if not all) forgot about it by the time of the prequels? Was the prequel Jedi’s failure cut form the same cloth as the old sith wars Jedi? Or are they merely similar in that both were instances of complacency and dogma, but while the old Jedi decided to become blinded my mysticism the prequel Jedi made the mistake of …. What exactly? Because I got the impression that they were destroyed because they didn’t follow the will of the force- the very thing Kreia wanted… or was it not over reliance on the force but underuse of their practical skills and inability to accustomed for how out of touch with the republic they became…?

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

One of the best games

[@DarkKing009]

Darth Traya may be strong in some ways but makes her very weak in others. Awesome but Insane.

[@liaml.e.5964]

If Jolee was more akin to a Grey Jedi, Kreia was what could be considered a Grey Sith.

[@chinaboytag1]

PLOT TWIST: Disney makes an *actually good Star Wars movie* and *KREIA IS THE AUTHOR OF THE JEDI BOOK!!!*

[@100StarWars]

I think you'll need to wake up from that dream :P

[@nataleecram410]

My Favorite dark Lord

[@100StarWars]

One of my favorites too :)

[@Blastanker]

She's more of a Dim Lord

[@Krfification101]

"In place of a Dark Lord, you would have a Queen! Not dark, but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!"

[@MrEffectfilms]

A villain doesn't have to be selfish and over-the-top evil to be a villain, just look at someone like Magneto. Incredibly sympathetic and understandable as to how he became who he is and the core of his motivation is to protect mutant kind. But I will never not call him a villain because of his methods, he will kill countless people (sometimes even mutants) to achieve his goals and part of why he does what he does is clearly out of revenge as well, his own personal revenge on the world for treating him so horribly for so long. Again understandable and even the core of his motivation is a good one but his methods and ruthlessness make him a villain nonetheless.

[@thesenate5913]

Disney would take a hundred years to even reach a tiny percentage of Kreia's great character.

[@miguelangelmunozrivero4193]

Podríais añadir subtítulos en español, es fácil y permitiría q los seguidores de habla hispana pudiera ver y entender los videos

[@dollarcostbackpacker1226]

Never played the games or like the movies. Darth mother is the best.

[@gaymeronabudget]

You know what I hate about all of this? The fact that the game is so mersmirizingly incredible and yet so bugged and unfinished that most videos about it are of theories, but the game lacks most evidence of most things amazing about it. It is so filled with conjecture EVEN with the restored content. The Malachor V whole portion makes NO sense because HOW everyone got separated just because the Ebon Hawk crashed. It is the gameplay dictating the plot, instead of the plot dictating the gameplay. Such a pity. I love this game. It made me love star wars. But the last part is just... NONSENSICAL.

[@doomblackdragon]

Honestly Traya was right. She was the true hero of the story.

[@Destroyer83]

So, the only way Kreia loses is by beating her after turning to the Dark side...I think.

[@atlasprime6193]

Kreia should just come to Earth since we don’t have the force.

[@ArtofGuilt]

Independence from the force.

[@changen4125]

Kreia is like a Vong lol.

[@eho6380]

I'M ReY ThE ChOsEn oNe!

[@darthsidious47]

Traya sounds kind of like thanos

[@100StarWars]

Hmmm, perhaps.

[@warblerab2955]

Kreia wasn't evil? She was Sith, she murdered the three remaining members of the Jedi council(if the Exile was light side) or helped the exile murder the three remaining members of the Jedi council(if the Exile was dark side). She helped Atris turn to the dark side. She manipulated people into to helping the Exile(think about how she blackmailed Atton). Sorry, but she was evil.

[@awesomepain1019]

I don't know why but I found Kreia Not Misguided But Twisted and Hateful only no good.

[@darthrevan3342]

Read the exegesis on Kreia and redo teh vidéo her motivation are multiple and numerous....

[@100StarWars]

This is her primary motivation.