10GbE - The COMPLETE upgrade guide

[@scorpjitsu]

I love that you start every video with “ARRAHAWSAGONYAWW” with the hands 😂

[@PhilippeCJR]

hahahahaa that spot on haha

[@tomwalton6661]

It took me months to work out what you were saying! I’d drop it if I were you!

[@Yosef-ok7gu]

💀💀💀

[@leonfurtig3583]

@@tomwalton6661 I love it

[@QU1RKONE]

A few thoughts from my recent experience (DS1821+): * 10 Gb generates a lot of heat & requires ventilation. * SFP+ with optical transceivers is the way to go. Quality components count. * Consider turning on jumbo frames * Consider upgrading RAM on NAS * Unless using solid state drives, striping across 4 or more drives will be required to saturate 10 Gb.

[@therumbler]

1000% agree. 10gbe (twisted pair Ethernet) runs VERY hot. SFP+ DAC or SPF+ fibre is the way to go. Avoid Ethernet in 10G world where possible

[@file1man]

Drawing on your experience, I wish to live stream on youtube. We have 4 cameras set up in 4 corners of one room. We have 2 installed 360 1 inch and dji. Action 5 pro, two. They do 1080 60 over usb connected to a elgato usb cam link on an older windows 10 computer. On internet speed is 700 up and down, supposedly 1gb capable. The 4 action cameras feed into the computer's by usb. We will use obs to livestream to youtube. Will either the old computer with an anker 2.5 speed adapter or the usb connector speeds bottleneck me and not allow a 1080p livestream.

[@file1man]

Drawing on your experience, I wish to live stream on youtube. We have 4 cameras set up in 4 corners of one room. We have 2 installed 360 1 inch and dji. Action 5 pro, two. They do 1080 60 over usb connected to a elgato usb cam link on an older windows 10 computer. On internet speed is 700 up and down, supposedly 1gb capable. The 4 action cameras feed into the computer's by usb. We will use obs to livestream to youtube. Will either the old computer with an anker 2.5 speed adapter or the usb connector speeds bottleneck me and not allow a 1080p livestream.

[@mastaLuke2]

Running my Synology with my Mac Studio via native 10GBit - great performance and easy workflow for a professional photographer 🔥 thanks for your content! Used your videos to setting all up :)

[@outoftruthrecords]

i needed this video a week ago because i accidentally bought the sfp plus adapter for my synology and not the rj45 haha. Your videos are fantastic and it has solely been what i have used to build my nas for my video production company. great work!

[@ruben34]

Internet providers in my country are now offering 10Gbit Up/Down fiber. Its amazing, I can use my NAS anywhere as if I was home.

[@4eyesleo]

Do you have 10Gb connection "anywhere" you connect from? In the hotel? At work? In a cafe? Really doubt it is the case.

[@ruben34]

@@4eyesleo Yeah No. I actually dont even have it at home, it still costs a lot more than 1Gbit. But what amazed me was the availability of the technology, previously I choose to have the NAS at my work apartment so I can get the fastest access but my family not, now I can have it at my family house (safer there) and still enjoy at least 1Gbit during the weekdays.

[@TheShortStory]

In theory. Turns out even if you have a fat pipe to and from your NAS, over distances other things can become a restriction. I had some experience with this where (with all devices being on symmetrical gigabit fiber) a same-building network gave me full gigabit speeds between NASes, a same-city connection gave me 500mbitd and a cross-continent connection gave me 15mbit. The only way to take advantage of both sides’ gigabit connection was to massively parallelize the copy task with rclone giving 800mbits, which is certainly not a solution for everyone. I lost some data on the way

[@ruben34]

@@TheShortStory nice info. Maybe high ping affects the SMB protocol.

[@TheShortStory]

@@ruben34 yes, if I recall correctly I concluded that was the primary problem at the time. And every other protocol I tried seemed to struggle to about the same degree

[@swashyhimself]

When you’re explaining, probably you should say “per second” that helps to convey the understanding that data is being transferred

[@garynagle3093]

Great video. Perfect timing for me as I’m looking into upgrading my switch and adapters on my devices.

[@AllAccessConstruction]

Nice.. Is this the same concept as hooking to 1 gig router.. 1 gig going from nas to router and computer 1 gig going to router?

[@JoshToonen]

What screwdriver/head do you need to unscrew the port in the Synology box? None of my standard heads work. anyone know?

[@Truth_Yeah]

Very useful video. Thanks

[@medcos5366]

Great videos! Regarding the switch, I ordered the Ubiquiti Flex HG for $300 but saw the TP-Link TL-SX105 | 5 Port 10G/Multi-Gig Unmanaged Ethernet Switch on sale for $235 (Retail $350). I was wondering if you recommend the Ubiquiti over the TP-Link switch based on any inside knowledge you have or is the price to performance ratio makes the TP-Link a good buy?

[@LoboFrames]

Thanks for this! Just bought a NAS.

[@tglenn3121]

So, I have a question regarding this. I have a mac studio that is capable of 10 GbE. If I attach it to a NAS that also has 10 GbE, what good does it do if the drives inside the NAS are not capable of writing/reading at 10 GbE speed? Or is there some workaround for that?

[@ibathrooms]

Another eccellent video. This is exactly what I needed. I still have a few remaining questions. I'm wondering if maybe I can hire you for a consultation?

[@OGSGTWOBBLE]

what about link aggregation with some NAS's that have 4 ports? can you make a video on that please?

[@BroadcastsFromPoorFarm]

would love a video on that

[@wolfk.l.5582]

Great video! Thank you!

[@szerwony1]

I wonder how do you get that speed on standard 1500 MTU. When I upgraded to 2,5GbE a few months ago, I had to set MTU to 4000 both on NAS and PC to get more than 1Gbps speed.

[@SteveBarajas]

Awesome video as always.

[@zachweber4757]

Are you able to use your router directly as a network switch opposed to using a dedicated switch?

[@zachweber4757]

As a followup, I have my DS923+ plugged into my router(1GB fiber) via 1g ethernet ports, then I am connected to my NAS 10g port via an Anker 2.5g ethernet connector into an M1 Max. Everything seems to be working fine with that method. However, something strange I did notice, while operating off of battery power the 2.5g connector works fine. As soon as I connect my laptop to wall power via the Apple MagSafe charger, the 2.5g connector cuts out and it transitions to WiFi connection. From the little research I've done, it seems like its a motherboard over-power issue in the Macbooks that cuts power to connectors that don't have their own bus supply. Any further ideas on this?

[@ottokite]

My Synology NAS (DS1019+) does not have the option of an add-in card so no 10Gb for me. However, I have configured the NAS to use both 1Gb ports aggregated together to get (almost) 2Gb.

[@jakegwilliam]

Excellent topic! It may be worth testing your speed using a Docker container on your NAS with iPerf or OpenSpeedTest installed.

[@Kammaflaje]

Question... if my nas have 10gbit and the router aswell have 10gbit. but my computers and other stuff is 1gbit so if one computer send 1 gbit to the nas and then the other computer send 1 gbit, are the nas able to take it all at 2gbit?

[@ZhiYin]

A somewhat related topic: have you tested wifi7? Can it saturate 1Gbps RJ45 between NAS and router?

[@From-sl3yg]

I am looking to buy my first Nas for Plex. I would like to rip and watch UHD movies with Dolby TrueHD to my home theater i am torn between the F4-424 and the pro version. Could i get some advice on what one to go for? cheers.

[@andybowlin]

What if you are just using One computer directly.. do you still need Switch? So no need for switch or router extender? I just want to plug Nas directly into computer. My router is in another room.

[@bukenyaephraim771]

The setup is perfect, and the only bottleneck I am seeing is the speed of the hard drives, how do you overcome this, is there a way of using a couple of ssds as buffer for transferring at a high speed??

[@SpaceRexWill]

there is not. The SSD cache is only for random reads, which will not really help you here. The best thing to do is just add in more drives

[@beefjerkeyS80]

Hey what do you think about wifi?. Because I have a nighthawk rs700 it says 19gps over wifi. And it has a 10 g port on it. Maybe that's another option?

[@daillengineer]

I've got a thunderbolt 3 to SFP+ from QNAP and connect it to my Unifi 8 port USW via DAC cable. love it. solid and haven't had any issues in over a year. from there, my DS1621+ is connected to the USW via SFP+ ethernet adapter. I get 9400 Mbit iperf3 speeds

[@tofu_golem]

Those 2.5 Gbe USB adapters can be constrained by the USB. I can rarely get those dongles at the rated speeds.

[@Emulives]

and the cables? what is needed?

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Depends on length. Generally, for copper you need cat6a. But even those vary in quality. Get real copper, not CCA. Don't skimp. If the run is short you could potentially get away with cat5e/cat6 but that's a lottery.

[@georgemorganphotography9714]

Can I just unplug my NAS from my wireless router, and then plug it into a wifi extender in another room if I want to move the server itself?

[@georgemorganphotography9714]

Or do I need a switcher first?

[@tuapple1138]

Great video

[@aleksei.l]

Can you please elaborate on 4gig ports NASes. How to take full advantage and what realistic expectations for speed in this scinario 4bay synology.

[@SpaceRexWill]

I go over this here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6WqhHmYnseZa9E

[@aleksei.l]

@@SpaceRexWill thank you!

[@tri.wicaksono]

what if my router etherner port is 1Gbit, but i have that switch, Nas and donggle for 10Gbit. is that works for full speed ?

[@SpaceRexWill]

Yes! anything that is just going through that switch (and not to the internet) will be 10GbE

[@tri.wicaksono]

@@SpaceRexWill thanks for the confirmation, i just afraid i had bottleneck because my main router the port is only a gigabit speed.

[@jrmbtr]

I think you more/less answered my question, but with that specific switch - does it route traffic between clients on the switch itself and not require hitting the firewall to route? I have a UDW and was considering one of these switches you show downstream for two Synology units and a PC.

[@SpaceRexWill]

It only hits the FW if you are going between subnets, on a single subnet you should not have to go through a firewall

[@jrmbtr]

@@SpaceRexWill THANK YOU for clarifying that! That really helps put me on the right direction.

[@sturdza7092]

On my DS1821+ 32gb ram with 8x16tb seagate exos drives i only get up to 500mbps reads/writes even with nvme cache or nvme pool what could be the reason?

[@nohandlehere55]

My only need for faster connections are for system backup images (I use Acronis and file imaging). I don't stream 4K so really wouldn't ever saturate 1Gb network. Even so, like folks that keep tweaking their cars for performance, I like to have a fast network even if I'll never really need it. I'm waiting for Synology to get 2.5Gb ethernet on their prosumer grade NAS before upgrading (got LAG on 2x 1Gb ports).

[@PhilippeCJR]

What does the latency(ping/jitter) do when I get my personal game pc a usbc -to- 2.5gbs adapter?...

[@SpaceRexWill]

Nothing

[@Obdus]

I have a 10gbe upgrade on my DS1522+. I don't get full speed since I have a 2.5gbe switch but still feels like a significant upgrade in speed, even on wifi6e. Will probably upgrade to full 10gbe in a few years once wifi7 is also more common and less expensive.

[@Jewn8ug]

would the NETGEAR 8-Port 1G/10G Gigabit Ethernet Unmanaged Switch $99 work?

[@IntoxicatedVortex]

There's no need to disable wifi. What you need to do is set the right service order for macOS use the network adapters in preference order that you set.

[@SpaceRexWill]

So that’s only true for initiating connections. If you connect to the sever on WiFi, then get wired Ethernet, it will stay connected on WiFi

[@maccrazyman1985]

​@@SpaceRexWill Then why bother turning off WiFi at all? Now you have lost access to the rest of the network and the internet to only use the NAS? If you turn off WiFi it disconnects the NAS and breaks the connection, but you could just do that by ejecting the NAS from the Finders sidebar. @SpaceRexWill is correct that you need to break the session, but @IntoxicatedVortex is correct that setting the service order is the right way for future connections. I would also add that you could use the "Connect to Server" option in the finders GO menu and connect by IP address so you can pick between the two interfaces. There are multiple ways to accomplish using the 10GBe connection but turning off your WiFi should only be done if troubleshooting and not the correct way for the long term.

[@whya2ndaccount]

Great video. Waiting for 10Gbe to be a bit more cost effective ((currently have a 48 port, 1Gbe switch). Thinking about possibly moving the NAS and main PC to a smaller 10Gbe switch and cascade that switch to the 48 port one for less demanding clients (TV, Fridge, etc.). The house if hard wired for CAT A copper.

[@MisterPikol]

could you cover 2.5gbit or 5gbit usb connections for synology ?

[@SpaceRexWill]

Planning on it. Just hard to make those videos as I dont want the wrong users following them and wrecking their systems

[@MisterPikol]

@@SpaceRexWill I know it requires some tinkering, but I myself could use a proper guide rather than the scrambles on the internet. I have a synology 1515+ and could really use an improvement, even at 2.5gbit.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Getting the drivers to work for a USB network adapter for harder with dsm7, iirc

[@ForbesPhoto]

I just have one main computer that I use to do video editing. I set up a direct connection from that PC to the NAS over this connection. Internet to the NAS, other computers to NAS, etc is over the dual 2.5gig connections

[@PreDaToReLeaSeD]

should also mention that encrypted shares on most home synology units will significantly eat into the expected 10GBe speeds.

[@marcialabrahantes3369]

i thought "GbE" meant something else... GbE is some futuristic storage unit IIRC

[@Vlaakster]

Wow this video is perfect for me. I'm looking to upgrade my Synology NAS connection to some of my computers to 10GbE (currently just gigabit). I am planning to leave the rest of my devices on my gigabit network, and just hook this UniFi 5 port 10GbE switch into that gigabit swtich. Then hook my NAS and main computers to this 10GbE switch. This video really helped me understand what is needed for this project. In particular, that little UniFi switch looks perfect! Thanks a lot!

[@StenIsaksson]

I also use Jumbo Frames on my devices. One thing people forget is that the switch also need to support Jumbo Frames. If you have a "smart switch" you can activate Jumbo Frames on it. The Flex 10 GbE got a setting for Jumbo Frames that you can activate My 10 Gbit network speed got more stable when I activated Jumbo Frames

[@wojtek-33]

Jumbo frames is largely irrelevant today. All it really does is send less, larger packets. So unless you have woefully underpowered devices or huge bottlenecks, you shouldn't see a difference with packet sizes. Also jumbo frames can cause a lot of issues if not set up properly. Highly discourage anyone using it for general purpose.

[@andysharpei]

I have don’t come from zero to setting up 10g and basically knowing how to set up my nas with your videos. But small request : please show some simple network diagrams or data tables or text overlay to explain difficult terms and layout options. A picture tells a 1000 words.

[@CappsProductions]

You have to consider hard drive speeds in your NAS, especially if it's only 4 bays. You'll get bottlenecked! He doesn't mention this until 22:59. You may not be able to get the full use out of your 10GbE, but you can still achieve some levels of higher speed depending on the drives.

[@tama47_]

SSD Cache, I can saturate full 10Gbe speed even with 4 bay.

[@wojtek-33]

Also this mostly applies to SMB which is async. Try getting 10Gb with rsync or NFS with 4 drives. Caching can help but if not mirrored with power protected drives your asking for data loss so not usually worth the extra cost.

[@tama47_]

@@Ray-dv1md Two 1TB NVMe caches, 64 GB of RAM. I haven’t moved a single large file over 8 gigabytes, but I have moved many 1-2GB video files to and from the NAS in 1 second, at 1 gigabyte per second, so that means the caching does work.

[@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-]

Don't forget to mention that you also need the correct cabling to support 10Gbe or 2.5Gbe. For 10Gbe Cat 5e will no longer do while for 2.5Gbe it might still work. If you want to be sure it works upgrade your network cables to at least CAT 6

[@daillengineer]

cat 5e is fine for 10gig in most homes

[@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-]

@@daillengineer Cat 5e didn't work for connecting my Fiber modem to my router. Fell back to 100Mbit instead of even 2.5 or 1 Gbit

[@daillengineer]

@@PhoenixNL72-DEGA- then you had a bad cable. It works just fine at 30m.

[@PhoenixNL72-DEGA-]

@@daillengineer Had to replace multiple cables all CAT 5e (Store bought not self made patch cables). Might just have been a Fiber modem and Router issue.

[@daillengineer]

@@PhoenixNL72-DEGA- could be. I have a 10g network and only use 5e. Many people do the same because their homes only have 5e in the walls.

[@hakannorlings2439]

Why didn't you show how to set up the 2,5 adapter that shoowed and thought was a better alternative? All the newbies maybe wanted to see that to. It hadn't taken so much time to show how.

[@wojtek-33]

It's a little hacky, which is likely why he didn't show it.

[@musicman0024]

Good video Will, but videos will be easier to follow if you stay "on topic". You went on too many tangents about other things (2.5Gb adapters, Cables,, CAT 8 horror stories, wifi setups, etc. - those can all be there own seperate videos). If the topic is 10GBe setup. Just be direct: 1. Get 10Gb switch (what is it, why you need it) (links below). 2. Get CAT 6a Cable (links below) 3. Let me show you they connect. 4. Run testing software. 5. Review results. 6. Optimize (MTU 9000 / Jumbo frames, etc.). Run test again, review results, etc. It gets confusing when you try to sprinkle in too many topics. Just my 2 cents as a viewer.

[@mastaLuke2]

I‘ve the same problem on my Mac, when WLAN is enabled, the connection speed to the Synology (10GBit) is incredibly bad… using WiFi only for AirDrop, and when forgotten to turn it off - my next Filetransfer will be last forever 🤣

[@JimboLodisC]

yeah I went with 2.5Gbe, luckily my router has a 2.5 port so I got a 2.5Gb switch for connecting my 1gig devices and my multi-2.5Gb port NAS to my LAN, should be able to have multiple computers transferring files while serving up Plex media and also downloading new content all at the same time ... 10Gb hardware will have to become more affordable and widely available before I make that jump

[@youcrockyvence]

have a good one. bye

[@przemki1]

Thank you Magnus Carlsen

[@hammerlockwow525]

The fear mongering around SFP+ transceivers is a bit odd. They are cheaper, and run cooler than RJ45. I expected this 'complete upgrade guide' to actually explain how to figure out which transceivers to buy.

[@RxZ95sssPG]

One thing to note is, that even with NVME-SSD you will not able to reach 10GbE, since the DS923+ NVME Slots use PCIe 3.0 x1, which can't go up to 10GbE

[@heikki4919]

I have 6 EXOS drives in my nas with 10G. I have a 10G switch and a OWC 10G nic on my m1 mac. Followed your instructions setting it up. But I'm only getting about 300MBs reads and 200MBs writes for some reason. What am I missing?

[@Baudesign]

You linked to Amazon ethernet adapter. The narrator of the video talks about a 10 giga bYte connection. Even Synology does not make difference between bit and byte. Sad.

[@kubagancarz9033]

I thing I found sad, is that you disregard cat 7. It's not even about speed, but you can go up to 100 meters without loosing speed. And Ugreen makes ones, and they are well known for cables/ac adapters and even most recent NAS.

[@SpaceRexWill]

CAT7 is not an IEEE standard. CAT6A can do 100m 10GbE in spec. I never recomend users buy CAT7 or 8. At most you will need for 10GbE is CAT6A.

[@therumbler]

Instead of Ethernet I’d advise using SFP+ and optical transceivers, especially if you want distance. You can run 300m of fiber at 10Gb. It’s surprisingly cheap too: 100m of fiber is way less material than 100m of Cat6! Also,10G fiber transceivers run WAY less hot than Ethernet transceivers

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

​@@therumblerthe only downside is the connectors. They're way chunkier than rj45, and should be handled with some care.

[@ChrisWard74]

That's a long video for about 5-10 min of content

[@CappsProductions]

Just upgraded my DS923+ with 10GbE only to have to return everything because the only way I could take advantage of the high speeds on a 4-bay like that would be to use the NVME slots as a storage pool.

[@SpaceRexWill]

4 Hard drives in a RAID should be able to do at least ~400 - 600 MB/s which is 4-6x what a 1GbE connection can do

[@CappsProductions]

@@SpaceRexWill That is true, but I wanted to take full advantage of the speeds I paid for. I've decided to wait until prices are lower to get 4TB NVMEs for full 10GbE speeds. I'll use this (unofficially supported) storage pool for my active video editing projects, and use the hard drives for inactive project storage.

[@tama47_]

Why do you need to create NVME as storage pool, just use NVME as cache? I've done a real world test and was able to move a 1GB video file from and to the NAS in 1 second. 1 gigabyte per second, which is around 10 Gigabit.

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

​@@tama47_you'd need good ssds to have write cache enabled, those are also not so cheap

[@CappsProductions]

@@tama47_ video editing straight from the NAS

[@jimmybondy1140]

Gooood Job !!!!! You made the change I told …. Very very good speach….. 🎉

[@shephusted2714]

cat8 for 40gbe is perfectly reasonable and cat8 is not much more than cat6 but supports faster speeds which is nice when you want to upgrade your network with a 50 dollar dual port 56g card - saying all cat7 and cat8 cables are garbage is simply an uninformed opinion and wrong also #mellanox #connect-x

[@SpaceRexWill]

There is no 50GbE card that runs over copper RJ45