[11.0.5] HUGE Class & Talent CHANGES/REWORK | Analysis | The War Within

[@Bluuedream]

Haven't played in a few years so I'm just having fun trying different classes again. The warband idea was awesome, I can play all 3 of my characters and maybe I'll even make a 4th! Affliction Warlock, Frost DK and Fury War :)

[@Zayme11]

That focussed hatred change for Fel Scarred is a fix. Currently it removes ALL of that 50% damage buff as soon as theres another enemy. Now it stays, albeit reduced, when more enemies are present

[@tony9099]

Ya i was thinking the same, so its technically a buff not a nerf

[@opyTypo]

I noticed Enhanced Imbues works on shields now. Thought it always did so pog. I also think they should move elemental unity above the lava burst talents and same thing with the icefury talents, then you really can make the call on if you want to make fire or nature prio

[@juanardila29]

Kinda sad with that flash of lightning nerf cause of utility ngl😢. We will be fine with SK CDR new talent and ascendance+ icefruy/ frostshock changes. lightning rod will be so huge!!!

[@omanitoo]

Sad about flash of lightning, but excited for ascendance for every build.

[@opyTypo]

god could you imagine every lightning bolt reducing stormkeeper by 3 seconds

[@Catdaddy836]

played with the changes in PTR. elemental feels really bad now.. the cast time of lightning bolt/chain lightning is twice as long as before.storm elemental feels useless now as well and ice fury is just a weak spell

[@jreyes2464]

Where can i play the ptr? Im kinda new but want to test somethings.

[@Rinnag10]

Dude i played and it honestly feels amazing. Ascendance feels like a really strong CD now, lightning rod is pumping hard and , icefury feels really weird on AoE but it's kinda ok on Single Target

[@Catdaddy836]

@@Rinnag10 the problem is our damage will come only in 2 minute intervals. we will be useless between pulls. our cast time has slowed down so much tempest will proc half the time and even lightning rod wont proc as much. Icefury is just an awful spell that should have been removed from the game. Look at dk. Their burst cd is 45 seconds. Ret paladin is 1 minute. Mage is 1 minute. warrior is 45 seconds. I doubt our 2 minute window damage will be higher than a frost dks 45 second damage window as well.

[@opyTypo]

And what were you running for gear is the actual question

[@daabz9823]

Thank you for the time u put into this.. :D

[@kevingraham4736]

not a fatebound nerf. that is a buff to fatebound. live it does no extra damage if more then 1 target. now it will decay per extra target. improves low target cleave.

[@arromneth8577]

You missed the biggest Balance change! Two charges of incarn with a 40% reduced duration and 70 sec off cd

[@Osiris261]

as a sub rogue.. the 2 symbol of death charges does NOTHING.. it is not a buff.. if a fight drags out.. and you end up with both charges on cooldown... then only 1 charge can replenish at a time.. making it so that having 1 or 2 charges makes no difference.. your dps will not increase over long fights.. it will stay the same.. huge sub rogue nerfs.... absolutely gutted..

[@arsalanabbasi9323]

Interesting shaman changes (you skipped some of them like the ascended and deeply rooted elements) it will certainly affect oure play style .

[@peettko]

Oh yeah for sure. I will make a deeper dive into ele once I get my hands on some testing. Hopefully the fire build will be back.

[@Bourfion]

@@peettko Do you miss the fire build already ? Was so boring to just spam those lava bursts

[@peettko]

@@BourfionI personally enjoyed fire builds

[@NimaSF77]

bro u said its big nerf to FS dh but that talents was before pure ST and when u start fight with 2 targets that talent was not benefiting now it will benefits u till 5 target that means when we fight 2-3-4 targets we still can have some extra value from demonsurge its perfect buff to multi target cleave to FS hero talent its understandble to not focus one by one for every change but giving wrong brifing is wrong to man!

[@peettko]

Appreciate the feedback. My first reaction to everything is raw so nothing has been verified or tested since they came out a few hours before the video. Appreciate it nonetheless champ.

[@charlesantoinetomasi661]

No talkin about all dark ranger rework ? Specially for MM ?

[@peettko]

Skipped on it for the video to be less meaty, the rest was covered for the hunter. I will test DR on the PTR today.

[@charlesantoinetomasi661]

@@peettko Thks man :) 😊😊

[@mathieumalecki6332]

oof, no more CDs every pull, rip

[@Raul_Rey]

Man they keep fucking with FDK soon is gonna be unplayable again...

[@spacewalker806]

yeah ,bunch of clowns

[@arzos2603]

i mean its the best dps, nerf was coming

[@spacewalker806]

@@arzos2603 stop it it‘s not the best.

[@ovi8254]

assa and arcane are better ​@@arzos2603

[@phnxx5301]

@@arzos2603 its not the best.

[@steliosth.6476]

Warlock gets nothing?no nerfs no buffs?nothing?

[@javiershen]

Nerf to destro kekw

[@mpr3968]

All specs are great, no need to touch them if they don't have issues i guess. Same with warrior

[@peettko]

Aff is the best it's ever been for the past 2 years. Not sure if you want to change that. But also remember, there is a ton of time until 11.0.5

[@boxernath]

@@peettko demonology is way more fun, same for destro, I think if they make demo as strong as affli and nerf affli im happy

[@STARSHIPTROOP]

@Petko Are you going to post recommended builds of M+, Raid ST & AOE on Discord?

[@peettko]

This sounds, m+ guide is coming out

[@kronox010162]

@peetko 37:55 does the biggest change here is that you don't have to hard cast tempest anymore ??

[@Proverb.]

Yes yes, THIS is the true ele rework

[@Spinexus]

Makes acendence work with any build is huge!

[@peettko]

I was playing all day with it and will do so tomorrow. It is rather weird what they have done but it feels new. Nothing like before.

[@Proverb.]

@@peettko ascendance being good for lightning and dre proccing off maelstrom spenders gives big stonks to aftershock again which I'm personally big fan of. I loved loved shadowlands night fae ele

[@TN_Nadaclos]

TBH i don't like these changes, yes making reworking for Ret, MM, Balance and Resto is good and VERY much needed, but all these changes are set to be in 2 months. Currently those specs are pretty much bench for the start of the season. So yeah, good changes, but horrendous timming.

[@brandoncomer6492]

back to elemental having shit tier defensives w/out CDR

[@BlasphemousVerses]

Glad they nerfed Colossus, too many people were playing it...

[@TheSozu]

Is there any class + spec playable safe? Like one class + spec to master it and main it? Ofc warrior / dh, but something else?

[@giulsen2028]

Id say mage, one of the specs is always viable if not S-Tier and it has a broken grp buff

[@peettko]

No safe classes. Things change on a seasonal basis. The mage is usually the one that always ends up being great. At least one of the specs

[@sharkstaint1373]

did they actualy remove sentinel ? but why

[@Sander1no]

38:05 "Does not consume Maelstrom Weapon" -> literally means enhance has to cancelaura the effect, as we want to cast lb/cl with maelstrom only Blue haired intern coder back at it

[@awasay6649]

What lol? You misinterpreted it completely. Currently you want to cast tempest at 10 stacks of maelstrom and then you have to build back up to 10 for lb or cl. This change makes it so when you cast tempest it DOESNT use any of the maelstrom stacks and you stay at 10 after using it. This change is way better

[@armidevil]

HAHA you completely ignored survi. Butchery Buff 50% is not a buff they took away from us Butchery no longer has charges and its cooldown has been increased to 15 seconds. So from 8 sec and 3 stacks. Massive aoe nerf. 2 times bigger CD and 1 not 3. So 3 stacks of butcher gave us a bomb reduction of 5 sec x3 per use. Another nerf to Bombs...Kill Command resets no longer reduce the cooldown of Fury of the Eagle. its another big aoe nerf for us. Let me just say this: these changes are fucking awesome. Hurra

[@xWolFik]

Did you miss the 700% dot on butchery? Yea you prob. did.

[@armidevil]

@@xWolFik 720% from butchery is still nothing to 5 targets only, every 15 sec. will not compensate for this in any way. And gameplay will be dull.

[@Kingmaster64]

whats the point of the video? just skimming through and not even understanding the weight of a lot of the changes. like there are 1000 videos out now with people just reading and ending the vid. gj i can read myself lmao

[@fmj9357]

I can’t read.

[@lucasstorling4454]

whats the point of you clicking on this video?

[@KyotoChronicler]

​@@lucasstorling4454 to get analysis probably, based on the context of his comment

[@peettko]

I dive deep on the majority of those specs. Hence why it is 40 min, there are some that I left and just read because I don't understand the full purpose of the change. If I just read it, it will take 5 min.

[@bukakabarabaka]

There are giga massive changes in talent tree also, so thats kinda useless. Love you analis anyway, but maybe it is too soon?@@peettko

[@KYPshort]

So assa rogue buff or nerf?😑

[@Dishtation]

any windwalker monk changes ? :/

[@miazma9859]

Why would WW need changes? I think we're in a good spot. It's WILD that bm didn't get massive buffs. That spec needs serious help lol

[@peettko]

Nothing major so far. They will add more things as we get closer

[@Dishtation]

@@miazma9859 WW is doing OKAY but not as good as some other specs that are getting even more buffs in this patch note .

[@miazma9859]

@Dishtation not every spec has to be the best. I went with monk cause it's middle of the pack. I know I'm not getting buffed, but I won't be nerfed either.

[@burbajvl]

at least eli is going to be good 2 mounths then this patch dropps ^^

[@phnxx5301]

blue post for shit in november wauw:D

[@fishing_marvin]

Will Balance be back now?

[@peettko]

Looks interesting. It is not the final changes on behalf of the druid. Time will tell.

[@TheSozu]

Rip sub rogue, 4 years practising for nothing now.. rip ele shaman. This is totally caster / zugzug / mm / ret pala expansion.

[@KyotoChronicler]

lol

[@foreignerthethird7045]

huh XD sub been solid pick forever

[@Templar1337-d9e]

Lmao mm and ret are dogshit, what are you smoking

[@viniciusnunes5951]

where ret pala? lol

[@TheSozu]

@@foreignerthethird7045 How its solid, if you have only one burst to go and then every CD need wait years because vanish CDR anymore? What MMR player you are?

[@Sugiura_SWC_RTA]

hello petko can you please clear your throat before recording, imagine me going to bed with my headphones, volume to 80% and every time I press a video of yours, I hear that sound buzzing my gear for centuries, can you please do that for us ? Thanks for the content anyway 🎉

[@Yes-wm7hv]

no idea why you decided to use these shitty "patch notes" vs the official ones lol just clicked off the video because of

[@peettko]

I will consider using the official blue ones next time. I believe when I recorded the video, they might have not been up. Thank you for the feedback, will do better next time.

[@martinsvoboda2925]

can you link the better version patch overview pls @@peettko