177: Examining The Wife Beating Verse (Surah an-Nisa, 34) | Our Prophet

[@Thaqlain]

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[@adamnouri23]

The best example of solving marital dispute is when the holy prophet told that husband and wife ; one of you shall be patient ,, the other shall be thankful. Both the patient and the thankful shall be highly rewarded by Allah Almighty. Case closed.

[@ayturalfil]

I love prophet muhammed (sawas) and his ahlalbayt (as)!!!❤❤❤❤❤

[@ayturalfil]

The quran is the most amazing book, I love reading the quran!!!❤❤❤❤❤

[@CristianoRonaldo-li9gu]

Exactly what it means. Allah knows best. May he give us all good married lives❤

[@_hazel_dark_star_9405]

I think beating can worsen the situation and might DELETE the love in her heart forever for the husband.

[@Thaqlain]

Indeed. Sayed has shared this :)

[@ansarrahim3331]

Truly enlightening information regarding the misconceptions perceived Ahsant

[@tasneembootwala8308]

Syed What about if husband fails on his part of fulfilling his duties and his wife out of her concern for their dignity doesn't want to take the matter out of the house? What does islam suggest for her?

[@cosmiccorp7837]

I think he covers it in this video.

[@thetruth27786]

Nowhere does it say women cant beat their husbands,we will get our brothers to beat them

[@Abujoudofkush3178]

Salam Alaikom Sheikh Sayed, I'm not technically a Shiate but I think you have great insight and I like that you open the floor for discussion. It's a hard topic to tackle so thank you for addressing it. I subscribed. I disagree with your interpretation of "Nushuz" as declining intimacy. Married men will know their wives decline intimacy 80% of the time haha lol. Nushuz means "elavation/arrogance/going above the law" in classical Arabic. If you examine the text of surat Al Nisaa up to verse 34, you will not find refusal of intimacy, but rather the following: 1. Consuming the money of the orphan (verse 2) 2. Trying to consume more of the heritage that Allah has ascribed (verse 12,13, 14, 32) 3. Infidelity/Adultery/Fornication (verse 15, 16) With that context in mind "Nushuz" is a woman who is specifically transgressing the above discussed rules. Allah referred to them as boundires (Hudud) in verse 13. You're talking about someone who is going after money that isn't hers and is seeking extramarital relationships. Very serious domestic offences. والله أعلم

[@Thaqlain]

Salaam Alaykum. We have covered Nushuz of men in the previous episode. So that should allow to develop the complete context.

[@clementhaa]

This brothers comment made me laugh a lot. Thanks brother very useful point to bring may Allah give happiness to your family

[@youwantfood9586]

Your comment saved my iman so fast.. May Allah bless you

[@souadmadbouh8925]

It'll be good if we're able to hear what the people in the room are asking the sheikh.

[@Thaqlain]

Salaam Alaykum. We have discussed this with Sayed already. We will be improved in future recorded sessions.

[@Dawah-Ali]

How can I access Shia Hadith books online? I can never find websites or apps like I can with Sunni Hadiths.

[@Thaqlain]

There are many websites and books available online. Sharing one link for reference hadith.academyofislam.com/

[@josefrcm9725]

Some followers of AhlulBayt from Turkiye addressed this issue in a recent KZbin video. According to their studies/research the arabic word "darraba" (to hit) does also mean to (get) "separate", in conclusion to get divorced.

[@Thaqlain]

The sayings and practice of Ahlulbayt are quite extensive on this issue.

[@evanfreshman2450]

Yes, it means "to strike" but if you look it's the word in Arabic you use for "hitting the road" or "going on strike." Its figurative like so many things in Arabic. Unfortunately, without the proper guidance a violent man is going to see an allowance to beat his wife in an unhappy marriage when all it actually says is to have a frank discussion, if the problem persists withhold intimacy, and if she doesn't come around then you leave the home, if they still won't change then divorce them permanently. The same surely goes for a woman to her husband, if he's treating you wrong you talk to him, if he doesn't improve you stop being intimate, if things are still bad you go to family or a friend, and if he still doesn't see his error then good riddance.

[@evanfreshman2450]

That said, as he points out, if you want to take it literally it needs to be in the context of the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (s) who was not a violent person and at most suggested hitting someone who caused you offense with a twig in a way that didn't cause injury. The Quran likewise counsels Job to pardon his wife and instead of giving 100 lashes with a rope to hit her once with a hundred blades of grass. A symbolic penalty. When there was a plot against Imam Ali's (a) life, they were caught before they could carry it out. He did not kill them because as he said, they had not murdered him, and it would be unjust to punish them for a crime they hadn't actually committed. His companion insisted they had cursed Ali so Ali simply said then curse them back. Ali had complete faith in the protection and justice of Allah (swt). When Allah (swt) chose for him be martyred he went to his death willingly. The perpetrator was put to death by his successor Imam Hasan (a) as was just.

[@noone-xp9sh]

If the husband isn't fulfilling his marital duties or is verbally abusing her or is making her upset, can she refuse to be intimate with him?

[@Thaqlain]

The solutions for this issue are in this video and the previous video.

[@tasneembootwala8308]

Masha Allah Masha Allah

[@MM-rb6lu]

Misogyny is decidedly unQuranic and was never allowed. If this verse literally meant "beat" why didn't our beloved Rasulullah and Ahlul Bait practically demonstrate the practice..?? Read M Asads footnote on the verse. Dr Ali Shariati and Shaykh Musa Sadr rejected abuse of wife's based on this verse.

[@abdullahibrahimhabhab]

Mashaallah great speech and explanation. Thanks a lot a may Allah reward all of you dear brothers and sisters. Sayyed is very competent mashaallah.

[@Herman47]

*What steps does the Quran dictate for the WIFE who fears her HUSBAND h"as committed "Nushuz"?*

[@Thaqlain]

Please check the previous episode :)

[@mortezaho3eini68]

amazing explantion

[@Xena517]

The Bible too gives that advice to men about abandoning the marital bed.

[@matthewball8147]

Where? What bible are you reading? The bible actually says only abstain from relations with your spouse if you both agree AND for a time to get closer to God. In fact... The Bible states One Man, One woman and if you divorce for ANY other reasons then death or your partner's sexual immorality... If you find another you're an adulterer.

[@abudujana13]

JAZAKALLAH KHAIR

[@DiaKhan-bi1fb]

Ahh mashallah baqer well explained you have such a great great mind to solve a problem may Allah subhanawatala truly blessed you I love the way he talking ✨🥰

[@Alefarega]

Read the whole Quran you’ll leave Islam!

[@DiaKhan-bi1fb]

@@Alefarega sorry am not understand what are you saying

[@idkwhy77]

@@Alefarega prove it.

[@youwantfood9586]

I don’t know why, however something about this is just.. giving a bad feeling. The Qu’ran always comforting, always loving, always kind to its believers so out of nowhere, encouraging to hit the wife just because she is un willing to do the thing is just..idk out of character from the Qu’ran? Wouldnt it be better to just divorce the woman if after constant talks about the matter she is un willing to rather then resorting to violence? I feel like there could be a better explanation.. Allah knows best

[@Thaqlain]

Quran discourages divorce. Hence it will go to any point that can realize the partners of a marriage their mistake.

[@NRFP]

What is best quranic tafsir for shia?

[@cosmiccorp7837]

Tafseer Al Namuna

[@NRFP]

@@cosmiccorp7837 Thanks dude. as sunni i want read it

[@MM-rb6lu]

Best Quran translations are M Asad (Leopold Weiss), Ali Qarai, Hammad Zaki, Asi

[@HadithOfThaqlain]

There is also Tafsir al-Mizan

[@nikoutoajaisai6310]

Alhamdulilah my brother may Allah reward you well. In the community where i grew up the women like to get licks from there husbsnd that is love

[@pagalimommy]

😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@NRFP]

My opinion about it. beating is only allow if wife make any illegal relationship with anyone from quranic contest. normally beating is not allow. if i am wrong then allah forgive me. sorry for bad english

[@BusyAngel9999]

Yeah you’re wrong, these kinds of accusations are for court and require witnesses otherwise you’re best bet is to divorce.

[@Thaqlain]

In Islam there is no "my opinion" :)

[@evanfreshman2450]

A husband cannot beat his wife even if he believes her to be unfaithful. Not even if he catches her in in the act. If there is an accusation of infidelity it has to be investigated and judged appropriately. Then it is up to the court to administer the appropriate corporal punishment, not her husband. For example, if a woman is blackmailed or coerced by her boss into an affair, she may be unfaithful for not telling you, but she is not criminally liable. If she seeks out an illicit relationship with her boss to curry favor, I might argue this is more similar to the idea of a servant or slave committing adultery and the penalty should be halved (although that's for a judge to decide). If she is simply cheating on you with another man independent of her livelihood out of lust or spite rather than seeking an honest divorce, then she would be subject to the full penalty. But the full penalty for sexual misconduct is a lashing, not a stoning. Respectfully, the Iranian government does not follow the Quran and Ahlulbait.

[@BusyAngel9999]

If I’m correct it had to do with a promise I think Prophet Noah made? It was some promise by a certain prophet and something happened where he was unable to fulfill his promise to God and so had to ‘beat’ his wife, all he did was gently stroke his wife with something. And God counted that as beating. That’s rather revealing in it of itself.

[@Thaqlain]

It was in regards to Prophet Ayub.

[@BusyAngel9999]

@@Thaqlain thank you!

[@zahidabukhari9973]

Who beats the husbands for their violations? What are the consequences for men? Men don't always take on responsibilities. Sometimes, it could be she is worn out after 4/5 children, looking after his family too. There are many other reasons.

[@Thaqlain]

The men who abuse their wives are condemned by Allah and His Messenger.

[@cosmiccorp7837]

Honestly, we need to say the meaning as is.. If it is beating that's what it is. Better than wives raising a child as a single mom for the whole life and sleeping with others to fulfill her needs. We need to really wake up to see what's going on in the society. These are the words of God and rest assure he talks with authority which not everyone is going to like weather Muslim or non Muslim. Can't have an apologetic approach towards this ayat which is potentially saving a marriage.

[@BusyAngel9999]

Accusing women of such things lands you in big trouble dude. You need proof and you definitely cannot make sweeping claims like that against Muslim women without proof. the punishment for such accusations lands you an immediate death sentence. If you cannot even make accusations the heck you think you have reason to beat, I’m sure God or your parents have reason to beat you, yet they aren’t. You are not some special class of organism

[@Thaqlain]

Firstly, this verse is not about a woman sleeping with others. Secondly, the Quran has to be understood through the words and Seerah of the Prophet and his progeny. Else, we will be migrating (Wahjuroo) as part of the second solution :)

[@thecritiquer9407]

​​@@Thaqlain true

[@Cuccaweepoo]

have ever considered the possibility that maybe it wasn't god that wrote the quran, but fallable human beings? from the 7th Century? a dare i say it MUCH less enlightened time

[@pandaaiman6644]

What if they're genuinely just not horny

[@Thaqlain]

That's a different case altogether.

[@HKHasty]

اضرب is more accurately to hit. Beat is too strong. Even in colloquial Arabic

[@Cuccaweepoo]

obviously there aren't any women in that room...

[@Thaqlain]

That's what you think :)

[@Cuccaweepoo]

i stand corrected

[@Cuccaweepoo]

@@Thaqlain do they mind being talked about like that?

[@Thaqlain]

There is nothing wrong with the discussion being held.

[@Cuccaweepoo]

​@@Thaqlain That's what you think :)

[@RobenArjen]

Beat is to harsh best is strike them out or

[@matthewball8147]

Islam calls Jesus a prophet, and says that other than being God on Earth the bible is moslty correct. Please explain the contrast between the words of Jesus in Ephesians 5:25. The Quran and the New Testament are so far from each other I cannot comprehend how you think they come from the same being. You say Peace Be Upon him... But reading of the one you declare a prophet. I see no peace, I see a warlord, a violent sexually immoral man who condones taking the wives of your enemies as sex slaves when Jesus told us to love our enemy. How can you say Jesus was real and a prophet while his messages were the exact opposite? I am legitimately trying to understand because I have felt the peace and love of my God I have felt the Spirit enter me and transform me and what is contained it that book... doesn't match.

[@Thaqlain]

It is indeed sad that in order to justify their own actions, those in power tainted the character of the Prophet. It is for this reason we have this series. Where we examine each of such accusation and provide the truth to it.

[@petepottieski6673]

Wow people believe in this crap. She as a person has the right to do whatever. She also has the right to terminate the contract. Ignoring your wife is immature. Oh the man... Supreme council lolol

[@nuradin1960]

This man is not saying the truth about the ayah👎👎👎