15 Video Game Practices That Are PLAGUING GAMERS

[@laurawaterfield838]

In the end the companies and developers are ripping us off and have gotten super greedy. Having to pay for another ending to a game is ridiculous when it should be in the game in the 1st place. Super shady. Another game that did this is Kings Quest. If you bought chapter by chapter you can't get the epilogue. You have to purchase the complete game to get it. So I spent money each time a chapter came out only to be slapped in the face. It's uncompleted because I chose to buy chapters at a time. If the company would have informed us ahead of time. I would have waited for the bloody so called completed game. Rip off and greed as stated before. I refuse to buy extra content that was taken out of the game and being sold. I am not buying season passes anymore as well they are becoming a super big mess. Very good video.You are so true with everything you mentioned. As consumers we need to say no more. Thanks. Cheers

[@gorz2013]

Laura Waterfield kings quest (full game) was free a couple months ago on ps plus.

[@laurawaterfield838]

King-gorz That's the rental. I tried awhile back 2 chapters of another game on ps plus and it didn't run well. I never saw that offer. But the whole point I'm trying to make if you spend chapter by chapter you should be able to get the whole game. I own those chapters were as with rentals there are time limits. Thanks for the comment. Cheers

[@gorz2013]

Laura Waterfield no, its not a rental. its its the full game. i have it on my hard drive right now.

[@laurawaterfield838]

Maybe I'm confusing it with ps now. I don't know how I missed it. But its still unfair to buy the chapters and not get the whole game. Oh well. Ill never buy chapters ever again on any game. I'll never be able to complete the game. Maybe I'll just watch a walkthrough. Thanks for the info.

[@Ridders-yh4nf]

Asuras wrath did this aswell you had to pay to get the full ending bloody crapcom

[@xxxTH3T3ND3Rxxx]

Damn, Destiny getting ripped out here

[@giorgioa.tsoukalos8019]

Connor M yeah.but as much as we love the game...we know its true

[@freakyfro99]

It was mentioned in almost every entry lmao.

[@gorz2013]

Connor M it WAS basicly a massive pile of lies.

[@afischer1903]

Giorgio A. Tsoukalos aaaaliens

[@zombieblood1675]

Destiny is a piece of shit

[@xFinalR3sortx]

This is the main reason y I wait half a year or a year to buy an upcoming game, that way I get the full game including dlc for 60 or less rather than paying 70-110

[@kingquan3826]

xFinalR3sortx same I started doing that after the release of No Man's Sky.

[@PikaLink91]

Demo's are what I loved about XBLA on 360, any game you fancied in the live arcade, you could demo before buying. I downloaded tons of demos, and then bought the ones I liked the best, because the sheer amount of demos encouraged me to try out more and more games, eventually leading to quite a few I really really wanted.

[@trisertricordoh2127]

Sadly demos are a dying things.

[@Spicypuff]

Triser Tricordoh Its mostly betas now adays.

[@freakyfro99]

They're starting to come back on playstation. I've noticed more demos than there used to be. That and most people are calling demos betas nowadays for some reason... Like For Honor. The game comes out in two weeks. That was either a stress test or a demo but definitely not a fucking beta.

[@Spicypuff]

freakyfro99 Finally someone noticed. The fact that they call everything a beta just really annoys me. Like destiny, people called it a beta. No its a demo, same thing for titanfall, call of duty, ect. Its only a beta if its a work in progress thing. And i have noticed some demos recently, i hope they bring back the extra you could get from demos and could use after you buy the full game. Those were neat.

[@Paul382]

Spicy Puffin I agree. The only mainstream game that springs to mind that has the right to be called a beta test was when Gear of War 3 released their multiplayer beta which was I think 6 months before release (even then you could still call it a late alpha test).

[@bigego503]

These days, most "AAA" franchises have fallen into the hands of corporate. Corporate does not buy these franchises because they love gaming but because they smell money. The suits are incapable of understanding games or gamers. So the corporate solution to franchise slowly deteriorating ( and bringing in less money) is to either squeeze it, kick it, throw money at it or kill it and take a tax write off. We should remember the best products were created by other gamers who loved gaming and had an idea.

[@Elysiabikha]

big ego correct most AAA. Glad Bethesda rockstar (the update is free and u can grind but people are lazy) and other few

[@bigego503]

you might also except Bioware and CDProjectRed but you are correct. Some companies understand gaming because they are comprised of gamers (at least at the level of decision making). So many "AAA" games seem to be designed by master craftsmen who have had video gaming very carefully explained to them but who have never actually played one.

[@AzurFenix]

Bullshit on Bioware, they are SJW friendly and greedy as fuck and Lazy. They are owned by EA, the grandfather of fucking gamers over. Your high if you think Bioware is scum free. Maybe back when they made KotOR. But now? They are an SJW circle jerk with eyes only for the greens and little else.

[@bigego503]

I never said they were scum free but the difference between EA and Bioware is that Bioware does still have some gamers on payroll who are capable of understanding what makes a good game (not all but some). EA is made up (as far as I can see) of 100 per cent accountants and beancounters who are constitutionally incapable of understanding what makes either a good game or a bad one. Other than by sales. A small difference I grant you but significant nonetheless

[@jakobholgersson4400]

I only partially agree with this. The truth of the matter is that in terms of creative content, publishers often give studios quite a lot of creative breathing room. The WWI setting of Battlediedl 1 was pitched to EA by the people at DICE, because that was what the employees wanted to work on. In terms of monetization, then it's what's necessary to survive in a very risky bisoness. During the last console generation, we saw many classic companies getting killed off by only a single failed project. AAA games have become ludicrously expensive to make, mostly due to the consumer demand of amazing graphics. We have literally a situation where one can say to those who mock the performance of consoles in general and Nintendo consoles in particular, that "you're the reason we can't have nice things". Because it's true. It's not "greed" to take measures for your company to survive, it's common business sense. It's respect for your employees.

[@christopherforeman4773]

This is what I love about Pvz: Garden Warfare 2 . All of it's dlc that comes out is always free. You have the option to pay for microtransactions but don't have to and the only thing you ever have to pay for is the game then you're done and every week they have show case characters if you haven't got them yet , plus the two new host and torchwood that you get from the dlc trials of gnomus which was free. Also community challenges , new card packs , mystery port events , boss modes , festive events every major holiday. It's awesome!

[@justinschauwecker]

In the end, money talks and BS walks.

[@simonjrobinson]

Developers should release demos of their games. If the game is good, and the demo is representative of the game, then it can be only a good thing for sales.

[@kingquan3826]

Simon R so far 2017 is doing an amazing job with this

[@Kenzokian]

Yeah, like For Honor.

[@jakobholgersson4400]

Devs quit doing this for a reason: it ISN'T good for sales. Sometimes, if a game is good, the demo entertains people for so long that they don't feel they need the full game. Just look at the Battlefield 2 demo, where servers were almost as crowded as the full version for years on end. Not to mention that people who want to "try" new games often choose to pirate instead because, you know, the demos make games appear "better than they actually are".

[@BigCowProductions]

devs adding bonuses for high scores is more of a plague

[@frojoe2004]

How is the lack of split screen multiplayer from modern racing games like Burnout and SSX not on this list?

[@wolfkiller4]

If DLC Microtransactions and Season Passes aren't here then you have failed us all

[@uwu7024]

I hate DLCs and Season Passes cause you already pay for the game now what ? pay double for just the rest of the game? Exemple CoD Black Ops 1/2/3 have like 5 free maps (w/o easter eggs or other things) and like 7 with easter eggs new weapons etc. Season Pass is like DLCs its just unlock more content and its more expensive

[@Spicypuff]

Bork Lazer Whats wrong with dlc? It just extra content. Unless your talking about things cut off from the main game.

[@geehammer1511]

DLC is probably created in mind to be cut off from the whole game, they possibly review it at finished product and choose which parts they can make DLC without removing too much, in some ways it's great way to get more revenue so they can create more larger games in the future

[@kingquan3826]

You obviously don't understand corporate business and haven't learn about monopolies in High School. Gaming Industry NEEDS console exclusivity because it drives competition. Without competition, we would have a monopoly where one gaming platform would dominate and charge whatever price they want for their games. They would also half-ass their games considering there isn't anyone to compete with their products. As much as I hate not being able to play Halo on my PS4, I'm happy I still have alternatives to go with it. But re-evaluate your thoughts on console exclusivity and tell me what you think below 😊

[@DrowzyDruid]

the truth has been spoken! cannot agree highly enough with this video, as a video game completionist and collector I hate when dlc and pre-order bonuses stop me from 100% having and therefore completing the entire game

[@locktock9]

practice: making dlc characters considerably more powerful and way easier to play then the original cast

[@UWanderer]

another thing is buyable demos. i don't know if its just me but i'm starting to see it more often

[@ob8366]

I don't think you talked about Destiny enough

[@noodlesnohara2129]

Owen Bower lol

[@ballikedrizzle]

How do we combat this DLC/Season Pass extortion?

[@neilpower60]

gaming would probably not look as good as it does without corporates, it's no longer just by gamers for gamers

[@MOTat18]

I would like to add a few more: 1) Developers adding unnecessary features/making what was so good in it's simplicity become complex for no reason. Portal 2 is an example because of it's different gels. Batman: Arkham Knight for its overuse of the car. It was fun, but it was too much. 2) Yearly releases.

[@AvangionQ]

True ending as DLC ticks me off the most ...

[@alanduran1342]

you know what is one big practice: Xbox live GOLD. Even steam doesn't have you pay a subscription to hang out with your friends. just a $5 one time fee.

[@andrewince8824]

Micro transaction shortcuts piss me right off. There was a time in BF1 that if a player had a Hellriegel, Selbstladler 1906, Huot or Martini-Henry then he or she was a good player who'd earned the weapon. Now the Hellriegel is the standard issue weapon for every scrub with daddies credit card. When once you could be sure that you were accompanied with top notch comrades against a top notch foe you now have clueless comrades and campers armed with the best.

[@ribunny123]

I like physical pre-order bonuses, rather than in game ones. It'll make me WAY more likely to pre-order. I pre-ordered Dishonored a while ago when it first came out, and I got a cool exclusive Tarot deck. That's probably my favorite pre-order prize I've ever gotten, and I usually refuse to pre-order unless I get something physical.

[@Olimar92]

For number 2 I would have to mention Asura's Wrath. They sold the actual end to the game as DLC. With how the game played it was a better TV series.

[@brockly7916]

Thank you for the video *ITS SO THE TRUTH!*

[@note4note804]

Would be more convincing if the video touched on why these are a problem beyond "being annoying". Talking about how microtransactions change game design, how review embargoes corrupt the media by forcing them to play nice with developers, or how hype based on vertical slices of games skew reviews and expectations.

[@neroblack2704]

1.The law not protecting gamers like any other consumers, there is still this stigma about games being childish and not to be taken seriously despite it having become a multi billion dollar industry and because of it the law isn't as strict about consumer protection as say is the case with movies and music, selling a CD with 15 promised tracks but with 5 of them removed or a movie with two endings one of which is the "true" ending needing additional money would never be accepted but because it's "just a game" people overlook this making gaming a unnecessarily expensive hobby.

[@VodShod]

# 7 the reason demos are not supported for great games is usually because it takes too large of their time to make the demo instead of using that time to make the game, and demos have been shown to have no effect or even lower sales

[@JohnnyTeststar]

"lacklustre" is my favorite word in the English language.

[@neilpower60]

dlc is annoying, would you buy a car and have to buy a steering wheel separately? or buy a house and pay extra for Windows?

[@alextownley9388]

If exclusivity did not exist and Nintendo's IP's like Super Mario, Donkey Kong, and Zelda were were on the Xbox and PS consoles nobody would buy a Nintendo console let's be honest lol

[@kingquan3826]

Alex Townley it's called competition and you are 100% . Ima expand on exclusivity in another comment

[@chrism7574]

That's why he specified 3rd party developers. Obviously, Microsoft didn't want to sell Halo to Playstation users, and Nintendo didn't want to sell Zelda or Mario to Xbox users, but a 3rd party developer creating a game exclusively for Playstation because Sony gave them an extra buck is not good for the industry.

[@kingquan3826]

Chris M 3rd party developers usually have timed exclusives anyway...

[@omgcats2]

We are talking 3rd party dev. Super Mario and what not are 1st party games. Made by the people that make the console. 3rd Party are people like Beth, Square Enix, Naughty Dog.

[@black_savage96]

Zennie Aetra Naughty Dog is owned by Sony so they're 1st party

[@brendanroberts7949]

Hence the popularity of retro gaming, none of the aforementioned bollocks.

[@Blade-hf9po]

And this is why I went away from Gaming after 2010. Microtransactions were staring to affect me, pre-order BS, DLCs, among other things. So I decided to not be a part of it anymore. I might come back. Chances are I won't. The trend is too strong.

[@TheAuron32]

first point is a MASSIVE thing in GoW4, especially horde mode skill cards...

[@davetopper]

You could do a top ten list of practices plaguing gamers from one game and one developer, the game is GTA V and the developer of course is R*.

[@hyperionrobit3090]

Take #15 off the list, at least in terms of Overwatch. You do not in any way need loot boxes in Overwatch. They are cosmetic and that is that. You don't need them, and it's the gamer's fault if they waste a bunch of money trying to get cosmetics, because they are just that. Just for looks. EDIT: I'm sorry. You are completely correct with overwatch.

[@Tilapa54]

it's not the developers as often it's the publishers that'll do the dlc

[@mulberryman1305]

What! You honestly expect me to release the entire game all at once for a single price? Who ever heard of such ludicrous nonsense!!

[@gemkenneth]

Excellent content here! Subscribed.

[@breadstevens3802]

whats with the scout in the thumbnail?

[@kingquan3826]

Bread Stevens it's face is the reason

[@RibeyeJohnny]

Take a shot every time he mentions Destiny

[@gravargen943]

*Dead*

[@Blade-hf9po]

You'd be in a coma before minute 5.

[@joecheatham3961]

this list more seems like how many problems can we list in destiny before people get bored

[@cipherdourdan2328]

Street Fighter X Tekken. Had all the DLC characters on the CD itself. Still wanted that $3.99 per character to unlock.

[@leonst.7471]

(when you're interested to see why these things are happening then you should watch Extra Credits for a explanation of the developing side.)

[@amirecheadel647]

i know what your opinion in number 15 but Cosmetics all the items you get in loot boxes are Cosmetics sure you want that skin but its just i cosmetic it doesn't effect you in game and if they make you more powerfull that's another story

[@acero3652]

Oh destiny, I wish you fixed your problems

[@allenluis6995]

Steel they are trying

[@SirRiconious]

Wait, people are still stupid enough to buy these games? Have fun supporting the literal collapse of the gaming industry (for AAA devs and publishers anyway)

[@marcwolfleach]

Dlc most people have to wait for a special edition of the game to play a full game now

[@killersands5116]

marcwolfleach and they haven't been coming out lately,batman arkham knight,and fallout four,still fucking waiting,need to play it.

[@lukeholzman]

Why do people have problems with purely aesthetic microtransactions???

[@modlio745]

4:40 - Infestation survivor stories, not series

[@thekarion3024]

Actually Destinys expansion weren't part of launch because of the time restrictions

[@MichaelShulski]

Does anyone know what game that is at 3:15 ?

[@xtruzen]

frank grimes I walked away long ago.

[@En7my]

Amazing video, guys! Have a nice day.

[@broonogaming9349]

Minecraft Story Mode , just to earn money, decided to sell a season pass for "all the content" then make the adventure pass, which is the next 3 episodes. Come on!

[@TheGlock30owner]

This probably should have been titled, "15 Video Game Practices That Are CONSOLE PEASANTS".

[@Spicypuff]

Its a shame many gamers see dlc as something bad or evil as i remember when dlc would give you new costumes or small campaings and such. Now if you mention dlc an angry mob will appear but its understandable why that is. But what boggles my mind is that the moment dlc is introduced they now see the base game as imcomplete. Why? I don't know.

[@chimichangle]

As stated, DLCs are sometimes amazing but most of the time just main content that was split off and resold, or just straight up not made well because most people buy season passes, and why work as hard on something when you already got paid for it? Good DLCs so far that I can point out are from Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 3, but the ones stated in the video I definitely agree were subpar and on the level of cheating the player/consumer (never forget Star Wars Battlefront). Who doesn't want more content for a game that we love? The mob happens because that extra content never deserved to be extra.

[@zososldier]

If the game isn't complete or is broken, then there should NOT be "DLC". That is called a patch, not DLC. They were right for bashing Destiny or any other game like it for the shady crap they pulled. Plenty of people are completely fine with DLC/expansion when they are worth it. Look at WoW. Their expansions are 100% worth it because for an additional $20-60, the game becomes 100-2000+ hours longer. Also, if there are any gameplay or story line additions within a short period of time from launch of a game, it should not be charged for because it was developed with the original game and they chose to throw up a pay wall for it.

[@crappygamespt9674]

Skyrim's DLC'S, those were the good days...

[@PLOGPLAST]

What ever happened to demo discs those used to be the shit when you would find one with games you never heard of

[@Lord_Deimos]

30 fps (or even lower) for ''cinematic effect''. Simply disgusting.

[@jingjang3534]

shut the fuck up

[@InMaTeofDeath]

Agreed, I can deal with 30fps for some games but when the dev actively *lies* about why they're doing it it's unforgivable, which is why The Order 1886 will never ever get my money.

[@Rincevind007]

I'm surprised that when talking about DLCs that are essential to the game you didn't mention Mass Effect 2. If you didn't pay extra and buy it's DLC you had absolutely no clue as to what is going on at the beginning of ME3.

[@ile1237]

*#10 platform exlucivitie deal for games in a long runing series

[@juicymullet4468]

Witcher 3 did get get a downgrade, and that was it's ONLY PROBLEM. Man that was a great game, made by some awesome developers. CDPR does it right.

[@kingbubbles9461]

Nerfing items or abilities that are in solely single player games. Why kill our fun if does not affect anything wrong? All overpowered abilities and weapons make you have more fun in a truly single player game. Why fix broken things if it is more fun than the fixed thing?

[@durkadur27]

Being mainly a Nintendo gamer I cannot relate to this at all.

[@auroriasolaris]

WOW... I am impressed... I probably never before watched any kind of list I agree with almost 100% (almost - I actually like RNG loot, it is additional motivation for me to play... if they are obtainable for free).

[@turtleco.9934]

I usually get demos because I can't by the game but I want to play it

[@novato455]

Damn the guy is right, back in the day when you bought a gaming magazine you got some demos in it, it was a short of quality control for gamers. The demo was crap we didnt bought the game, developers wanted players to buy their games not milk them. Its amazing what a small paper with a number on it, and some rock star popularity can do to developers and publishers. Speaking of consoles exclusives, damn i always wanted to see Grand turismo on PC, loved the second one on my psx 1 but became a pc gamer, the call of mods was too damn strong, can you imagine Grand Turismo with mods? i guess it will never happen Sony keeps their IPS tighter than a numn in a convent.

[@colerichardson7559]

I'm surprised there's no lowlives arguing over what platform is best

[@zero5496]

although I totally agree with the list, I still think the title of this video is the biggest understatement in the history of gaming, should be call the 15 practices that publishers shit in peoples throat

[@laGringa1507]

🎼It's all about the MoNEY 💰 MoNEY 💰MoNEY !! 🎼

[@KingCarva]

this is why indie games are so loved. take undertale for instance. its STILL adored. because there was no shady deals. a massively amazing experience, for 10 bucks

[@PiskenDragen]

I think the biggest bull$hit is platform exclusivity. Why I need to buy whole fkng platform for just one game, I want to play? It's just so irritating.

[@WayWardWonderer]

I'm getting the Nintendo Switch, ASAP! My original NES still works just fine, while my PS3 gave me the yellow light of death after only four years of use. WTF Sony? Nintendo, I salute you!

[@gamejtv]

Says video isn't about simple microtransactions, first point is on microtransactions.

[@Hammer_Of_Olympia]

gamejtv better than it being first place on the list

[@SnowyRVulpix]

Things that annoy me the most: Releasing on two of the three major platforms and ignoring the other... Such as PC + Xbox or playstation + Xbox, etcetc I prefer PC myself, others prefer xbox and others still prefer playstation. Let people play on their system of choice!

[@MistGod666]

Moral of the story Destiny is a plague

[@kingquan3826]

"demos" 2017 seems to have listened to this video cause we have so many demos for literally every AAA title . Nioh Gravity Rush Nier: Automata Resident 7 And also ALOT of BETAs so we can test the game out . 2017 seems to be the year

[@Anonymous-zu7dh]

demos are on the downway because almost always a demo will loose the dev sells. check out Extra Credits episode on demos for more explaination.

[@trisertricordoh2127]

But on the other hand there are people that don't want to pay $59.99 for a new title that just came out without knowing what it is. Sure it might cut some sells but it can increase them too, look at Gamefreak's ORAS and Sun/Moon demos, those showcased some of the new features of said game and rewarded players who used them.

[@THAC0MANIC]

Games / Companys are also Inflating th ere 'reviews' offering rewards are not the only way they are doing such a thing. and im happy someone pointed out a Flaw in Witcher 3 without people raging at them ... the witcher 3 Crowed is dieing off or something? That game had flaws/problems but i remeber the time where when you pointed out the smallest people rage at you so hard ...

[@goganii]

Doing a nerf that nobody wants

[@Hreimr]

About the problematic console ports... Have anyone played Mass Effect 1 and just been in awe of the well thought out controls and UI - and then played the followups and realize that the developers no longer cared for good controls and just threw some dice to assign keys. This is why we don't get the good stuff (on PC) - no one complains when the companies take shortcuts... You really should spent a lot of time in ME1 with mouse and keyboard and then do the same in the followups before responding (though I know noone actually will). I'm not saying ME2 and ME3 are bad - only the way they did not give a single f*ck about well-designed controls on the PC.

[@grownumber45]

People need to stop complaining about micro transactions just don't buy it and eventually they will stop once they see they are not making money anymore

[@minecraftinalabama]

You forgot couch multiplayer and cross platform play

[@SharifSourour]

Lack of demos really sucks for sure.

[@FPrimusUnicron]

i could live with all of these except one, microtranssactions

[@OnimushaBoss1]

Beating the hell out of that dead horse, lol. 8/15 topics made mention of Destiny.

[@zephirol4638]

all legit, except for the infestation: SS bit. The only reason the game was so poorly received was for the simple fact that 80% of the player base used "hacks" and the Devs refused to listen to the community or even fix key issues that had been a massive problem since the games inception. and even actively trolled/insulted/banned their player base for little to no reason. The newz (ISS under new devs) is in a similar boat. While they fixed most the issues with cheaters via anti cheat (and the fact the current dev leader was the main creator of all cheats for ISS) and most bugs. They still refuse to listen to their player base and often go out of their way to cause drama within the community. It had nothing to do with a lack of content. They never claimed there was anything about the game that was not there and were actively working on/updating to meet the content goals they set.

[@ironsaint5062]

when you said graphical downgrade i thought rainbow six siege

[@RPD-yk8li]

here let me help you if you watch this and think about playing infinite warfare...don't...your gonna run into people who bought these supply drops and got OP weapons and now act as if they have true skill and only turn their mics on to trash talk

[@Spiritstar0]

i'm fine with cheating.... OFFline. You can do whatever you like. It's your gameplay experience. But ONline, when you're playing with others? ESPECIALLY in PVP? Stick to going without!

[@StitchesLovesRats]

umm... repetitive "radiant" content half-arsed content excessive casualization no?

[@KakkoiSan]

Bad pc ports is part of the deal. Every game was/is made using pcs!

[@readmarx420]

I have only had good experiences with early access, that being said I've only bought 3 early access games. And no mans sky was a huge letdown, although I did enjoy it some.

[@lukesinclair-ford4822]

I love Destiny, and have over 3500 hours of play time, but it really does deserve to get bashed. So much wrong with that game.

[@chuckdastump]

so am I seriously the only one who had less glitches and a better experience with Skyrim on ps3 over x360. for me, everything about x360 Skyrim was horrible and I had constant glitches, especially clipping through the map and getting stuck on nothing, whereas the ps3 version only had the amount of glitches expected from a Bethesda title. (inb4 I'm a Nintendo fan, so the Sony v Microsoft is irrelevant to me. Switch Hype!)

[@pootz5357]

Well developers need money guys

[@mikeemmons1079]

Game companies that divert man hours to producing paid DLC for unfinished games while consistantly failing to meet self imposed deadlines, Ark is your example here. Game companies that promise things to early adopters and then fuck over said early adopters Trion's world wide release of Archeage LEAPS to mind. then again, everything about Archeage's release was a total clusterfuck.

[@zososldier]

Well, you kind of have to admit that ARKs exp is kind of worth it.

[@mikeemmons1079]

adam courtney no I dont. Ark was not worth the headaches caused by their greed. this is my final reply to you, I am not having this argument again.

[@zososldier]

Argument again? Final reply? Think you got me mixed with some one else.

[@Raoul9753]

Early Acces fraud no1: DayZ! Maybe my great grand children will witness the Beta of that game...

[@ghostzombie6397]

Cod and destiny are the sole reason I don't buy at launch anymore. got witcher a yr after launch got 2 dlc and a game for $30

[@Alverant]

I love demos too but there's not really a reason for a company to make one. If the game is bad people can see for themselves for free causing a lost sale. Demos can also take time away from development unless it's something like the first mission or 100 turns or something. But it's crap like in your list is why I don't get any games on launch day anymore. I'd rather wait for the reviews, patches, and sales than be first.

[@cab8887]

Making games for casuals, no hardcore games anymore. Look at wow lol

[@chimichangle]

what genres are you looking for? Fighting, FPS, RTS, and Action-Adventure are kind of ripe with hardcore games right now so I disagree.

[@austinobambino1360]

Ace Bounty Nioh, For Honor???

[@nathankindle282]

don't forget Mass Effect 3