14" vs 16" M3 Max MacBook Pro - Apple's Secret REVEALED!

[@MaxTechOfficial]

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[@maxrahmquist8730]

What song is that.... Bring back the old one ;)

[@shiyanth]

5:51 there is an error in the graphic where the 16 inch and 14 inch numbers should be swapped.

[@MatbiangShadap]

Thank you.. ❤❤

[@ardierr.2525]

Hello , no logic pro test this time?

[@thePunkRockMix]

yes - i mis it as well @@ardierr.2525

[@chumpvilla]

Just a heads up. Your chart on surface temps is backwards. Should be 43 degrees on 14 inch and 35 degrees on 16 inch. You said it correctly but the chart is reversed.

[@kenny7210]

And what’s more interesting, his results are quite different from my own test on 14’ m3 max. I highly doubt his results. (Unplugged and high performance mode)I tested on my 14 m3 max unit. Cinebench 2024 is around at 1580, event hits at 1605. And 71 seconds Xcode compilation. Overall performance shows Merely no noticeable performance between 16inch and 14inch, but at cost of noise and battery life.

[@JS-ih4qi]

⁠​⁠@@kenny7210so is the 14” with Max as powerful as the 16”? I purchased the M3 Max with 64 gb of ram for AI. I plan on mostly using this for video but also have a lot of browser business apps. Also plan on using bots but was hoping to download my own personal llm. Any help is appreciated!

[@PhillipLearnTeach]

@@kenny7210 I think it depends on what you have installed on your laptop too

[@AZisk]

Always go for the 16 - i outlined the many reasons to do it in a video: the 16-inch MacBook Pro provides a larger display and more efficient cooling system, ideal for enhanced visual workspace and sustained high performance. Additionally, its longer battery life makes it better suited for extended use without frequent charging.

[@skafwadie]

Even with M3Pro?

[@yuriyfromamerica3558]

I used the 16" M3 pro for the last week and found the size to be uncomfortably big (via subjective criteria). Now on a binned M3 Max 14". My work comp has been a 14" M1 Max with 64 GB and I work on one of the biggest repos out there without any thermal or perf issues.

[@AZisk]

@@skafwadieI haven’t tested heating issues yet on the m3 pro, but the issue is still 14” chassis vs 16”. not only are there other reasons why 16 is better, but just for the cooling aspect of it alone, it will be more capable than the 14.

[@AZisk]

@@yuriyfromamerica3558it’s true that if you go from a 14 to a 16, initially, it will feel too big (subjectively as you said), but you will be used to it in a matter of a few days.

[@Epicgamer_Mac]

Hey nice to see you here! Big fan of your channel as well. I agree with what you said here, specifically when you’re getting an M3 Max, which is of course the top spec (which I am). Probably M3 Pro as well. But what about the 14” M3? Do you have any thoughts on that?

[@RamasArrow]

14" should be better with 14c/30c chip. No point going for top chip only to get throttled down.

[@alexpixeli]

Can't wait for the 14/30c vs 14/40c test! I think the 14/40 is only fine for short bursts. Real Game Tests would be nice. Missed the Blender Render Test!

[@VanvanJakw]

14" 11c 14c is better,

[@vojtechkijensky4773]

@@VanvanJakw It is not, I tested it (see my comparison)

[@rubenduartepires]

I’ve got the point 14’’ 14c/30 it for 2 months now it works perfectly 💪🏾 And if you want mobility it’s perfect In my case i have an imac 5k at home that’s why i went for a 14 inch

[@alessandroloddo4703]

​@@rubenduartepirescan you tell me how it handles heat and if the fans are often in action?

[@SoftwareManiacLSM]

I am SOOOOO happy I bought the 16 MBP M3 Max. If I want things throttled or slowed down, that is what the MBAir 13/15 is for! Great review.

[@DigiDriftZone]

Please do this test with Base 14-core M3 Max on Macbook Pro 14" - I think that is the sweet spot to reduce overheating and noise while maintaining portability.

[@kaitracid3168]

Would love to see this

[@Georgiaboy_]

Exactly. I bet the machine is plenty powerful too. And cheaper

[@Epicgamer_Mac]

Agreed! @MaxTechOfficial please do this!

[@AceCmbatguy25]

Agreed. Pricing is wild in the EU as well but at least the binned max rounds out at a "nice" 3999€" lol

[@N495illithian]

Honestly I don’t trust the max chips in the 14” body. Too much fan noise too much heat. 14” is suited for the pro chip

[@michaelvasyliv4395]

Will you compare 14 vs 16 m4 in the same way?

[@avenged110]

Definitely a fan of the 14" model. Coming from a 2013 15" MBP, I'm so glad Apple now offers the top-end chip in the smaller chassis, even if the thermal management isn't the best. I've got the binned 14/30 M3 Max and it's fine. The fans hardly ever even turn on unless I'm using HandBrake, but I basically just live in low power mode and compared to what I'm coming from, it really is amazing. I'm a huge fan of small electronics and the 14" model is effectively perfect.

[@zoltanzana]

It is not the best choice with the Max chip

[@vojtechkijensky4773]

After three weeks of using a new 14" 16/40 M3 Max, I must admit that this is the best notebook I have ever used, and your review is misleading. I have a direct comparison to 14" 14/30, and the thermal management is almost the same to each other. In real life, all fans are off during the vast time of your work because the chip is so powerful that your work is done sooner than it hits its limit to start cooling. Even while gaming the AA title or under heavy load, I've never got more than 5200rpms. I would definitely recommend a smaller factor of 14" and 16/40 after my experience as a perfect choice for traveling. The performance is stunning!

[@Novapopone]

that makes both of us! He ignored the fact that you can over ride the thermal throttling which is done for BATTERY LIFE not because the 14 cant handle it... a power user will set the system to HIGH POWER MODE not positive the actual wording... but i do know that the DEFAULT is AUTO... Myself id keep it on high power default myself and only switch to auto or low when battery life matters. Even plugged in this thing is going to use a ton less energy than all the macs ive used the past 2 decades. I think his review IS misleading but i have a hunch the guy just got out his geek toy tester kit and never checked the fact that performance was ADJUSTABLE! Kinda matters.... ive seen the 14 inch trail the 16 in most all my research but by razor thin margins.... like 15000. vs. 14988. really tiny amounts. He has some massive cliffs the 14 drops off and the more i think about it... thats exactly what would happen to the 14 when pushed super hard on AUTO SETTING!!! KZbin.... you get what we paid for this review.... always cross reference

[@zoltanzana]

Not the best choice

[@adrianruthe.]

I wanted to buy the 14'' M3 Max but than I watched your performance comparison on the exact models with the M2 Max and well, now I watch this on my 16'' M3 Max and this thing totally blows my mind! Thank you so much for your reviews! :)

[@NNox_]

Hi , How is your battery life on average ?

[@adrianruthe.]

@@NNox_ Hi sry for the late response. it is very good. when you run normal multi-tasking-productivity applications the battery will easily last the whole day or even longer. I haven't done a lot of heavy duty workloads on battery yet but so far it would last for multiple hours too. but I also try to use the battery in the least corroding way which means I try to never keep in plugged in for too long and always stay between 20-80% of charge.

[@zoltanzana]

@@adrianruthe. There is no real harm in keeping your MacBook Pro connected to the charger when it's just sitting on your desk. In fact, allowing the battery to drain significantly repeatedly puts more wear and tear on the battery chemistry than keeping it plugged in. macOS has built-in features to optimize charging so that you don't need to micromanage it. Just use and enjoy your Mac as intended. Don't babysit it.

[@biggatorbossman1911]

3:30 man you bring that thing on an airplane homeland security gonna waterboard you 😂

[@sebastianfeistl]

At 5:51 it seems like the chart is flipped. The 16'' should have the lower temperature.

[@benedeklippai0203]

Intel cpus in macs: *overheating* Apple: *ditches them* Apple cpus in macs: *overheating* Apple: *visible confusion*

[@Joe_Brig]

Now we need a 14" binned vs non binned test. Could the non-binned version run faster because it doesn't throttle as much ? edit: corrected binned

[@Holden_McHock]

What about if you throttle deez nuts?

[@connorlearmonth665]

Wow this thread went downhill fast

[@Holden_McHock]

​@@Joe_Brig alas. I have been checkmated

[@N495illithian]

I have a 14” m3 pro unbinned and saw notably ~15% higher multi core number on cinebench 2024 vs a review of a binned model I saw online. No overheating issues at all.

[@bradleyrees6239]

FYI the 16/40 is the binned version. Binned = the better silicone, aka more cores.

[@ji30019hq]

Another mess-up on your graphs. “Surface temp over chip in Cinebench 2024 Mulit-core” had the graphs swapped. It’s showing 35 degrees for the 14” and 43 for the 16”. Someone needs to slow down a bit and double check what they’re doing.

[@freundchenrecords]

A comparison between the top end m3pro vs the low end m3max on a 14“ would be nice. Battery life, thermal throttle plz

[@XNa0mhAbanX]

Would love to see this comparison as well!

[@AllgoodthingsTv]

The FCPX playback test of the 8K footage was worth the price of admission alone to this vid. I've been asking other YT's to show this. That 8K Canon footage is one of the toughest codecs out there for machines. Imagine spending as much as the 14" M3 MacBook Max costs and seeing that stuttering on playback! Totally unacceptable. I would've liked to have known whether it was playing back at "Better Quality" and what the frame rate was as well.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Yes better quality. 24fps I believe

[@AllgoodthingsTv]

@@MaxTechOfficialThanks! Was there any stuttering on the 16" ?

[@HDRPC]

​@@AllgoodthingsTvyes you can see in the video

[@jamfin6644]

Complaining about 8k playback on a 14” laptop is silly no matter the cost. Build a PC or get a desktop replacement (like the 16 mbp or the Mac Studio)

[@gr93cjs]

As much as I love what Apple accomplished with the "Apple Silicon," yeah, no matter what, at least for now, we ended at the same point... more power -> more heat -> a better cooling system. Just think about gaming, Apple is starting to explore, but this is so much different to render because a normal gamer expects the same performance for hours of gaming, and yeah, that's the reason why we have big graphic cards, big pc cases and better cooling systems 😢😢 but it's incredible what a laptop can do these days

[@gr93cjs]

@@rohittkrr yeah for sure

[@stdnk2332]

Thanks guys! I have been waiting this comparison. Would love to see comparison bw 14" Base M3 Max and 14" 16/40 M3 Max.

[@DigiDriftZone]

Yes! Not one review of the 14-core Max 14" :(

[@Epicgamer_Mac]

I agree! And as the above commenter said, I haven’t seen that coverage anywhere which makes no sense cuz boy are they all sold out at Best Buy and my local  store!

[@crestofhonor2349]

Always preferred larger laptops. Bigger screen, larger battery, and better cooling. Overall makes for a better experience for me personally. The extra weight and size feels like nothing to me. Plus the screen is big and I would want to experience that 16in MiniLED in it's full glory

[@youngfigaro]

Hey max, could you make a video comparing the M3 Pro, the M2 pro and the M2 Max? I feel like the M3 Pro isn't talked about a lot since it's release

[@JohnSmith-sh1sy]

this. I'd love to see a test between 16 M1 max and 16 M3 pro in Xcode, etc., in terms of fan speed, temps, performance.

[@MeFcb]

Same question, thanks!

[@Epicgamer_Mac]

I agree I’d love to see that especially with the super detailed tests these guys do

[@rmatveev]

11:48 - This is totaly false methodology to compare batary life! You should compare not the remaining battary but the amount spent battery. Your comparison gives almost two times advantage of 16-inch (and this advantage will grow if your test would be longer) but the real difference is 58% vs 78% - just 26% less.

[@6SPEEDlopez]

Thank you for tearing it down to show us the speakers, you sir have a loyal follower!

[@document6]

The 16” is very portable .. ppl truly overdo it when they say it’s “too big” it’s super #thin even in the padded case I got for it, and it easily fits in my various backpacks

[@santiagobaquerovilla7266]

True

[@Strawhat..]

+

[@joseph_p]

Depends on what your needs are with regards to portability. Carrying it in a backpack to/from work? Totally portable. Frequently needing to do work on a plane? Not so portable.

[@jamfin6644]

The problem isn't the 16" alone, the problem is people who carry multiple laptops. That's me. I have no problem with the MBP 16" as my solo driver, but for work we use a 17" inch ultralight, and to stay relevant in my spare time I carry around a 14" windows laptop (my work laptop has 16gb and can barely manage 2 VS instances + several chrome tabs). I would love to develop on a mac for work long term, so that's 3 laptops not including any other accessories. I travel for work weekly.

[@pedrog4651]

It’s heavy and much larger than the 14”. Those that use it on a plane or a local coffee shop will notice the huge difference. Even putting on your lap while in campus is harder with the 16” mbp. It’s great if it mostly to be home or taking it to commute to another desk..

[@ZacharyJohnson1337]

Good thing most people will go for the M3 Pro instead of max, or at least not the top of the line $6k one. Would love to see the same test on M3 Pro machines, considering its thousands of $ less.

[@pedrog4651]

I think the M3 pro with upgraded unified memory is doing a much better job on the 14” chassis than the M3 max. Battery last longer and has less hiccups.. only a few seconds or a minute difference when performing heavy tasks.

[@Fliptricksftwdude]

Look at the GPU performance of both chips. Huge difference between M3 Pro and M3 Max

[@vintagewander]

I agree also, the M3 Max is only suitable on the 16 inch chasis, not only that, but it seems like once again apple is capping the Max chip on the 14 inch to only draw 40W, (meanwhile the 16 can go up to 62W) even with that, the 14 inch machine still throttles and fans spinning full speed. But then asking for a smooth 8K preview on a small laptop is a bit much to ask for, overall the base m3 pro chip really goes well with a 14 inch, and for someone who needs extra performance, might as well go for the 16 inch with m3 max

[@Origon09]

Bro normally I like your tests. But these are like extremes. Just buy whichever fits your lifestyle. 16 in isn’t the most portable. And you shouldn’t decide your entire decision on a stress test. Unless you actually would ever stress test the machine. 95% off users will never need type of performance. Go in a store and go mess with them and see which size fits you better. Don’t make decision on a 5-10% difference that you will never encounter (battery life aside)

[@Origon09]

@@WorksOnMyComputer I completely disagree with you. I bought the m3 max 14in. I'm a software engineer, I do virtualization and have multiple ide's open at once, while pushing to external monitor, with other things going on in the background... And the computer isn't breaking a sweat. "getting your monies worth" for the 16 is maybe saving 20-40 seconds... and that's only if you are actually doing anything that would push it to its limits. Which once again 95% of users will not do. So don't waste the extra $300, unless you like the size of the 16. because you will not throttle it.

[@shukailin8233]

@@Origon09 I like your reply a lot! Since I’m not an engineer, and looking to waste money on the maxed out version M3 Max 14 inch (I want to game, and I just love buying the best for my feeling), could you please tell me, if I were to max out the performance (which I doubt is likely) to the point where it’s throttling, would putting a cooling pad underneath help it? Since in the video mentions it’s the “chassis” that’s overheating, and not the chip. I trust in your reply, since you’re an engineer who’s looking for portability like me. Thank you!

[@Origon09]

@@shukailin8233 I don't think a thermal pad will help the situation. From what I've heard they don't work that well. But you should be fine. Depending on what game you are playing. Just kick the settings down a bit and I don't believe anything you play will overheat it. There is a couple videos of people playing Baldurs Gate 3 and Lies of P on these new M3 Macs and they don't seem like it overly taxes the system. Just do your research.

[@shukailin8233]

@@Origon09 Understood. Thanks for your reply man!

[@emdwyer7331]

Oh no! I'm a dev and just got notification my 14" M3 max with 128GB RAM 8TB storage shipped. I should return it immediately, right? Kidding.. benchmarks not particularly real world for me. Went with the M3 max for extra memory, and 14" for portability. I have a 16" M2 Pro for work and it's great but a bit unwieldy for me unless it's on a stand plugged into an external monitor. I'll be coding, bunch of IDEs, running containers and VMs for dev and pen testing. Extra RAM will be useful and hoping the M3 max will be good for short bursts without throttling. Can't see myself really pegging the CPU a whole lot.

[@cellocamara]

You’re ok with the 14” size ? I’m dev too, and don’t know which size should be better.

[@smokesmoke1576]

@@cellocamara 14 has worked great for me.. but im considering going to the 16. trust me the 14 inch is amazing. I need to stop watching these videos

[@cellocamara]

@@smokesmoke1576 I’m pretending to get the 14” m3 max with 36gb ram 1tb. I think this videos tells us that 16” is better but I don’t think it’s a big difference

[@zoltanzana]

@@cellocamara 16"

[@cellocamara]

@@zoltanzana I bought the 14” and there is no regret. It’s insane. I’m a mobile developer and since I bought it even don’t turn on the fans

[@Cervocns]

Your review of the M3 Max's heat issues was really helpful. I always enjoy and find great value in your content because you deliver sharp and timely insights. I had a similar impression with your review of the M2 Mac's SSD, and once again, your video is really good this time too.

[@psysword]

yup going with the 14 and cooling pad

[@REALjackiehu]

I mean… It’s a laptop, portability absolutely should come to priority.

[@TheUAProdigy]

I see this completely the opposite way, where the 14 inch makes the most sense and you save 500 bucks for roughly the same performance.

[@MaxTechOfficial]

It's only a $200 price difference if you spec it out the same way.

[@FiliniS]

5:57 Confused the values of 14 and 16 inches

[@kenny7210]

I don’t know if there are any mistakes you made. I tested on my 14 m3 max unit. Cinebench 2024 is around at 1580, event hits at 1605. And 71 seconds Xcode compilation. Merely no noticeable performance between 16inch, but at cost of noise and battery life

[@bladerealm124]

Which config do you have? How was the fan noise been?

[@kenny7210]

@@bladerealm124 when performing heavy duty load on high power mode, fan spins at 6500rpm。My unit is M3 max + 48 +1T

[@Novapopone]

@@kenny7210 you NAILED IT Kenny.. what this reviewer totally FORGOT was to set it to HIGH POWER MODE so on auto id did throttle some... terrible oversight

[@FxpNtur64]

Great video! I’ve been waiting for that one! Thank you Now we need the 14 inch max chip binned and unbinned one 😮

[@chriscasillas]

Portability isn't necessarily the *only* reason to buy the 14 inch. Maybe someone is getting a Pro machine but they know they aren't going to push it to the max with their workflow all the time. In that case, the 14 inch would be totally fine for them.

[@ericmatthews8497]

Or just suck it up and let it throttle... Sacrifice the power for more portability.

[@skottu]

I had a 16" M1P and after almost a year, replaced it with 14". All of a sudden, my MBP became more portable. But, I do miss the larger screen real estate and speakers I loved while watching movies when I am away from home. So, like he says, if portability isn't important for you, go for 16"

[@tinot5093]

I just bought a maxed out 14inch MBP M3 Max; and while this video is very concerning, I will stick with 14inch. I bring it to travel and when home, my desktop machine connected to 32 inch Display. I used to have 16 inch intel MBP, but it's just too heavy and too big to travel. I then upgraded to 14inc M1 Max. I think i'll stick with 14inch. I edit 8k video Prores 4444 and they play smoothly. Canon R5 8K is notoriously hard to edit.

[@AlexanderKent-u4i]

@@tinot5093 what are you made of? I mean, 2 extra inches and you drop down? If I can carry a 14, let me tell you now that I can carry a 16 without any inconvenience. Most backpack are made for 14,15,16,17. Don't understand where the portability comes from removing 2 inches, but in the process, you give away, larger screen, better battery, better speakers, and a superior cooling system, yes for those full 2 inch.

[@clerian]

​@@AlexanderKent-u4iTry using a 16 inch laptop on an airplane in coach class seats or on a city transit system. It is incredibly awkward.

[@GWVEEN]

Will the 14/30 m3 max also overheat in the 14”?

[@adamsarlatanondrejka5684]

5:50 there is a misstake in temperatures 14” and 16”

[@MalcolmREBORN]

Wait, so the speakers aren't actually located underneath the speaker grill? Wow how does that make sense? Engineering is hard!

[@MaxTechOfficial]

I believe the chambers go underneath the other side of the logic board, up to where the grilles are at.

[@MalcolmREBORN]

Thank you very much Vadim (or Max)@@MaxTechOfficial

[@haroonvlogs5437]

I am typing this on m3 base model with 16GB ram and 14 inch. I have had this for almost a week and so far not a single time a fan has kicked in. this thing is solid as a tank. I am debating weather to keep this or upgrade to m3pro base model. so far this thing is literally incredible. just wow. it will be my laptop for next 5 years minimum. battery life is amazing on 14inch for me. I love the portability. 16 inch is too big for me. (I upgraded from iPad m1)

[@shameermulji]

In your case, I would jumped to the M3 Pro model. The price difference isn't that great and what you get in return is worth it.

[@Epicgamer_Mac]

Oh nuts! I was hoping I could go 14” this year… looks like nope I I want the most performance! Thanks again guys, you’re doing so great work 👍 I really hope to see a binned vs full M3 Max comparison soon 🙏

[@cguldogan]

Buy 14'' then, this guy keeps changing his ideas and two weeks later on he will tell why he switched to 14''

[@Epicgamer_Mac]

@@cguldogan well, I certainly get your points, I think that to be fair to them, they are coming from a certain perspective of pro users, who need every ounce of performance. They said that if you don’t need all the performance and portability is your main focus, go with the 14 inch. But go with the 16 inch performance is your main deciding factor.

[@yuriyfromamerica3558]

@@Epicgamer_Mac Keep in mind that this comparison has high power mode enabled. If the power mode is set to auto, fan noise and performance may be near identical. Also, synthetic benchmarks that max out CPU and GPU only matter if your workflow has similar loads. I would buy the one you like, test it for a week, and decide if you need the extra thermal headroom.

[@Epicgamer_Mac]

@@yuriyfromamerica3558 That’s true, good point about high power mode. I do think the extra battery and screen size of the 16” might be worth it for me, all things considered, but I know some people (my Dad for example) who really should be going 14” this year.

[@Lost_In_LA]

I ordered the 14" binned M3 Max and can't wait to get it. Apple wasn't really promoting the 16 core M3 Max in the 14" as it was buried as an upgrade option choosing the binned Max. A better comparison would have been the binned M3 Max on both the 14 and 16. This guy pumped up the 14" when he felt a need to dump on the 15" MBA. Don't sweat it.

[@Jeannemarre]

Try a Thermal Pad Mod on the 14 PLS !!!

[@austinthecat]

+1 there are a lot of thermal pad test on Macbook Air but not a single one on the Macbook Pro 14

[@Jeannemarre]

@@austinthecat if no one does it I will, I have my m3 max 14 inch coming Monday. Will try to write the results

[@Jeannemarre]

@@austinthecat I think they haven’t done it because before m3 there was no throttling

[@mejlgaardbliddal]

I am very happy with my 16 inch M1 Pro and I bought it for exactly the reasons mentioned in this Video. I do not need to move it around a lot and I really like the extra screen real estate as well as the extended battery life of the 16 inch.

[@alc5440]

That's a bummer. Unfortunately, the 16 inch is a hard no for me. I tried it when the retina display was only available in the larger size and hated it. Honestly 14 is pushing it. I wish they'd made the 14 inch a little thicker to accommodate cooling required to take advantage of the additional power.

[@zoltanzana]

Thicker? No, thanks.

[@espi742]

Hi Max, could you compare the M3 Pro and M3 Max in the same form factor? particularly interested in the impact in battery life.

[@suburbanflyer]

I'd like the same comparison but for the 16 inch if it's possible

[@77dris]

Anybody else think you are going to have issues trying to get on a flight with that power bank? LOL

[@OldKingMaple]

Great video, super relevant for the m4 series as well, one of the things I hate about my current 14 inch is fan noise, it feels like I'm next to an air plane lol

[@Robm_ph]

Can you please test the top m3pro 12/18 cores and base m3max 14/30 cores on 14 inch display as well ? It would be nice to know if this happens on these models too

[@simonb.979]

I travel a lot via train, and a 14inch is just so much more comfortable to work with if you have limited environment space.

[@zoltanzana]

Do you live on the train? Strange.

[@djaminad]

would love to see a 16" M1 max vs 14" M3 Max

[@rahul.puthussery]

I think the surface temp over chip graph got the labels mixed up, 16” was running cooler

[@The-BigBoss]

Test and compare all in low power mode. The M3 Pro is the only model with 6 efficiency cores!

[@chrisdiasdesigns]

Who the heck complained about the song during the sound test? That song is OG. Great review as always!

[@jessejayphotography]

Thank you for doing the timeline performance comparison!

[@AlexeyKhvatov]

Dear @MaxTechOfficial, I appreciate your work, but I noticed a mix-up in the values on the graphs in a couple of your latest M3 videos, particularly in "surface temp over chip in cinebench..." and some of your previous videos. Please double-check. Thank you!

[@digitaldevigner4080]

To be fair some users do prefer size and weight over a sliver of extra performance. It’s kind of a given a smaller less expensive model might be a tiny bit slower. Apple could have a dedicated chip just for the 14” that is slightly slower but they don’t. They give us the full chip and shorter tasks will be much faster because of it. The longer tasks are still insanely fast and the only thing really impacted are bragging rights. The 14” Max in no way is a bad but. It’s a killer laptop much more capable than the 14” Pro. The entire point of a laptop is to be light and small to take with you on the road. That’s important to a lot of users that do want to balance usability vs performance. Plus not every user is editing 8k raw video or gaming on a Mac. They could be performing a lot of tasks on the go where they want more performance but don’t want to lug around a larger and heavier laptop to get more performance.

[@arjunaangkasa99]

indeed, the only reason i had a macbook , is portablity.anything larger would just defeat the purpose,imho.

[@bradleyrees6239]

I feel like in a stress test I would expect the smaller one, to get hotter and throttle more, surely thats a "given" though? Same reason desktops -> laptops. Be interesting to see a comparison with a real world task, rather than something designed to blow it up. Personally I've always preferred the 14, just find it more flexible and... it is a fair bit cheaper - the bigger screen, fans etc aren't free, worth mentioning that those things come with a $$ attached to them. It's also worth considering that the 14 with a cooling pad (which are very cheap), may be able to produce exactly the same performance as the 16.

[@HomeStudioWannabe]

I’d like to see a thermal/fan/noise test between a 16” M3 Max 14cpu/30GPU vs a 16” M3 Max 16cpu/40gpu. I’m hoping the 16” 14/30 runs quiet for complex audio production projects with Logic Pro. I’m looking for the fastest quiet MBP (with the least amount of GPU overkill 😊). A friend says he’s never heard the fan on his M1 Max used for audio production. I’m hoping the 16” 14/30 M3 Max can do the same, but with even more power. Thanks for your videos!

[@upupdowndownleftrightleftr4224]

There’s an error with your chart at 5:50. The titles are backwards. The 16” temperature should be the lower of the two.

[@Aaron_Bleu]

We need this same test for the M4 MacBooks !!

[@livendi3229]

It’s not enough for them that we sit through google ads before and during the videos and we click like button to give them traction. I also have to sit through them pushing products mid video. I’m done with this channel.

[@PassiveSmoking]

The 16 inch machine should also have a longer operational lifespan too, because li-ion batteries hate excessive heat and they hate deep-discharges. The bigger machine's better heat rejection should preserve your battery capacity for longer, and the bigger capacity to start with should mean less need to deep-discharge/recharge the battery pack, also contributing to a longer lifespan.

[@johnandrew00]

great comparison!

[@tommasomaiello]

Please do the same with M4 pro 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Need to see if the 14 inch Is able to support that chip without throttling😱💪🏻🧡

[@toastonastick9381]

38 core m2 max vs 30 core m3 max comparison?

[@HFProductionsComp]

Need to test the BINNED 14 inch M3 Max to see if it matches that smaller cooler any better

[@poulanderson2053]

👍Very informative, a huge thank you 👍 for this comparison using M3-max (top tier 16/40)! It follows the same pattern you identified for the M2-max (top-tier) 14" & 16" models. If you happen to have access to this laptop... I'd be very interested to see an addendum to add the ***14" M3-max (lower-tier 14/30)*** to the comparison to see if the lower CPU/GPU count would fit more neatly into the smaller thermal envelope and resolve the thermal 'bottleneck', as there is also a considerable cost difference between the 14" M3-max (14/30) and 16" M3-max (16/40). If the lower tier M3-max 14" 'fits' more neatly into it's smaller thermal envelope to enable it to fully utilise its CPU & GPU cores; then don't you think it would offer a very good value option for those who want portability (pehaps also use an external screen), don't need quite as much processing power but still need a computer for intensive tasks. 0.5kg difference in physical weight aside, the thing that I find heavier is the idea of carrying the larger 16" fully specified laptop about worth more than £4K in my bicycle pannier between meetings! 😧 Your review of the 16" M3-max (14/30) was really helpful in that respect.

[@NatmanFilms]

*Can you please do a TEST with the 14" Apple M3 Max chip with 14‑core CPU, 30‑core GPU - 36GB - 1TB. Thank you kindly.*

[@Hiimbald12]

I purchuased a 14 inch m3 max 16/40. Will i regret it? Is the m3 pro way better for the 14 inch?

[@thedarksoul2104]

How is your experience with the 14 inch?

[@Novapopone]

@@thedarksoul2104 so did I purchase that. NO - please not this reviewer did NOT test this fairly. He had the settings on AUTO which WILL throttle you some to save battery life. What he does not mention because this is a terribly misleading review is you can set it to HIGH POWER mode which is not the default... im sure this nerd never bothered to do anything but load his gadgets in and go.... thats AUTO mode - Apple is not perfect... but they gave us a very smart CHOICE to OVERRIDE the auto mode throttling (only at extreme workloads). His 16 inch review proves that in auto mode the 16 inch probably does not need to be set to high power mode... but the 14 on occasion.. does... but 99% of us professional 3d video VFX people dont care about a slightly warmer machine or a faster but still pretty quiet fan.

[@zoltanzana]

It is not the best choice

[@marceln2]

Definitely happy I picked the 14-inch MacBook Pro M3 Max-it's just so much more portable. The 14-inch size is already a step up from my old M1 Air, and anything bigger like my old 15.6-inch Intel MacBook Pro from 2019 just kills the portability for me. If I ever need a bigger screen, I just hook it up to an external monitor. The 14 or 13-inch models are perfect for mobility; I can easily get work done in cafes or on train rides without any hassle. I never really hit any performance limits with real-life tasks; my CPUs hardly ever max out. This 14-inch M3 Max is like a small miracle of technology-a portable laptop that packs a serious punch. Plus, I can always switch it to low power mode when I'm on the move, and it becomes as quiet and efficient as a MacBook Air. Basically, the 14-inch MBP is a transformer: it's a MacBook Air when I want cool, quiet, and long battery life, and it turns into a beastly M3 Max when I need to power through heavy tasks that would drag on forever on an Air. When you go for the 16-inch, you lose this transformer ability. It just won’t fit in your sports bag or a typical backpack. How do you even bike around the city with a 16-inch? With the 14-inch, I can always have it with me and use any 15-minute break to chip away at my projects. I bet the 16-inch owners just end up leaving it at home. And if you consider a MacBook Air, sure, it stays cool and portable, but it starts to throttle under heavy loads because it doesn’t have a fan. And then there’s the 16-inch MacBook Pro Max-much heavier, bulkier, and a pain to carry around, especially if you put it in a protective case (which you have to, if you don’t want it to break). And what are you really gaining over the 14-inch? Just a bit of extra theoretical performance? Which, in real life, hardly makes a difference. The M3 Max 14-inch remains the most versatile option. You get high power when you need it, low power when you don’t, and you can always connect to a bigger screen at home. You get the best of both worlds-a powerful device that’s still super portable. (proofread with chatgpt for reader's pleasure)

[@marceln2]

I’ve been running the 14 inch hard with photo imports and processing for hours over the past three days, and I haven’t heard the fan kick in once. Plus, I’m getting about 9 hours of battery life on low power mode, which is incredible. For those worried about battery life while on the move, here’s a tip: just drop a power adapter or power bank into your backpack. It's still way more portable than lugging around a bigger laptop. This way, the size of your laptop doesn’t increase, but you still get all the power you need for extended use. Honestly, the 16-inch might offer a bit more battery theoretically, but if you're never going to carry it around because of its size, what's the point? That's exactly why I switched from the bulky 15.6-inch MacBook Pro to the 13.3-inch MacBook Air M1 initially. The Air was always with me because it was so easy to carry around. Now, the 14-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max offers the best of both worlds: it’s powerful enough to handle heavy tasks and still portable enough to take anywhere. It's perfect for anyone who needs the power of a Pro but wants the day-to-day convenience of an Air.

[@Novapopone]

@@marceln2 i dont think this reviewer set the 14 inch on high power mode for his benchmarking. Its nice to ignore battery life and some heat if you want too for a while and have the machine not slow down much or at all... apple knew the speed of this thing would make for desktop use as well and a little fan noise or heat doesnt matter to 90% of us. Ill be using Blender and very complex After Effects projects... so ill be pushing it. Lastly he also chose codecs on purpose that apple does not have accelleration for to tax the machine. That is mostly never done in professional settings with video work... were using pro res etc etc... so the video tests were a bit weak i felt. I also know maybe 1% of us in the industry in LA or film and television work... even use anything 8k... overall this guy seems well meaning and i liked his presentation... but luckily MY research included multiple sources before i purchased.... i will not be surprised finding out the number of people pushing the 14 inch max on heavy workload tests and DONT KNOW that you need to MANUALLY OVERRIDE the auto setting to allow the 14 inch to throttle little to none.

[@6XCcustom]

apple calculated that the TSMC N3B node would be better than it turned out, so now apple is in a precarious situation The MacBook Pro M3 has fewer transistors than the MacBook Pro M2, less bandwidth, fewer ports, worse fans, which causes problems with heat development so that the cpu throttles to name a few changes for the worse for the M3 chip externally, Apple made no changes to the MacBook Pro 2023 model when will my I mac get a major overhaul, the fact that this still uses a lightning cable for the accessories says something about how often apple updates its computers M2 Pro has 40 billion transistors, 200GB/s bandwidth M3 pro has 37 billion transistors 150GB/s of bandwidth Not the increase transistor density by about 33% compared to 5 nm TSMC states you should get "according to TSMC has stated that its 3 nm chips will reduce power consumption by 25-30% at the same speed, increase speed by 10-15% at the same amount of power and increase transistor density by about 33% compared to its previous 5 nm" but it didn't happen with the N3B node and it affected the M3 for TSMC N3B is not good but apple had no choice but to use this fuse.wikichip.org/news/7375/tsmc-n3-and-challenges-ahead/? The N3B node apple uses is far from fully developed so the TSMC N3B node is not much better than the M2 node which is based TSMC N5P even if apple wants the consumer to believe it and try to get customers to buy products based on TSMC N3B just because these are made on 3nm but an unfinished one with a bad prestandard That the N3B node had problems you could already see on the A17 pro chip, it doesn't come close to what TSMC states that the 3 nano meter node should be able to achieve neither in energy efficiency nor in performance and Apple's M3 chip is based on the A17 pro architecture Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 4 which, according to tests, has the same or better capacity than Apple's M2 chip Qualcomm Snapdragon is based on TSMC N4 nodes which are now well proven and have good yield as it looks now, the TSMC N4 node is no worse than the TSMC N3B node so that Qualcomm's new Snapdragon uses TSMC N4 is logical apple jumped on the N3 node too early with the consequence that this performs worse than what a 3nm node should do according to TSMC and what apple hoped for TSMC N3B has a very bad yield rate of just 55%, far below the standard which makes this extremely expensive to manufacture now Apple only paying for qualified circuits TSMC pay the rest TSMC sees it as a development cost to get a working 3 nm production with a reasonable yield rate technode.com/2023/07/17/tsmcs-3nm-yield-rate-reportedly-just-55-with-apple-only-paying-for-qualified-circuits/ when TSMC has better control of 3nm manufacturing and better yield, which TSMC will probably get with the N3P node that TSMC expects to come out in 2024 i had waited until apple release the M4 chip before i had upgraded to a new apple MacBook Pro and kept my M1 M2 I MacBook Pro these are enough for 99% of all users there are too few advantages to upgrade to an M3 machine at the price apple wants I also attach a video that shows how greedy apple is if they want they can have replaceable SSDs see below kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4OanmeXit17ma8si=HZGHGS-jb8HO4Trc I'll end with something funny kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3zQZmCgirmFg68si=2Q_M6PGGXMaCasZj kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGarnKCQpZJsbM0si=GWaVlVPuySgO26LI

[@raheelmohammed7966]

One thing I hate about the MacBooks is the notch. I wonder why the iPads don’t have it

[@lauracollins1366]

Well looks like I’m getting the 16” one. Running the 15.6” 2018 Intel MBP

[@bryanwoolbertmusic]

I want to know how the 16 inch performs after 5-7 hours of using 50-75% CPU.

[@mat33o]

Good material. One thing, you're recommending 16" over 14", but you didn't mention about their price.

[@rmatveev]

5:54 - have you mixed up 14 with 16 inch score here?

[@nuclearchef-san8304]

The TL;dr (too long didn’t read) on this video if you compare spec for spec ,the 16 inch versus the 14 inch models, yeah the 14 throttles all that performance you want , just get the 16 inch M3max at base specs, and work up your way from there on whatever you need most!

[@Yewbzee]

5:50 your graphic slide for the surface temp is labelled the wrong way round. You have the 14” at the lower temp.

[@Icecold_Art]

I guess that we'll have to wait to be on that optimized 3nm process for lower temps and better fan noise for that higher end configurations. I personally am Sticking to my my 13'' M1 Macbook pro for my photoshop work on the go and will get the M3 Pro Mac mini, good enough for most tasks anyway...

[@arlencarlson]

Yes, I am betting their M3's this year are not using the optimized 3nm process. These machines were sort of rushed to market for Apple to be first to the game. If rumours are correct, next year the M4's will be a re-design with the new process. Waiting to see what happens then.

[@Icecold_Art]

@@arlencarlson What I found over the years, that's it's best to hide under the rock for some hardware releases, do not research, do not be temted to "upgrade" as we usually do not evem need them. It's just marketing teams doing their job to sway you to think you DO need to do it. To be honest My M1 Macbook Pro served and still serves me well, only think I wish I had is more ram, but that's no always the problem as well. But having that extra 2GB ram instead of 16, could possible be the sweetspot.

[@YeeLer]

I’m still waiting for m3 16gb vs m3 pro 18gb. Thanks maxtech for all the good works.

[@linken_lp]

Wish there was a Lightroom test and exporting on photos put on this test. Good job anyhow

[@moreiratemneanu2976]

You have an error on 5:55. The values are swapped.

[@MrLeonardoVZLA]

Nice! Max can you make a video comparing the binned M3 Max against the none binned 16 inch?

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

128gb unified ram... so how much actual ram is there?

[@stevenkong8837]

Thanks a lot for doing this test. It really helped me deciding which one to buy.

[@peterthe46er]

Thank you for changing the song.

[@marcsugier]

anyone hearing a clicking and popping sound before fan starts ramping ?

[@daveadams6421]

It's not looking good for the M3 MBA which will have serious overheating issues

[@peterotremba8980]

Omg, I love these comparison videos!!!

[@frankspark]

Would a laptop cooling pad make a noticeable difference with the 14"?

[@JustinGladden]

YES!!!!! Thank you for using a new song! So refreshing!

[@thelifeofsarath]

Great Comparison! Thanks for the video, it helped me decide which one to choose between 14inch and 16inch

[@jlf_]

The PowerBank looks like a bomb and will get you in trouble at the airport 😂

[@edwarddebruyn8717]

Would have been nice to see a 500 RAW to Jpeg exports from LR instead of 50...Friendly greetings

[@alexsolovev228]

The portable charger looks like a bomb, so I'm not sure if it is airline safe

[@JoeDogInKC]

You should test the package power throttling theory by super cooling the 14”. Get a large pan filled with ice and cover it with plastic. Set the 14” on that and let it get nice and cool. Then rerun the comparison and see if the 14” improves.

[@MiguePizar]

Just like I told you, I knew it, but other reviewers don't know or do this comparison, but you do the most thorough reviews of all, now can't wait for mine to arrive today. Thanks for the video

[@andycuyler6675]

I still bought the 14 inch so much more portable and looks better as well in my opion !

[@zoltanzana]

With the Pro chip, not with the max chip

[@archilious]

This is the very important question to be asked! tnx for the video.

[@aa_aviation54]

Is it the same with the M3 and M3 pro or just the Max chip?