12 Rules for the Good of the Planet | Bjørn Lomborg | EP 345

Ep. 345
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Bjørn Lomborg go through each of the “doable dozen,” a series of issues that cost relatively little to solve, and yet doing so would yield exponential returns for developing countries and their impoverished citizens.
Bjørn Lomborg is a Danish author, having written numerous books on climate change such as “False Alarm,” “The Skeptical Environmentalist,” and “How to Spend $75 Billion to Make the World a Better Place.” He is the president of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center which focuses on doing the most good for the most people, with increasingly limited budgets. Bjørn's newest book, "Best Things First," is now published and can be found using the link below!
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(2:12) Intro
(6:02) 200 sustainable development goals
(8:03) How to rank order dire needs
(14:08) The most good for your dollar
(17:28) Responsibility to the world
(18:33) Intro to the 12 Solutions: financial cost and what Humanity gains
(20:13) The resistant ethos
(25:51) Where we’re at, how far we’ve come
(27:34) Natural resources
(30:29) A famous bet, Paul Ehrlich
(35:21) Problem One: maternal and newborn health
(39:17) Family planning, low cost hospitals
(40:20) When newborns don’t breath
(42:00) Why it’s not top priority
(43:15) Politicians want visible change
(44:53) For one dollar
(45:43) Setting the agenda
(47:37) Timespan and manpower
(50:34) Needed materials for mothers in the developing world
(51:46) Problems Two and Three: Hunger and Starvation
(52:50) Efficient agriculture
(53:32) Is industrialization the wrong path forward?
(54:58) Improving seeds
(57:42) More mouths fed is more mouths to feed?
(1:03:00) Why isn’t this a “heroic” issue?
(1:05:15) The order is not an insult
(1:06:23) Fixing now in the meantime, vitamins
(1:09:08) The seriousness of being stunted in growth
(1:11:21) Community health and basic education
(1:13:38) Why you can’t just hand out food
(1:14:59) Problem Four: Corruption
(1:15:15) Procurement
(1:16:24) Real working examples
(1:19:05) Problem Five: Education
(1:19:59) Teaching without comprehension
(1:22:58) How to improve teachers and students
(1:25:10) Teach your child to read in 100 easy lessons
(1:27:00) Zone of proximal development
(1:29:10) Technology teaching
(1:36:16) Problem Six: Malaria
(1:38:50) Nicer mosquitos in the West
(1:41:21) Malaria deaths can be reduced by half for a 10 percent increase
(1:45:01) Problem Seven: Chronic Diseases
(1:46:03) Diuretics and streamlined doctors
(1:48:42) Diet and necessary outlook
(1:51:36) Problem Eight: Land Security
(1:52:20) When your farmland is your lifeblood
(1:54:15) Surveys and registration
(1:55:10) Why invest in what you’re not sure you own?
(2:00:24) Problem Nine: Trade
(2:00:53) Why we are so rich, specialization
(2:02:23) Trade accelerates civilization
(2:03:38) Negative impacts
(2:05:24) Why it’s worth endorsing
(2:09:21) Writing out your vision, mitigating displacement
(2:12:08) Problem Ten: Skill Migration
(2:14:00) Why not let everyone move?
(2:16:38) Maximizing productivity, filling the skill gaps
(2:18:19) Problem Eleven: Tuberculosis
(2:20:09) An insane death toll
(2:21:48) 45 percent remain untreated
(2:24:09) Incentivizing treatment
(2:25:39) Eradicating disease, Polio
(2:26:39) Problem Twelve: Childhood Vaccination
(2:31:05) A hunger for transcendent good
(2:33:04) Getting on board
(2:36:08) Spectacle versus practical
(2:40:47) Best Things First - Coming Soon
(2:45:28) If you feel your calling is to make change…
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[@trnstn1]

Bookmarks to each Problem: (18:33) Intro to the 12 Solutions: financial cost and what Humanity gains (35:21) Problem 1: maternal and newborn health (51:46) Problems 2 & 3: Hunger and Starvation (1:14:59) Problem 4: Corruption (1:19:05) Problem 5: Education (1:36:16) Problem 6: Malaria (1:45:01) Problem 7: Chronic Diseases (1:51:36) Problem 8: Land Security (2:00:24) Problem 9: Trade (2:12:08) Problem 10: Skill Migration (2:18:19) Problem 11: Tuberculosis (2:26:39) Problem 12: Childhood Vaccination

[@YashArya01]

Thanks. Just about to start the episode. I'm curious why hunger and starvation are seen as two separate problems even though it's only a matter of degree. Looking forward to finding out.

[@amazingjason455]

Many times, when you hear “experts” talk about your field, you find out that they are off base and don’t really know what they are talking about. These guys are spot on about childhood education.

[@amazingjason455]

Does this hold the same appeal for conservatives and liberals? It should.

[@Krashoan]

@@YashArya01 Don't know if you got through everything, but I think the idea was that it is the division between "taking the long term approach" to increasing food productivity versus "taking the short term approach" to dealing with optimizing the delivery of food right now.

[@YashArya01]

@@Krashoan thanks! I did get through that part but I appreciate you taking the time to summarize it. :)

[@AIShizzle]

The thing that's so respectable about Lomborg is that he actually suggests solutions instead of just complaining about the problems.

[@DallasJonez]

Look at Germany... is that a solution?

[@YashArya01]

​@@DallasJonez sincere question, was Germany following Lomborg's recommendations? I don't think Lomborg has endorsed being anti fossil fuel and nuclear energy.

[@charlesbliss4860]

@@YashArya01no he’s on the opposite of both of the arguments. I’ve seen him advocate for keeping FFs as long as we need them and building Nuclear infrastructure up quickly.

[@CSWRB]

He still wants to take a huge amount of your money.

[@YashArya01]

@@charlesbliss4860 right. I would cite France as a much better example in this regard than Germany.

[@JordanBPeterson]

We can all see that KZbin has placed yet another "context" box in a prime spot under this discussion. The woke ideologues take every opportunity to moralize pathetically and censorially. It's appalling and comical--and, in the current climate, a badge of honor.

[@andyroth619]

I think we're due for a climate change, sir. 😉

[@eminor42]

lol Thanks for a bit of sanity today.

[@darenmiller2218]

I appreciate your work Dr Peterson. Always get excited when I see a notification that you uploaded another discussion. Are you still a professor, or have you moved on from that?

[@samuelgregson5336]

What about AI as a major threat / ‘the’ major threat of our lifetime. Possibly imminent disaster?

[@pianoreigns]

Being a Light for your own loved ones is taking responsibility for growing Light.

[@strongback6550]

Thank you for providing an environmentalist worldview that's not hopelessly pessimistic.

[@karlbutler3351]

The situation is far worse then they say. They are only trying to keep the herd from panicking until the last possible moment. The worsening state of our environment is being radically accelerated by climate engineering programs. Solar geoengineering aka Solar radiation management is contaminating the entire planet. I encourage you to investigate these programs. The documentary "The Dimming" on youtube fully exposes these programs in their entirety.

[@jimbarth9859]

Right? Taking the happy warrior approach on SO MANY issues leaves catastrophists reeling. Especially if you can do it while embracing their own premiss.❤️

[@kenzielove99]

I want to donate to this cause!

[@diarmooc2621]

@@jimbarth9859 he's not an environmentalist

[@jimbarth9859]

@@diarmooc2621 I hope your reliance on labels provide you with a sense of security.

[@judiththymes1532]

Jordan Peterson is a living example of excellence.

[@adampindell]

*the pursuit of excellence. 😉

[@judiththymes1532]

@@adampindell ... that too.

[@staninjapan07]

Indeed he is, though I try (and it is not easy) to refrain from lionizing him.

[@marcelkuiper5474]

​​@Adam Pindell The excellent suit, his style is uniquely inspiring, his way of words is transcendental, life changing , for people who get thrown into the world being programmed as a self loathing insignificant sp3ck of dust, even worse, they bash them they should feel guilty because they can "enjoy" the leisure of a world being , and these kids have to be thankful for getting hooked on addicting machines, then by the age of 20 something they feel like an empty shell living with the pain of existential dread. After wich they get stuffed full with soul wrecking chemicals, it is a total shitshow.. Until get touched by Jesus

[@gd303uk]

whether Jordan Peterson can be considered as excellence is subjective and depends on one's perspective and criteria for excellence. While he may be regarded as excellent in some areas, his views and actions may not be universally admired or accepted

[@kevinwalden4288]

I love how bjorn doesn't let Jordan cut him off. Peterson is one of my favorite people but so often he cuts people off mid sentence

[@Cameron6277]

Yes, you are right, but it is his show and he wants to know how their topic relates to him and his research. If we as listeners what to know more about Jordan’s guest, it’s up to us to take responsibility and got to their page, or support them by reading their, which Jordan always brings up.

[@lindsaydempsey5683]

Two intellectual giants in a balanced respectful discussion of ideas issues and solutions, I love it.

[@1cont]

"Wealth does not mean cocaine and hookers in Vegas"

[@karlbutler3351]

Both of them fail to mention climate engineering the elephant in the sky. Climate engineering programs are the single most immediate threat we collectively face short of a nuclear cataclysm yet both of them are paid not to talk about this. I encourage you to investigate these programs. Watch "The Dimming" on youtube. This docu fully exposes what so many "experts" fail to mention about the state of our planet and climate.

[@Phunckadelik]

Two grifters*

[@1cont]

@@Phunckadelik So, how many books have you written that remain on the NYT best seller's list? Your silence will be the answer. No need to reply.

[@bravothaDtard]

A War of Words and endless paradoxes. It sounds like more hypothetical resolution to me.

[@palmerjackson554]

Thank you SO MUCH for interviewing Bjorn -- he is great. I got a chance to meet him briefly a few years ago. He's a Class Act. Dang, I wish more people would listen to what he is saying!

[@IVY12023]

Not enough money in it.

[@filipsolis5253]

I love this. Just practical, tangible stuff and no dreamy, unrealistic garbage. Right to the point.

[@gd303uk]

What would be considered “ dreamy unrealistic garbage”?

[@sebastianfraczkowski1249]

@@gd303uk Zero CO2 emissions achieved by (among other things) banning air travel unless the plane is electric.

[@therealgreg5653]

@@gd303uk No gas vehicles in 20-30 years. People keep focusing on the end goal and never make a practical method to get there

[@gd303uk]

@@therealgreg5653 in your opinion what is the end goal and what practical methods would you suggest to get to this end goal ?

[@therealgreg5653]

@@gd303uk Reduction in emission as the end goal and practical would be actually allowing technology to takes its natural coarse. The idea of banning all gas vehicles before even first testing the effects making hybrid vehicles standard and affordable. Not to mention the vast bulk of pollution of a vehicle is made in production so do we even know if electric cars are cleaner in the long run? That power comes from somewhere and batteries are wear items not to mention many of the rare metals needed for batteries are also limited.

[@denisegaylord382]

This is the mantra my mom used to say: little thing do matter... Small things build upon themselves, leading to spectacular results. Small good deeds lead to great changes.

[@benstanfill363]

From acorns, mighty oaks grow.

[@arvidsfar1580]

I'm not sure if this was either Bjørn's or Jordan's message. Neither of the 12 approaches are small, nor cheap or easy. Sounds like another romantic fairy tale...

[@denisegaylord382]

@@arvidsfar1580 then you need to relisten to the podcast. In comparison to the changes the the leftist elites want made, the 12 things we can do right now, for very little cost, are far more achievable than the 100+ large scale expenditures that others are promoting. I will ask you this: How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. Not all of it at once. We do not have a crisis in resources or options. It a problem about who gets to decide which things to do, and who gets to suffer while those things get implemented. The elites have no problem avoiding the hardships they want imposed on others. Case in point: California has an issue with electric power production and delivery. This results in major sections of their state shutting down the electric system. These are self inflicted issues. Rather than spending the money to fix these issues, the state imposes orders to not charge your mandated electric vehicle, to not use your heat or air conditioning system, etc. The elites know that this will happen. They buy and have installed a electric generator that runs on fossil fuels, to power their home during the blackouts. They can afford to pay for such things. Those in the lower and middle classes can not afford to do so, therefore they suffer the most during these times. Its not a big financial loss for a rich person to lose a freezer full of food. However, to a poorer family, it may represent a very large portion of their yearly income. So this insistent demand by globalists and elites to "combat climate change" is nothing more than a creation of the narcissistic, Machiavellian, totalitarian, leftist elites. Which if you look at their proportion to the earths population amounts to perhaps, 1 or 2% of the entire worlds population. I don't think they should have the final say on anything when it come to your personal choices.

[@constantinepenguamo4050]

If possible, can chapters be added to this video? Thank you, Jordan. You are truly adding immeasurable value to the world!

[@nicholaslowell2510]

I second this

[@YashArya01]

See the video description for timestamps.

[@Raydan116]

​@@YashArya01it'd probably have chapters if there weren't parentheses around the timestamps

[@benstanfill363]

I LOVE when bjorn comes on. Not only does he bring amazing solutions, but he's just such a chipper guy and I learn so much about how much better off humanity is than it used to be. Such a ray of sunshine and hope in a pretty bleak world at times.

[@vincentsmith8328]

Cometh the hour..Cometh the man!! The times we are now living in desperately needed a man like Jordan Peterson to step forward..and thank god he did!! Get behind him !!

[@vincentsmith8328]

Thank you Jordan Peterson for ... being Jordan Peterson!

[@amazingjason455]

Jordan and Bjorn save the world.

[@tannyschristy8912]

My Canadian Hero. Follow you when possible Mr. Peterson. You are just so Amazing 😊

[@AR7-15]

“ Easy enough for a child, well enough for a scholar.” R.C. Sproll. A favorite theologian of our time, taught this way. Ppl don’t care how much u know, until they know how much u care. Teaching is a calling. Some shouldn’t even be teachers, (those that are “career students,”w low integral, moral character, w no real world experience ).They must know how to work outside, and with the syllabus, to reach. Those that have “God complexes” be aware of. We must meet our kids where they’re at, to lift them up. 🙏🏼Thank u for articulating these thoughts in these studies, while being great thinker of our time. I’ve come to find out the more I study scripture, Old and New testaments, the more I understand myself. Know God, be purposed. Praying for u, ur family , ministry , vocation, and all who work w u. Let he who seeks Truth, find it. ✌🏼💯

[@787Speedbrakes]

The interview I’ve been waiting for! Bjorn’s book False Alarm is a great and interesting read.

[@gd303uk]

Why do you consider Bjorn’s book as great ?

[@lasse4416]

Nice to see them in a face to face discussion 😊

[@timothyschardt6672]

Awesome conversation. This is a reflection of the way we are heading. I'm hopeful.

[@karlbutler3351]

Unfortunately they are both paid not to talk about the accelerating ecological collapse, but rather obfuscate the truth until it is to obvious too hide. Climate engineering operations known as geoengineering aka Solar Radiation Management, in the effort to hide/mitigate the overall warming of the planet is making a bad situation even worse. I encourage you to investigate climate engineering programs. The docu "The Dimming" on youtube exposes these programs and the devestation they are causing in their entirety.

[@lesasmith4692]

I hope so! ❤

[@hypatia3068]

Lomborg´s reasoning is so uplifting, thanks for this conversation.

[@robertoneal7508]

Beyond being a great topic discussion, it's a great case example of how to approach a problem. A step by step guide from analysis to solutions, pattern recognition of similar effects, ranking and economics of each. Well done, such a refreshing take as opposed to fear, moralizing, etc.

[@daveburmeister9921]

😊😊

[@daveburmeister9921]

😊😊😊😊😊

[@kylehandschin5117]

I remember hearing almost the same conversation years ago when JBP interviewed Lomborg previously...and as far as I can tell, we haven't made a single step in the right direction yet.

[@outofcompliance1639]

The right direction is to drop the phony "climate change" narrative. It is fake just like everything else being pushed by the left and the globalists.

[@hanswurscht6625]

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty certain Lomborgs Mission got alot more traction since Peterson leveraged it. Besides, its only been 3-4 years. These things take time.

[@outofcompliance1639]

@@hanswurscht6625 I read Lomborg's book "Cool It" 15 years ago. He's mission is not getting anywhere because the alarmists who are pushing the climate change narrative don't want reasonable measures as that undermines the scam.

[@amarissimus29]

We're busy pushing unnecessary covid shots on third world countries, pretty much assuring that they'll reject western aid even more than before. Many steps have been taken - in the wrong direction. Mosquito nets are excellent cassava bags though. So there's that.

[@SymphonicEllen]

@@hanswurscht6625 it's kind of by area and you won't hear it reported because the MSM is full on Doomsday climate change. It is getting worse for farmers cause of regulations that really don't do anything but put small farms out of business, but as far as over all, like people understanding, lots more get it now.

[@francislussier165]

Finally something that we CAN DO thanks for this!

[@helenachase5627]

I have a grade 8 education and I've always held the thought that there is money and opportunity all around to go out and access. It's nice to hear people talk in a more progressive way. Truely progressive, not nonsense !

[@annabell3385]

There's a book called "A Fine Balance" which is fiction based on facts about India. It was written by someone who grew up there if I remember right. When squatters got together and began planting things where they were squatting as soon as they weren't quite starving the authorities came along and trashed their little farm. It's not that people do not want to grow food, they are not allowed to. These people weren't concerned with ownership, they wanted to feed their kids and not starve. The suggestion that making one person own the land being squatted on would make the land more productive might be true, or it (more likely, imo) means that the squatters will be kicked off and someone else, a gangster or someone with a little money, will just take over the area because they have a better chance of establishing ownership in court. What will stop that from happening? What about all the Americans who can't have a little garden because they are forced to rent and it's becoming more and more slumlords, absentee landlords, and rich people letting management companies run their complexes while letting them run down because they skimp on the investments that are sometimes just for money laundering, anyway. Americans who rent are nearly as insecure as people in third world countries, but why own when interest rates can go up so high your house can be snatched from you even after you pay for decades. Not to mention that they can be outright stolen as happened in the first ten years of this century. Corruption needs to be addressed. How will any of these things work if it isn't?

[@annabell3385]

@@antonyjh1234 That's outrageous. I'm not surprised, though. When I look at homes I never look at condos or places with HOA's because I don't want to be micromanaged. May as well just rent if you have no freedom.

[@sarahdriesmans]

Really interesting points and one I've been thinking a lot about with the farmers protest, and land being continuously put into the hands of big corporations (the same goes for houses being bought up by corps like Black Rock etc plus rising prices leading to less people being able to afford homes). I believe food sovereignty is a big piece of the puzzle that should be addressed and instated as a human right - it's such a key way to connecting with the earth, our communities and our bodies. However it's a threat to the established food systems - which will do anything to keep us fully dependent and happy to sell our land. Sure - it's hard or impossible to be fully self-sufficient in America today, but its a worthy battle to vote for community gardens and personal power of growing food.

[@vikingrogaland2844]

It is so nice to see that there are smart people who are able to put 2 and 2 together, and make this world a much better place for all of us. And thanks to the Internet, they are now able to share those insights on a global scale.

[@jesperburns]

@@jerrygreene1493 Plenty of solutions mentioned to actual, real problems today. Not so much future problems.

[@the2ndcoming135]

“In other words it’s a death grip.”🏹

[@stephenhughes5156]

​@@jerrygreene1493He never said anything about a solution. But yeh this whole video is about solutions to 12 specific problems. I'm assuming you didn't watch the video, but what else do you think they talked about for 3 hours? 😂

[@stephenhughes5156]

@@jerrygreene1493 Is English not your first language, because you're kind of all over the place with your statements lol. Are you referring to Lomborg or Peterson? It sounds like you are talking about Peterson, and I'm not sure why because it is Lomborg that is offering the solutions here. Yes it is Lomborgs theory that making the developing world as rich as possible as fast as possible would probably be the most effective way to address climate change while avoiding the consequences of the more idiotic and overly- ambitious policies that are being proposed. He explains this well in his book. So I don't agree that any of those things are wrong. I also wouldnt call Jordan a Putin apologist either, he just acknowledges that the West/NATO is as much to blame for the war, and if you do your research you will find that he is not wrong on that.

[@stephenhughes5156]

@@jerrygreene1493 You're wrong. Poor people don't care about the environment because they are just trying to survive. Its only once your basic necessities are taken care of that it becomes an issue worth dealing with. Poor people typically burn wood or dung which is a way dirtier fuel source. After that comes coal. Then oil. Then natural gas. Then renewables/nuclear. Essentially the less polluting it is, then less cheap it is. See how that works. Countries like China pollute far more per capita than places like North America and Europe. Even if a country getting richer makes them pollute more to begin with, again, they will tend to care more about things like climate change in the long- run. If you read the book it will explain it way better than I can. In any case, I'm pretty sure Bjorn is a lot more educated on the topic that you are, so many have a bit of humility because you might learn something. Saying 'if I was Putin' doesn't mean he agrees with him. It's called putting yourself in someone's shoes. And he is absolutely right about that. Btw try reading 'How the West Brought the War to Ukraine'. Its a very short book, it seems like you haven't even considered that there might be another side to the story. Do you REALLY think Putin invaded for 'imperial' reasons? Come on bro. As for overpopulation. Well I'm not even gunna start on the immorality and hypocrisy of suggesting there's too many people on the planet. But people have been saying that for a long time. They said that if we reached 4 billion everyone would starve. Didn't happen. Just like all the False Apocalyptic climate change predictions. There's also the famous between Simon and Ehrlich where one bet the other that we would run out of oil (and other major resources). That's because they don't take into account technological innovation like being able to access more resources, being able to grow more food per acre etc. And having more people on the planet means more geniuses that can innovate. Besides, the population will supposedly peak at 10 billion. As nations become prosperous, the birthrate tends to decrease (for a number of reasons). It is certainly taking place in the developed world, and it is a trend that will take place when developing countries become developed (if anti- humanists like you will let them get there). Supposedly (as Musk says) our problem will eventually be NOT enough people. Specifically, as a recent documentary called Birthgap explores, not enough YOUNG people to take care of an aging population. As for the fish, I don't know much about it tbh. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you can overfish to the point that the fish can't reproduce at a high enough rate to keep up with it. And I suppose there is a host of knock on effects that come with draining the ocen of life. Pick 1 that is a solution? Again, they are all solutions. Not to climate change. But that's the thing, rather than wasting money inefficiently due to the False idea that we are facing an imminent apocalypse, we could be using that money to ACTUALLY do good in the world. Of course, you don't care about these problems because they don't affect YOU (where as climate change supposedly will).

[@marcelkuiper5474]

The loving voice of hope and care instead or nihilistic fatalism. I love this man.

[@robyncohen8542]

Me too. Hope, not despair

[@johnla7968]

Thank you Dr. Peterson 🙏

[@jamesberg6461]

Incredible work Bjorn! And practical! Let’s Do This !

[@shanellehill9770]

I would love to see a conversation between Bjorn Lomborg and Vandana Shiva. I am sure Jordan could make it happen!

[@ssp4795]

Does Bjorn work for Bill Gates? Vandana Shiva does not like Bill Gates............... so not sure how that convo would go.

[@beidero]

This is probably the best talk I have seen on this channel. Often I feel like Peterson run over his guests, but in this episode the guest is so interesting and so captivating that all Peterson does is provide the obvious counter points and it really works. Really loved this episode, I hope we can see more of this in the future.

[@valeriecalder1273]

This conversation is so inspiring, he appears to have amazing skills of organisation. Imagine if this was harnessed for good it would be so great. I pray it might happen so this madness stops. Thank you both. God bless you in your endeavours. From UK

[@trentonarney6066]

I've joked with my family thar if I was the US president this guy would be my EPA pick.

[@davidmoore8011]

I'm a guy that lost a lot part of my life to many issues including opiate addiction formed in part from undigagnosed Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. But during my 8 years in prison I dove into the humanities but especially the Russians. Became enraptured with Dostoyevsky and donated many of his books to the prison libary. Same with Solzhenitsyn, Bulgokav etc etc.The Russians have done amazing work in literature. But on another front I apsolutely love your work and especially how modern men precieve themselves. I clawed myself out of the post addiction/incarceration issue to be a computer programmer working in market reseach, and I've noticed we are getting a ton of studies with the goal to find the state of men in the US. And the data is back and its very unsettling. I wish they taught what you speak at schools. I share your videos with those I love. Absolutely appreciate your eloquency and brilliance.

[@WCGOLD27NZ]

Loved this conversation and really respect both of these men. Great to see them together. Inspiring to know that these good people are doing so much work to solve global problems.

[@fabian116]

Finally listening to smart people finding realistic actions to solve global problems effectively!! Put first things first!! Humans are first!!

[@kaustabhkalita2476]

Jordan, you didnt have to make the intro that emotionally charged, i was in tears 5 seconds after clicking on the video. I know you have been saying this for some time on this level, but as someone who never felt the need for a father figure to invigorate me, you really catch me off-guard at times. The internet has given me a grandfather in milton friedman, whose endearing, undaunting and calm attitude to life gave me courage and the the zeal to emulate that level of rigorous intellectual honesty, a suave father in william f buckley whose composure and willingness to engage with other people all the while maintaining unparalled civility and cheekiness, except that one time with gore vidal, and boy did he learn a lesson there, but i digress, gave me the opportunity to actually fear someone intellectually, because that guy is on another level. i have a feeling both of these individuals, may have influenced you a lot too, so thank you for continuing their legacy and giving the young ones hope

[@amazingjason455]

If we actually solve problems, what will politicians use to get elected?

[@tinamurphy3572]

😂

[@lasse4416]

I doubt we will run out of problems 😊

[@JohnSmith-ti2kp]

Yep, you are perceptive.

[@iwantmynameback5999]

More problems

[@wintensity]

What they have always done, cause more problems themselves.

[@catharine4516]

The only way you can reduce corruption is to keep these endeavours out of the hands of government.

[@amazingjason455]

Please provide some acknowledgement of who’s money we are spending on these projects.

[@IHGChick]

If you don't know whose money we are spending you are not living on this planet. I would rather we spend our money on this than woke alphabet tyranny and "reparations" to those who were never slaved from. Those who never owned slaves. Liste to Dr. Peterson's comments on slavery in the world sometime.

[@JohnSmith-ti2kp]

YOURS.

[@CSWRB]

Exactly! This is just more government control and more taxes. It NEVER works like they claim it will. More taxing lower and middle class and rich to give to the poor through government spending. I can’t believe people don’t see this.

[@amazingjason455]

@@JohnSmith-ti2kp I appreciate Peterson's consideration of this issue and his preference for crowdsourcing (voluntary charity) rather than taxing.

[@joanig.7145]

He said at 2:43:00 that the Gates Foundation is funding his research. Not surprising, considering he is advocating for GMO grains and more vaccines.

[@elliek5350]

Brilliant, brilliant conversation! Can't wait to get this book!

[@plantparadisechallenge]

Let’s plant paradise everywhere, gardens of food, medicine, fuel, building materials. Food purity are food security created when we produce abundance. This gives independence, real freedom from toxic consumerism. All with delicious, nutritious beauty. Let’s plant paradise everywhere!

[@tinamurphy3572]

Everyone can do that where they are. I keep trying to encourage people in my area to landscape their yards with edible plants.

[@JohnSmith-ti2kp]

@@tinamurphy3572 I am sure they appreciate your concern for THEIR lifestyle choices.

[@plantparadisechallenge]

@@tinamurphy3572 yes, this is the way of love!

[@plantparadisechallenge]

@@JohnSmith-ti2kp she’s inviting friends to love one another in the best way they can, a call to perhaps there highest being, real friends challenge each other!

[@JohnSmith-ti2kp]

@@plantparadisechallenge That is not challenging it is bullying, the same as vegans trying to make everyone else adhere to their choices.

[@indigogogo5444]

About the "green revolution" : "Few people at the time considered the profound social and ecological changes that the revolution heralded among peasant farmers. The long-term cost of depending on Borlaug's new varieties was reduced soil fertility, reduced genetic diversity, soil erosion and increased vulnerability to pests. Not only did Borlaug's 'high-yielding' seeds demand expensive fertilisers, they also needed more water. Both were in short supply, and the revolution in plant breeding was said to have led to rural impoverishment, increased debt, social inequality and the displacement of vast numbers of peasant farmers," Vandana Shiva, India

[@jordanellis2603]

Dr. Peterson, there is no way that I can ever repay you for the way that you changed my life, but nevertheless I will do my best anyway. When I was 15, I was abducted by Greys and taken to an undisclosed location that I suspect was actually the basement of the University of Toronto. For several days I was experimented on, and I knew that I would not survive. Miraculously, on the third day, my captives heard you delivering a lecture on the lion king from the hall above. After realizing that the real monster was in fact the beast that lurks within, they realized their wrong ways and released me. You changed my life, thank you

[@user-oc8wl2mh9s]

3 hours of two of my favorite people in this world? YES SIR!

[@robertjuniordorval9982]

This is a incredible episode! Congratulations, I can’t wait to read this book!

[@robertjuniordorval9982]

@@WhatAppMe-er7xn Thank you so much for all you do! You are an inspiration and an example to follow for all those who want to become the best version of themselves.

[@ianarcher6040]

Largely, I suspect, due to Jordan returning time and time again to interviewing Bjorn to help him explain his powerful/practical message(s)/solutions, I'm glad to see him cropping up more and more on a variety of platforms to get these things across in the face of so many, in my opinion, harmful 'Globalist' ideas and their agenda as a whole - which doesn't seem to allow for criticism or debate, etc. Many thanks to both of you. Arch

[@DeVill3007]

@JordanBPeterson , YOU HAVE HELPED ME SO SO MUCH!!! LOVE YOU. ✝️❤❤❤❤❤🥂

[@iantpls]

Wow. This is about solutions not tyranny. Fantastic.

[@crashbandit7270]

Thanks Jordan for changing lives! Keep going, God has a special place for you!

[@mpultimate]

All hail the Gran Lobster! 😂❤

[@xivix6710]

Went here after seeing yoy recommended Bjorn, veey intresting person, hope his ideas are adopted worldwide!

[@8irishpotatokids]

You are loved and needed 💚

[@johnowens5342]

Second :)Jordan I would love to hear you interview Geoff Lawton on greening the desert and Permaculture. one of your goals is in lifting people out of poverty they will become environmentally conscience, permaculture would provide an optimal framework for that to happen. You would also be uniting left and right through advancement in multiple positive fronts.

[@ravimorey]

I am a great fan of Bjorn Lomborg. I think his list of doable projects with realistic goals is an excellent one. I must point out that almost all of the developing nations are making considerable progress in reaching these goals. In fact, they are making much faster progress than the developed nations.

[@mccm4497]

The more I listen, the more I feel like the real change needs to be on the moral front

[@lloydjones3371]

If Bjorn Lomborg has a foundation that carries out some of his 12 proposals, I will contribute.

[@zuneluminox]

Thanks to the Danes for a practical outlook on life!

[@Soteb1]

'Tis good to see the UN making sure we know their definition of Climate Change.

[@annabell3385]

I see the UN just fading away into oblivion. God willing.

[@greencoder1594]

A *clear audio signal suggests importance* of what is said over noise, as SNR definitively has a psychological component to it. Conversations of importance deserve to be *recorded by a high quality audio setup,* allowing them to be understood *clearly* and without the mental strain from having to filter distracting noise.

[@JDSA926]

Let’s just take a moment to appreciate that most of us have the availability, the tools, the infrastructure to watch this, without the necessity to leave our homes, FOR FREE. This is top notch content.

[@dustinwalker6331]

A good episode and good dialogue 👍💯

[@nailsdeb]

Thank you 🙏 brothers ❤. So badly needed this. Hope 😢

[@joevrenthlei]

This is a potentially world-changing discussion! Thank you Dr. Peterson❤

[@wiseowl179]

Personally, from the way things are going in this world, I would be putting ‘Corruption’ as the #1 priority to be dealing with first. Clean that up and everything else will fall into place of its own accord.

[@Freedomsterfire]

I’ve signed up to buy the book when it launches. Maybe the entry point to making a positive impact along one of these 12 goals is unattainable to the average person - or even community, but maybe one of those maternity clinics could be built in a concerted effort and if so that would cause significantly more benefit than mere donations of consumable goods.

[@petermerchant]

Fabulous stuff. Jordan, you mention crowd-funding. But the charities exist already I'm sure that are dedicated to the solutions. I would humbly suggest Bjorn, that you please have your team add here the list of the best (and least corrupt) charities that are involved in executing the solutions for these, to facilitate the listeners' ability to donate to a charity that purchases and distributes malarial mosquito nets. Or set up one charity to execute on all the solutions, and people can contribute and earmark their donations. Just a suggestion!

[@anjou6497]

What can be so infuriating about Crowd-funding is it can't always be trusted. Sometimes for good reason. 🌱

[@tuppybrill4915]

An excellent suggestion and effective charities are those that bypass government (with all the inherent corruption) and work through local trusted groups.

[@Maria-pl1bh]

Bill & Melinda Gates foundation 😳 that was enough for me to start understanding where this person is truly coming from. I wonder what he thinks about c19 mandates and all the rotten behind Bill Gates😳Good you did not ask but the answer is surely obvious to me. Dr Peterson, you are the best.There is always a reason why ppl choose any paths in their lives and it all derived from childhood. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@jeffgardner2773]

Please do a reaction video. “Hi Ren”. About mental health. Makes me cry every time. A true work of art

[@benn125m]

Is really inspiring that we can hear positive narrative for our and the future of those who will come afterwards 🙏 Jordan B. Peterson, thank you for your work, for telling the truth the ugly and the bad ,but also for all the good . God bless you.

[@carolspencer6915]

Good evening Jordan and Bjorn Hopeful I will source a hand to begin work on 'my 95%' issue sometime soon. Ideas and imagination at the ready! Thankyou both for your shared works. 💜

[@CheeseSteakJimi]

To ChatGPT: Positively summarize Jordan Peterson in a single sentence. Response: Jordan B. Peterson is a renowned speaker, author, and clinical psychologist who has inspired countless individuals to take responsibility for their lives, develop their character, and strive for personal growth.

[@peterfrance702]

Negatively summarise Peterson: "Jordan Peterson has been criticized for promoting harmful and regressive ideas about gender, race, and society."

[@tbone1212]

@@peterfrance702 If AI said that ,no doubt it was a prompt from real people..

[@andrewdavis3575]

Love this conversation and the solutions presented. Hopefully they are utilized one day.

[@BeautifuluglyDTES]

One of the many things that brought Dr.Peterson to my attention is how passionate he is in his beliefs.I think weather you agree with Jordan or not,you cannot deny his utter devotion and dedication to his ethics and morals. If someone is or was looking for a role model,you could do much in life by taking a few pointers from him. Take care be safe

[@euStiuMaiBine]

Smart people should have support! Great job guys!

[@Darko-ig3jt]

One thing I don't hear anyone talk about is how much food goes to waste or is just useless to begin with (junk food). The reason I mention this is because it shows how unproductive much of the food production is, people are starving but there actually seems to be an excess of materials. We're too efficient, instead of being purposeful.

[@amazingjason455]

If you want to see food wasted, go to a school cafeteria.

[@annabell3385]

The junk they sell people to eat is like legal drugs. I noticed when I give my cat a "treat" food he goes nuts unlike how he acts with any other food. I wonder what is in the treats, and realize that's how they make our chemtreats, too.

[@Darko-ig3jt]

​@@annabell3385 You're %100 right. Why does 1 chicken nugget have like 70 ingredients in it, none of which being chicken...it's crazy

[@Darko-ig3jt]

@@amazingjason455 True, or work in a restaurant.

[@Gospelofjesuschrist7]

You saved my horrible life in a saint life and that’s worth everything for me and everyone that know me! Don’t have any words for you because you are a man of wisdom and a man who god has blessed to heal people thank you 🙏

[@saemel]

great talk. lomborgs work is so important. not many try to bring practical and possible solutions. thank you

[@sparrowt4082]

Only one Way. ❤ "Then word came to the king of Nineveh; and he arose from his throne and laid aside his robe, covered himself with sackcloth and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published throughout Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; do not let them eat, or drink water. But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily to God; yes, let every one turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his hands. Who can tell if God will turn and relent, and turn away from His fierce anger, so that we may not perish? Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it." -- John 3:6-10 NKJV

[@Shane.Lambert]

Great interview, BUT... can we start talking to people who disagree with you? That I believe would have great utility in moving this issue forward!

[@formulaic78]

Precisely. George Monbiot is a fierce critic of Lomborg and would certainly be willing to debate Peterson on this.

[@ricardolarsen4171]

Two of the best people together

[@giancarlosp7]

Dr. Peterson is very funny through out this podcast. Fully enjoyed it. Thanks. 😎

[@jimgu2578]

Great guest. Look forward to hearing what you two have to say about this topic.

[@catharine4516]

Please don’t get Bill Gates involved in anything to help solve the world’s problems. Why not, generate a donation fund for the people of the world to contribute to and begin the projects when the money is raised. People of the world would contribute to helping the poor if they were certain the money would be ethically and efficiently spent. Put the power back in to the hands of the average person instead the hands of a few.

[@marr.1658]

Totally agree to not having Bill Gates, I will take Elon Musk with a grain of salt. Also add WHO -for mother and child mortalities, and GABY -for child vaccination , in your not-to-include list!

[@naoufal450]

Suggesting that skilled workers should move to richer nations so that their poor home nations benefit from remittances is just ridiculous... I'm surprised that anyone at this level thinks it would be good in the long run for poor nations, very short-sighted.

[@joelsterling3735]

All we're missing is young Jamie Googeling everything and telling him he's wrong. Lol

[@theblackspark2644]

Because you know... Google is always right.

[@MJ-ix7wm]

# one.... Listen to Dr. Peterson.

[@ashabrewer9960]

This is a breath of fresh air. Thank you.

[@KariMelander]

This should be mandatory watching for politicians all over the world.

[@ranaky9416]

He sounds like an old Tom Scott. Makes him nice to listen to

[@nadie2795]

The job of a politician is to create a problem that promise they can fix, while only scooping up campaign contributions. Then, once elected, start over again. Nothing gets solved, it only gets worse.

[@jeromedenis100]

Great job, both of you!

[@TugaInUk]

Once again, an amazing interview with a real view of how issues should be analysed when our governments invest our hard earned taxes

[@amotkram99]

1:31:00 Kids having the tablet to learn in the "zone of proximal development". The tablet should be developed for the teacher as well. To teach the teacher how to assess the kids and teach in the "zone of proximal development" for a given kid. Then the teachers have the path to attaining the same ability of the tablet. Imagine an environment where kids see that the teacher is actually a student too, and how that realization would dramatically change the nature of the kid and teacher. The relationship would drift away from authoritarian towards collaborative.

[@amotkram99]

"proximal development" - There it is again! The same pattern Jordan has illustrated as one foot in order and one foot in chaos to map order (meaning) into chaos. In this case as applied to learning, the parts of the pattern are relabeled... order = what you understand. chaos = what you don't. proximal = one foot in each. development = order derived from chaos. using your current understanding to step into your unknown so that you may understand it.

[@johnhilderbrand9204]

You have to keep an eye on the educators of our youth... I had to go to my sons school to defend him giving the correct answer on a test, but being marked off. The question, what is the largest desert in the world? Real answer- antarctica... i had to go to the principle of the school to get the negetive mark off, he is a 4.0 student... what blew my mind is is i had to explain to all involved that a desert is defined by precip not temp🤯 i finally just said be specific if you want a specific answer maybe specific such as "what is the largest neo tropical desert in the world?" Lesson is be mindful of the uneducated educators🤣🤣🤣 The teacher being a student as well reminded me of this situation and i just thought to share...

[@carloseduardo1969]

"This video is not only informative but also hopeful. There is no reason to live in fear caused by mass manipulation through the anxiety of the false theory of climate change

[@dimitrispavlakis2590]

That into, in its simplicity, those 25 seconds, contain more motivational instructions and with fervent passion than tons of "how-to-life courses". Once again, the good professor delivers on life.

[@ammonite400]

Incredible interview. I’m going to buy Lomberg’s book for sure

[@thatguybrooke]

I love this one 😅 🍿

[@Litboy_skiddit]

I think the key is that this “rush to fix everything” can easily kill the poor is something to bring away so don’t be so quick to change everything on your specific moral framework

[@clagos247]

Should definitely do these things. Also , we should be vigilantly aware of the potential oedipal ramifications of the action. Also, we need to be aware of what may be lost in the action.

[@bagel2294]

Some of the best three hours I've ever spent!

[@tsubion8820]

You need to get out more!

[@sorinalexandruhorlea]

Replace the stupid number 12 with earlier specialization in schools. Discover talents and vocations as early as possible and insist on those, reducing all the clutter of learning things that are mostly forgotten by the most people later on in life. That'd be a 1/1000 investment. It'll literally save the planet.