15 South Africa-The Dutch Cape Colony

[@corazoncubano5372]

An excellent, and informative series. As a history lover, I find South African history particularly interesting and intriguing. I would like to see the rest of the series. Thank you.

[@murungiinnocent6822]

Nice

[@farhanafrancis5391]

I agree .how interesting.

[@ZeroFortyFive]

Brilliant presentation, thank you very much!

[@imeldamayer-taylor2783]

Thank you , I enjoyed your video. Cape Coloured, 12 different nationalitiey , DNA test. Thank you for highlighting the diversity of the Cape Coloureds.

[@muffzy]

What were the 12?

[@grahamsolomons453]

Ive got 16 different nationalities.@@muffzy

[@warrennelson5190]

Do you know of a reliable database for DNA testing in our region (Western Cape) . I am interested is testing my family tree as a Camissa African (cape colored)

[@eugeniogaldon2471]

really well explained. thanks!

[@sbudayoutuber]

This is actually used as academic study material at Unisa (university of south africa)

[@maddog.mcewan]

loved it.... well researched and presented !!!! well done !

[@gooieboerseun]

Ditto....thanks for s super insight.

[@phillipalexander928]

Well done on a fair and balanced presentation of a very contentious and emotive issue (as is reflected in the comments). As a "so-called Coloured", exploring more of my genetic pool, family tree and country at large; I believe you have done justice to the complexities and nuances of the history of this most beautiful part of Africa. My parting comment to everyone, local and international is always; come visit and see for yourselves. It is a trip well worth taking.

[@capeofstormz5974]

I was born in Cape Town.My mom's family looks Malaysian/Indonesian and father's family looks Indian.I am a mix of both and is classified a 'Cape Coloured'.My surname is Erasmus which is originally Dutch and most people here with this surname are white.

[@MarkErasmus-qs5ig]

So true my surname itself it's Erasmus and like I'm hearing from my dad his father side are white, but the surname are dutch

[@oscarhitzeroth3251]

Good presentation tx!

[@michaelwade4922]

Thanks. Interesting lecture

[@nokuthulafebronia8420]

Interesting study and very well explained

[@sunkem6417]

Thank you for letting us know the truth albeit we knew the truth, it was fun hearing it from you.

[@Marius-bf3mc]

On what page of Jan Van Riebeeck's journal is the meeting between him and the "Captains"?

[@goodafy]

Please has the full manuscript of jan van ribek diary being published, if yes where can I get it to study? Useful history facts!!!

[@simpslayer7839]

Check Klip Kop KZbin channel

[@sbudayoutuber]

Who is watching this from UNiSA🙋‍♂

[@NuanceWithNiki]

Explains it so well for a non South African. Impressive

[@user-hb6yf6lw4d]

So interesting

[@yaqinsayed5249]

Hi I have one question, how did Jan van Riebeeck move the ocean

[@silentautisticdragon-kp9sw]

This is sooooo interesting.

[@elaineduplooy5584]

So true, it does make sense

[@chrisanderson5725]

Sure they crashed but he's referring to the Dutch landing at Cape point in general,hence the bigging of the Dutch settlement was established....

[@pub666pub]

Where could I find the remaining lectures please?

[@12Arrancar]

the other lectures are on my youtube channel, here is the playlist kzbin.info/aero/PLNb9wjrVRm597uOZ1lsKrIdruznBqrxzs you can buy the lectures here if you want www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/african-experience-from-quot-lucy-quot-to-mandela.html

[@pub666pub]

Thank you very much

[@haadidave]

These are the most helpful comments in this section. Thank you

[@weeznax]

The coloured people of south africa are not exclusively of the labour class' descent. Many coloureds are also of black and white decent and in the inner parts of south africa such as johannesburg, have their own culture and ethnic identity, which some would even consider seperate to the coloured people of the cape

[@weeznax]

talk2me9ja what bullshit are you on about? Maybe phrase the question properly and ill reply genuinely

[@weeznax]

talk2me9ja they did not. In south africa, coloured is mixed race. They did not exist before european arrival

[@keanancelie137]

W3EzNaX u a dum racist fuck...coloured forefathers where here long before u zulu people...

[@groundhogguns5828]

colonization the best thing to ever happen to SA.thanks whitey.I have wi fi and loads of other super cool shit because of you.from a "mixed race" .Go fuck yourself

[@weeznax]

Groundhog Guns hostile... Do u even know what race i am? You made an assumption. Fuck you

[@kayserinstituteofsecurity]

My statement is all of us in Southern Africa has dutch surnames due to matrimonial intermarriage not as a result of rape. If it indeed was rape than no adoption of surnames would have been done. Kroatoa and Pieter Van Meerhoff were indeed joint in civil union within the Dutch East India company era.

[@ianmangham4570]

Oi! You, HELLO FROM GREAT BRITAIN.

[@YuhhWIS]

why is this video always in my recommended

[@ianwhyte826]

Verys goods !

[@ianmangham4570]

Good, very good.

[@henniendamba4586]

Am this from south Africa

[@lucius1976]

So, how was that different from what happened in North America? Strange that an American scrutinizes the history of South Africa in that detail. Maybe some comparisons should be made between those both cases.

[@weeznax]

lucius1976 in what way was there scrutiny? He compared the colonisation of the cape to the colonisation of america, with absolutely no scrutiny towards either piece of history

[@weeznax]

talk2me9ja i never disputed that. They were still similar in many aspects as well though, which are the very aspects compared

[@Kaz.inavoid]

i fell asleep but still enjoyed

[@rodelyntigumanprivate5183]

Daming kalabaw kmi sa mindanao

[@allisonannseptember5545]

As a coloured born in Cape Town I believe everything said about the coloured race. I have a slave surname . It's September and it was given to the slaves who had no identity. Months of the year was given to them as a surname. I am a coloured and so is my ex husband but none of my kids are dark they sometimes are mistaken by for Mexicans or Latino by tourist as my daughters worked in the tourist industry.

[@lebohangmoitse1621]

Now this is a histotian

[@warrennelson5190]

Thanks for the presentation. As I've just read an excellent book on the subject by Patrick Tariq Mellet called The Lie of 1652. We are beginning to uncover the the true story of if how the Crime of European incursion in Africa began in the south. Link to Mr Mellet's introduction to an explanation of his book kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJ7WgImiqKeNnZIsi=64yD_RuZJzHy0ue0

[@lubabalomnguni8760]

people the dutch didnt stop at table bay they CRASHED!

[@seamonster936]

Lubabalo Mnguni He is referring to the fact that a VOC ship stranded between what is now Table Bay and Saldanha Bay. The entire crew and more importantly the cargo survived. This convinced the company's directors that one of these bays would make for a favourable maritime station. Previously the Heeren XVII resisted, since they were hesitant to spend money and the fact that most of their sailors died of scurvy was seen as acceptable.

[@katialourenco836]

Lubabalo Mnguni They definitely stopped for fresh water, food etc.

[@pmolapo]

A few convenient points here 1 European colonisers came to South Africa and found it conveniently empty except for a few khoi at the strand. 2 Then black people migrated Just In Time from northern Africa to meet white settlers at the cape, not some 500 years earlier or later,....but exactly on time. 3 Then some Rambo character called Shaka just woke up one day and decided to kill millions of Africans as far as 500 to 2000 kilometers round trip on foot, ...without food or horses(Africans didn't have horses then) leaving his tribe(wives and kids) vulnerable to invasion and hunger, and he singlehandedly killed tribe after tribe after tribe from KZN, to Lesotho to Jo'burg to Pretoria to Petersburg,....without losing to any of these tribes, with the only aim of making "empty land" available to the white settlers. 4 The khoi in the cape conveniently stole cattle from the white settlers who didn't have cattle in the first place.

[@groundhogguns5828]

don't care.made SA cosmopolitan

[@pmolapo]

@ you make it sound like prior to 1652 the Bantu and the khoi had absolutely nothing to do with each other, my friend centuries before 1652, the San adopted the khoi lifestyle, in fact San is a derogatory word meaning "without livestock" their actual name is Xam! Ka Eis, the San didn't keep livestock, the khoi did, the San were more primitive than the khoi, who in turn were more primitive than the Bantu, the San and Bantu lived as neighbours for centuries, the Bantu were iron ore miners and they traded with the Arabs, Chinese, Portuguese et.c , supplying iron ore, gold, glass beads, ivory et.c, that was around 600 AD right here in Pretoria, Phalaborwa, Thabazimbi et.c, there's geological, archeological, metallurgical, rock art et.c proof for this. The khoi also gradually adopted the Bantu lifestyle for obvious reasons, trading and village life is better than foraging and hunter-gathering, so before 1652 there were already thousands of people of mixed genes( khoi-tswana/ khoi-xhosa) due to intermarriages and lifestyle adoption. A lot of the people in areas like Mafikeng, Kimberly, Kuruman, call themselves Tswana but they're actually khoi, ....just like german-jews are actually Jews but they call themselves Germans. And the Zulus actually never killed anybody, Shaka never left KZN, only Mzilikazi migrated north, Fengu migrated South and joined the Xhosa's et.c. Most other tribes outside KZN are in tact and they never came into contact with the Zulus, I.e Sotho, Tswana, bapedi, venda Ndebele(not the fake ones in Zim, those are Khumalo Zulus and not Ndebele, real Ndebele are indigenous to JHB, PTA and Petersburg)

[@mariannewinter7910]

I think you're sick Shaka didn't marry and had no wives by choice. You are African. How about checking your history even if you are not Zulu. Shaka was never near Pretoria, it was Mzilikazi. Furthermore, why would Shaka 'empty' land to give to the whites? Please don't bother to answer. I am not interested in hysterics.

[@pmolapo]

Marianne Winter Eurocentric colonised history is 95% lie, example, the Voortrekkers met the Xhosa at fish river, therefore the Xhosa arrived at fish river in 1771 ? NO, it's the Voortrekkers that arrived there in 1771, the Xhosa had been there for tens of centuries by then. Mzilikazi was never in Pretoria, the indigenous people of Pretoria at that time were the Ndebele, under King Mafana, King Tshwane, King Mhlanga, King Musi, King Manala etc, in succession, in the period between 1600 and Late 1800, none of them mentioned him, but they did mention Voortrekkers, Bhurger, Kruger, Potgieter and others. Logically how does one go from KZN to Zim yet pass by Pretoria ? The people in Rozvi and Bulawayo in Zim are not Ndebele, they are Zulu( Khumalo/Mtungwa clan) their language is nowhere near Ndebele.

[@mariannewinter7910]

I am not European but African born. I also happen to be an academic. The Great Trek started in 1836 not 1771. There were no such things as the Voortrekkers in 1771. The Matabele are descended from those of Mzilikazi who fled over the Drakensberg from Shaka and it was he who massacred the Sotho and others in that territory and there are written records of this. Mzilikazi fled to Rhodesia when the Voortrekkers entered the Transvaal as he could not resist their guns. Simple logistic fact. The Xhosa were the most southerly of the Africans who were slowly migrating south. I never said the Ndebele were not in the Transvaal but the Transvaal is a long way from the Cape - Western or Southern - where the KhoiKhoi and San had been for millions of years and there is archaeological and genetic evidence of this. So get rid of your hate for the white man and learn something about your own and South African history and don't try to distort history for your own emotional needs. Further to that the Sotho were clan people not kingdoms. I know the Ndebele had kings. I understand you are Ndebele and that's fine and it is good to be proud of your race and people but there are many people in the world, not only you. You should be proud that you are part of a multi-ethnic racial land instead of trying to destroy it. Not everyone is so lucky. I wish you well.

[@tropicalparadisesmoothieba8481]

They did not negotiate.

[@peterfrancis3865]

Yes we coloureds did suffer

[@baileygregg6567]

There you go, pity things from a by gone era... Your skin oppresses you just like mine even though every "color" has a history somewhere🙄🌈💀

[@peterfrancis3865]

@@baileygregg6567 the South African Bantus know blaming us coloureds fore apartheid ; how do explain that.

[@baileygregg6567]

@@peterfrancis3865 is this a grammar or spelling issue because something's off

[@peterfrancis3865]

@@baileygregg6567 so you don't feel good if i said Bantus blaming us fore apartheid.

[@baileygregg6567]

@@peterfrancis3865 dear Lord... For* I don't care because I know they are misled and wrong or *woke* ...

[@gustavkriel6638]

Boer = singular, Boere = plural. No Boers

[@schrire39]

in English the plural Boers is acceptable and in common use.

[@simpslayer7839]

SILENCE GRAMMAR BABY

[@peterfrancis3865]

@@schrire39 where did you get that from. Boere not boers. Boere means farmer in English it is not the name of the Dutch ; because we coloureds still speaking our own languages ; because Afrikaans language is 40 % Dutch ; 40 %Indonesia and 20 %of the other slave languages.

[@lucienpetrus6906]

why o why couldnt they just left us alone

[@lookingup3390]

Lucien Petrus why couldn't they have left THE WORLD alone. Spread disaster everywhere

[@liamod3730]

+Looking Up You hate whites because you are jealous they discovered the world. Jealousy is bad for the soul my friend, your using white technologies now

[@lucius1976]

Well, thats what the Germanics could ask Rome, the Christians of North Africa and Middle East could ask Mohammed, the Romans could ask from Attila etc. etc. Stop whining. History is not to blame for all bad that happens in past and future. If you look at what happened after Colonialism in Africa you could argue quite convincely that most Africans just fucked it up afterwards even more.

[@groundhogguns5828]

fuck that.they brought some good shit too.Colonization or SA would be just as shit as the rest of africa

[@user-wz4kp2ix6f]

I was a little disappointed that the lecturer left out the fact that the original "afrikaner" were people of "mixed descent"....i.e. Dutch and Khwe-Xam (Khoi-San) and that at least 80% of modern so-called "afrikaners", have Khwe-Xam (Khoi-San), Asian and West and East African bloodlines. They were not just Dutch, German and French. Particularly those that left Cape Town for farms further inland. The so-called "white" settlers adopted the name "afrikaner" to distinguish themselves from other settlers. Being of mixed descent. Further, not all so-called "coloured" people are of Khwe-Xam, German, French and Dutch Descent. Some, like myself, are of amaXhosa/Mpondo, Irish, Scottish and English Descent. Others, particularly those from Kwa-Zulu Natal, have amaZulu bloodlines.

[@GameRushTVLive]

This is not what our elders tell us , the land was taken by force is what we know while the narrative teaches different literature

[@muffzy]

Because the Bantu weren't at the Cape. He shows a map in the beginning.

[@suppiluiiuma5769]

Translation: I'm going to ignore all of the historical evidence because Gogo said so and it suits me because I can get BEE and free land

[@matthewmann8969]

Harshness

[@ima1sthumanonearth8]

Wood only companies 🤭

[@tropicalparadisesmoothieba8481]

„“Stolen. Stolen land“

[@milpeer2514]

Dutch were devouis They aren't Africans they are Dutch descendants America belongs to the Indian Africa belongs to the black people Australia to the Aboriginals New Zealand to the Maori's The white in Europe

[@pmolapo]

This lecture is so wrong on so many levels, firstly the Khoi and the Bantu populated South Africa at pretty much the same time, which is a couple of thousand years ago, Secondly, by 1652 South Africa was densely(...not thinly) occupied by more than 20 distinctly different tribes other than Khoi and San, throughout Southern Africa, namely the Sotho, Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele, Swati, Venda, Tswana, Pedi, shangani, ovambo, Herero, Shona, Damara et.c.....I suggest you do thorough, unbiased research before teaching lies.

[@AAG981]

So "everybody is a migrant" theory is wrong?

[@zee.garcia_]

camissapeople.wordpress.com/camissa/

[@francois853]

Thole Molapo What are your sources? It happens to be a fact that most of south Africa is semi-desert and the Karoo is only partially arable because of European technologies(incl. boreholes). Europeans encountered the Khoi in the Western Cape but the Xhosa were only encountered once they moved east and crossed the Fish River. www.sahistory.org.za/topic/what-was-south-africa-1750 as an example "By 1750, the Cape was already colonised, there were no African farmers settled there, as the Cape was not suitable for crops that required summer rain."

[@pmolapo]

I happen to be Southern African by birth, my father is from the Ndebele and Shona tribes, my mother from Tswana and khoi, i lives these experiences, i did not google them, my grandparents used to tell us their life experiences. Whos the best person to tell you about southern africa, a european researcher or an indigenous african ?

[@pmolapo]

Francois Scheepers Then why do we have trees, farms and vegetation from Cape to Musina on a semi dessert ? European settlers only discovered black people on the mainland much later, they thought the khoi and san they met at the strand were the only people, Our people the Ndebele in what is now Gauteng, traded with the Arabs and the Portuguese centuries before white people set foot here, history doesnt lie, archeology places the tswana iron ore miners in Gauteng as early as 700AD and before,...how do you explain the great Zimbabwe ruins, ....remember borders only came with whites recently around 1600s

[@marklewis4793]

anybody from Cape Town knows that the south-east wind grounded n grinded those boats into the beach.The mis-education these american propaganda films provides their students is hilarious..."the Liesbeek river valley"..?

[@mariannewinter7910]

Liesbeek river valley existed. It exists even today. My uncle lived in Liesbeck road and I went to UCT so I too know Cape Town.. The lecture was well researched and delivered - even for an American - and infinitely better than some of the comments listed here.

[@thebergbok8279]

Most of the boats wrecked or grinded into the sand, were done so by the notorious north-westerly winter trade winds.The wreck of the Haarlem has just been established in Blaauwberg strand, Table Bay, close to the beach , wrecked in 1646/7. August 2019.The forty survivors who piecemeal returned to the Netherlands reported on the favourable conditions for revictualling ships en route to the Far east ,who were engaged in the profitable spices silks chinaware trade. Fresh water from the tall mountains, fertile soil suitable for growing crops & local sheep & cattle which could be bartered from the various Khoi tribes.On these grounds the Here 17 of the VOC decided to establish a "filling station" as it were, never a colony. Not a black in sight. for over a century when they were first encountered S E about 1000 km from Cape Town near the Kei river, by travelers to the interior. These were the Nguni /Bantu Xhosa people.

[@pappylove8407]

Our history from a white man's perspective 😬

[@AfroForum]

Separating Khoi-san from Africans as always

[@user-vw6bk4pb4l]

Exactly. These people are delusional. Europeans brought toxic racial identity politics and segregation to South Africa. And tell history from that lens too. So called Southern Bantus and KhoiSan are 100% indegenous 'black' 'subsaharan' African people, native to the region. Ethnically distinct but our ancestors were always moving around interacting, mixing and exchanging culture for thousands of years before Europeans arrived. Archeology, shows Bantus reached South Africa by 300AD. And all shades of brown can be found in both Bantus and KhoiSan people. Yet they want to divide Bantus as "black" and KhoiSan as "light." In fact KhoiSan are found in 5+ African countries and there's no racial feud with other "blacks." Except South Africa were coloureds and whites totally distance KhoiSan from other Africas.

[@muffzy]

They are not Nguni, and clearly seperate. Are Chinese and Thai the same?

[@muffzy]

​@@user-vw6bk4pb4l So Mfecane never happened? Lol. Your wakanda "history" is funny.

[@user-vw6bk4pb4l]

@@muffzy What does this have to do with Mfecane?

[@muffzy]

@@user-vw6bk4pb4l Europeans didn't bring toxic racial identity. Tribalism has existed long before the concept of race. You were killing each other long before and after, as shown with Mfecane, Europeans arrived. Acting that it was some utopia is untrue and funny.