112 - Panic in Moscow! The Germans are here! - WW2 - October 17, 1941

[@WorldWarTwo]

*DURING EXPORT OF THE VIDEO FILE A MAP CLIP WAS UNFORTUNATELY REPEATED - WE ARE WORKING WITH KZbin TO FIX IT, AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE* Japan's immediate future seems decided with a new government that certainly has no issue with the war in China or with extending that war to the south, meanwhile Moscow panics as the Germans approach. What does all this mean for the men and women in the occupied territory? What does it mean for those at home? To learn more about that check out our sub-series "War Against Humanity" and "On the Homefront": War Against Humanity playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLsIk0qF0R1j4cwI-ZuDoBLxVEV3egWKoM On the Homefront playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLsIk0qF0R1j5Ug9lCaxygenFf3lzuGXap Please read our rules of conduct before you comment, saves everyone headaches: community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518

[@samuelkatz1124]

The Japanese political system seems to be a complete nightmare of careful wording and redirecting blame. Some biographics on some of the characters mentioned like prince Konoe, Kido, Nagano, and so forth would also be neat!

[@garrymartin6474]

I hope that your series is available in Japanese as apparently this period of history and the actions of the Japanese forces are not really taught in schools.

[@typxxilps]

The intro sounds like the invasion of france "fall rot" and Churchill asking about reserves.

[@richardperlman1036]

L

[@od9694]

Please set up a Facebook page for the day by day coverage

[@StickWithTrigger]

I'm trying to imagine Hirohito's face when the same guy who said a war in China would be easy is now saying a war with the USA will be easy.

[@hiro316]

O yeah, It was really funny moment

[@joshuasharpe8047]

*squints with Hirohitoly disdain*

[@tavarix5893]

Just a month ago they were saying the German plans were unrealistic

[@undrgrnd734]

just in and out 20 minute adventure

[@chaimmeirzaner6383]

"It'll be easy" they said

[@OttomanDrifter91]

Title: Panic in Moscow Indy: This week Japanese government falls Me: The what

[@jtgd]

Nani ?!?!?

[@crimsonstrykr]

Title: Panic in Moscow Thumbnail: Japanese generals Indy: See I pulled a little sneaky on ya!

[@renel8964]

*PANIC AT THE MOSCOW*

[@starroving6464]

They were panicking in Moscow because Japanese government fell

[@Alecxace]

@@starroving6464 Anime was a mistake

[@mrb3nz]

that "Out of Supplies" alert must be ringing like crazy

[@demonicinqusition]

I don't even want to see the manufacturing deficit.

[@hopin8krzys]

Honey, its time for weekly "glorious victory against the Soviets that for sure will be a final blow to end this war"

[@TheBreadB]

Yes dear...

[@AndyM_323YYY]

They were probably getting tired of sinking the Ark Royal.

[@user-ez9ng2rw9c]

This time is for realsies. Promise.

[@wtfbros5110]

*Stalin is finished* - says increasingly nervous Goebbels for the 10th time

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

"I don't know if the Germans will take Moscow, but I'm already laughing about what will happen next" - Napoléon Bonaparte

[@mjbull5156]

Napoleon had some hard earned experience about whether taking Moscow is a war winning accomplishment or not.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Charles XII: first time?

[@jonathanallard2128]

@Marshal Rooster J Yeah, didn't think he'd laugh either. More like nightmare fuel for him.

[@korbell1089]

@@jonathanallard2128 He was probably laying there in his mausoleum sipping champagne and thinking, "6inches of snow? That's cute!"

[@jonathanallard2128]

@@korbell1089 6 pouce de neige, rien a branler. Il m'en tombait 15 dessus en septembre en plus des Cossacks! -Napoléon in his coffin, circa 1941, maybe

[@Kriegter]

German Tanks: move Russians: stop retreating!

[@scottaznavourian540]

That's some major battle of bull run level confusion

[@jamestheotherone742]

@@scottaznavourian540 x 10. It is unimaginable the level of chaos and the scale of it at this point of the campaign. If the Germans had had the resources, and I mean just the fuel and ammo, to fully exploit the full rout of the Red Army at this point, the war would really would have been over by Dec. The only thing that saved the Soviets was the Nazi's poor logistics and failure to account for the weather (which gets much worse shortly).

[@andreyverbin]

@@jamestheotherone742 I think logistical issues was unavoidable given how fast they moved ahead, length they covered, state of roads in USSR and burned land policy. State of the roads might have been deciding factor, I guess German army assumed USSR had roads and counted on it when they planned Barbarossa. When after they failed to achieve deciding victory it was too late. They either launch an attack on Moscow in autumn with no roads and poor weather or wait until spring.

[@CanadisX]

@@andreyverbin i'm pretty sure they stated in one Episode that german intelligence thought that roads on the map were actual roads in the middle-european sense. Their intelligence agencies were real crap.

[@dnickaroo3574]

Stalin brought Reserves to Moscow from Siberia. As the Germans prepared to attack Moscow, he ordered a counter-attack which threw the Germans back into the wastes of Winter. The German attack was delayed by bombing attacks against their Oil fields in Romania from Crimea. They had to divert attacks against Kiev and Crimea. Sevastopol held out until July 1942 against Manstein's 11th Army. However, this Army suffered so many casualties that it was not able to attack Stalingrad with Paulus' 6th Army in the second half of 1942.

[@yourstruly4817]

Now I know how Caesar felt when he solved the Rubik's Cube.

[@stevebengel1346]

I actually preferred when he invented the perfect salad

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

He said something like "veni, vidi, solvedi"

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

*stabby noises*

[@hemidas]

Alea iacta est!

[@LordCarolusMagnus]

@@hemidas yes the rubrics cube is cast

[@hantingliu882]

German: "Help me attack this big nation, quick" Japan: "Attacks Pearl Harbor" German: "Bruh.....“

[@spetsnatzlegion3366]

It’s like wrong hole but instead wrong superpower

[@RandomHistoric]

Contrary to memes, Hitler was quite happy when Japan attacked the US. He thought that America would be tied for years in the Pacific while Germany conquered the old world

[@laki7480]

Spoilers!

[@greg_mca]

He's a little confused but he's got the spirit

[@lycaonpictus9662]

@@RandomHistoric Exactly right. Hitler was overjoyed when given news that the Japanese had attacked Pearl Harbor, as he thought it would tie up the United States and prevent it from intervening in any significant way in Europe, because he thought Japan would win, and because (with the German declaration of war that followed) it gave Germany a free hand to attack US shipping bringing supplies to Britain and the Soviet Union. The memes make it seem as if Germany was strategically adept while Japan strategically inept, and that was not the case at all. Not to mention that Germany's attack on the Soviet Union was as reckless if not more so than Japan's attack on the United States, and that the planning of Barbarossa was just as rife with wishful thinking.

[@mgore90]

800km east of Moscow, yet still 100's of kilometres west of the Urals. Really puts into perspective just how big the USSR, even just the European heartland was.

[@spetsnatzlegion3366]

‘Never wage a land war in Asia’ was a very good remark in the princess bride, there’s so much freaking land and so many freaking people that it’s impossible to not cause mass death in the millions, take huge tracts of land the size of whole European countries and not even dent a country that badly...

[@ilyashuvalov7425]

"Never wage a land war in European Russia’

[@brutal_chud]

@@spetsnatzlegion3366 princess bride? really? Not even enemy at the gates is your source, but princess fucking bride? change your name bro, something like ButtercupBrigade 69 would be more appropriate. The eastern front is entirely taking place in the EU subcontinent, and it's making such a dent that the demographics of the former USSR still feel it today. So stop it with the meme history already! The Mongols, Tatars and the Poles among others all did well enough where Napoleon and Hitler failed. It's a big ass indefensible open steppe, hence why its government always obsessed over expanding to natural boundaries like oceans, seas, mountains

[@Yora21]

"Imagine you're somewhere in the middle of the Central Asian steppe. Pick a random direction and travel a thousand kilometers. Where are you now? Still in the middle of the Central Asian steppe.

[@jacobdewey2053]

@@brutal_chud I will not stand for this Princess Bride slander. That's a darn good movie

[@bernardoschettini6584]

"go play in the mud or something" -Indy's response to 2020

[@Zaluskowsky]

Lmao

[@aritakalo8011]

German soldier: How big is the red army? Answer: If you have to ask, you can't afford to attack them.

[@rinyc9100]

34 million soviets have served in the war

[@kstxevolution9642]

how big is the red army? yes.

[@adelkheir]

The might of an Inexhaustible army !

[@ercan1001]

They killed so many Russians it's mind boggling. One whole generation completely wiped out. Russia is still suffering from echoes of it's demographic effects.

[@MrDwarfpitcher]

@@ercan1001 the germans do aswell And the romanians The bulgarians Poles Oh dear...

[@samsmith2635]

In Soviet Russia.. Germans and Russians share the road!

[@Man_0f_Trenches]

That’s how you know peak communism has been achieved, when enemies share.

[@Perkelenaattori]

I don't like this Tojo fella. I have a feeling he's going to be bad news!

[@laurenceingram7314]

Meh, this whole thing will be over by Christmas don't you worry!

[@seeyouchump]

Have you not seen his smile??! No way this guy is gonna risk another war!

[@Perkelenaattori]

@@seeyouchump I'm honestly not sure Motasem.. Something tells me that the Mikado wouldn't choose a pacifist general to be the minister of war. Surely they wouldn't be so stupid that they would attack?

[@stc3145]

No, he is very nice man that would never hurt a fly. Im sure he will retire on a beach after the war

[@aaroncabatingan5238]

It should be fine. What's the worst he could do? Start a war with the only major power not directly involved in any conflict, with resources and industry far beyond what Japan could currently dream of? Along with two major colonial powers in the region that though already involved in the Clusterfuck of Europe, is still a formidable force to be reckoned with. While they are still in the middle of a resource-draining war in China. And base their entire plan on those major powers being cowards and would bow to any territorial demands Japan makes after they obliterate every military asset they have in the entire Pacific Region. Surely he's not that stupid! 😂😂😂

[@poiuyt975]

Pétain accusing Reynaud of France's fall. I hope that the marshall gets the irony of the whole situation.

[@jonbaxter2254]

I'm sure irony tastes very good behind the bars of a cell

[@poiuyt975]

@@Mplkjo15 I've been watching the show from 1914. :-) But my point was that it had been Reynaud who wanted to continue the fight and Pétain who had actually surrendered.

[@pedrolopez8057]

I think it was more a matter of eliminating rivals

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

@@Mplkjo15 The thing is that France could've kept fighting, just like how Norway, Poland and other countries had kept fighting. They could've evacuated to Africa and continued the fight from there. They still had a huge colonial empire from which they could recruit soldiers and exploit its resources. Not only did they stop fighting, they gave the Germans everything they wanted, basically becoming their ally much like Franco was. They even let the Germans use their colonies to support uprisings in the Middle East. Not only that, but they collaborated with the Nazi's in the Holocaust. Surrendering was one thing, collaborating and switching sides is another. De Gaulle proved it wasn't necessary, and the French government was wrong in hoping that the Germans wouldn't just take over France. What happened in the end? Well De Gaulle saved French pride and let them pretend that the above didn't happen. They retained their influence and got a seat on the UN Security council. Meanwhile, Poland, which never surrendered, was utterly desolated, its borders forcibly changed by the USSR with its peoples deported out of the old Polish East.

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

@@Mplkjo15 It was never an obvious choice. Reynauld and De Gaulle had been pushing for the French to keep fighting, to at least evacuate metropolitan France and continue fighting from there. Petain and much of the military was in favor of a peace with Germany. I admit that, at the time, it made more sense and was more sensible, it's understandable to the French that, if they just cooperated, Germany might have mercy. However, we know in hindsight that this was the wrong call, the French could have evacuated to the Colonies, bringing their fleet with them, and denying the Germans a quick victory and forcing them to continue fighting in faraway lands where they're overstretched. It would've been a blow to morale sure, but the USSR fought through far worse. De Gaulle showed that this was possible. That's one thing, but the Vichy did nothing but suck up to Germany. The Bulgarian Government for instance was able to save much of its Jewish population by comparison. It may not have done them any good because the Germans were never serious about letting the French reclaim France, and when the Allies invaded Algeria they just occupied the rest of France anyway because it no longer prevented the colonies from being used against them. Again, making peace was one thing, but the French outright switched sides and carried out the Holocaust unprompted. They deserve to be shamed for it, especially as they do not have the excuse Poland, Denmark or Norway did of being a weaker power. They had a large powerful modernized military and Germany had most of its army marching on foot, with their supplies being brought forth with horses. It is borderline comical that the French were beat so badly.

[@Newidhan]

Germans: Just how big is the red army? Red Army: Yes.

[@jonathanallard2128]

How many more times will this tired "how many...yes" joke be used on every KZbin video? Unoriginal commenters fishing for likes: Yes.

[@billyyank2198]

I think the proper reply is "Da."

[@tmack11]

@@jonathanallard2128 thanks Captain Bringdown and the Party Patrol lol

[@jonathanallard2128]

@@tmack11 Just dishing back the annoyance! You're welcome.

[@user-es3dr5xk8f]

5 mil

[@crimsonstrykr]

"Just how big is this Army?!" A question often asked when fighting land battles in Asia.

[@Newidhan]

Unless you are the mongols *cue clip*

[@wrongway1100]

Stalin: "I think you under estimate how many people actually live here. And how little I care about their lives."

[@crimsonstrykr]

@@Newidhan Haha 😁

[@crimsonstrykr]

@@wrongway1100 Reminds me of that Infinity War scene: +You will have nothing but dust and blood! -We....have blood to spare.

[@ReclinedPhysicist]

Stalin: Smetimes quantity has a quality all its own

[@Weeboslav]

"Go play in the mud!" My childhood in the nutshell...

[@jonbaxter2254]

I'm sorry you spent your childhood in wartime Russia

[@Raskolnikov70]

Ah, the days before helicopter parenting, when our folks kicked us out of the house and told us not to come back before dinner or else.....

[@stevekaczynski3793]

I have seen a photo of Russıan village children in the vicinity of Stalingrad playing with abandoned German machine-guns in the wake of the 6th Army disaster. I like to hope they knew where the safety catches were, and kept them on...

[@bring_back_dislikes]

@@Raskolnikov70 Ah yes, not threatening your children, perfect example of good parenting.

[@BrianSmith-nu3lg]

I was unaware of the intrigue of the Japanese government. Before this series, I was under the impression that Japan was pro-war, With the army and navy only disagreeing on strategy and tactics. Thank You as always Indy! BTW the tie and vest combo was a 8/10 It fits the fall season perfectly

[@mjbull5156]

It was not so much "antiwar" versus "prowar", but that some, like Yamamoto, were a bit more cautious about what the Japanese military could realistically take on at the same time.

[@sicily7220]

I second this. I was under the same impression, the Japanese government was pro-war from the outset and army avy strategies were in doubt. Tujo becoming prime minister had me believing this was take over of the Japanese government complete by the military.

[@steverogers8163]

There's a book I liked called "Japan 1941" by Eri Hotta. It attempts to detail the internal political drama around the decision to go to war with the USA. It details how the diplomatic efforts were constantly undermined by the military. As well as the USA seemingly not quite understanding they were boxing Japan into a corner. It also nicely pairs with the graphic novel autobiography "Showa: A History of Japan" by Shigero Mizuki (its 4 books long). He was born at the beginning of the Showa era (Hirohito reign) and recounts growing up in this time, his service in the army and his artist career after the war. Also covers what happened with his parents while he was away at war. But to sum it all up Japan had put up such an immense front of false bravado that when they failed to meet their objectives or anyone openly questioned them. Their life was in serious danger from internal fanatics that had bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker. There was an Army rebellion in Tokyo itself, demanding even harder line tactics. Multiple assassinations attempts, some successful, against people seen as not for the war enough. So ultimately the leadership was to afraid to tell the public the truth and to back down from an unwinnable position. They just kept praying for a miracle.

[@coryfice1881]

@@steverogers8163 If you look at Japanese propaganda directed towards American soliders. It's extremely tone death and one poster literally has so many words I stopped reading it which I imagine was the case for the soldiers as well.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Despite the look, many knew war was a foolish idea. They were already fighting China, why bring in more?

[@soxfan773]

Love the inclusion of the Millinieum Falcon in the background! It’s role in the battle of Midway is often over looked

[@badmutherfunster]

Totally agree, I believe it sank at least two carriers and previously took part in the doolittle raid😂

[@josephthompson7840]

Tojo hideki becomes prime minister of Japan, well shit, here we go lads welcome to the beginning of a war of annihilation on par of the European eastern front

[@Ravie1]

@@SVTDI Didn't something like 30 million people die across the whole eastern theatre of the war? And didn't the Japanese kill 40% (of the relatively small number) of American POW's and enslave the rest violating the geneva convention blatantly? Some of the most grotesque warcrimes in human history happened in China, it definately was a brutal front.

[@TheBreadB]

20+ million Chinese dead and around 8 to 14 million other deaths, not small at all.

[@nolletthibault2031]

@@SVTDI And the eastern front lasted from june 41 to may 45, while the sino-japanes war lasted from july 37 to august 45.

[@andreyverbin]

If you check with wiki you’ll see that China losses are second largest, right after USSR. Something about 20 mil in dead. I think most of them are non-combatants and PoW killed by Japanese in basically same way as Germans killed people in eastern front.

[@nolletthibault2031]

@@SVTDI I was precisely backing what you was saying, no need to feel offended.

[@oskarrasmussen7137]

Last week: Wow, the Germans are making a lot of progress. Where is this mud I heard stopped their advance? Now: oh there it is.

[@sodinc]

it was waiting to appear at the most dramatic moment

[@jasonharryphotog]

When the whole country turns into a mud bath

[@kalashnikovdevil]

Good ol General Mud and General Winter, the two greatest warriors in Russian history.

[@danielcobbins9050]

In Russia the autumn mud is called Razputitza.

[@craterus-ii9im]

Andy you guys deserve some kind of award for this series, great work on the fine details that are often left out on other docs. Thanks for the hours of entertainment and education.

[@WorldWarTwo]

you are very welcome!

[@cobbler9113]

Still good to see that amidst all the blood and carnage, that there are some relatively "light-hearted" moments such as the Russian trucks following the German tanks for sometime by accident which made me chuckle a bit. I'm also completely sure that Japan going to war with America and Britain (who has a colony in Asia large enough to be an empire in its own right) is very sensible, especially as it's in a stalemate with China right now. What can possibly go wrong with that...

[@mjbull5156]

The Fog of War can lead to some bizarre situations.

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

are you talking about the British Raj?*

[@Nothing-1w3]

Same

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

@@Nothing-1w3 ?

[@cobbler9113]

@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 Yes. I appreciate it was weaker and more underdeveloped than it should have been, but good luck subduing India and China at the same time.

[@howardbrandon11]

Timestamps: 0:52 Phone Call Reference: Beginning of Moscow Panic 1:55 German Public Starts Losing Confidence in Government's News 3:28 Snow Falls in Russia 4:15 Operation Typhoon - Army Group Center This Week 8:40 The State of the German and Soviet Armies 9:11 Vyazma: Great German Victory or Noble Soviet Sacrifice? 10:19 Soviets Transfer Troops from Siberia to Moscow 10:58 Notes to End the Week - Odessa, USS Kearney, and Former French PMs 11:42 Summary of the Week 11:49 A New Government in Japan

[@podemosurss8316]

10:42 What the Soviets are doing here, however, is replacing the trained units in the Manchurian border (which are the ones sent to Moscow) with recently raised divisions, as they are recruiting constantly. These new units are only capable of defense, and are to complete training during the following months.

[@scottaznavourian540]

When the bring up the siberian troops is when the real fun begins

[@podemosurss8316]

@@scottaznavourian540 The trained units in the Manchurian border ARE the Siberian troops...

[@scottaznavourian540]

@@podemosurss8316 yeah brain fart

[@marrvynswillames4975]

actually, if you check the transferences, between june and december, only 28 divisions were send from beyond the urals, from which only 2 from Siberia District actually fought near Moscow. these transferences were irrelevant against more than 120 divisions raised in 1941 only

[@podemosurss8316]

@@marrvynswillames4975 I have published monthly transcriptions of those transferences... The thing is that the Soviets are taking divisions from Siberia and sending them to Europe from the beginning, while at the same time they are raising new divisions everywhere they can (which includes Siberia). Still, they have a lot of units in the Manchu border should the Japanese try anything funny.

[@krustenkaese3905]

this week my grandpa would be somewhere on those muddy roads southeast of Bryansk advancing onto Oryol and trying to get to Moscow. He was 17 years old at the time.

[@mixedmark3414]

My grandpa would be somewhere over Moscow bombing the city.

[@blackmantis3130]

Wow he survived the eastern hell

[@Ultiminati]

@@mixedmark3414 have city bombing begun yet? i didn't hear Indy mentioning in any of those episodes.

[@Asahamana]

My grandpas would propably be sweating In the forests of Karelia, propably.

[@mixedmark3414]

@@Ultiminati He never told me when, but he mentioned it.

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

Can we just acknowledge how the shadow of the planes over the map in the background is perfect in the context of this series?

[@Namooro]

Hello from Kuibyshev! (modern-day Samara). There actually a lot of embassies that was build just in case of evacuation (for example Australian one), and the building of bunkers was ordered for some high ranking officials (and some was started, for Stalin himself). Samara then (not only October but for the first years of war) was considered as the second capital in case of some unimaginably bad events like the fall of Moscow.

[@kalashnikovdevil]

Fascinating! I doubt I'd have ever turned that stone over on my own! Thank you!

[@bf2229]

I visited Samara and the bunker you were talking about, in summer 2019. Its a very beautiful city.

[@TheNextGoogification]

Andy Nidel is something else, that he can go thru this whole thing, a half an hour talk without making any mistakes. When you watch it, I think most think I can do that, and then till you try to give a speech or something and not make any goof ups

[@TokioExpress]

“It is either glory or decline” -Tojo Hideki

[@rook1196]

"the troops will be home in time for Dragon Quest Day" - Tojo Hideki

[@crimsonstrykr]

Soooooo would Hideki call the modern Japan glory or decline?

[@stevekaczynski3793]

The same kind of "either - or" mentality Hitler had.

[@TheLibermania]

I'm actually "bingewatching" this series to catch up and would like to say two things. 1. I'm impressed how good Indy pronounces german words and names. Thumbs up for that. 👍 2. Could you please work on the title for the episodes. I mean not the names, but put the number a bit earlier in the name, because the number disappears in my display (because it's so far back) and it's hard to keep up which episode you already watched. If you're reading this, thank you for that.

[@trillionbones89]

The only thing that bugs me about this channel is them starting a year too early. Now they have to say "79 years ago" instead of 80.

[@Asahamana]

I thought I was the only one 😄 My problem is that 41 should be next year because 21 😄

[@Joshua-fq9tm]

same bro, the first time I tuned in to this channel was kn 2018, right before the Great war day by day ends. I was surprised that they started before 2019.

[@Raskolnikov70]

It's definitely OCD-triggering, but they wanted to strike while the iron was hot, so to speak, coming right off the end of the Great War series and while people were still interested in this style of documentary.

[@WorldWarTwo]

@Hail Satan We couldn't wait for a year doing nothing, as the channel, and ourselves, need an income

[@skena76]

@@WorldWarTwo You need an income. WHAT?!?! NOOOO THATS NOT RIGHT! this is a joke about uhm, something?

[@GunnyKeith]

Outstanding presentation Indy. Your a gem

[@Star_moses]

Konoye seems like that one guy in the room with any sense at all.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

SPOILER He commits suicide shortly after the war, suspecting he will be charged with war crimes as his name had appeared on a list. He left a note saying he had tried to avoid war.

[@bingobongo1615]

Absolutely. Yet, nobody will listen to him now or after the war. He was selected by Hirohito to finally bring peace with China (which Japan tried since 1937 but always failed due to the military and navy having way too big demands) but he never supported him enough to actually make the army or navy listen to his ideas.

[@jaojao1768]

He was also proposed as chief negotiator to the Soviet Union in 1945, before the bombs and the Soviet DoW

[@jangelbrich7056]

Thanks for those internal details on Japan war preparations. Those are rarely reported

[@costellotocustelow03]

2:45 Indy!!!

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

ironic seeing Philip Petáin arresting former prime ministers, as he was a collaborator with the axis occupation forces himself,haha.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

In 1942 a trial was held at Riom, seeking to blame the pre-war French government for France's collapse. It backfired badly and was suspended. The Germans were annoyed by the outcome. Some fairly high-level prisoners of the Germans were kept alive under relatively good conditions when it might have been expected they would be killed. Herschel Grynszpan for example, whose assassination of a German diplomat had provided the excuse for Kristallnacht. Held in a French jail, the Germans arrested him in 1940 and sent him to Germany. Or Georg Elser, who had tried to kill Hitler. Probably the idea was to use them in a show trial that never happened. Elser was killed shortly before the end of the Third Reich, Grynszpan probably died in 1944 but his fate has never been clarified.

[@scottaznavourian540]

Arresting them for essentilly putting him in power

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

@@scottaznavourian540 yeah, but he surely liked having that power,haha

[@stevekaczynski3793]

The trial sought to avoid giving direct military responsibility, which might have pointed blame at someone like Huntziger, who was favoured by Vichy. However, Gamelin was one of those put on trial.

[@leyomis]

@@stevekaczynski3793 Huntziger died in a plane crash on November 12, 1941 and Riom's trials will take place from February 19 to April 15, 1942

[@abeherbert6603]

That story of the Germans driving through confused Russian troops immediately made me think of the opening scene from Kelly's Heroes. Given the Soviet's 'scorched earth' policy, the song 'Burning Bridges' is still suitable too.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

That film lurched between unrealistic elements and more realistic ones. Oddball was an example of the former, but the opening scene of Eastwood hiding in the midst of the autumn 1944 German retreat in France was not so unrealistic.

[@Yora21]

"We're in luck, the bridge is still standing." *boom* "...now it ain't."

[@stevekaczynski3793]

@@Yora21 And getting assaulted by them Tigers... Yes, although the Americans and British sometimes mistook the more modest Panzer IVs for Tiger tanks.

[@alexamerling79]

"The Germans are approaching Moscow!" General Rasputista: "Hold my Vodka."

[@alexamerling79]

@Miguel de Luis Thanks. Fixed it :p

[@cohengamertv6548]

RA RA RASPUTISTA

[@ФилиппЛыков-д8е]

My greatgrandma and my grandma (her daughter) did not panic and stayed in Moscow in October, 1941. Greatgrandma was legally entitled to leave, being a childrens' doctor. But as a Communist, she cosidered it to be more appropriate to stay. Grandma, 16 at that time, would get to the roofs to sandbox-extinguish small incendiary bombs ("zazhigalki" as they were colloquially called) dropped by the Germans. They would not leave Moscow during the war.

[@stormsergeant6517]

You'll never truly realize how long it really felt. Unless you were in it. Word War Two gives us a hint of how long it felt for the normal person during the time

[@fclp67]

Vyazma is like the 6th of those big battles on the eastern front, it's basically like winning 6 battles of France but it still isn't enough.

[@6omega2]

Truly outstanding presentation. Thank you.

[@Bagster321]

The Eastern Front for the Germans is best described by the famed quote by renowned historian collective, Smash Mouth; “And they don’t stop coming”

[@jasondouglas6755]

Love this Indy, You make the best day of the week even BETTER!!

[@spidrre]

you should've named this episode: "Panic! in Moscow"

[@roseairmusic8521]

Or "Panic! In the Kremlin"

[@totallynotalpharius2283]

I chimed in with a haven't you people ever heard of the great patriotic war

[@ironbloodxiii]

The Grey coats are coming! Second part anyway...

[@jonbaxter2254]

Just imagining a Russian van driving in a German column and realising where it is. *chuckles, I'm in danger*

[@stevekaczynski3793]

The opening scene in "Kelly's Heroes" in which Clint Eastwood is hiding in a US jeep in a German roadblock at night, in a rainstorm, with a captured German colonel in tow, was actually rather realistic.

[@tylus126]

Not understanding Japan politics, are we viewing "Tojo's faction" takeover as a military takeover of a "civic government heading by militants"?

[@jmaitland5709]

Japan at this point had been under the control of the military for years, but not 'officially'. For example, every time an anti-military Prime Minister (or really just a Prime Minister that the military didn't like) got appointed, that Prime Minister would always be suddenly assassinated army officers. This was the point where the military's control started to become more consolidated, but there is still more to come.

[@AP-su9oc]

From what I understand, Tojo's rise is the final step in the parlement becoming a puppet of the Army and Navy.

[@fishyfish8293]

As Min Rz said, any prime minister, who was considered "defeatist" by army, was at the risk of assassination by some "zealous nationalist elements" in IJA. But army's primary method of controlling politics was rejecting to appoint army minister to a cabinet. By the law, army minister and navy minister had to be an active military personnel who was at rank of general. And, while not specifically mentioned in the law, practically no one could be army minister or navy minister without approvement of army/navy high command. So if army thought new prime minister was not in line with their ideas, they didn't appoint any general as army minister and collapsed the cabinet, or used this as a threat and made the cabinet do what they wanted.

[@oliverbanter1865]

@@patrickholt2270 Ok mate, the only answer to poverty is not socialism. Everyone who has half a brain cell + knows that son.

[@bingobongo1615]

@@jmaitland5709 That is just absolutely wrong. The last prime minister ousted here was anti-war and wasnt murdered at all. The guy murdered was murdered by fanatical officers not through the military leadership. The idea of a Japanese military domination of the government only really comes true after Pearl Harbor and only for 2 years or so and there was no issue to relieve Tojo when Hirohito wanted.

[@wangbot47]

Love that facial expression right after you said they made Tojo prime minister, Indy. Flawlessly executed mix of "oh shit" and disgust

[@darvennej4495]

Always amazing to look a the months of October leading up to December 1941 and the events ? one cannot grasp on how the Germans felt ..a million soviet soldiers gone in front of them and still not any closer to victory .. I remember reading Paul Carell's reporting of this back when i was a teenager and decades later it still formulates so many questions. Nice narration Indy. ! It is getting serious now!.

[@jpm8782]

very good videos Indy and all the WW2 team, I love it

[@baswdc2165]

Panic in Moscow! The Germans are here! Shows picture of Japan Yeah I think the Soviet Intelligence Agency needs a bit of a rework

[@stuartmackenzie4284]

With the greatest respect, what is the situation with the animated maps? They seem to have dropped in resolution recently? Love your stuff! Hope you continue to make much more good content!

[@sorrel7554]

Not sure if the problem applies to past video, but apparently this one in particular had a bunch of technical difficulties. (Patrons got it a day late/only a day early)

[@wtfbros5110]

Eastory probably doing something else

[@kategrant2728]

Could also be burnout with the number and complexity he's had to do since June. Must be exhausting trying to keep up.

[@allanhughes7859]

Yet another fantastic lecture/teaching of second world war history please please keep up the good work !! Thankyou so much for your time and effort !!!!

[@davidsmart8594]

Loving the series. Thank you.

[@SuperLusername]

So in some way Hirohito's appointment of Tojo as PM is analogue to Hindenburg's appointment of Hitler as chancellor?

[@Southsideindy]

Tojo never had anything like total power, though. We have a bio special on him coming out in the next couple weeks that goes over it. And Tojot's rise (and fall) was all completely constitutional and there were never any "emergency powers" that he took because power, though he did have a great deal of power because of the multiple cabinet posts he had at once. The special explains it pretty well.

[@TheLocalLt]

@@Southsideindy imo it was more akin to Victor Emmanuel’s appointment of Mussolini as constitutional prime minister, like Mussolini Tojo ran with it and consolidated power into a totalitarian fascist state under the IRAA party, Imperial Rule Assistance Assoc., which set up youth groups and coordinated all members of society. This was the point at which Japan went from merely imperialist expansionism to true totalitarian fascism. The main difference between Tojo and Mussolini’s setup’s being that Tojo simply used the existing cult of personality around the position of the emperor, whereas in Italy where no such cult existed Mussolini created one around himself.

[@Ruosteinenknight]

There's also parallels how Paul von Hindenburg and Erich Lundendorff transformed Germany into military dictatorship effectively supplanting Kaiser Wilhelm.

[@joezephyr]

As always another terrific episode thank you.

[@connormcelroy3678]

Been following your channel for almost six months and in that time, I’ve watched both the Great War series and every episode of world war 2 that’s been produced up to now. This series is awesome! With that being said, how long does it take y’all to produce a video?

[@AndreasPetersen]

The section on the Japanese politcal course towards war was super interesting and tense. Love the politcal background to the war.

[@Southsideindy]

thanks- it was fun to compress and write, and even more fun to present.

[@Spindrift_87]

The story goes that, when Hirohito pointed out how long the war in China had been going (versus what Sugiyama had initially forecast before it began), the army chief gave as a reason the vast size of China. To which the emperor is supposed to have pointed out how much more vast was the Pacific Ocean.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

I wonder if that is really true, as he seems to have done little in practice to rein in Japanese military expansion. How much power and agency Hirohito had is a matter of debate.

[@gianniverschueren870]

I think this tie is another reissue? Perhaps not the best combination with the shirt and the waistcoat, but the tie itself is lovely. Nice detailing. 4/5

[@JustSomeCanuck]

Speaking of World War Two, did you see what happened while that Tallboy was being disposed of in Poland? Good thing nobody was hurt!

[@watcherzero5256]

Yeah, though they were doing it remotely as they thought their approach to disarming it it only had a 50/50 chance of being successful. They had opened it up and were attempting to burn off the explosive (since the explosive wasnt thermally sensitive) while trying not to set the explosive off by knocking it too hard (as concussive shock would set it off).

[@wikingagresor]

Actually, just checked it out: 2 bomb squad soldiers died and 4 wounded.

[@Raskolnikov70]

My favorite quote from the Daily Mail article about it: "Lewandowski said the bomb is now considered safe." Ya think?

[@watcherzero5256]

@@wikingagresor I think your seeing a different story, none were hurt.

[@watcherzero5256]

@@Raskolnikov70 Its the Original Polish MOD tweet: "Lt Cmdr G.Lewandowski, 8th Coastal Defence Flotilla: The deflagration process turned into detonation. The object can be considered neutralised, it will not pose any more threat to the Szczecin-Swinoujscie shipping channel."

[@tandemis1]

2:44 Indy giving Flo a clean shave cca 2020 (uncolorized)

[@benismann]

Hey; 5:08 - now Stavka is here! All failings from before belongs to Shtavka, Stavka will carry USSR to victory! but for real, finally "stavka" is pronounced correctly

[@guilhermewallau8324]

I have the David Stahel book, "Operation Typhoon". What a great book. Greetings from Brasil!

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

Imperial Japan is the absolute definition of "When all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail."

[@nickthenoodle9206]

Best series on KZbin that I've found by far.

[@WorldWarTwo]

We appreciate your kind words, thanks for watching!

[@frederickthegreatpodcast382]

2:46 is that Indy???????

[@exnihilo5087]

He does actually look like him. xD

[@indianajones4321]

Wow, they really do look similar

[@TheSporkFactory]

I like how the shadows of the planes in the background fall on Great Britain and the Soviet Union, just thought that was a nice touch. So to speak.

[@mellowfellow14]

Hitler: Moscow is in our sights victory is ours! Stalin: 200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way

[@scottski02]

"That doesn't seem possible. How could the Soviets come up with another army so quickly?"

[@nazberg445]

Why did you stop announcing the date/week at the beginning of your videos?

[@Southsideindy]

I didn’t. I just forgot.

[@greatwhiteshark4931]

Indy. Your the man, man.

[@coolwhip455]

How many troops does the Red Army have? Stalin: Yes

[@Happymali10]

My great-grandfather was a doctor, and apparently they would fly him in to various field-hospitals when they wanted someone to survive but couldn't transport them far.

[@brokenbridge6316]

I once remember reading that Stalin ended up deciding not to evacuate Moscow and did help restore a certain amount of public order. Stalin not evacuating Moscow was a very brave decision on his part. And one I can respect. Great job.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

He knew that German propaganda leaflets had claimed he had fled to Samara (Kuibyshev) and probably decided to disappoint such expectations. He also made an educated guess that with muddy roads and snow on the way, the German advance would not make it much further.

[@BakerVS]

Quick pronunciation guide: The city of Vyazma is pronounced with a 'Z' sound (like zoo or zebra), not a 'sh' or 'zh' sound. Great series, thanks!

[@sahteekrem]

Indy is pronouncing this town name a bit like a Pole would, with their /ź/ sound. This is still better and more accurate than the plain /z/ would be. And - appreciate it really that Indy has finally switched to the "Stavka" instead of "SHtavka". 😉

[@tormundgaint1022]

Does it matter, I bet you don't speak any other language. Pronouncing new words or names is never easy.

[@BakerVS]

@@sahteekrem I hadn't noticed about Indie's Stavka pronunciation, and I didn't know about the Polish pronunciation, thanks! Still, in Russian the sound in Vyazma is a palatalised /z/, which is close enough to an English /z/ sound. I think /z/ would be closer, but I'll admit I'm not 100% certain.

[@BakerVS]

@@tormundgaint1022 For starters, you know nothing about me. If you must know, I speak 5 languages, and I have a degree in Russian. Though my knowledge is not perfect, I know how Вязьма is pronounced. You're quite right though; pronouncing new words isn't easy, I don't want to depricate Indie's work, it's quite amazing.

[@SpectatorAlius]

@@sahteekrem How did you reach the conclusion the Polish pronunciation was more accurate? It is a Russian town, it was never a Polish town, and the name is written Вя́зьма. So it is a 'z' sound, but a 'soft' or 'palatized' one -- not that Americans can hear the difference!

[@welshlout3400]

Tojo Hideki, eh? Maybe he's a pleasant and well-meaning chap who wants to call off all overseas operations, sue for peace and pay fair war reparations, and do it all with a warm and apologetic smile? I have a good feeling about this guy.

[@blake101blake]

I can attest Indy is a great guy both on the screen and in real life! The entire World War Two team are amazing!

[@Southsideindy]

thank you, Blake! Drinks soon?

[@jared5112]

Indy: "The Japanese government falls." Me: "Did I skip to the end of the war or something?"

[@TheMorekraft]

true

[@joshawott331]

10:36 he's calling in the Siberians!

[@TitoMencho]

Nerd

[@johnnyd101]

That ending, Wow! You got to give a lot of respect to Roosevelt for understanding that the Japanese PM did not have any control over the Japanese armed forces and that any agreement would not be enforced.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

Japan was de facto a military dictatorship even before Pearl Harbor.

[@SpectatorAlius]

This is just one of many ways FDR was a great leader. I would even call him the best President we had in the 20th century.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

@@SpectatorAlius If US diplomats in Japan were at all competent, they would have informed him of the situation in their dispatches. Admittedly diplomats sometimes misread situations in the countries they work in.

[@Uilbaas]

I think it's good that each episode is released at the same week of when these events happen in 1941. I live in Western Europe and even though it's just October, it's gotten cold and wet. Just 10 degrees celcius is not a temperature you want to stay outside to. Now imagine staying outside during the upcoming December & January temperatures.

[@caryblack5985]

And Western Europe is warmer in winter than Russia.

[@hannahskipper2764]

Muscovite civilians: oh, sh*t we're in trouble! German soldiers: oh, sh*t we're in trouble!

[@ShadowWarrior881]

Just a thought for merch, war bonds style posters. Also, keep up the great work Indy and team.

[@tmack11]

General Winter begins His arrival

[@stevebarrett9357]

As always, an interesting and informative take on this portion of Barbarossa. I recently discovered a series on KZbin called The Great Patriotic War, a Russian TV docudrama. It has English subtitles and it would appear there is also an English narrated version called Soviet Storm. I just finished watching the battle for Moscow. This series is providing some interesting pov's and information.

[@Gonboo]

People keep mentioning the size of the Red Army, but a great general asks: "How bad is the infrastructure?"

[@caryblack5985]

Their production capacity was immense and they outproduced the Germans evry year in war material including 1942 when all their factories were moved hundreds of miles. The Soviet army leadership was poor at first but they learned and became much more competent. Here is production info en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II

[@dantecaputo2629]

I come back to these ones sometimes to remind myself how quickly the war turned

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you for (re)watching, Dante

[@thomcox3105]

is that a new experimental german fighter or just the millenium falcon standing on the shelf in the back there?

[@nateotto3960]

I was wondering what that was. It's not too anachronistic - Star Wars was created only 30 years after WWII, and that was 45 years ago. The cockpit looks like an HE-111 or a B-29, anyway.

[@nano9285]

It's the new FW-190. I've heard it's better than the Spitfire and it's just sarting to roll our from the german factories!

[@trisblackshaw1640]

Wow... Hirohito and Tojo did the old bait and switch with Konoye there.

[@neppyshub]

You guys should do a special episode on the U.S merchant marines! They kept England from dying, were the first American casualties of the war, receive nearly NO credit by the public or by history, AND they had the highest death rate of any American service branch (1 in 26), with a total of around 215,000 thousand casualties

[@simonfowler698]

Wow the last section on Japan was fascinating, keep up the amazing work guys

[@Southsideindy]

I have to admit- I had a great time writing it and distilling that timeline into one solid monologue. Thanks!

[@simonfowler698]

@@Southsideindy would make a great political mini series 😄

[@the82spartans62]

German soldier: 'Any word on winter clothing?' General Winter: 'Nyte'.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the Germans might have had world-beating Panzer tacticians, U-Boats that sank enemy ships and merchantmen left right and centre, and Luftwaffe aces who knocked down planes by the dozen - but their supply services were dreadful. Later, one plane bringing inadequate supplies into besieged Stalingrad will carry a load of ground pepper. Somebody on the Web defended this as a way to make rotting meat palatable, but it was still a waste of scarce space on an aircraft.

[@RogerThat787]

Best WWII KZbin channel

[@WorldWarTwo]

You’re the best!

[@Knihti1]

-Prince Naruhiko Higashikuni is proposed to be next Prime Minister. -General Hideki Tojo is appoint to be next Prime Minister. What a anime plot twist!

[@bingobongo1615]

The Emperor didnt want a member of the imperial family in the position in case something went wrong, the strategy was always to blame the prime minister. It was a really bad decision in hindsight but then again prince Higashikuni was somewhat of an army hardliner himself with blood on his hands in China.

[@ariochiv]

...and that was the day that war between Japan and the United States became inevitable. That was the day Emperor Hirohito signed the death warrants for 3 million of his own people.

[@PhonciblePBonehimself]

Last time I was this early the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was going on swimmingly

[@iDeathMaximuMII]

So June 21st?

[@davidbrennan660]

.....He still had his dog “Giro” in London.

[@finscreenname]

I come to a WWII history channel to get away from all the conflict on-line. Nice to see you brought Nancy, Chuck and AOC back Indy.

[@excelon13]

Even though the Germans are so close to Moscow, it feels like they're still 1000's of miles away with all the hurdles they have to overcome. And so begins the reign of Hideki Tojo as prime minister of Japan, I have a feeling this guy is going to brings bad news.

[@Septimus_ii]

The section at the end about the coup in Japan seemed really important, but it was quite hard to follow. I think it would be easier if you had the boxes (with picture, name and job) up every time you mentioned someone