1219 20th September 1972

[@awgroom]

Jerry was a lovely character. Compassionate and understated.

[@murphy9039]

Yes, Ray didn't deserve him as a friend.

[@amz0707]

I think he’s a big dull bore.

[@gardenroom65]

He died at 33, 🤯🧚‍♀️🌞🌻

[@bibakroll8999]

I was never a fan.

[@damiencrowley2506]

I thought he was worse than a woman tbh

[@junesymonds8340]

Wonderful and such entertaining episodes, real precious gems. Thanks for downloading them.

[@glamdolly30]

Elsie is always so glamorous. I love that Pat Phoenix dressed exactly how she wanted to dress, ie like a star - not how an ordinary, working class northern mother on a low budget would dress at all! The producers constantly had battles with her to tone down the glamour, the smart suits, high heels and big hair, but Pat refused to budge. In 1976 she had been out of the show a few years (she left around 1973 with co-star Alan Browning, who she had married off-screen as well as on), the marriage had failed and she wasn't being offered any great TV roles. So Pat wrote to the newly appointed producer Bill Podmore, asking if she could return as Elsie. He arranged to meet her and her agent for lunch at the posh Midland Hotel in Manchester to discuss it. Though he knew Elsie's return would be a big draw for viewers, he had reservations. Pat's sometimes starry behaviour had made her some enemies among the cast and he feared bringing her back could put some actors' noses out of joint (it's said Pat and Barbara Knox aka Rita didn't get on, on or off camera, nor were she and Jean Alexander/Hilda Ogden best buddies!) Then there was the age old problem of Elsie's over the top glamorous outfits. Bill told Pat she could return to the show on one, strict condition - that she stopped looking like she'd just walked out of a posh hair salon, wearing clothes more suited to Liz Taylor (that she had bought herself), and got used to the dowdier attire and hairdo provided for Elsie by the Granada wardrobe and make up department. Desperate to return to her starring role on the cobbles, Pat agreed. On Day One back on the Corrie set, Pat knew Bill would not be present for her first scene, in which she had to walk down the street carrying a suitcase and knock on Len Fairclough's front door (he agreed to put her up after her marriage to Alan and her life in Newcastle crashed and burned). Guess what? Elsie appears round the corner, suitcase in hand, and sashays down the street wearing a tightly belted designer mac that would have cost Elsie a year's salary, with beautifully coiffed, big hair and high heels. Glamorous Elsie was back! After the scene was filmed, a wardrobe girl teased her that Bill would be furious when he saw the footage of her all dolled up in her finest. Pat replied that it would be too late for him to do anything about it by then, because by that time she'd have filmed many scenes smartly dressed, and Bill couldn't afford to have them all re-shot! The die was cast! Smart lady - I doubt many men got one over on her. And I think she was right to keep Elsie glamorous, it was a big part of her personality. No matter how bad life got, Elsie would put on her best clothes, lipstick and heels, order a large gin, light a fag and come out fighting!

[@mikehudson8884]

I totally agree, I am glad they kept it in. The character Elsie WOULD have been this way, she would have moved heaven and earth to keep up the look. In my opinion this is so true to a person such as the Elsie character... Very eloquent and concise comment.

[@SkyeandsSummer]

Elsie would always be glamourus would not have been the same any other way just got to love Elsie 👠👗👜🍧🥂

[@SUPER_WOLFMOON]

I'm not at all fond of the lounge lizard singer/swinger Rita either. Seems that Ms. Pheonix not only had great taste in clothes but also in people! I'm sure this producer would have her dressed up like Betty from the bar if he could and what fun would that have been. Especially if he wants her to keep her edge.

[@mooniemuk]

glamdolly20 as the son of a Salford working class woman. I totally agree. My mum always looked a million dollars. It wasn’t just what she wore it’s the way she wore it. She would buy clothes off Salford market but wear it like it was a Chanel. Her hair always perfect. So Pat Phoenix was much more in tune with that type of Salford woman than Bill Podmore. There was indeed plenty of Hildas or Bettys who wore comfort or hair nets or scarves. So too there were plenty of Bets who never quite got it right. But there was also as Pat Phoenix so beautifully showed working class women who just had style and knew what to wear and how to wear it

[@annoldham3018]

So she didn't get on with Rita? That doesn't surprise me. I read somewhere that she didn't get on too well with Hilda either but that was political differences. Nor did she get on well with Irma and there's a rumour that irma left because of Pat Phoenix. All those redheads. 🤩🦰🦰🦰

[@nosmoking4933]

Such a huge difference in the way Stan was here and how he was in the late 80s

[@bushybeard1135]

Yep. Massive difference. By the late 80's he had been dead a few year.

[@amyishere67]

Welk Mid 80s anyway

[@chickapey]

he died in 84 so I'd say that's a difference lol

[@maureengillies9495]

Alf looks like peter kay

[@chrismanning675]

Alf looks like Bryan Mosley.

[@connielincoln8681]

Ty so much for uploading these episodes great fan from nz here 💓

[@woohooboy]

By the early 70's it was becoming clear that the producers were at a loss with regards to the character of Lucille Hewitt. Her role in the series was being diminished because she served no real purpose being there anymore. Once Lucille became an adult, her primary function of being cared for and looked after was now gone. During the early years, she was the only regular child character on "Corrie". As an adult, it was clear the writers were struggling to have her adapt to the show. Consequently Lucille is just there with little to do. Jennifer Moss's personal problems off screen were becoming evident during this time (perhaps in part from her lack of storylines on the show) and it would ultimately see her being fired from the series.

[@lbyrne74]

Just looked her up there on Wiki. My goodness she had a very dramatic and tragedy-filled life.

[@ohuntermc9321]

She did start appearing less and less in the last couple years she was in the show indeed, and I think that was mainly due to the fact she had a baby to attend to, and also her drinking had started to take a toll and reached its culmination in 1974 when she dismissed rather suddenly.

[@michaeldoolan7864]

Pity she was dismissed

[@rogertemple7193]

"This is why the early days were great they mixed drama and comedy and they didn't keep storylines going on & on for years, most during this time usually lasted from limited 10 to 15 parts before starting over with another limited storyline, unlike american soaps Coronation Street was more or less a comedy drama with limited continuing stories."-🤔📻. 🌐🛂🛃🌐.

[@SUPER_WOLFMOON]

I totally agree. The way they had equal part comedy with everyday life jobs etc with an equal part serious drama. In the begining it was probably less serious drama than the rest, which was interesting and fun to watch! With too much drama they have to start getting further and further from reality and therefore one day you are watching Fonzi jump the shark or Elsie Tanner being possessed by the devil. Or even Steve coming back from the dead with no memory and finding out that the government had faked his death and turned him into some Manchurian candidate. That would be a bit too much imho!

[@glamdolly30]

No comparison between US and UK TV soaps - they have always been totally different genres.

[@SUPER_WOLFMOON]

I love how sassy Elsie looks in the thumbnail!

[@Tim_Mannion]

She were right sassy were our Elsie. One of the best characters ever in Corrie.

[@glamdolly30]

Doesn't she just - I LOVE Elsie, she was all woman, and totally unforgettable. I hope we will see more strong, sassy women characters like that in TV dramas in future. Sadly those fabulous females seem to have vanished from TV screens over the years since Elsie left 'Coronation Street'. Yet I know they exist in real life. My grannies and aunties were very much like Elsie, they faced each day with lipstick and courage, and were fierce in defending themselves and those they loved against injustice. Why aren't writers putting these women on screen any more???

[@jdb7752]

vera Duckworth in this episode as an extra

[@scottranger8909]

In the scene with the donkey is that Liz Dawn in the blue coat

[@darganx]

Possibly - around this same time Ivy Tilsley shows up at Emily Bishop's wedding!

[@jdb7752]

yes it is my friend

[@glamdolly30]

Well spotted!

[@wendynadin3685]

Either that is just water in that teapot or its very weak tea

[@IainLucey1972]

Just seen that, tea bag shortage ? Lol😂

[@laurajones8526]

poor Jerry always seems to be in awkward situations

[@carolineg1872]

Poor Dolores 🐎

[@michealbrett1983]

10/10

[@kevanhubbard9673]

That tea came out the tea pot like water.

[@manteadodude]

I'd swear that's Liz Dawn in blue coat as a pre Vera extra at 7:39 ???

[@dlamiss]

it is well spotted

[@swaggerjagg22]

It is Liz Dawn!

[@annoldham3018]

Yes!🥰

[@LeFouGallois]

Well spotted ;)

[@jdb7752]

yes it was I noticed too

[@markhpluygers2226]

Funny, that was exactly my same thought! Water! I mean I come from Leeds, the tea has to mash

[@jdb7752]

hahahaha! leeds lad here too I agree it looked like witches piss...

[@RosemaryAnna-rb5ib]

What has been done with pat phoenix possessions

[@alexanderjones9572]

Tommy talking about “Me’ good friend Dirty.” 😂😂😂

[@chrismanning675]

I wonder how much furniture could have fit inside those smaller than small houses.

[@JAY-lo3sx]

Can anyone tell me the guy playing Billy Walker was he the same guy that played Tom King in Emmerdale the father of the 4 king lads.

[@alexanderjones9572]

Yes-Ken Farrington.

[@darganx]

I can't believe it's taken this long for me to connect the dots.. of course it's Tom King!!

[@jdb7752]

if you look closely you will see liz dawn as an extra in the donkey crowd she went on to play vera Duckworth if you didnt know but you probably did x

[@0flan]

I never realised.lol wow.

[@staceygrove5976]

7:50 Ray Langton wouldn't have stayed in business if he'd been a bookmaker. He clearly doesn't understand the principle of the over round book.

[@davidspear9790]

Ray Langton was never a nice person. Always horrible to the Ogdens. I don't know what Deirdre saw in him.

[@scottranger8909]

They were a match made in heaven lol

[@annoldham3018]

He lived near my parents for a while. Off screen he was a nice guy. He played a good part though. If a soap character gets you uptight it's the sign of a good actor. 🥰

[@vashna3799]

Stan was a far more active character in the early 70s.

[@williamf4544]

I seem to remember reading that the actresses who played Norma Ford and Maggie Clegg were really close friends of Pat Phoenix in real life - part of the inner circle so to speak

[@mooniemuk]

william f yes particularly Diana Davies who played Norma she was Pat Phoenix’s best friend

[@shonamccallum6539]

@@mooniemuk I'm thrilled about that

[@annoldham3018]

Mr Cheeseman in Dad's Army!😂 the guy in the bowler hat. Talfryn Thomas. Dirty Dick!😂😂😂😂😂

[@SUPER_WOLFMOON]

Does anyone know why Annie Walker took to her bed in this episode? Someone said something about a baby? But which baby? Any clue would be great! Thanks!

[@tonypike763]

lmfao

[@stevenhighams4190]

Ena Sharples' great-grandson had been snatched from his pram outside the Rovers.

[@MarkGenner1991]

11:50 End Of Part One ❤

[@jetblack.7186]

When Coronation was an institution. Haven’t watched any fog the last 15 years at least

[@richardsharpe2966]

I could not remember Alf's first wife

[@Sarah-z1f6c]

She was never shown on screen

[@Sarah-z1f6c]

She was never shown on screen

[@richardsharpe2966]

Do you have 18th September 1972

[@francesgillotti1378]

wouldn't like him as a doctor .

[@tinaquinn9042]

Tracy's dad

[@jetblack.7186]

Gerry’s teas a bit weak.

[@0flan]

2 pints of not quiet full pints of bitter please?

[@RiaLake]

Quite! :)

[@lesleygoodall264]

LOL

[@josephlenehan4461]

Joseph and today TV 😀

[@howardrowan1871]

Don't know how the Madame Tusauds cardboard cutout Ken Barlow was in it so long..Worst actor I've ever seen..

[@michealbrett1983]

10/10