122 - FS2020 vs XP12 multi screen cockpit views....which is better?

[@willswings]

as a 737 full size cockpit builder, I ask Asobo to make a view"without nothing" for the very fisrt start. The more we are in this process, the better we'll be eard.

[@marvinbrooks2601]

Yes it would be a Great feature for FS2020 to have where you can adjust each individual screen separately

[@CessSim]

thanks mate and yes agree. In my later videos I have managed to edit the aircraft config file which removes the interior and I think is about as good as I can get it. Feel free to check the latest videos out and you will see what I mean.......

[@hiker44-oe8sr]

I feel your pain... I built my my Cessna 172 home cockpit prior to the msfs2020 release and I was very much anticipating a more realistic immersive experience. While waiting for the release I loaded X-Plane 11 and worked all the bugs out with the SIM. I thoroughly enjoyed XP 11 and how realistic it was. Covid was killing my piloting skills, I needed to keep current. Then 2020 was released.... The frustration had begun.... Trying to set up views, buggy and a very glitchy UI and constant crashing. Began to dawn on me that in 23 hours of gameplay (according to steam) I hadn't actually flown anywhere for more than 30 seconds in that entire time! I completely agree with you, this is not a program for home cockpit simmers. Enjoy it for what it's meant to be, a game.

[@CessSim]

thanks mate. I must admit the graphics on FS2020 are bloody good, especially for VFR navigation. Just wish you could select parts of the aircraft to display like in XPlane...having said that, I have configured a view to look somewhat reasonable and intend on publishing some FS2020 videos soon.....after 3 years. Watch this space.

[@hiker44-oe8sr]

Thoroughly enjoying your videos btw. I've test driven FS2020 (as that was original plan to use it in my sim) but aside from the awful bezel alignment issues which we both have experienced, I had issues with the menu UI. It was always on the centre monitor half buried behind my instrument panel and glare shield. No amount of fiddling or curse words resulted in moving the menu to the left (as on XP) or right monitor or even resizing it. Did you use a remote monitor to bypass this issue? Also a tip I used for my visible black bezel issue you may want to try: At each intersection of the monitors I installed reflective 100 mph speed tape. It was cut very thin, just enough to cover th visible bezel and wrap around the corner to the monitor screen. In the aviation industry we use it to cover up small defects on the airliner skin until repair can be made. It's reflective enough mirror the screen but enough to distract. If you're not able to source it locally, I imagine metalized heating duct tape would suffice. Cheers!

[@hiker44-oe8sr]

not enough to distract....

[@testoman25]

I can feel you so much. all have the same problem. There is no zoom option in the windows to get optimal settings.

[@CessSim]

Hot off the press. I may have a little workaround for the C172 (certainly with my build). Stay tuned to the channel............

[@kiksterman]

exact same problem. not even the home cockpit mode does work :( waiting for 2 years now for this

[@hobbytechgearID69]

I can feel the pain, Im also doing a320 cockpit either fully outside but no wiper etc. Or winshield effect if inside its a mess of view points, have to live for it now

[@c310sim6]

Hi. I can certainly see your issues and the reason you’ve gone the way you have. As I’ve mentioned here before I’ve committed myself to MSFS in my build (C310 sim in an actual C172 cockpit). The way I ended up going was to adjust my position in the cockpit by editing the “InitialXYZ” line in the Camera.cfg file. This pops “my head” just up through the roof of the cockpit. The upside is that I’m not looking through any interior parts, the downside is that the wing view in the left and right TVs is just slightly elevated, but it’s really not very noticible. I know this isn’t possible in a high winged plane, which is a shame. I thought a consideration for you could be “Wideview” by Luciano Napolitano. I used it with FSX. I believe it’s available with MSFS and it can be used to set custom views. Could be worth a look.

[@CessSim]

thanks mate. Appreciate the feedback and will check it out.

[@HomePilot]

I tried to adjust the camera.cfg a couple of times, but after that , my main view starts flickering to the point that I have to restart the sim.... very strange. I will check that tools too. Thanks for sharing.

[@c310sim6]

Oh ok, was that just changing one or more of the 3 numbers in the InitialXYZ line? I haven’t had any issues doing that. I haven’t changed anything else in any other lines. I should have mentioned but, it’s always a good idea to rename and save the original file so you can revert to it if things get out of hand. I hope you get it sorted out!

[@emeraldflightsimulations]

Hi would you mind sharing your config settings I have just started building a sim, I'm pulling my hair out lol trying to get it even close. TIA

[@CessSim]

@@emeraldflightsimulations hi mate. Are you asking me for my config settings in X-Plane?

[@n8033fox]

Until MSFS 2020 offers independent zoom for each display, I've given up with trying to make it look good on my setup. Since i run two different size displays, I need separate zooms.

[@CessSim]

thanks mate. I hear ya. Loving your videos by the way.

[@shadetreehomesim]

That’s exactly why I didn’t build the full shell (as much as I wanted to). MSFS is still pretty buggy, especially the experimental extra monitors…I’ve had the external views just fail entirely. Biggest issue for me is having to recode everything within mobiflight…may have to play around with it though.

[@CessSim]

thanks. I have considered stripping down the shell, but to be honest, I feel it provides a better level of immersion, and also provides a level of practicality (eg headphone holders, charging ports, pockets etc) all in the side walls.........

[@rykbrown1893]

MSFS isn't a flight simulator, it's a game. Simple as that.

[@CessSim]

Completely agree which I why I generally favour XPlane. VFR graphics does need to be improved. Some remote airstrips in Australia hard to find in XP but much easier in FS2020. Thanks for tuning in.

[@Hyestar]

I totally agree....I love MSFS in VR...but for my home cockpit, I use XP11 for now (I think XP12 3 screens might not be good FPS) ....it sucks but it works well....Where did you get your compass?

[@CessSim]

thanks mate and appreciate you tuning in. XP12 definately has some work to do on graphics optimization but it will get better over time. Wont make the eye candy offering of FS2020 but I dont think it ever intended to.......Compass from Simionic however I have this plugged into the Simionic switch panel.

[@N001AM]

Great sim, but how do you strip out unwanted parts of the aircraft?

[@CessSim]

Hi and thanks for tuning in. You can use a program called Planemaker for XPlane. I have posted a video on it here.......kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXnQZolnabOXnbM

[@miket3445]

I wonder if P3D has ability to remove parts you don’t want seen like in X-plane? I use P3D in my cockpit and it’s similar to MSFS……..??

[@CessSim]

HIi Unfortunately I am not familiar with P3D so cant really comment on that.

[@Hyestar]

yup mine 2.....I cant deal with the interior of the plane being there...if they could just allow views without the internal aspect in MSFS

[@CessSim]

I hear ya !

[@ECAstack]

Just got my sim running with MSFS2020 and I'm messing with the views too. Its not too bad if you don't have the physical cockpit, so IMO for those who want to fly MSFS, don't build the physical cockpit and just use the MSFS digital C172 cockpit for best immersion.

[@HomePilot]

Welcome to MSFS2020 problems.....!!! Let me list some more....manual initial instrument pop out every time... g1000 MFD backup (red audio panel button does not work in popped out panels....it does not follow the cockpit state... I am only using it because of its great VFR capabilities Grate video, as always...

[@CessSim]

thanks buddy. I didnt realise FS2020 had so many other issues. I am generally using XP12 so not really across these other issues, although FS2020 doesnt want to recognise my potentiometers for the yoke.......interesting..

[@HomePilot]

@@CessSim what is your joystick controller?

[@CessSim]

@@HomePilot Leo Bodnar BUO836X

[@HomePilot]

@@CessSim I can give you a code to turn an arduino Leonardo to a 6 (or 11) axis joystick. and it works really well with msfs2020.

[@CessSim]

@@HomePilot thanks but the Bodnar board has a number of other switches connected that I need for the sim. Will try the forums and see what I can find. Thanks anyway and appreciate your thoughts...

[@flightsimdeskuk]

I agree with you. For your usage XP12, or even 11, are more realistic. I don't have your problem, as I have no physical cockpit. Just screens. But still, XP offers more flexibility in how those screens are set up. I am able to use both sims, but I definitely prefer the feel of XP (Not the visuals or performance though).

[@CessSim]

thanks mate. Appreciate the feedback. Interested in your views in XP12 4K vs 2K vs 1080P. I did some tests the other day with my front monitor (which is a 4K display), and to be honest I am not noticing much difference at all in the graphical representation.

[@flightsimdeskuk]

@@CessSim Really? It surprises me that you can't see much difference on such large screens. Things should definitely be sharper at 4k with less shimmering. Especially on thin items like power lines. Though I guess TVs usually have fairly decent upscalers in them compared to computer monitors, so maybe less noticeable if upscaling is on. Anyway, if you are happy with 1080p, I'd stay at that rather than give yourself the headache and additional cost of adding a second PC to run higher resolutions.

[@CessSim]

@@flightsimdeskuk To be honest I feel the additional resolution is needed. Spotting small airports in the distance can sometimes be problematic with 1080p pixelation and this can be an issue in VFR conditions. I still intend on upgrading to 2K all round and I reckon this will still work on the single PC but as you have pointed out, beyond that and additional PC is required. Did you have a video on the screen resolution at 1080P vs 2K vs 4K? I would be interested to see it (provided you can record to KZbin in 4K). Thanks for the feedback.

[@flightsimdeskuk]

@@CessSim Hi mate. I am afraid not. I only have 1080p and 1440p screens. 4k on desktop monitors isn't really worth it unless you have 32" or above and I don't have room for that.

[@CessSim]

@@flightsimdeskuk ok thanks and understood.

[@n8033fox]

What size are your side displays?

[@CessSim]

55" Samsung TV's at 1080P

[@borisstihkrajnc6234]

I bet this can be done by changing the aircraft model without interior 3d mesh. Or change the near plane of a camera to higher value to clip the interior away

[@CessSim]

Interesting. Are you referring to FS2020 or XP?

[@MrNicholas1169]

Totally agree XPlane 12 is the better option by far!!!

[@CessSim]

Thanks and appreciate your feedback.

[@Hyestar]

Do you have any modded aircraft that you would be willing to let me use in my home cockpit (XP11)....? I have the C172 someone gave me...Id love a piper or even a better cessna.....thx

[@CessSim]

Sorry mate. I only fly the C172 G1000 or Seaplane variant which are stock XP12 (with custom liveries). I have made some adjustments made in planemaker to suit my cockpit shell.

[@rockyrowlands3652]

I too have my own rig and hoping MFS will one day sort this out to make view manipulation more flexible. Just a thought, …your frustration seems to be trying to fit MSF view to fit with your cockpit rig. But if you only fly one particular aircraft, can you not fix your rig around the MFS view? In other words, rebuild your rig panelling and trace it around the given simulator view that you are after. Of course it means de-rigging and starting new and after building my 5th generation home cockpit, it time consuming and a mental barrier to one more rebuilding your rig. But, of course and as I said why can’t MFS sort this out or at least indicate that one day they will work on it.

[@CessSim]

Thanks Rocky and appreciate you watching this video. Whilst a good idea (ie building the rig to suit the sim), I dont think it will solve the issue of the view between wings and front panel. What MSFS needs is functionality like X-Planes planemaker in my opinion, and then (as cockpit builders) we can truly tinker with it. As you can see from my videos I have invested a fair bit of time and energy into this rig, so not really considering a complete re-build at this stage.

[@pushingtin207]

No comparison...the whole idea of having your rig is the immersion...FS 2020 kills it....

[@CessSim]

thanks buddy. I agree. In a side note, your video the other day where you highlighted the C172 POH got me thinking. I might put a video together that demonstrates some of those plane limitations in the XPlane........

[@hobbytechgearID69]

I hope msfs hear our voices

[@CessSim]

Me to..

[@utubeaccount6981]

aaah, 3 years on now, I still hear them folks at asobo say "yes we will provide support for home cockpit builders and pro-builders."... it never has and never will come... Nice graphics, nice game, but the latter saying it all. As soon as people finally start realizing this, you could stop putting energy in these kind of videos. But hey mate, we feel your frustration ;-)

[@ciri151]

Msfs has come a very long way since it's release. It's definetely not just a ''game'' with the right addons... (fenix, black square) Cockpit builders are by far the minority of the userbase. You can't expect Asobo to prioritize this over other more important things.

[@utubeaccount6981]

"other more important things"....🤦‍♀

[@markhannell4612]

Msfs was made for people to experience flying different aircraft model's

[@garyking6365]

MSFS still is better because I can fly any plane. You can't, you are stuck with your shell. Would not look right if you wanted to fly a 727 or any other plane. But yes for your one plane the views are better

[@jojebia1648]

if you don't like it give it back and get the money. simple.

[@CessSim]

Thanks for watching......

[@jojebia1648]

Why you being rude? Not trying to be funny. MAny times happened to me with SIM's where I gave a product back on Steam. Some are good, some are not. Simple. Why waste your energy ranting on it in a clip when you can simply give it back and go to a different better game / product :) @@CessSim

[@noneNone-mw1px]

there is always annoying stuff by sims. I do not know they do it intentionally or by ignorance. how much more if using actual fuselage. you can fix it by actual fuselage is not fixable.the other things bother me is actually your tv lines. why do not use 77 "" or 83"" tv???? totally will cover that down part of your sim.

[@CessSim]

Thanks for the feedback. Not as easy as getting a larger TV as the bezels on the side TV's need to connect to the front. A larger front TV will cause the side TV's to stick out away from the side and look terrible. I am working on a bezel hide (part of my upgrade journey) which will improve this, and for a C172, I believe that 55" is the right size. But hey, that's me !

[@Aleksandar6ix]

From a realism point of view....where your eyepoint is for the cowling, you would not actually see the wings the way you like! That would be a very low view point.

[@CessSim]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@kingkarnage9804]

Bah just play in vr haha its a lot more immersive and real 3d...

[@CessSim]

Maybe so but you don't get the tactile feel of a real cockpit. Once mixed reality comes in we get the best of both worlds. Thanks for tuning in and your feedback.