1689 Federalism And New Covenant Theology

Pastor Louis covers the differences between 1689 Federalism and New Covenant Theology.

[@lorihopkins2338]

Whether or not you agree with any of the theology presented here, he did a fabulous job with the explanation

[@maxstrange7606]

The Law could never save. It could never give life. Christ is the Law enfleshed. Christ is our Sabbath rest

[@maxstrange7606]

We respond to the imperatives found in the New Testament out of gratitude for the Gospel. Our obedience stems from love, against which there is no law. We are enabled to live and love this way by the power of the Spirit. This is the Law of Christ.

[@shawngillogly6873]

2LCBF says the Moral Law is contained in the Decalogue. 2 London 19:2 & 3.

[@thirstnhowliv9740]

Thank you pastor Louis... still looking forward to your next teaching. If Christ's 1st commandment to us sums-up the first 1-4 of the Decalogue and His second commandment sums-up 6-10 from the Decalogue, and the only sticking-point is the 5th commandment of the Decalogue, then I believe that Matthew 12:8 "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” qualifies as fulfilling the 4th commandment. It seems to me that NCT won the day for that doctrinal debate... wish I could hear how the debate went.

[@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104]

10 commands never called the moral law but tables of the covenant

[@punkylilkid]

The Sabbath is not 'works' It is rest in Another's works... Think about it.

[@maxstrange7606]

I think of the Sabbath as a type, not the reality. To say that the type is now the reality is to confuse law and grace, type and antitype. Christ is our Sabbath rest for all those in Christ.

[@SpotterVideo]

New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay. ================== The term "new covenant" is not found in the 1689 LBCF, even though it is found in the Bible. It has been replaced by "the moral law", which is not in the Bible. How could Adam have committed adultery before the fall? How could Adam honor his mother, since he had no mother? Is the Apostle Paul one of the new kids on the block when he said we are ministers of the New Covenant and contrasted the two covenants in 2 Cor. 3:6-8? How about when Paul spoke of "the two covenants" in Gal. 4:24-31, and instructed the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage"? Was Jesus one of the new kids on the block when He spoke of the New Covenant in His blood in Matt. 26:28? Was the author of the Book of Hebrews a new kid on the block when he quoted Jer. 31:31-34 word for word in Heb. 8:6-13, and started the passage with the word "now"?

[@trevortheclever1733]

You never uploaded the next sermon

[@keikot4998]

The Old (Mosaic) Covenant: the covenant of works, "do this and live" vs. The New Covenant: the covenant of Grace, "Christ did this so that you can live."

[@TheDroc1990]

Nah - that's dispensationalism. There's only been one way to live - faith alone in Christ alone.

[@TheThinkInstitute]

Louis, do you believe that Federalism actually is the original intent of the drafters of teh 1689 Confession?

[@victormashatt6358]

The new covenant is a fulfillment by Christ of the covenant of works or obedience. Obedience fulfilled the law for those who Christ came to save. Obedience is still the requirement for justification. But Christ was obedient for us, for those who He came to save.

[@daric_]

Did Pastor Louis refer to himself in the third person when he said he would be debating JD on the Sabbath?

[@BMB535]

I think yes

[@BMB535]

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[@teresalee9997]

And you are correct regarding salvation. However covenant theology is not the best way to interpret the scriptures in my opinion you can agree to disagree with me or you can agree to agree with me.

[@samuelaguilar9668]

What is the Difference between 1689 Federalism and 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith?

[@KriegWaters]

1689 Federalism is an interpretation of the 1689 Confession of Faith that aims to be truer to the authors' original intent.

[@samuelaguilar9668]

@@KriegWaters Thank you!

[@teresalee9997]

I have to agree with you moe

[@maxstrange7606]

The book of Hebrews speaks of two major Covenants, The Mosaic and the New, the First and the Second. Hebrews contrast these two major Covenants, not 6 or 7 covenants.

[@maxstrange7606]

The New Testament writers see the Law as one unit, even Christ. There is no clear moral, civil, and ceremonial distinction. If so, where?

[@MoeBergeron]

A gross misrepresentation of NCT's use of the OT law. All who I know would be in agreement with 2 Timothy 3:16-17. "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

[@leecooper6411]

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[@teresalee9997]

Was not questioning salvation..I did not care as for how this young man choice to interpret the Bible.

[@maxstrange7606]

Christ did not fulfill the covenant of works. Let us speak the way the Bible speaks. Christ fulfilled the Law (one unit) and all righteousness. Let us not hold to categories never mentioned in the Bible (covenant works/grace). Let us use the clear language given us in the Bible.

[@collin501]

If Christ fulfilled the law in the sense of it it being complete and done away with on the day He died, then what does Paul mean in these passages in Romans, suggesting the law is continuing to be fulfilled in and through our lives based on Christ's work? So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law. For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God. Romans 2 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, Romans 7:6‭-‬7‭, ‬22 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:3‭-‬4‭, ‬7‭, ‬13 It looks to me like we were freed from the letter of the law, but the intent is that the spirit of the law still be fulfilled in our lives. So isn't the law still being fulfilled each and every day, but just the spirit of it and not the letter?

[@maxstrange7606]

@@collin501 How does Jesus and the Apostles define what the spirit of the law is? They describe the Law as "Obsolete", "Fading," "slavery," (Gal 2:4), not in step with the Gospel (Gal.2:14), nullifes grace (Gal. 2:21), placing people under a curse (Gal. 3:10), held captive (Gal. 3:23), imprisoned and under a guardian (Gal.3:25), enslaved (Gal.4:3), Mt. Sinai bearing children for slavery (Gal.4:24), cast it out (Gal.4:30-31), yoke of slavery (Gal. 5:1), etc. Christians are released/set free/ from the requirements of the Law for justification & sanctification. Those requirements were "Do or Die." We are not under the Old Dispensation, the Old Covenant. We are New Covenant believers. The Law's purpose was to show that all men are sinners. We can definitely, as Christians, uphold that reality. The Law is not for believers but for unbelievers. Timothy 1:1:9 says, "Understanding this, that law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient." Paul argues that people who desire to teach the law wander into vain discussions and are without understanding in Timothy. "Nonetheless Paul's argument says, "If" If a man could...etc. Paul tells us that no man can in Romans 3:21 "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight" No man could keep the Law circumcised or not. The Law as One Unit (Civil, Ceremonial, Legal) as Jesus and the Apostles called it (Not the Tripartite framework from Calvin taught...though I love Calvin) kept people "captive." Being justified by the righteousness of God has always been the plan of God by the Spirit, not by works of the Law. The Law is good but was weakened by man's sin. The Law is like a mirror. Yet, you are not supposed to use the mirror to clean your face. It was meant to show sin. Now, as Christians, Jesus is the enfleshment of the Law of God. We look to Christ as our Perfect Law of Liberty. He is the Law incarnate. We look to Christ for our standard of righteousness and that is worked out in the imperatives of the N.T. So, we are not without law. The spirit of the law is worked out in a N.T. application, tied to the redemption in the Gospel (Imperatives tied to the indicatives). We are not ONLY justified apart from the works of the law, by the Spirit, and we are sanctified by the Spirit, not by works of the Law (Gal.3:3 "Beginning with the SPIRIT, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?")

[@collin501]

@@maxstrange7606 That is a good description of the letter of the law, and I agree with that description. But I believe the spirit of the law is different. That was the point I was trying to make. That the spirit of the law belongs to the new covenant and in the new covenant the law is written on our hearts. It is not only fulfilled by Christ apart from us, but also fulfilled in the lives of believers in Christ by His work. The letter of the law is a multitude of commandments, which sinners need to show them their sin. But the spirit of the law is to love God and to love one another, which is fulfilled in the lives of believers.

[@kennybelfast982]

The Law no longer functions as a means of salvation. That aspect of the Law was literally fulfilled by Christ. But it does still function as a principle of life and obedience in the heart of the regenerate. The Sermon on the Mount attests to this. The Sabbath remains an active principle, not as a civil law enacted one day out of the week, but as a relationship by those who are experiencing heavenly rest as believer's seated with Christ in heavenly places. Moral living is actualized according to the degree of our rest in Him, and Sabbath is the sphere in which morality is developed. Therefore, NT Sabbath is a moral law, experienced first in the spiritual realm in order to develop an earthly community that will adhere to a righteous standard of living. The totality of the Ten Laws given to Moses still remains a paradigm exemplifying instructions to live by. In Hebrews 4:3 the believers are entering His rest; the verb is in the present tense. And, Heb 12:22, the church has come to Mount Zion; already a reality, written in the perfect tense.

[@maxstrange7606]

I agree with some of what you say. However, when did the Law of Moses ever function as a means of salvation? The New Testament never says that. "If righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose" (Gal. 2:20). The Law was a mirror to reveal sin in us and to show our utter helplessness and bankruptcy of achieving righteousness by law keeping. It says we were redeemed from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13), we should not be sanctified by the law (3:3), we were held captive to the law (3:23), we were redeemed from being under it (4:5), etc. The Law is contrasted continually against grace by Jesus and N.T authors.

[@ricosuave4465]

The Law was NEVER a means of salvation. It was always grace through faith

[@jacobmaier8993]

This is foolishness.