(1428) Challenge: Ontario Corrections

[@slinkytreekreeper]

Jesus Bill, please just take 5 mins to make some followers that vary in sizes by a mm and you will NEVER have this issue again. Not like you don't have the gear to sort it. You have every tool on the planet but still refuse to make followers to prevent this mess. Madness

[@bosnianbill]

I hear you and feel the same frustration. It isn't as easy as you suggest, however, but if I DID decide to go this route to account for manufacturer's inconsistencies, let's see what it would look like: There are three primary diameters (0.398, 0.498, and 0.550). Each have four possible "tips" (flat, hollow, half moon, and two quarter moons). Cutting a tool 1mm larger for a 5mm increment would require 20 followers FOR EACH diameter, meaning I'd have 63 followers sitting on my bench. THAT is the definition of madness. Would you prefer that I do a trial run off camera, get the picking order memorized, and practice gutting the lock a few times with the proper picks, tensioners, and gutting tools laid out, THEN record the video in 5 minutes instead of my normal 15+ minutes? This is what almost everyone ELSE does for their lock picking videos. Would you prefer that, or would you prefer to see what MOST people will experience when picking their locks for the firs time? When I make videos I intend them to be a realistic representation of what you will encounter. They aren't perfect. They aren't scripted. The locks aren't pre-picked with the binding order memorized. Picking locks in real-time isn't easy and you'll encounter all KINDS of unexpected things, especially if every lock you face is either a custom lock or from a manufacturer you rarely see.

[@FieroFats]

@@bosnianbill You make a good point. I like your videos with the trail and error stuff. I'm learning... Hopefully.

[@khaitomretro]

1000 locks, 500 lock picks, 75 tensioning tools, 6 followers.

[@gullreefclub]

I like the fact that Bill shows that he is human and that his videos are not polished to perfection

[@johncashwell1024]

@Corey Lambrecht LPL can't help it; like myself, he is an attorney and many of us have a bit OCD and perfectionism. LPL, like BosnianBill, will never edit anything out of his videos because he wants to show that he is truly picking the lock open (or honestly doing whatever it is he purports to be doing). That said, I do agree that LPL does too many "practice runs" off camera before recording the "main event". I would really like to see LPL do some videos showing "1st attempts".

[@The_RC_Guru]

I’m not even interested in lock picking lol. I just watch you and the LPLawyer because I find it interesting and you two talk calm and aren’t gimmicky.

[@ramrod126]

I wasn't interested either, That was a couple years ago. Then I made my own pick and tensioner out of bobby pins. Now I have a couple lock pick kits and intend to expend my collection. It seems to be a bit addictive.

[@NeoAcario]

@@ramrod126 I watched it at first because it was interesting... after a couple months. Yeah. Now, 2 years later, I've picked every padlock and doorlock I have a couple of times. It's a nice little skill to have. Can easily see it coming in handy.

[@ccmogs5757]

Start picking , it gets very involving :)

[@wesdresen9994]

I love it when they fall apart

[@jdshenanigans9265]

Great video honest and to the point dont need to apologise for that gutting ive done worse never sneeze when re pinning it gose everywhere lol wife keeps finding Spring's and pinns every time she hoovers . She wants a metal detector hose so she can help me keep the parts lol

[@MichaelBerthelsen]

JD shenanigans If you have one of the old hoovers with a steel pipe, just stick a heavy duty magnet on there, ought to help you recover your lost gear when the wife gets going. 😉

[@jdshenanigans9265]

@@MichaelBerthelsen great idea but brass springs and brass pins aren't magnetic. Use a garret carrat lol

[@MichaelBerthelsen]

JD shenanigans Haha, true! Sorry, too used to working with steel pins and springs...😅

[@jeremiahkennedy1683]

I like how when your stuck on a lock you stop put down the pick and pick up a rake, because it often works for me as well. Great pickin' Bill the my ssdev kit is my go to when I get stuck.

[@Daddypants11]

I hate to admit it, but I enjoy gutting disasters lol... Sorry Bill.

[@bosnianbill]

It IS half the fun, isn't it? I don't LIKE it when it happens but at least we all learn something new when it does. With all these custom made challenge locks there is no WAY you can anticipate what the builder put in them - they are definitely non-standard...

[@prereitz]

That corrections guy has some neat tools. Love the video keep them going thank you

[@anonpers0n]

Hi Bill, I started watching your videos about a year ago sense then I've got some picks, learned to open all the locks I have access to. Not that I'm good at it, I'm not I assure everyone but this is a pretty decent hobby for a blind guy with too much time on his hands.. All the best and thanks for the many hours of amusement... I split my time 60/40 FL/MN and I can't seem to get a clear answer as to weather I can add a few picks to my EDC.. input welcome.

[@bradw0535]

Very generous box of goodies, and excellent challenge lock, Mr. Appleton... corrections officer... sir! :-) Way to stick with it Bill, just goes to show, one can NEVER have too many picks!

[@JAKEWJONES]

Tell Mr Corrections that you are going to put 1000 of those tiny plastic handcuff keys on one of your drones and fly it over the prison yard and dump them out, so all the people who are in for victimless crimes can escape.

[@ComfortablyDumb42069]

I've heard prisons have started putting nets over the outdoor areas from so many people using drones to smuggle, although those tiny ass keys would probably fit through a net 😂

[@RWBHere]

Is Mr.Appleton a sadistic professional locksmith who works in a correctional facility on weekends for light relief? 😉 Great video, Bill. You show us the reality of the challenges of the hobby, no a polished end result. Your videos are much better for their spontaneity. Thank-you.

[@jarekdesign1]

Bill, don't worry about baseless comments. It's good that you shoot live videos because they are real and not faked. Only person does not make any mistakes, who only sits in front of the monitor and does nothing but complain. Your and LockPickingLawyer videos have inspired me so much that now I am trying to pick found or bought locks myself. Greetings from Chicago.

[@adamwest8711]

I think this is the first time I’ve seen an empty comment section... Anyway, enjoy the mints. Great video. Gives me some ideas on picking a stock wink haus sat in my naughty bucket 👍 Edit: It worked!! Thanks Bill. This feeling right here, that’s why I keep clicking, keep liking and stay subscribed 😃

[@vortraz2054]

The auto focus is real

[@THR33STEP]

I’m sure even professional locksmiths are drooling at his setup!!

[@bosnianbill]

I agree, especially that commercial tubular key cutting machine! WOW! Those are pretty rare and NOT cheap.

[@geronimo5537]

I worked in Corrections for seven years in US Kansas. These types of locks are on basically every standard door for rooms or exterior entry or exit points. The most complicated design I have seen/used has been key code, ID card slide, high security lock like the one in the video, and electronic magnetic locking all wrapped up in one door. The most basic, some standard bailing wire wrapped around a nail that everyone refused to fix. lol Rule #1 everyone goes home is a term in law enforcement pretty much world wide. Regardless of how hell-ish and insane the day is, make sure those around you stay safe as possible or do all in your ability to make it safe regardless of threat to self. The idea is so everyone can return home to their families. Though not everyone gets to go home the way they came into work and some will only return home to be buried.

[@knoblick7536]

Never met an easy winkhaus. Class vid bill.

[@DonzLockz]

Man! Mr Appleton has a better setup than you Bill. We're all drooling. Tough lock, sorta went okay. Lol

[@DimitarGospodinov]

Next time try turning the key before dumping the top pins, this way the key pins will stay in the core... :D lol

[@user-rw3qq2sr1z]

Brutal, just Brutal ! Great pickin', Bill ! 😉👍

[@freshgino]

That cylinder you thought was ILCO is actually Dominion Lock Co.... it was basically Canada’s “Yale” for a long long time until (ironically) company’s like Illco started making blanks for DL locks and the company folded in the mid 80’s putting lots of people out of work. There were many court cases about who should be allowed to make blanks for who and unfortunately DL couldnt survive. Their headquarted I believe were either in Ottawa or Montreal. Very rare to see one brand new, like that with original keys. I’ll take it if one of you is sending it around!

[@groermaik]

I worked for the MDOC for thirty years and will totally agree with Mr. Appleton that rule #1 is a constant. Staff might get -uhh - hurt, but everyone goes home. Everyday, at least one supervisor stood at the the time clock with a list to make sure everyone went home. Even after we went to electronic ID cards, I had someone say goodnight. Goodnight, Bill.

[@geronimo5537]

seven years in the Kansas DoC or KDOC here. we also had rule #1 and it seems to be the same worldwide interesting enough. but for us, we took the rule as, we would all work together to bring everyone home even if that meant unnecessary risk to ourselves. ive seen some pretty rough scars left from officers going into the fight to pull out other officers. it might of been stupid to take such risks in the moment. but not seeing your friend taken to morgue was worth it enough.

[@doublejaylar]

At least nothing went shooting across the lab & everything is still there! It could've been far more catastrophic. I love those little brass 65/25 Abus locks. They are fantastic for learning tensioning & to feel counter rotation from spool pins!

[@cptnjoe5027]

Those are like center folds for Bill.

[@smoothpicker]

I thought I had some locks lol, that man has the locks!!

[@hobanagerik]

I learn more from when things go wrong than right. Hopefully I know what to do to avoid that.

[@MerkDolf]

Bill thank you this was fun and it seems you were having fun as well

[@cherokee8647]

Put that pick in a frame and buy a dozen! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Great picking as usual Bill. Filmed my first two videos and was knocking over camera, searching for pins. So I relate. 👀

[@Evanvictor127]

Are the doubled up springs a characteristic of Winkhaus or is it an attempt to reduce feedback from the pins?

[@Charlielizard]

Thanks again for another great video. Keep them coming.

[@goneutt]

That is a bonker's keyway, violating various rules from my classes in design of mechanical shapes. I would love to see the broach that shaped it, but I'm also curious about how the keys are made.

[@numbr6]

In stunning 4K blur-vision up to about 8:30. :) I think the challenge for that lock was in the gutting, not the picking.

[@Talatharas]

I wonder if there's any 'curved' picks for locks like this.. that you can worm up... has the straight haft but at the very tip it has a slight bend or curve for these unique channels?

[@ramrod126]

LMAO at that amount of stuff. I have two pick kits and a couple old weekly pill organizers with pins in them.

[@curthatt6461]

Great picking! Too funny. She just spilled over on ya!

[@lockmania-locks]

Wow he has a Lot of locks and stuff, i would wish i had as many

[@prod805212]

I laughed so hard!! Well done, Bill.

[@tonyholt90]

That was so challenging from the start with the keyway!

[@Smeggit7]

Maybe you should visit Mt Appleton at his work, I'd be curious to see if you can pick a cell door.

[@bigMmarshall]

Hey not bad, damn this guys setup is a dream come true

[@sobertillnoon]

I know you hate the gutting disasters, Bill. But we love it.

[@emanonevahisey5841]

Yes that was a mess of picks used to get into that Winkhaus. BUT!! You didn't break any of them, DOUBLE WIN!! Could've been a TRIPLE WIN if the gutting hadn't gone south. :-)

[@bosnianbill]

I hear you but even if I had seen a drawing of that lock annotated with a disassembly note, I think it STILL would've gone South. Some things you just can't anticipate when gutting blind.

[@Mybeardog]

Awesome opening graphics brother !

[@jfwfreo]

Wow, that guy has more gear (locks, keys, machines etc) than many professional-grade locksmiths :)

[@ryanstevens199]

Yessss. Gutting disaster. At least this one went caddywhompus in a different way.

[@mugenv]

What a hellish lock.

[@seanshields86]

Shout out to my corrections Canada brothers.

[@AThreeDogNight]

That's one hell of a lock!!!!!!! Glad we never had those.

[@-a6833]

Why don't we have like curved picks? Like a 0.025 sideways snakerake or something, specially for keyways like this? I've seen evvas and some doms with similar keyways

[@Polite_Cat]

it sounds like the sound peak detector is a little too sensitive and cuts off sounds for a second or so sometimes. its jarring to hear sudden silence for a second or two. maybe others think the wrapping is too loud but it seems fine to my headphones.

[@goneutt]

There's a certain NASCAR factor to watching you take a lock apart.

[@roysammons2445]

What's the point of passive pins?

[@michaelzborovan4362]

What i found was very large copper colored staples inboxes that some of the food comes in in the kitchen in NYS DOCCS…. Just sayin.

[@Pyrolock]

Bill, don't get to "flustered" by Mr. Appleton -- I might have gone for a bigger hammer! Perhaps Wink "OUT"' Haus

[@thumperlockpicking9269]

I'M SO CONFUSED!!!

[@skygh]

I guess there are still some things in life we can count on. These are evil tough locks with standard pinning.

[@nrowlett]

I saw, Potti314 in his channel's Wink Haus video. (Picking 620) He tensioned that lock in a very interesting manner. Exploiting the wide slot milled past the keyway since they're *very thick keys*... Check it out. Not sure how similar these are to each other. Potti's was a Euro Cylinder version but the wide slot looks very very much the same. - Great looking locks, they look so intimidating.

[@kevinkelley3657]

The most appropriate tool would have been a drill

[@overlordcacius]

The real challenge. Gutting it lol

[@Polite_Cat]

id like it without the gutting warning! it makes it more suspenseful and keeps it a surprise.

[@rob32pigboy]

you and LPL are 2 people i would love to share a bottle of good scotch with and have a good yarn about locks and the world my 2 favorite you tubers GREAT WORK GREAT SKILLS

[@metalmanglingmariner]

Looked like a great challenge

[@zahialsalman]

I bet this guy even bought the key cutters in bulk 😂

[@Cordo.Z67]

Can you review/test the abus mini 410 ulock pls

[@SecretSquirrelFun]

You started off saying that you’re going to tension counter clockwise and then I noticed that you were tensioning clockwise - I’m confused 😐

[@lmars5933]

DISASTER BILL. LOL ..BUT WHAT A COME BACK. LOL LOL ..😎

[@beave200]

Hey Bill, i doubt you will see this but ive been playing around and learning how to pick locks as well as building them. I have one that im kind of proud of and I would love to send it to you to try and open. I was basically td by a locksmith that even though ive spent 15 years learning the skills that I have and learned how to bypass security for other jobs I apparently know nothing and am worth no more than minimum wage to people like him. So if anyone knows how I can send one of my custom locks to bill please let me know.

[@bosnianbill]

Beave200, Sorry, man. I stopped accepting challenge locks over a year ago and posted my reasoning on YT, Twitter, LockLab.com, and other places. In case you missed it, here is what I posted: ------------------------------------------------------------- The "Challenge Lock" series has come to an end. Not only am I out of the "Whipped" PacLocks, but there were many other things that I took into consideration. 1. Cost. Every day I was receiving between 5-10 locks from around the world. I had to return most of them to the owner, which was a SIGNIFICANT expense - always more than $500/month but sometimes approaching $1000. What little I receive in viewer support was quickly consumed in return postage. I was spending several hundred dollars of my own money every month just to return locks. 2. Quality. Some locks were well designed and contained some unique innovations, but they were few and far between. Most "challenge locks" were threaded chambers with serrated pins built on old,beaten up Kwikset cores. The number of trap pins and super springs has continued to increase as copycats realized this might be a way to get a "Whipped" PacLock - meaning I was breaking and bending more expensive picks. I found this very discouraging. 3. Time. Unpacking, picking, disassembling, repacking, answering emails, etc. Each challenge lock took a lot of time to figure out and then return - even if I did not make a video of it. I was spending most of my time setting up and videoing locks that turned out to be copycats of other people's ideas - meaning I could not post the video for fear of viewers saying "WHAT? Another Kwikset with threaded chambers?" 4. Viewer Interest. My goal with LockLab was to remain "New Picker Friendly" and attract new members to LockSport, but LockLab was quickly becoming the "Challenge Lock Channel", interesting to only a limited number of people with advanced skills. Every time I posted a challenge lock video people complained and unsubscribed to the channel. New pickers were overwhelmed by the complexity of challenge locks and became discouraged. My analytics were very clear on this: If I want to lose subscribers all I needed to do was post a challenge lock video. 5. Channel growth. The LockLab's growth was stagnating and I needed to change something before it was too late. Since I stopped doing challenge locks the number of subscribers has increased, the number of comments increased, "likes" went up, and the channel has grown. So, yes. I stopped making challenge lock videos. It was not an easy decision but I could not afford to continue doing it for all of these reasons. The money saved from NOT returning challenge locks I am now spending on locks - and have been doing so for the past month or two. I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to return to picking real-world locks in a wide variety. It is good for me (mentally), as well as good for LockLab. bill

[@beave200]

@@bosnianbill fair enough, i missed that video though. Thank you for responding though. You really inspired me to up my game when modifying.

[@4lifejeph]

So from watching this video and seeing how hard it is to pick it because of the keyway why arnt all locks made like this? Seems like it should be an industry-standard.

[@adamwest8711]

4lifejeph - I think what makes it hard is that there are so many variables. If every lock had the same set-up in terms of keyway or whatever, it’d stop being a challenge because all your picks and tensioners would be designed to deal with just that one.

[@johngraesser4911]

The more complicated the keyway, the more complicated the broach, the tool forced through to shave the keyway open. With a really oddly shaped keyway it would take multiple broaches done one after the other. All that takes extra time. Which for a commercial operation is more cost, which gets passed on to the customer as a higher price.

[@b.a.lineman7582]

I’d like the seemingly stock sergeants picked before you make them challenge locks n send them to LPL😂

[@gregwilson3356]

Bill can you show a video on reverse picking

[@raen6336]

Closing a lock?

[@gregwilson3356]

No reverse pickiing is when you use bottom of the keyway turn your pick upside down press all the pins to the top of the key way as tenison is applied pull the pick out

[@thk.g00fy]

Yeah .. Wink Haus ... German lock, can only be defeated by a German pick. x'D

[@-DJ234]

I think you jinxed yourself with the disaster imminent comment. Still way better than i could've done.

[@jaredmeit6127]

Man! That keyway was a nightmare. By the way, the audio cut out a few times for a split second.

[@bosnianbill]

It was probably the deEsser. It is impossible to use the deEss filter without clipping occasionally since I speak at varying volumes. Better the infrequent clip than a stream of complaints about my S's.

[@RWBHere]

@@bosnianbill Cannot say that I noticed any dropouts here - which shows how fascinating the video is. Thanks Bill.

[@chicknchili]

I am a collector of vintage fare boxes for buses. I have one that has a medico lock but no key. Is it a possibility that I send it to you and you open it and make me a key? Thanks

[@false-set]

He could maybe open it... But you'll have to find a medeco dealer. It's a very specialised key cutting machine.

[@false-set]

You could maybe try the lp101 forum, maybe Reddit.... You might find someone with a medeco key cutter.

[@bosnianbill]

Sorry Kim, I am not a licensed locksmith and cannot legally offer locksmithing services. Besides, picking Medeco locks is...iffy...at best, they are VERY tough locks to pick open without spending hours on them trying to find the correct combination of pin height AND angle. Lastly, cutting a Medeco key requires a specialized key cutting machine (which I do not have) and the key card with the magnetic strip containing the key code. Sorry. I'd advise taking it to a local locksmith for him to drill out and replace with a brand new Medeco core.

[@jackwarneckii4406]

Why is it that you use shims?

[@rileyfenley522]

Ben M Ideally they can be slid between the key pins & driver pins and the follower can pass smoothly through and are supposed to reduce the lock spilling its guts. The most helpful place for me is to prevent the driver pins & springs from falling in the little slit between the rear of the core & the front of the follower jamming up the lock.

[@demetriusboyle5165]

Give it to lock noob or lock picking lawyer

[@PDeRop]

You hate when this happens Bill.. I understand that. But you sir, underestimate, the entertainment value... or maybe not, because you still upload the video. It makes us all feel a little less idiots about lockpicking. Yessss.. that's what it is.

[@brownbeard4088]

New to picking.... Picked every lock in my house ... Anyone here have a old locks to exchange to swap around? im located in Ontario Canada Cheers

[@jdorffer]

Always try the key 🔑 when done picking

[@macnutz4206]

In jail you might use the wires in people's dental work, partial plates, etc.

[@ronmoore6598]

As a side note, what's the deal with a new title sequence it seems like every episode? You must have a friend or family member who's into graphic design or photoshop as a hobby!

[@adamwest8711]

Anyone else get a bit of a Hicock45 vibe from Bill?

[@murdoch451]

Welcome to my world of lockpicking Bill, only been doing it five years now.

[@3DMegadoodoo]

That's all very impressive in un-civilized countries where you can't just say "give me an ABLOY".

[@-a6833]

You been in jail often Bill?

[@vijaybhogal456]

Bill did you use to be a locksmith?

[@abailey1086]

Vijay Bhogal cop

[@abailey1086]

He was a cop

[@scarz1951]

Yup

[@Syrnian]

XD

[@brocksmith9714]

Water turbine

[@Pozi_Drive]

Are locks male? I'd say they're female, so they are gals, not guys...

[@bigdipper1454]

65/25 not 62/25 there bill. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. YOU are making the LS community look like illiterate beings.

[@Nathan-wr8gh]

First

[@jarekdesign1]

Bill, don't worry about baseless comments. It's good that you shoot live videos because they are real and not faked. Only person does not make any mistakes, who only sits in front of the monitor and does nothing but complain. Your and LockPickingLawyer videos have inspired me so much that now I am trying to pick found or bought locks myself. Greetings from Chicago.