Answering Atheists: Can Women Speak in Church? (1 Corinthians

[@nachalahmiriam5127]

Thank you for this humble and reasonable insight. Shalom.

[@YvonneSchoff]

I was hoping and dreaming you guys would answer this!!🙏🏼💕❤️

[@HopeCottage_Sarah]

Thanks for this, friends! It really confirmed some things to me. Blessings!

[@richardmason7840]

Shalom David, thanks I needed this one. Good to always use all Scripture and not get caught up in one verse theology. Be Blessed Enjoy Elohim!

[@futhanabuddah4444]

I like that...”Use all scripture and not just a one verse theology” I totally agree. Love how scripture reveals scripture as well.

[@richardmason7840]

@@futhanabuddah4444 It is even better to know Who the Scriptures are! John 1:1 Be Blessed Enjoy Elohim!

[@Psalm-119]

Yeah, it's difficult to tell exactly what he's referring to on certain topics, especially when we don't have many of the questions "to" Paul, but only Paul's responses to the questions. One thing's for sure though...Paul was not anti-Torah. Praise YAH!

[@lindalucas4242]

Thank you, brother!

[@JS-lc8er]

Excellent teaching well said.

[@vickitownsend6527]

I personally would not want to sit under a female lead pastor.

[@2aA2aA2a]

Great teaching

[@ellen_bui]

Female submission is mentioned in the Torah, Genesis 3:16. Paul also brings the passage up. Equal, but different roles.

[@tawhneebaby]

Sounds eerily close to "separate but equal..." i wonder how that's played out in the past...

[@chrispinemtepa4633]

I respect 119 ministries, but i would like to disagree with this teaching. It's not well balanced on scriptural usage and interpretation.

[@ivovanerp5914]

Couldn’t agree more. And very surprising they don’t use any OT verses to get to a fuller understanding. They said woman can be deacons in this teaching so they are already in error with many verses where it clearly states women are not supposed to have authority over men or teach with authority over men.

[@thebullwhisperer916]

This makes sense thank Yahuah

[@twaho]

I don't believe Paul is talking about speaking but teaching as a teacher, like a rabbi (used to be), a teacher is seen as someone with authority. As for prophets, God can get a message through anyone he wants to male or female, but a prophet is not a teacher. Paul is speaking in terms of an authoritative figure as a women teacher usurping authority over men where prophets are in the authority of God. 1Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. Note: I believe we have to rightfully divide the word according to the ways of God and not the fallen ways of this politically correct world. God's ways are perfect and if our theology contradicts this, we are the immoral ones, not God. Peace.

[@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K]

I think one simple way to fix the confusion on this would be if the word "out" was after the word "speaking" in this particular scripture as in being disruptive while the speaker is speaking 💯♥️📖

[@shereeangelescalo674]

Shalom.Thank you 119 Ministries. Yahweh bless all of you. I have one question about 1 Timothy 3 - is it just for a man to be a deacon/leader? Thanks My friend, insisted women are not allowed to lead at church?

[@TimothyChapman]

Good teaching overall, but there is one thing that might be considered a disagreement: Married women are under the authority of their husbands and do need to submit to this authority. I agree that this doesn't mean slavery or other form of oppression (which would not be the product of love), but there is a clear hierarchy in the family. Also, the word "sexist" is used as a tactic of intimidation if anyone dares to say something that leftists don't like, so such an accusation doesn't hold much weight.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

No

[@fivebooks8498]

@@j-mshistorycorner6932 That's hilarious. You just drop in on threads and say no. Lol! Saw you in another thread just saying "that's not right". I tend to agree with you. Would you care to elaborate though or just sticking with the short answer?

[@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K]

Side note, speaking in tongues is speaking in known languages 💯♥️📖

[@fivebooks8498]

Problem with that is Paul also addresses speaking in an unknown tongue and states that nobody understands it. That can't be a known language if nobody can understand it. 1 Corinthians 14:2 ESV - For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

[@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K]

@@fivebooks8498 So really there is no problem if you dig a little deeper into the text, so the word unknown is not technically there, it's added, it is not in the original scripture, and that may be hard to unlearn because we always think an unknown tongue, it does not say unknown it says tongue meaning language, if anything, it's unknown to the speaker because they never learned the language, literally the Spirit is giving them utterance, and if the listeners don't speak that language the speaker is literally speaking to God alone.......... thus the necessity of an interpreter, and without an interpreter of course it would be mysteries in the Spirit because it'll be a mystery to everyone listening if they don't speak the language and the "Spirit" is the 1 giving the utterance 💯♥️📖

[@fivebooks8498]

@@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K I know. I posted the verse in my reply and the word unknown isn’t in it. It says no one understands it. That means it’s an unknown tongue. That verse is literally talking about speaking in a tongue that nobody understands. An unknown tongue. Not a known language. Honestly I don’t care because I don’t believe the writing of Paul should’ve been included in the Bible. After defending Paul for the last 11 years since I came to Torah I now believe there are serious problems with Paul that have caused Lawlessness throughout Christianity for 2000 years.

[@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K]

@@fivebooks8498 I know what you mean Paul is beyond hard to understand and a lot of his writings seem like he is teaching against Torah and many christians have twisted his writings and some of the Messiah's words into teaching complete lawlessness and it is a system that basically entraps people with the intention of never letting them out because they buy into lies that they will hold to as truth, I personally don't believe that Paul was ever teaching against Torah he was either teaching against the law of sin and death or teaching against the pharisees and their added laws who didn't even accept Messiah and taught that it is the law that saves you 💯♥️📖

[@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K]

@@fivebooks8498 also the babel that people get dooped into believing is not the biggest problem, but here is the problem that it can bring, a christian can think they have a true spiritual gift from God and thus believe they have the Ruach Ha'Kodesh guiding them and their "words" so when you actually try and teach them truth, they think you are the 1 being in error because the Holy Spirit would of guided them to Truth since that is the/a major role of His 💯♥️📖

[@contexting]

Women as pastors , leading a congregation is the modern question. Where is the answer for this? Women who do this have a feminist agenda, to usurp and prove to be more compassionate, and in most cases a personal agenda. There is much more to unpack here.

[@cryptojihadi265]

That is directly forbidden by Paul when he says, he does NOT permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. Then goes on to explain why, and it has nothing to do with societal norms, but rather the created order and women's inherent weakness. They are easily deceived, and woman was made for the man, not man for the woman. Women ARE the weaker vessel. Contrary to what our feminist culture would have you believe. As such, when women are given power, they tend to abuse it, to give them the advantage, where SOME men, will certainly abuse power, if given access to it, but by and large, men will vote for what's best for the country and their families, while women tend to vote for what's "best" for them. It never ends up being best for them, but it's selfish motives, that end up destroying the nation and family, as we see today. Single women tend to vote for leftist policies and big daddy government. When they get married, they tend to vote more conservative, as now they want the government out of their husband's pockets and business. BUT, once they get divorced, it's right back to voting for bigger government. Now, that the left has completely gone off the rails, women are even MORE overwhelmingly voting left, but the young boys are overwhelmingly voting conservative. The worse the left gets, the more women vote for it, and the fewer men.

[@TheRojavaRevolution]

Amen! :)

[@DeborahE7]

What you said at 10:27 sums it up.

[@giovannicorraliza8552]

Please check and analyse these verses in the bible Revelation 14:12 & 18:23. keep and stay away from PCR test its worrying what people discover on it

[@radicallyrescued7916]

Yes and now with just a little twerking.. I lean Tweaking .. it’s also just great to be gay Les Trans etc etc etc etc .. and preach and teach and pastor and speak out in Jesus’ “ church” .. yes church.. not “ called out assembly “”

[@7of6t74]

Why do you guys use the word Church in most of your teachings? Churches did not exist and you know this. Paul’s letters were sent to the synagogues. It seems to me that continually using the word church reinforces the KJV that these people were Christians going to Church. They were far from that.

[@bosahchuma7781]

You apologists never cease to amaze, during the time before Paul, these passages were taking literally, now that the social norms have changed and women have more rights, you are claiming it shouldn't be taken literally, that doesn't change what those verses say, it's just you you trying to make those verses seem fairer cause women has rights now

[@cryptojihadi265]

Sorry, but nowhere does the Bible teach that a man should put his wife's needs above his own. Yes, he is to provide and protect for her, and that means fighting to the death for her, IF required; but nowhere does it talk about him "dying daily" to her, or laying down his life in some figurative sense. Paul makes it clear, and it's right from Genesis, the wife was made for the husband, to be his helper, not the husband for the wife. The wife is to help the husband achieve his God given mission on this earth. The verse most horribly abused and completely mis-paraphrased is Eph 5:25 where it says Husbands are to LOVE their wives AS Christ also loved the Church and gave Himself up for her. Note the command is to LOVE, NOT "lay down his life for her". IF that were the case, then every husband should figure out some way to literally DIE for his wife as Christ LITERALLY died for the Church to save it. Also Paul could have simply stated, what almost everyone paraphrases the verse to say, "Husbands love your wives by laying down your life for her, just as Christ laid down His life for the Church" Rather it says the husband is to LOVE his wife with THAT kind of love, the kind of love that would LITERALLY lay down their life for another. Jesus, Himself said, "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for a friend." That's ALL Paul is commanding here, LOVE your wife with THE greatest Love, which, yes means you would die for her, IF you had to. Most men already meet that requirement. At the Aurora Theater shooting, a high school boy covered up his GIRLFRIEND with his own body. HE took the bullets, she lived, he died. They were only DATING! It's ingrained in men to fight to the death for their wives, or even girlfriends. Many cases of little boys trying to fight off an abusive partner, whether it's their dad or a stepfather that's trying to hurt the mother. Even though the little child has no chance, they still try, to great personal harm! But how many women are willing to obey the far easier command to submit to their husbands, IN ALL things, AS UNTO THE LORD.

[@larryolsen4422]

Total miss! John Macauthur , does the Bible permit a woman to preach. Is more clear and to the point. You should review your teaching.

[@119Ministries]

Shalom Larry, This teaching is not about whether a woman can preach but rather it is about whether a woman can speak while in church. We hope this clarifies this. Blessings to you and yours...

[@lizadowning628]

As an atheist its so entertaining watching u guys trying to explain ur way out of these pickles. So thank u and keep up the good work.😉

[@theoskeptomai2535]

Women _do_ speak in Church. Why is this being d ou discussed? And what does this topic have to do with the position of atheism?

[@palmtree2939]

Atheists mock their perceived points of the scriptures that they don’t like, spreading atheism.

[@theoskeptomai2535]

@@palmtree2939 And this woukd be ALL atheists, correct?

[@jocarmo]

You left out the reasoning Paul gave, that it was because it was the woman who was deceived in the garden, as well in the law it speaks that woman are to be in submission to their husband's, as the church is to be in submission to Christ. Given all the other scriptures you pointed out, it should be clear that is speaking to a woman being in disagreement with her husband on spiritual and scriptural matters in public, as well as the idea that if a woman has disagreement with another man in the congregation, it is not up to her to bring it up but must discuss it with her husband and let him bring it to the attention of that man or to the congregation itself. It is all set up to reinforce the structures of authority within the Word that have already been made clear, so this should not be seen as difficult or unclear, but seen as a continuation of what has already been given. We must remember while it is obvious that woman can and should serve in a congregation as well as be heard as they are led by God, another clear fact is that authority to lead was not given to them in the same office or position of men, just as the church has been given a place of authority and duty, but is not the same authority as Christ over the church. God blesses and loves us all equally in the name of Jesus, and has given us different roles and authorities so that we might better understand his nature and the nature of creation, as well as showing how these structures give practical guidance and blessings when we follow His ways rather than our own. God bless and keep all who dwell on His Word and follow His steps.

[@sandycandy5939]

Lol...big fail should have never try....

[@sheldonhodgkinson2925]

This lesson is wrong, please read 1st Timothy 2:7-15 for better understanding on this topic!!!

[@richardmason7840]

Sorry my good man I believe Ole Shaul is on a slightly different topic. Remember , 2 Peter 3:13-16. Key words here are" hard to understand". Thanks Enjoy Elohim!

[@fivebooks8498]

@@richardmason7840 Paul is either a heretic or an absolutely horrible teacher. I thought God is not the author of confusion. Of course it was Paul who said that though. In Acts 21 Even the people he was teaching face to face believed he was teaching against the Law of God. I find it hard to believe Yahweh would raise up someone who is so ineffective at teaching. The fruit of Paul's ministry is literally Lawlessness for over 2000 years now. Yeshua said we will know a false prophet by their fruit. This opinion Paul has of women appears in 2 separate letters. It says what he meant it to say. I think it's time to stop defending Paul.

[@BooleansLab]

@@fivebooks8498 paul's not a heretic.

[@BiblersWayCottage]

@@fivebooks8498 the 9th commandment Thou shalt not bear false witness Repent from this for we will all be judged on every word that comes from our mouth... Yeshua spoke in parables to where even His disciples didn’t understand and had to have Yeshua interpret them for them... Mat 13:13 For this reason I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear nor do they understand. Mat 13:14 ”And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, ‘You will keep on hearing but will never understand; you will keep looking, but will never see. Mat 13:15 For the heart of this people has become dull, their ears can barely hear, and they have shut their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts. Then they would turn back, and I would heal them.’ Mat 13:16 “But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.

[@lindalucas4242]

Romans 16

[@timloves3243]

If the whole bible is true why does paul/Saul say its ok to eat things offered to idols and the Messiah states in Revelation that He hate that teaching.. Paul had his own 12 apostles, had 2 names like many other people in the bible do.

[@awuraadams8600]

Corinthians says it’s okay in the context of a market-type place . Only when someone doesn’t know if was sacrificed is it permitted