(1769) Secura Coin Locker from Arlington Lock

[@ryanwilson_canada]

It's like putting an abloy core in a shimmable padlock. Haha. Great video as always Bill, hope everyone is staying safe.

[@spudhead169]

I know this is a lock channel but the parallel here to encryption back doors is brilliant. This is exactly the type of analogy to show to senators and stuff while trying to explain the dangers of encryption back doors.

[@juantermo6996]

can we take a second to apreciate how much does this guy care about actual security

[@sebastiannielsen]

also you were a bit wrong when you said it was on the door. The lock mechanism is usually in the wall inbetween 2 boxes, and the lock bolt extends into a slot in the door. In this way, the coin box can be at the very bottom (so each column of lockers have 1 coin box). This is why they have the tipping coin mechanism for when you unlock - to make it easier/possible to refund you incase something goes wrong with the locker. So the locker only "commits" to the transaction once the locker is unlocked again. Also the button is not something you press manually, but a flag on the door will push the button when its closed, preventing the locker from locking without the door closed.

[@markcaldwell1245]

You are correct. So the guy messing with the door wants whatever is in the locker where as the guy messing around the coin box on the floor is after the change.

[@GaryCameron780]

Nailed it. I used to use this type of lock or one very similar at the swimming pool.

[@rayarsenault4774]

We have the same lockers at the pool by my house, and the manager key is the same style as the operating key. The coin box also uses the same style lock, but isn't the same as the manager key. That lets the lifeguard open the lockers for you if you lose your key, without getting access to the coin box.

[@RocRizzo]

I understand your concern, but most of the places where these lockers are have video surveillance nearby, if not right at the bank of lockers. If someone who was not authorized followed your scenario, the person would soon be found out, and apprehended. Granted, it is a stupid way to manage a locker system, but there are other security measures in place these days.

[@BryanTorok]

That was my thought. It might not stop the thief, but there would be a video record to back up your report that your property was in the locker and removed by someone other than you.

[@helidude3502]

Obi And everyone is “required” to wear a mask these days. Not really an issue as businesses are ransacked and destroyed for little reason with virtually no consequence.

[@john050994]

@@helidude3502 true but let's keep politics out of out good man's channel.

[@markcaldwell1245]

Meanwhile you stuff is gone never to be recovered because they were able to sell it on the black market seconds after they stole it but hey you have a great video of it happening, lol.

[@watcherofwatchers]

Video surveillance, especially in a busy location, is usually only useful after the crime has been committed.

[@1000rr2008cbr]

Another very well done, no BS video. Thank you for your time and effort in making these.......

[@avataru_]

Interesting. All the storage boxes I've seen here (Europe) have locks that give you back the coin. Granted these were in shopping malls and big stores such as IKEA.

[@VibrantlyBrantly]

Do you mean they have a coin return if you don't take out the key? Because I've seen those here in the country of my origin (America[US]) or do you mean you only temporarily pay for stowing?

[@avataru_]

@@VibrantlyBrantly the lock just temporarily holds the coin. You get it back when you open the door. Most current locks are electronic and allow you to set a pin number but some some of them still require coins for some reason.

[@VibrantlyBrantly]

@@avataru_ blame "Big Coin"

[@DeKempster]

The ones I know the mechanism is not accessible from the outside. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYHQeIegqNBosM0 A German TV program about it.

[@johndododoe1411]

@@avataru_ The coin is a (partial) deposit for the cost of rekeying if you don't return the key before that 9 PM deadline. Same psychology as the coin deposited in shopping trolleys. Physically it's the lock from this video with an open coin tray on the back of the door, allowing the customer to take back their coin only if they return the key and turn it to drop the coin from that bottom mechanism. The ones I see are not electronic and have no power source. They have hardened glass doors as a partial countermeasure against depositing bombs like Italian fascists did in the 1980s to blame communists for blowing up entire train stations with hundreds of civilians killed. Many train station lock boxes were disabled or removed all over Europe in response.

[@dfpguitar]

the sight of this lock gives me warm childhood feelings. I think (but unsure) they were used on coin operated rocker rides for toddlers at shopping malls. I do distinctly remember there being a circular round steel dome button on the face , as a coin return I think.

[@ccadama]

@Bosnianbill. Thanks Bill not only for the cautionary education on these locker locks but for giving me my daily dose of a lock rake attack. It's sad to see how vulnerable the manufacturer made that master lock. Hope you and your family stay safe and well.

[@gadgetiom]

Secura make no mention of this particular manager lock on their site. And all of their lockers I've seen/used in the wild have the same slider lock mechanism as the customer lock.

[@BigE36]

The lockers at my work use the slider type lock for the managers lock as well.

[@mfx1]

Possibly an older model? Online images suggest the managers lock is original, maybe a cost cutting measure, a lot cheaper to replace if the master key gets lost/stolen by an employee.

[@BigE36]

@@mfx1 ours are a different brand of lock.

[@BakedAloha]

I remember those lockers in airports as a kid.. Funny I totally forgot they used to be a part of traveling

[@JohnSmith-gs4lw]

That and pay phones. How many generations do we have now that only know pay phones from “old” movies? Hey, without a pay phone, how are you going to answer your pager when it goes off?

[@johndododoe1411]

@@JohnSmith-gs4lw And how will you make your cellphone ring from the bottom of whichever shopping bag you left it in? Or call a cab to retrieve your cellphone from the guy that found it?

[@mrkultra1655]

Thanks Bill

[@luan6862]

A calm bosnianbill intro i don't have to prepare myself for? Full of surprises Bill :D.

[@MarcLerchs]

Absolutely fantastic ! Elegant = : >>>>

[@jiukumite]

Bill! Awesome stuff as always! Thanks for making me think! I'll keep watchin' 'til your tired of filmin'. 😊

[@harrytoe9162]

I like the way this guy things about making some extra change

[@ttwbushcraftandoutdoors6473]

Thanks Bill, great as always

[@NothingPicksLocks]

Happy Friday Bill!

[@Tone260]

Great episode, do more like this!

[@pheenix42]

We have the same system on the lockers at our roller rink here in town. Time to re-think the use of these critters....

[@Zerbey]

Many lockers are moving to electronic designs, I don't know if they're more secure but they don't have this particular vulnerability. In other news, this sent me right back to my childhoods at the local swimming pool, they used the exact same locks. They've been around a long time, this was back in the 1980s.

[@lokichoki_]

Jigglers I use for these wafer and little pin locks are just as fast as a key it truly is funny about the world when you see springs and stamped steel with eyes open ;)

[@junkman8742]

Great video and explanation

[@mailmanbob5838]

I work with these and they use sliders for both locks. Also it’s not easy to remove the whole unit when it’s in the locked position

[@markh5210]

I have seen locks like this at a public (municipal) swimming pool where the coin was refunded. The button was pushed in by a flap on the door another, lower down, covered the coin return slot. I found that it was possible to push in the button and remove the key releasing the coin (the locker door would still be open). The one in the video looks more advanced with the coin being retained until the key was returned (which is less important in a lock that does not refund the deposit). Better designed lockers (in terms of coin retention, not necessarily from the lock picking perspective) have the coin mechanism inside the door and would only release the coin when the lock had been opened. Most gyms have lockers that take the users own padlock- this has the advantage that an abandoned lock can be destructively removed without a new key having to be sourced.

[@zwz.zdenek]

There are similar lockers in some local shopping centers, but they give you the coin back after you return the key. It's like shopping carts in a way.

[@patrickpeace9733]

So I was poking around the Secure website to see if I could find any information on the management key since it looks to be a common key, and found that it looks like Secura no longer uses the wafer lock in their product and instead looks to be the same type of slider lock used in the customer lock.

[@fearofchicke]

Nice opening.

[@stephanc7192]

It is scary how your mind works Bill! 😂🤣😂🤣

[@bryceonyoutube]

In the UK in most places we have replaced keyed lockers with digital lockers where your given a receipt with a claim code and you pay any excess charges later on. However with the Terrorism threats most places have replaced lockers with fully manned secure storage where your stuff is X-ray scanned and you get a claim voucher and you hand it to the person and you get your stuff back after making payment.b

[@michaelkartman3543]

Wow bill that is in depth! I found this really interesting, but more interesting is your ability to get into the criminal mindset! You should really work with business on fixing holes and weak points in their security.

[@NivagSwerdna]

That was interesting. I didn't realise that the customer key mechanism was tricky to pick... assumed that would be weak too.

[@markgrutz]

Just looking at the Secura web site, it looks like the current versions of this have the same type of manager key, and coin box key as the customer keys. The crappy wafer locks look like an old version. (www.securacoinlocker.com/coin-parts.php)

[@gadgetiom]

Mark Grutzmacher true. Though I can't find any reference to an older version. There's a good chance the manager lock was just swapped out by a third party.

[@LockpickingsGal]

Great video!! Love the intro!!

[@DeerHunter2000]

Looks like you could use a plain old metal slug instead of a quarter also.

[@xidarian]

Sure but you couldn't get your slug back with a string so you'd have to find a good source of cheap slugs to make it worth it.

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@xidarian If you put a bit of glue on it, it won't fall down either, so you can reuse it.

[@PIPER1084]

@@xidarian cardboard and glue

[@alexb.1320]

​@@xidarian Looks like with a bit of practice you could hold the string to let the coin move along with the mechanism far enough to fully trip the opening mechanism, then hold the coin in suspension at that point, and retrieve it when you return to get your contents. The trick is finding a way to secure the string so it isn't noticable to any authority figure walking by doing a general inspection.

[@JohnSmith-gs4lw]

That’s a lot of effort to save $0.25. Unless you guys are using Krugerrands in your lockers. Also risking a misdemeanor charge and forfeiture of your bag.

[@markcaldwell1245]

I am enjoying all of the people talking about video surveillance while all of the stuff in the locker is gone for good but hey there is a grainy video of the thief for your viewing pleasure. Lol

[@georgeeads8689]

I do see your point and to some extent I agree. There are security cameras everywhere and if someone is doing their job you will get caught in the act.

[@andrewstoll4548]

Why don't they use the same kind of lock for the managers lock??

[@GutterClown]

Primarily; Likely so customers ('Users') wouldn't try to jam their key into the wrong lock. Secondarily, just so there's no chance that worn / jiggled key would ever open the Managers cylinder. They could spend a couple extra dollars for something different, but more secure, on the Managers locks. But different is intentional - think about all the different types / nationalities / aptitudes of persons using these. Has to be idiot proof.

[@gadgetiom]

In certain models they do

[@Pyrolock]

@ABLOY EXPERT Thanks for link

[@TheChipmunk2008]

I love this intro

[@bradw0535]

Very interesting lock and tutorial Bill.. a shame they didn't use a similar slider lock for the master key 🤔

[@johncage3025]

You’re logic is on point, but at least there’s plenty of cameras around anymore to probably prevent the whole lock key switch a roo thing from lasting more than 2 days

[@fastpack6130]

When a bathroom lock is more pick resistant than a masterlock

[@ManiacalMichael504]

When these are used in transit stations or the like, they are usually in a busy area where you'd never get maybe more than one minute alone with it. You'd never pull off the cylinder swap unless maybe you brought in a whole other unit already prepped. However, one place I have seen these is in gyms. If you really coordinate it, you might be able to pull that off, but is it really worth it.... (And besides, a lot of these are going to end up in surplus given the state of gyms these days)

[@mfx1]

A better system would be a very loud alarm that sounds if the master key is used/lock removed but alarm can be disarmed by a separate high security master control, given these are usually in public places a decent alarm would be a significant deterrent. A downside of fitting a higher security master keyed lock to every locker is high replacement cost if the key is lost/stolen by an employee.

[@MotorheadRedo]

Good Video!

[@mc911c8]

I think the managers camlock on this installation was a replacement. All the lockers that I’ve ever seen have high security locks on both parts and the instructions even showed the high security cam on the top part.

[@brianstraight9308]

I'm just wondering how reasonably possible it would be for a person to go into a train station, airport, convention center or wherever there's enough of these lockers for there to be an effort-worthy level of use, but for them to go in there with their copied master key and start emptying lockers and coin boxes at 8:00 or an hour before the end of the day. I mean, usually these places aren't in secluded areas or hidden away, usually they're in high-traffic areas in high traffic places that's monitored and with there being security and video surveillance around. I'd think picking the master lock alone would be hard to do in such an area.

[@SomeMorganSomewhere]

Wear an appropriate looking uniform and you would probably get away with it. If you look like you're supposed to be there most people won't give it a second thought (you'll still have to avoid getting your face on surveillance though)

[@DarrellGrainger]

We had those in Canada when I was a kid. Might still be there. The way they worked was a little different. The hard to pick lock was the only lock per locker. There might be 9 lockers in a column. When you locked your locker, the coin would drop to the very bottom of the column. At the very bottom of each column was a coin box. The coin box had a single lock that was easily picked. If you picked it and opened it, you would get all the coins for the day. You would not be able to open the locker. I think for each locker, they had 2 keys. So if you wanted to open the locker, you had to use a key in the same place as the original key. As someone using the locker, you open the locker, put your stuff in. When you closed the door a tab on the door pressed the button. Now you drop a coin in the lock, turn the key. The locker is locked, you can remove the key and the coin drops to the very bottom of the locker column. As someone working at the lockers, at 9pm at night I would open the coin box at the bottom and collect all the coins. If any of the lockers were still locked, I would have to find the key for that locker, open the locker, take your luggage out, put a note in there telling you were to collect your luggage, use one of the coins from the coin box and the key I used to open it to re-lock the locker. The duplicate key comes out, the coin drops to the bottom (but I haven't put the coin box back yet, so I can easily get the coin again). I then put the coin box back and move to the next column. In this system the only vulnerability was someone could pick the coin box lock and get all the coins for the day. Another vulnerability was people would use slugs from electrical boxes instead of a real coin. Those slugs were the same size as a quarter, so they worked really well.

[@101br03k]

nice intro

[@markbernier8434]

have you ever looked at safety deposit boxes?

[@237photo]

You should do another video picking the bottom user lock

[@um5785]

My thought is whether or not the "manager key" is unique to other lockers from the same manufacturer. I suspect that once you have cloned one "manager key" you might very well have a key for every locker system regardless of where it is as long as it is of the same design

[@jeseniahernandez8795]

Did you pick gerda lock yet?

[@usp211816]

I'm curious if the "slug on a string" wouldn't still work on the coin mechanism. I've bypassed quite a few coin-operated devices with a feeler gauge or paper clips as well, but it doesn't look like that would work here. The worst offender I've seen is a plastic candy dispenser where a pocket knife and a little pressure spun the lock on the back where the coins were stored. The Vending operators never even asked why there were bills in it instead of coins when we used ti to make change.

[@VibrantlyBrantly]

Do you even need to rake it? Could you turn the entire core with nothing more than a beefy enough screwdriver? That metal tab doesn't look like it would be permitted by anything from rotating 🔄 far enough due to such a short travel distance of the threads on the cast outer portion of the lock.

[@dragade101]

Yes and powertools would get you in but if you want to have access to all lockers with the same ease. AND never being detected... You want to be able to replace the old lock

[@VibrantlyBrantly]

@@dragade101 Sorry, I should have specified, "without damaging it" I've used that technic with similar cabinet locks then turned them back to the original position without much effort with a screwdriver.

[@dragade101]

@@VibrantlyBrantly got you! I've mixed results with using a harden end to manipulate the cylinder like that. You might have a better touch. That is under closer inspection.

[@robertoswalt319]

I just learned something. I didn't think anyone still used those lockers any more after a rash of bombings in the past. The gyms that I have gone to have a hasp and allow you to bring your own padlock or rent one from the desk. But then again. I have limited exposure to a lot of places.

[@FredGandt]

wow. just ... wow

[@YehudaKatz1]

I have seen lots of these lockers with the master key replaced with a similar slider lock.

[@williamgallop9425]

One key to open them all, One key to find them, One key to pick them all, And into shame bind them, In the land of Locks Where the Pickers live. . . . Sauron was actually good in poetry.

[@MerkDolf]

I remember last year, I had a kind of long wait between connections and for the life of me I couldn't find any of those dang lockers. I thought they were with the Dodo

[@scott_meyer]

Are you sure that lock will come out with the bolt extended?

[@bosnianbill]

Yes. Think about it for a moment. If it DIDN'T, how would the locker owner access a locked box? How would the owner open the locker if someone lost the key?

[@scott_meyer]

@@bosnianbill It's obvious it would come out with the bolt retracted to access the coins. I would say you would have to pull the lock if the renter never comes back. I worked for Diebold many years ago and would open safe deposit boxes that either the renters key was lost or they were way behind on rent. If the renter was not present, I would use a slide hammer and have the door open in less than 30 seconds. If the renter was present I used a tool that slowly opened the door by a screw mechanism. In either case the lock was junk and would need to be replaced.

[@scott_meyer]

@@bosnianbill The tab on the bottom would keep the lock from rotating out from behind the bolt receiver and the bolt keeps the top of the lock from tipping away from the door. It appears to me without the renters key in place, it's locked.

[@omsi-fanmark]

@@scott_meyer Unless the button (not explained in the video) causes the bolt to retract after turning the managers key.

[@gadgetiom]

@@scott_meyer If you look at the cut in the locker door for the bolt to engage in you will see that it is profiled to allow the mechanism to be angled forward and removed.

[@danielengel3958]

Do you have a CH751 key that you can try in the managers lock? It looks suspiciously like one...

[@gadgetiom]

I thought so too at first. Closer inspection of a still-frame leads me to think it might be a CompX Fort. Possibly Keyed Alike to 237. Also leads me to think that it might not be a manufacturer issued one.

[@thomasceuppens9811]

@@gadgetiom I think you've nailed it, looks like the same key bitting and branding look fairly identical

[@scottcol23]

Ahh CH751 "America's key" I have one on my key ring because it opens the coffee machine at work.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Just for fun, I searched eBay for CH751. 123 results. I noticed many of the titles included "baggage lock" so I searched for "CH751 baggage". 21 hits. Other uses claimed in the title were camper, trailer, shower, compartment, tool box, RV, hatch, boat, etc.

[@SilktheAbsent1]

I wouldn't use one in a general access area like an airport, but in a place you have to already pay to get into (Sea World San Diego had them last time I went a few years ago, for example), I'd be more okay with them, since they were already inside the gates, and had video cameras in the locker room.

[@N8Deathrider]

What's interesting is I've actually been able to pick one if these through the coin slot consistently with a jiggler in zero time

[@SMArtMetalArt]

Hmmm - do they really get the mechanism out with the master key if the custom lock (and so the side slider) is still engaged ?

[@gadgetiom]

Yes. The door has a profiled cut to facilitate this.

[@Romuls753]

Master keyed locks are often secondary measures as they're under surveillance, especially in airports

[@plug4uk696]

It's a bit like the secret tunnels into and out of the castles, once you're in you can get to the treasury room ;-)

[@johndododoe1411]

Those are meant as the escape from the giant army laying siege to the front gate once out, ride to get another army to chase them away or bring enough of your special forces (knights) from inside to hit the attacking army.

[@aserta]

Isn't the security of these mostly based on the fact that they are in a public space presumably under surveillance? Been a while since i put my bag in a locker.

[@5688gamble]

But if you are covering the locker with your body they won't be able to properly see what you are doing and raking or jiggling is fast enough that you probably just look like you are collecting your stuff, besides CCTV stations aren't constantly manned and in many places, particularly unmanned stations, by the time anybody gets out you could have emptied out everything, and since wearing a mask isn't suspicious these days, even in a manned station you could get a couple and leave and they couldn't see your face! Actually why bother, just rob a bank, most places instruct tellers to comply if you hand them a note even and since you are wearing a mask unchallenged, you can retain your anonymity while you do it!

[@craig4320]

So the sliders don't bind no matter how much tension is applied? How do they do that? Why don't more lock manufacturers do it?

[@twjohnson1203]

Rental Locker: "You're killing me Bill! Now I have to go into another business."

[@kareno8634]

lol was thinking good business to start . . . and then the Word, "CART" came up. a Definite giveaway

[@NetVicious]

They only need to change the manager lock on all the lockers with a more secure one.

[@Liberty4Ever]

That master lock was easy enough to be a MasterLock.

[@quartfeira]

God, this is scary!😱

[@johnmorgan1629]

Did that come off of locker C18 by any chance? All hail Bill All hail Bill

[@jonasaman9104]

BE KIND, REWIND

[@hoosierlocksporter7907]

Get shorty?

[@WillPhoneman]

@@hoosierlocksporter7907 MIB 2

[@StyxHackshop]

Good video Bill - the mechanism in the rear as a whole is the most interesting part! Also pretty staggering that a higher security locks would be used for the user lock rather than the owner lock. I would honestly like to think that many owners upgrade that part..!

[@gadgetiom]

Secura make no mention of this particular manager lock on their site. And all of their lockers I've seen/used in the wild have the same slider lock mechanism as the customer lock.

[@theriaultlock1900]

The company no longer uses that type of key for the managers lock. It is now the same type of key as the renters key.

[@robinbrowne5419]

NO WAY I'm leaving my luggage in a locker where Bill can steal it. :-)

[@theprofessionalhobbyist802]

I get the whole issue with the lame wafer lock at the top, but can you open and remove the entire thing with that lock when the coin lock is locked with the locking bar sticking out the side? I would think that the top lock wouldn't work if the coin lock was locked, just based on the design. Maybe I'm mistaken... but that would at least offer a little more security if the locker was in use. Otherwise, as Bill said, anyone with the master wafer key could rob a locker in seconds.

[@Kit_Bear]

looks like someone removed the managers core and replaced it with an inferior one judging from the spec sheet.

[@mfx1]

Online images suggest the managers lock is original, maybe a cost cutting measure, a lot cheaper to replace if the master key gets lost/stolen by an employee.

[@scott_meyer]

These lockers are usually in high traffic public areas.

[@bryanmay4118]

How do you adjust the coin amount? Like info wanted to adjust it from 1 quarter to 2 quarters?

[@QPatriot07]

That master key just removes that lock from that locker. The coin box is a drawer at bottom of each column of lockers and it has its own lock. Also, the button is pressed by a tab on the door. It's so you don't lock it with the door open.

[@omsi-fanmark]

I'm imagining a poor homeless beggar with some lockpicking skills. Not because of the luggage, but because of the coins. A small improvement for a poor soul.

[@parapicktog7734]

Airports, train stations, bus stations, public pools, gyms, there are hundreds of places that use coin operated lockers. If a thief was smart they could leave the contents and just take the money from the coin box....except leave a few. It would look like the locker just didn't have a lot of use, and a thief could empty the coins out over and over many times before they caught on. Just make it a routine.and wear an official looking uniform.

[@lewisheasman]

Woah woah woah. Easy now bill. Leave those peoples belongs alone. Such a mad man.

[@Paxmax]

I clicked like... I'm no. 666... Yes, these are vulnerable as heck, when I was young I did not stay entirely legal and I picked locks like this on soda vending machines. I also glued a tough thin thread to coins, put them in the machine, bought a soda, pulled my coin back up the mechanism. The vending machine has another weakness, the coin you put in would always drop straight to the coin box but you could also cancel the transaction, getting a fresh coin/change from a stack inside. I kind of exploited that feature too. In the end it "only" cost them a few sodas because the excess money was put back into their own arcade machines. Geez, I feel so bad about it being adult... so I stay legal.

[@dragade101]

I am liking China's building key policy, more and more. You see the key rings that open up every corporate building in the usa. It isnt that many keys to have access. Some a lot more public than they should ever be.

[@Joe.Rogan.]

After all the movies I've seen where the Criminal stashes a duffel bag full of stolen crash or drugs at the airport in one of those lockers has got me thinking...

[@charlesdahmital8095]

Gee Bill. You seemed to get pretty excited while describing how you could make a copy and steel everything. Something you want to tell us?

[@philthejet]

Ah man, I hope all the train station/airport rats aren't watching your vids. I was in Paris France last year and those lockers are guarded; you have to go through security and they xray your luggage before you can put it in the locker just like in an airport. Thanks for the video and stay safe out there.

[@sebastiannielsen]

no its not just the lockers that are guarded. You have to get through xray/metal scanner just to get to the "secure boarding side". But ofcourse they ought to have some checkin solution or "cargo desk" or whatever, incase you want to take knives or other prohibited items with you. (checkin solution / cargo desk = a place where you checkin you main luggage, which will then be inaccessible - on a cargo traincar - during the trip - and then you only have your "handbaggage" which is only cabin-permitted items)

[@philthejet]

@@sebastiannielsen yes, there is a full security check in France. The subject is the locker so your point is?

[@johndododoe1411]

@@sebastiannielsen France and Italy had some train stations terror bombed by bombs in unattended coin lockers. They may still be keeping the TSA countermeasures.

[@tomherron4334]

Interesting how they designed the lock to hold onto the quarter until the key is returned. I wonder why they designed it that way rather than just have the coin drop into the coin box immediately.

[@xidarian]

Probably the cheapest and most reliable design they have come up with so far. I doubt you'd be able to get your coin back with a string through it unless you just left the string hanging out while you left your luggage in it.

[@stevebollinger3463]

Because this way you can use the same mechanism on a bank of lockers which returns your coin instead of keeping it. They just put a coin return slot at the bottom of the column instead of a secure box. Then the locker will keep your coin until you return the key. If it dropped the coin immediately you could lock multiple lockers with one coin and keep all the keys.

[@tomherron4334]

@@stevebollinger3463 That makes sense. Thanks!

[@Liberty4Ever]

Why go to the trouble of replacing the master lock and impressioning the old master lock so you can come back later for a one time hit to steal a bunch of suitcases at once (how suspicious would that be?) when the master locks can be opened in a few seconds with a jiggler key, allowing one or two suitcases per day to be stolen?

[@stanburton6224]

That looks a lot like a CH751.... is it?

[@jayyyzeee6409]

Or after having made a master key, put the original master-keyed lock back in, then every day, empty each coin tray except for a few quarters each and leave the belongings alone, then lock them back up. That way, no one will report anything missing and the operator will just think they're having slow days. Meanwhile, you've got a nice ongoing revenue stream.

[@jonwright6661]

We have those lockers but the manager key is nothing like that. It’s more secure than that style lock.

[@llllN30llll]

I like criminal Bosnian Bill 😂

[@WOWayne325]

A criminal just got a fantastic idea from you... Great job Bill..

[@frankbiz]

What I would do if I had to put my valuables in on of those is stick gum in the upper lock so it can't be raked. 👍🏻

[@robertdean1923]

I doubt you'd be able to get the panel out when the big locking slider is in the locked position making the managers lock a non-issue when the customers lock is locked.

[@peterinbrat]

Hey, who's that guy with the bulging pockets???