15-Way Chop in Wynn Ladies Event & Lady Kicked Out of WSOP | PokerNews Podcast

[@mr.puddintater1805]

How sweet. 15 way chop. Feelings weren't hurt.

[@user-kd6eq9po8d]

Usually im ok w ICM however 15 way is too many players. Maybe final table! I'm the first WSOP Deepstack daily winner this year & my opponent male asked heads up to chop. I declined due to time invested and its not allowed. But having title big or small is nice to carry too😆 however Congrats to 15 women!!

[@bmo14lax]

Fun fact, boomers were the ones who originally came up with and received participation trophies.

[@theejayzeeable]

​@@user-kd6eq9po8d If its not allowed at the WSOP, then u declining doesnt matter because it wasnt up to lol.

[@user-kd6eq9po8d]

@theejayzeeable players will or have chopped WSOP games on the side but it isn't allowed. I personally don't see the point. That's just me.

[@bmo14lax]

@@user-kd6eq9po8d staking. And side deals are very common

[@TrayJohns]

I was part of this Chop. I lost 185k the hand before. We had no dinner Break after 11 hours, I flew in from florida at 8 am leaving Florida at 6am. I was tired, i was hungry and i wanted to eat and sleep.

[@dabbear710]

Congrats on getting paid!

[@theejayzeeable]

@Tray So stick to small daily tournaments! Duh.

[@drewdonham]

nothin wrong with a chop in my opinion

[@DougPolkPolker]

Are you the black guy?

[@user-kd6eq9po8d]

@drewdonham but 15 ways seems extreme, don't you think!? I'm a women & it's almost embarrassing. I like keeping up w the men and take pride in being @ final table and if it's w women's tournament especially why would one play it out any differently??!

[@pattywright4089]

I find it unlikely that all of them agreed willingly, it's hard enough to get 6 people to agree

[@omgbaxtergames]

15 way chop is an absolute joke. Talk about participation awards. At least wait for a final table, ideally should be final 3 though.

[@420villain]

Sometimes they do that because no one wants to play until 4am

[@kellydawson4965]

Chopped 4th place money. Smart. Variance removed.

[@TSprinkles-rz3kw]

Not even remotely related to participation trophies - they were all short stack and didn't want to gamble for significant money. Weirdo.

[@mikelewis3739]

Women have no gamble in them lol this just shows that

[@fire1777]

Should be a rule against a chop that big. 15 person chop is total BS.

[@DrThoritah]

My first ever tournament in LV was the Friday night tournament at the OG Sahara 18 years ago, and everyone wanted to chop 8-9 handed. Never offer and never refuse so we chopped.

[@ron6653]

How can you do a pokernews podcast and not get the back story before you go on air? Seems that would have been rather easy.

[@PokerJeezus]

All the misregs in an uproar over chops, and people in the industry don't get it. We're seeing all these 8-way chops, your customers are literally telling you they aren't comfortable with the pay jumps. Many times I see 1st winning more than 2nd and 3rd combined. Flatten payouts, pay a larger % of the field and spread that money more evenly in your poker economy. The recreational players get that dopamine hit just from cashing. Now they have $$$ in theor pockets. Maybe they play a cash game, maybe another event. But that $$$ is more likely to recirculate in your poker economy rather than funneling all the big paydays into the grinders pockets who will use it for life expenses, big purchases, etc Not to mention, if the avg stack was 10 bigs 15-handed, it's a crapshoot now to see who runs the best, with no real room to manuever Stop shaming people for chops

[@theejayzeeable]

Wake up! Its not 2014. Inflation and expenses to run tourneys have gone up. So poker rooms have shortened tourneys by starting at higher blind levels than 10 yrs ago and starting antes earlier in tourneys. It doesnt matter what u or others are lol "comfortable" with in a $600 tourney. Nowadays, a $600 buy-in in a tourney series is the equivalent of what a $100 daily was 10 yrs ago. So u play a $600 tourney for fun, not for bang for ur buck. Its gonna be fast and short. Welcome to 2024. U dont want fast and short? Dont buy into sub-$1k tourneys. Simple as that!

[@connorrichards2625]

More Kyle!

[@Lennyfromwork]

OMG thanks for paying out on Helmuths outfits! 😂

[@owenjnelson-fb9mg]

There is a funny place in Scotland called Dundee where a 15 way chop happens with 30 runners...

[@OtakuLogan2017]

This has not happened in a while though.

[@mikewilliams3509]

Helmuth is one of the best tourney players ever.. say what you want about his cash game play and his antics but even going through fields of 900 to thousands and still runs the way he does

[@johnnybananas709]

This is what equality over equity looks like

[@kimeriksson7445]

Hoping to see a video on Isildur1's very interesting (to say the least) two high roller final tables. From chip leader in both to finishing 3rd place in both.

[@goodflop255]

Find out what happened to the lady. Then talk.

[@mikelewis3739]

Hi lady ^

[@owenjnelson-fb9mg]

If I got thrown out the tournament Id be raging aswell. We need to know the full story. And whatever she's done, I bet it's nowhere near as bad as Phill Hellmuth, Tony G, Scotty, Men the Bastard etc. or any of these mother fuckers who they wouldn't dream on kicking out. It need to be a one law for all situation.... this woman might have autism, mental health, all sorts of shit. Clapping her leaving is very classless. At the end of the day, thats some woman thats clearly staked way more than she can afford and its going to fuck her up...

[@evingmadeez5008]

I could 98% guarantee you at least 1 woman was pressured into chopping !!

[@user-kd6eq9po8d]

Unless it's done completely anonymously & each and every player was able to consent. I think at least one player was pressured!

[@KingZoa]

I believe it was a 106% chance of being pressured into a chop, with a 6% margin of error

[@evingmadeez5008]

@@KingZoa haha.. the reason I said 98% is bc I wasn't there but I know I've been pressured before Several times

[@jeremyrogers6179]

That woman should be allowed back, she claims she was being berated and harassed.

[@Young-ep8ik]

She was mistreated ONLY because she was a woman. She did NOTHING wrong. NONE

[@theejayzeeable]

She was obviously lying because she thought screaming is doing nothing wrong. I can bet that her being forced to follow game rules was what she took as being berated and harrassed.

[@James-jx4ud]

Average chips 10bb? Sounds like the structure forced the chop, all variance at that point

[@squirrelturdz6868]

That’s what I’m assuming, they all know it’s all in coin flips from there out, made a decision, all agreed, I don’t see a big deal either. 🌎✌️

[@user-kd6eq9po8d]

...that's poker, blinds go up and it means strategic moves need to be made before your blinds get that high. Isn't that what all games are like? Just keep an eye on that clock!

[@arthurdent5357]

Seems like they did exactly that, strategise and deciding for the best value decision, a skill Poker players usually get praised for.

[@stevestrassell9695]

We all know how she votes…. Just picture one of those screaming ladies in all those memes.

[@smitty5024]

Ladoes and Gentlemen. Mr. Longshoreman shipps!

[@OCP74]

First these guys defend known cheater Men Nguyen, now they're feeling bad for some unhinged lady at the poker table. You guys need a new crew.

[@pamelarichproperties]

WHAT ABOUT THE SHULMANS? MOM AND SON? DIDNT SHE WIN THE seniors? and he won aswell?

[@Laurie.W.Turner]

If you're speaking of Nick Shulman, I don't think Alynn and Barry are his parents...

[@Coryalan2]

Lol wtf

[@aviakaabrahamlanger8767]

I got ejected from a tournament at the oaks in Emeryville at least 7 years ago and they didn't refund the buy in ! I got ejected after I got dealt aces and the aces didn't hold up and said some words to them !?! However I had played there many many times dropped thousands at the table games side and took many racks off the $15/30 tables #15 & 18 the place evolved from only limit to also no limit !?! I got barred from the emeryville casino yet I gotnstories and stories as I was a victim of their practices !?! Who was riding anyone without enough insurance !?! If you say something and get ejected and/or barred it's mostly likely because the casino doesn't see itself making money from you as happened to me at the aria one late night as a comped guest of MGM a few years ago !?! No im not close to even with those people !?! Good luck !?! It was frustring to see daniel hachem make to many folds and how he got pushed off a first place !?!

[@Coryalan2]

I feel like your trespass history is more than likely warranted. Cool out bro

[@aviakaabrahamlanger8767]

@Coryalan2 look for employment elsewhere boy !! We make the money around here !! Fine any communists with at least jack Nicholson ! You want the truth........

[@aviakaabrahamlanger8767]

@@Coryalan2 how do you feel about going and putting some money on the table to pay ungrateful dealers at any hour 🤔 😒 🙄

[@theejayzeeable]

​@@aviakaabrahamlanger8767 U have an entitlement problem. U feel like ur paying the dealers. Ur only tipping the dealers. And what u tip the dealers is nothing compared to what the other customers as a whole tip the dealers. Stop thinking that the dealers are there for YOU. They are there for all of the other customers. Obviously they dont need ur tips if places kick u out.

[@aviakaabrahamlanger8767]

@@theejayzeeable understanding stories isnt always easy !?! It isn't the gratuity, and it isn't being taken for granted, its when your uninvited and the truth is hard to discern !?! It is when after losing and losing they already count on your money and then you win and win and become an expense and get uninvited that pushes buttons !?! After 30 years it's more than a long story and stories, and not everyone comes out in a good light in every story !?! Clearly I got time to spare !?!

[@bryan-still-a-poker-player]

I mean whats wrong with an icm chop to reduce variance? I dont think its a big deal.

[@Mrcasey2u]

The woman getting kicked out of tournament. She is known for doing this scream disruption often. Not her first time. Needs to be banned or prepare to see this again...

[@rodb.5801]

$50k for those watches could be cheap. These are “cross” collectibles. Watch collecting is very popular and rare watches go for very big money.

[@timcross2510]

Hmmmm, and I should believe their wasn't a team effort that included signals and hands not played to promote scores to other teammates? Fish got fried

[@FractionalMateo]

I would imagine in future tournaments they will likely add a CHOP LIMIT to final table population MAX only. This action has a HUGE media boost for these female events.

[@StormCentral1998]

i think 15 way chop is too much. i dont think a chop should be allowed until final table.it is their desicion but i wouldnt have agreed til atleast final table and then again it depends on my chip stack

[@pamelarichproperties]

I agree... chopping 15 ways is HOME GAME STUFF...bad for the image..THIS is a sport

[@WorldGoyimUnite]

Who lied to you and told you poker was a SPORT 😂

[@conor7179]

​​@@WorldGoyimUnite Tournament poker is a sport. It's exhausting and competitive. Now cash games require no stamina, it's hard to say cash games are a Sport, but large field MTT poker certainly is a sport

[@WorldGoyimUnite]

So chess is a sport?

[@nodnarB14]

I'm just saying that I've never heard of men chopping 15 ways

[@DrThoritah]

WSOP Gold Bracelets have at least $2-3k worth of gold in them.

[@bigtoke5220]

No more like $1000-$1500

[@DrThoritah]

@@bigtoke5220 my bracelet weighs about 1.75oz in total. Not all of that is 14k gold, but I think it is at least 1.6oz of gold, which is about $2200. How much gold is in your bracelet?

[@mikewilliams3509]

Dnegs is not cashing and backing ryan lol bad combo

[@danielthelion2677]

They should have disqualified every single one of them and gave first second and third to 16th 17th and 18th

[@garrickmusic]

Yeah, that's not how it works, Champ.

[@BrianBowman-mw9vt]

No, they should’ve provided a structure that didn’t leave the average stack with 10BB at that point in the tournament.

[@BiznizTrader]

At the end of the day, unless you're one of the 15 women, it ain't your decision. It's their money, they can do as they please.

[@MrJSpicoli]

Thanks sparky

[@YoyoDevo]

I don't really know, I kinda get the feeling she might have done something wrong

[@Mathemagical55]

DNegs should swallow his pride and hire a top-tier tourney crusher as a coach. He's been 'running bad' at the WSOP for years now.

[@Adrianneofspades]

Sounds like she was treated poorly to me:/ she was asking a question and got treated like crap by the whole table! Ugh lots of women I know don’t play and now they see this clip and don’t want to play at all now :/ I’m sorry to her!!!! She had so many chips! Why not pull her aside and ask her what happened ? Talk to the people in the event as it’s happening . So sad

[@bernster123]

The woman who got removed - there are better ways to react, screaming your head off isn’t going to get you ahead whatever your gender!

[@william8541]

What about those 2 men in the pic?

[@garrickmusic]

Okay, what should the maximum allowable players be for a chop, if 15 is too many?

[@conor7179]

Only final table players should be allowed chop

[@aviakaabrahamlanger8767]

Shouldnt david skalansky be good enough at making money to keep a couple of gold watches or find someone to give him $45k for $50k after 30 days or keep the watches for $45k !?! There are sportstars that part with all sorts of memorabilia yet gold watches when gold is high ?!?

[@hardwayjoe8208]

Nick shulman and his mother have braclets.

[@Laurie.W.Turner]

Not sure Nick's parents are Barry and Alynn Shulman...perhaps related but not their son.

[@2160michael]

I have no problem with a 15 way chop. And because its women doesn't mean there's less respect for women players.

[@conor7179]

It does look bad for women's poker. Clearly they're not competitive or there to win. Who's going to watch or sponsor that?

[@bipolarpunt5721]

15 way chop fine, everyone grabs a beer and has some fun. People are too serious about poker when a great deal of it is luck.

[@k3vin463]

What a joke ... y bother playing ... don't u want to win it all ... I'm tied for 15th place ... so stoopid

[@JT_Lakers]

15 way chop... why even play the tourny if no one wanted to put in the time to win. FT chop is one thing but 15 way is just lazy and lack competitive spirit.

[@MrJSpicoli]

The woke dude sounds vaccinated

[@BohoFreedom]

Karen at the poker table.

[@KP-ss3nx]

HORRIBLE. I would not have done it. Makes women seem weak

[@fire1777]

I didn’t know Rosie O’Donnell’s mom played poker??

[@pamelarichproperties]

THIS IS WHY WOMEN DONT PLAY

[@David-Lyman]

Phil showed up to the Wedding with a dress shirt and tie. He Slobbed a sandwich all over and had to reduce down to skivvies!

[@rppoker8541]

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