1860 Heavy Cavalry Saber (US Civil War) Cutting Tests!

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ThegnThrand

ThegnThrand

9 жыл бұрын

Eldgrim, Thrand and Marquez Test out Medieval Shoppes 1860 Heavy Cavalry Saber (US Civil War) cutting ability on pork flesh, heavy bottles, extreme rolled wet newspaper tatami as well as an analog gel head as bushwhacker would strike. So sit back grab an ale, mead or rum and enjoy this late century saber displace of awesome cutting ability!
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@Odood19
@Odood19 9 жыл бұрын
It's strange to think that swords were still a significant instrument of battle up until WWI, where confined spaces wouldn't allow for long blades.
@SailorBarsoom
@SailorBarsoom 9 жыл бұрын
That's pretty badass. And it's sobering to know that 150 years ago Americans were killing each other with blades like that. Would be a fine thing to own.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Sailor Barsoom Very true :D
@brothatscrazy3418
@brothatscrazy3418 9 жыл бұрын
Y'all really do deserve a larger audience I love the content on this channel it really is good
@smeghead765
@smeghead765 5 жыл бұрын
Having spent time in the Cav, this is a must own for me.
@DMEII
@DMEII 7 жыл бұрын
There was no such thing as an "1860" Heavy Cav sabre. There two main sabres used in the Civil War were the 1840 Heavy Cavalry Sabre and the 1860 Light Cavalry Sabre. I don't know why in the hell Cold Steel named their's the 1860 "heavy" Cavalry Sabre (I have owned one of their's) when in actuality it is a copy of the 1840 Heavy Cavalry Sabre. Btw, Cold Steel's is a fine sabre too. Well made and solidly made, well balanced, etc. A tiny bit heavy for my liking but well balanced none the less. And I cut with it and it will tear some shit UUUPPPPP!!!
@morten1975dk
@morten1975dk 5 жыл бұрын
agree.... They do that with most of their swords..Make mistakes!! Even their designs are always somewhat wrong to the originals they are trying to copy....Why that is is beyond me cause it would be just as easy to make it right, to begin with. If you want historical accuracy cold steel is not a good choice. quality of the steel/tempering and so on is good though.
@brianfuller7691
@brianfuller7691 4 жыл бұрын
Well, yes and no. The M1860 Heavy Cavalry Sabre technically replaced the M1840 but both were used through the war.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
As a joke I would say that cold steel calls it that because their blades tend to be heavy comparison historical counterparts lol
@Baulx138
@Baulx138 9 жыл бұрын
Thought I heard it mentioned before, but the apparel undoubtedly confirms it. Texas! looks good on ya if I must say. And great video!
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
DonCrazy92594 Thanks
@countercuIture
@countercuIture 7 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! I'm getting one of these as soon as I get the money. That is the most beautiful sword I've ever seen!
@backyardsounds
@backyardsounds 9 жыл бұрын
Ya'll are in my territory now. Very few sharpened that sword, and used mostly symbolically. However, we know it was sharpened to the hilt by General Nathan Bedford Forrest and he kicked some serious butt. I've yet to see the genuine article sharpened when I've found them for sale.
@LordEldgrimr
@LordEldgrimr 9 жыл бұрын
Jack T You are mostly right, but the question that we should be asking and is most deserving of examination is, what caused the phenomena? I postulate that it has to do with uniform requirements for the entire cavalry unit thus all were issued the M1862, but not all needed it for combat. Therefore, I would say that the large frequency of sabers that were not sharpened resulted from a lack of need because of military occupation within the cavalry unit. i.e. supply clerks, logistics officers, and others would be in the rear with the gear and have little use for the M1862 except as a uniform accoutrement. I submit that many sabres used in combat were used by very specialized attachments to the cavalry like guerrillas or commandos for example.
@backyardsounds
@backyardsounds 9 жыл бұрын
LordEldgrimr Now that is a very well thought out explanation - very good reply, sir! I must admit that this is something I just never applied as to why I've never come across a sharpened sword, but it makes total sense. I've had the pleasure of meeting J.E.B Stuart IV about 8 years ago or so. He is of the same direct line as the famous CSA General. I recall him mentioning he had his ancestor's very sword, and if I remember right, had it on display with his Battle Flag as well. I do not know if it was sharpened or not, but I can find out! I think I have his E-mail here somewhere, but I'm not even sure if he's still living; I guess he's in his mid 70s or so. But I will find out about the sword and where it might be.
@LordEldgrimr
@LordEldgrimr 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words, but had you not brought it to my attention I would have never thought about such a phenomenon. That being said, our intellectual contributions have led to discovery and you deserve as much credit. I have some family from northern Louisiana with the surname Stuart perhaps we are distant relations. Keep me posted on what you discover about Gen. Stuart's sword because I would be very interested to know more.
@BismuthDwarf
@BismuthDwarf 8 жыл бұрын
Could it be the rust that took off the edges ? I've also read that sabers were kept dull during peace times, probably because they were used in crowd control at the time.
@DMEII
@DMEII 7 жыл бұрын
I have seen originals that were sharp. An aquaintence I know has an original one his ancestor carried in a Confederate Cav unit and it is sharp. A contract sabre made by H. Boker, Solingen, Germany. It is the most well balanced sabre I have ever held.
@mallardtheduck406
@mallardtheduck406 9 жыл бұрын
That is a great saber, you deserve it man!!!
@treantdeu2162
@treantdeu2162 9 жыл бұрын
since i own my own wall hanger and champagne opener i was very excited to see what a sword quality cavalry saber could do. it did not disappoint. that was badass.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks and Eld did very well with it :D
@ovidiovillanueva5846
@ovidiovillanueva5846 9 жыл бұрын
This video was sick thrand great job ..incredible cutting eldgrim I especially liked that brutal uppercut.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Ovidio Villanueva Thanks
@KowboyUSA
@KowboyUSA 9 жыл бұрын
As a part time idiot, and full time old westerner, I been waiting for this one. Nice work, troops. Now mount up, we heading out.
@andrewplck
@andrewplck 9 жыл бұрын
Lovely. Sabers are absolutely awesome. I like use of sabre in civil war, especially the fact that it clashed woth such weapons as machetes, tomahawks, reverse griped pistols etc. and you can see it reflect in the way they are made. Good job, Eldgrim! Good job Medieval Shoppe! Go Texas ;)
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
RubberKidney - JA!!!!
@LacunaTurneri
@LacunaTurneri 9 жыл бұрын
Haha, eldgrim, love the look.
@brianfuller7691
@brianfuller7691 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video
@jamesm1
@jamesm1 4 жыл бұрын
Hell of a sword, got it for $120 recently. It and the 1840 (along with a bunch of other western sabers) were heavily inspired by the French ones developed from the Napoleonic wars through the 1820s.
@walterpalmer2749
@walterpalmer2749 6 жыл бұрын
Impressive demonstration.
@JimGiant
@JimGiant 9 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this video. Amazing cutting power. Only drawback of a saber over a straight blade is given the same amount of metal and blade thickness the saber will have slightly shorter reach.
@samwell707
@samwell707 Жыл бұрын
Nicely done
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 11 ай бұрын
Thanks
@midwestmage7173
@midwestmage7173 9 жыл бұрын
Dam fine work for being on a budget. I like the design, also really liked the bandit sneak up on the drauger lol.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Midwest Mage HeHe Eld was a Bushwhacker :D
@LordEldgrimr
@LordEldgrimr 9 жыл бұрын
ThegnThrand Bushwhacker being a Union Army slang for a Confederate Army Commando attached to a light cavalry unit.
@midwestmage7173
@midwestmage7173 9 жыл бұрын
LordEldgrimr thanks, knew I had heard that some where before. I should really read more on the civil war, so should everyone. By the way, really good cuts, I swear there is some thing different I notice when you take swings, can't put my finger on it. Maybe its the follow through? Anyway good stuff.
@DMEII
@DMEII 7 жыл бұрын
Kinda like light cavalry scouts and raiders.
@urbanasupernova562
@urbanasupernova562 8 жыл бұрын
In actuality, relatively few Southerners used these during the Civil War. It was frowned upon to have a sword in the South, whereas the Union encouraged their display and usage. Just an FYI.
@Captain-Electro
@Captain-Electro 9 жыл бұрын
See this hits close to home for me. As a po-boy I have budget weapons. I carry a .38 special S&W j frame but with only five shots I keep blades around the house. It's not just a hobby for me, I have a cold steel cutlass machete and a schrade large kukri out in the open for back up. I have a few other guns that are nicer but the Glock 17 or AK 47 stays in the gun safe. The 6 inch barrel .357 stays in the safe because I work a lot and I'm always in and out the house. But a cheap cutlass... I don't care if it gets stolen as much as a 500$ plus gun. That cutlass can take a hand off! I keep my blades sharp enough to pop hairs! High carbon steel is easy to maintain and keep sharp if you take the time to hone it properly. This is a backup for me when my primary weapon the 38 is sort of a back up gun its self. Very cool video, thanks fellas!
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Electro You are most Welcome :D
@mariocassina90
@mariocassina90 7 жыл бұрын
where the fuck are you living? Afghanistan?
@DMEII
@DMEII 7 жыл бұрын
I keep my 1840 Heavy Cavalry Sabre and my 1860 Light Cav Sabres and Museum Replica's scimitar nest to my bed head, alont with a Heron Mark sword. I hae several others, Viking swords, et that I keep across the room in a spot.
@thelonerider5644
@thelonerider5644 6 жыл бұрын
Just ordered a blunt training sabre... but now thanks to you guys I have to start looking for a sharp one...dammit. Boats or mistresses would be a cheaper hobby. Don't get into swords, dudes....
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 6 жыл бұрын
LOL
@deodatoishida4841
@deodatoishida4841 9 жыл бұрын
Sabers are very good swords, i am still learning how to use them, but i can tell that they require more strength than it seems (especially in the forearms). Awesome video!
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
concerning the newspaper role that tore a little bit at the end... As someone once said to me years ago it doesn't matter if you cut someone's arm off cleanly or not if it's cut off it's cut off. now don't get me wrong this doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to practice for perfect cuts because the better your technique is in practice the more like you are to get a good cut in actual combat but if someone's arm comes off with a clean perfectly smooth slice through the bone and all or if it cuts part away through and just smashes and shatters the bone and the arm still comes off well the arms off either way.
@LWolf12
@LWolf12 9 жыл бұрын
*Blinks* Not sure if I'm tired or what, but I thought this title was 1960 Chevy Caviler Saber for some reason. Pretty nice blade though, always enjoyed the style of the cavalry saber. That one is remarkable in how well it cuts. I haven't been keeping up to much with the videos so I believe this is the first time I seen Eldgrim do a blade test. He's got pretty good blade control. Little typo in the description, Marquez name has a capitalized A in it.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
L. Wolf LOL
@LWolf12
@LWolf12 9 жыл бұрын
ThegnThrand Yea, I'm not sure why I thought it was a saber based off a car that probably isn't real.
@gerbilsmith
@gerbilsmith 8 жыл бұрын
some of the slow mo shows how good a blade it is with the flex it gives.
@loyalsausages
@loyalsausages 8 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see the Jell-o head hacking in a bit more detail!
@MaverickCulp
@MaverickCulp 9 жыл бұрын
Oh god Eldgrim, you are a Badass!
@Alagachak
@Alagachak 9 жыл бұрын
Great show! Saber cutcutcut ^^
@gt4lex
@gt4lex 9 жыл бұрын
Very nice blade, I really like those kind of sabers. It looks quite nimble, maybe you could do a speed challenge, trying to take off an amount of targets as fast as you can :)
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
GT-Alex Would be a good video ides to do soon :D
@9unslin9er
@9unslin9er 7 жыл бұрын
Quite possibly the finest sword ever made.
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145
@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 3 жыл бұрын
You know usually in sword circles you get people saying katana or longsword or some others... However it's not often you hear someone claim a model of saber. That being said sabers of this time were certainly are well designed, made of good materials, battle tested around the world... So yes I would say they rank among the finest swords ever made!
@westexasreble9149
@westexasreble9149 4 жыл бұрын
I need one !!
@heimdul2981
@heimdul2981 8 жыл бұрын
Hello Eldgrim, nice video! Does the saber have any distal tapering, and also does it feel like you could fence or make quick responsive feints n cuts with this sword, or is it more of a chopper? Thanks!
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 8 жыл бұрын
+Heimdul It does not have much of a distal taper not a hundred percent on the handling but can ask Eldgrim for you. It feels quite responsive to me not too heavy.
@heimdul2981
@heimdul2981 8 жыл бұрын
+ThegnThrand Thanks for the reply! I guess what I want to know, is, if you were fighting a sword duel, would you be comfortable with this sword? Cheers
@althesmith
@althesmith 7 жыл бұрын
What's the thickness like compared to the originals? I understand repros tend to start too thin at the guard and don't taper enough towards the tip.
@redlinebo
@redlinebo 9 жыл бұрын
very nice
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
randall bo mcnees Thanks
@gerbilsmith
@gerbilsmith 8 жыл бұрын
3.5" and in the middle of the blade it seems...very impressive!
@tangsoodoarnis4life
@tangsoodoarnis4life 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome job, was the Saber sharp the entire length of the blade or was it sharp only a partial length starting at the tip? I ask this because I have herd that Sabers were only sharp a small length and not the full length because of their use on horse back.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
***** This blade is sharp the entire length and the short ,back or false edge is some what sharp as well and could be made sharper.
@mercifulone7065
@mercifulone7065 5 жыл бұрын
Really cool! Will the metal scabbard dull the edge?
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 5 жыл бұрын
It can but is a problem.with these swords even historically.
@mercifulone7065
@mercifulone7065 5 жыл бұрын
@@Thrand11 thank you!
@Thebonesoftrees
@Thebonesoftrees 5 жыл бұрын
Theng your are the best👌🏻
@EhAmes94
@EhAmes94 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Eld returns :P
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Rollo Red JA!!!
@GerackSerack
@GerackSerack 9 жыл бұрын
Rollo Red Yeah, it's nice to see him also in screen
@davidm8135
@davidm8135 7 жыл бұрын
Hey guys I really like the videos. I just thought I'd give a couple suggestions. 1. Try cutting with the top third of the blade rather than the middle third as the tip is the fastest moving part of the blade. This might help your cuts be even more successful. 2. Try using a handshake grip or a thumb grip when using sabers these put less stress on your wrist tendons than the hammer grip does, also they add about another inch or two of reach. Btw are either of you guys Christians?
@undyingknowledge7818
@undyingknowledge7818 Жыл бұрын
I know you put the weight in the description, but i am still having trouble picturing how heavy it feels. I'm really conflicted about buying either an infantry saber or cavalry saber, i know cavalry sabers have a heavier cutting power which i definitley like, but im afraid they are too heavy. Is that the case or no?
@JorgeL721
@JorgeL721 6 жыл бұрын
I love my saber!
@gerbilsmith
@gerbilsmith 8 жыл бұрын
not many on the market but if you have Southern heritage get and test a Confederate D-guard Bowie...Windlass makes a decent version, not sure of who else does. they can vary in size a great bit but I'm asking for tests on is a bigger one like 17" at least. the Windlass is 17" or so . it is basically a short saber....I think it should be done!
@sloanchampion85
@sloanchampion85 5 жыл бұрын
Johnny Reb was and is a fearless warrior
@bensplittstoesser3177
@bensplittstoesser3177 7 жыл бұрын
might be getting a sword from medieval shoppe. not my first but my first from medieval shoppe.
@druisteen
@druisteen 6 жыл бұрын
It's a copy of the french 1822 sword , still in use today
@gerbilsmith
@gerbilsmith 8 жыл бұрын
also if you don't have a saber scabbard hung on a belt, ie if just carrying it, they are steel and make on hell of an impact weapon and shield!
@adonis44m
@adonis44m 9 жыл бұрын
did the saber come sharpened and was there any damage to the blade after your tests, thanks guys.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Aboyke It was sharp but Sheath or metal scabbard did bugger it up a bit during shipping we just touched it up bit before use. After testing it was fine no edge damage :D
@adonis44m
@adonis44m 9 жыл бұрын
ThegnThrand thanks guys, looks like I'm getting one.
@celtictemplar
@celtictemplar 9 жыл бұрын
I know of what the cavalry saber can do, but can u show of the damage of a Scottish basket hilt broadsword.
@100dfrost
@100dfrost 9 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, great video. By the way, Custer didn't use a saber. He used what sounded like a heavy backsword he captured from a Confederate cavalryman. Enjoyed the video. Thank-you, Dante.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
100dfrost You are most welcome. The sword was in use during Custer time though.
@100dfrost
@100dfrost 9 жыл бұрын
ThegnThrand Guys, that sword of Custer's, turns out it was an "outsized" broadsword. He did own at least 1 saber, it was recently auctioned off for 15k +. One sight said that he owned over 30 swords. Thanks, Dante.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
100dfrost A swordsman Indeed! No swordsman would be caught dead not owning at least 30 swords LOL
@Zapnes
@Zapnes 8 жыл бұрын
Anyhow Custard as mentioned in the video exclusively used sabers..I think...
@100dfrost
@100dfrost 8 жыл бұрын
Zapnes Zap, during the Civil War Custer used what is spoken of in contemporary accounts as a large broadsword captured from a Confederate officer. Or so I've read. Dante.
@adonis44m
@adonis44m 9 жыл бұрын
does the saber have a Peened Pommel or threaded.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Aboyke Peened
@Second247
@Second247 9 жыл бұрын
Id love to see more specs of your swords. Point of balance, (estimated) point of percussion, possibly even flexibility. I think atleast those would help a lot to estimate your tests and why something is good or bad at something. Right now i get feeling that i can't quite say what i'm witnessing and why i am witnessing it. Great channel thou and i love how you run these tests and let results speak for themselves. But still bit more theoretical look wouldn't hurt in my opinion.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Second247 www.medievalshoppe.com.au/1860-heavy-cavalry-saber-us-civil-war/ Weight: 1.1 kg (1.712 kg in scabbard).Overall Length: 99.7 cm (excluding curvature).Blade Length: 85 cm (excluding curvature).Blade Width: 2.9 cm at base, then tapering.Grip Length: 10.6 cm.Guard Width: 10.4 cm.Point of Balance: 21.5 cm from guard.Center of Percussion: Intermediate.
@Second247
@Second247 9 жыл бұрын
Yeah there's always that option to check it from some other place. It would be just easier to see it in video demonstrated because, you know, laziness :) Just a thought concerning what there might be to improve in your videos in general. It's not a big issue to be honest but it's just feeling which i have with videos your making.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Second247 We shall try to include more detail in future videos about the arms and very good request and suggestion.
@StrangeRealityVlog
@StrangeRealityVlog 4 жыл бұрын
so my great great great grandfather was Mose "Buck" Walker and he was in the COMPANY D 12TH TENNESSEE CAVALRY 1864 ... "Company D, twelfth Tennessee Cabalry, Gen Forrest, Commanding; enlisted in latter part of the summer or early fall of 1864. Capt McCallie ( name maybe John) was captain of the company; Joel Appleberry was lieutenant in company & commanded company upon Capt. McCallie's absence, who was disabled by rupture most of the time I served. " Confederate Soldier of Civil War Company "D", twelfth Tennessee Cavalry, Gen N. B. Forrest, Commander 12th Tennessee Cavalry Commander: General Nathan Bedford Forrest. I AM HERE WATCHING THIS VIDEO BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW WHAT A SABRE CUT IS ". I saw Gen. Forrest just after this battle -- his command had stopped and was having some horseshoeing done; I saw him show his pistol which had a sabre cut on it at this time, and heard him say a yankee had tried to sabre him and he knocked the lick off with his pistol. Shortly after this we surrendered. "
@StrangeRealityVlog
@StrangeRealityVlog 4 жыл бұрын
what does "knocked the lick off with his pistol" mean ?
@powerplay4real174
@powerplay4real174 2 жыл бұрын
No Wall Hanger is as good as a functional Wall Hanger and that's very functional 🥷
@ClausewitzMTH
@ClausewitzMTH 9 жыл бұрын
Eldgrim is excited as ever :) I have a very similiar sword but the blade of mine is little bit different. Mine is this: schwertshop.de/schwerter/militaer/union-kavallerie-kampf-saebel-scharf-model-1860.html
@brokenursa9986
@brokenursa9986 9 жыл бұрын
Forget the meat cleaver. You can just use that sabre for all your butchering needs.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Ryan Cauffman LOL Very true :D
@BigBoss-cm6tq
@BigBoss-cm6tq 4 жыл бұрын
So in general is medieval Shoppe good for swords cause I'm thinking about their confederate staff officers sabre off them
@KowboyUSA
@KowboyUSA 9 жыл бұрын
Have access to a horse? Be awesome to see how the saber performs from horseback.
@LordEldgrimr
@LordEldgrimr 9 жыл бұрын
John Ratko I wish we had a horse. Alas, if wishes were excrement the sewers would be Heaven.
@KowboyUSA
@KowboyUSA 9 жыл бұрын
LordEldgrimr Had horses for years, but they're like having children; can't take a break from the responsibilities just 'cause you feel like having a break. Got an iron horse now. I can put it in the shed and just forget about for a few months if that's what suits me. All I'm lacking is a good cav saber hanging on her side. At a buck and a half it looks like the Shoppe one is affordable. Would like to see you give it some torture testing.
@LordEldgrimr
@LordEldgrimr 9 жыл бұрын
I would like to have a motorcycle in the near future. I bet a sabre would work quite well from the back of a chopper.
@KowboyUSA
@KowboyUSA 9 жыл бұрын
LordEldgrimr I'm thinking it will work well enough to keep cage drivers thinking twice about being jerks when they see it hanging on the side of mine. The man with the longest knife gets the mostest courtesy.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
***** I know would be awesome!
@Runningtail
@Runningtail 9 жыл бұрын
Lookin slick, there eldgrimir \m/
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Runningtail JA! He did!
@bushcraft_in_the_north
@bushcraft_in_the_north 7 жыл бұрын
hava an original one somewhere
@shlamimk4664
@shlamimk4664 7 жыл бұрын
Over swing and telegraphing to the extreme. The way he thrust his head forward after the swing I think also makes him a very easy person to kill indeed. I hope his technique has improved since making this video, because he really doesn't seem to be in control of that weapon.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed! LOL
@Master...deBater
@Master...deBater 5 жыл бұрын
@@Thrand11: How much did they charge in shipping to the US?
@DMEII
@DMEII 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know why Cold Steel keeps calling it an 1860 Heagy cav saber. It is not an 1860. It is more a copy of the US 1840 Heavy CavSabre. It is bad ass. I have an 1840 Heavy Cav Sabre from TherionArms. it is an awsome cutter and crusher. The 1860 was acutally in history called the US 1860 Lighy Cav Sabre. I hit a wooden slat grocery basket with one. It was made of wooden slats wired to gether. My 1860 did some damage but whern I sho'nuff slammede into it with that 1840 Heavy Cav Sabre it near annihilated that basket, breaking several wooden slats. The 1840 Heavy cav sabre was what Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest preferred and is what he carried thorugh out the war if I am nto mistaken. Speaking of being Southern brother, my great granedfather was a cavalryman in Co. A, 5th Ky Cavalry and was a part of Gen. John Hungt Morgan's command. I am proud of that fact. I wonder what type Sabre he carried?
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 7 жыл бұрын
David Edelen It is from Medieval Shoppe Australia.
@Nitsua_Atayha
@Nitsua_Atayha 2 жыл бұрын
It will keel
@MadNumForce
@MadNumForce 9 жыл бұрын
Elgrim, you seem to be putting all your muscle strenght in these cuts, and to cut with the center of the blade. On video, it looks a bit odd. Is it your first saber? I have the chance to own an antique french 1822 pattern trooper light cavalry saber, which the U.S. 1860 is copied upon. I've always found modern repros to be crappy, and the handle to be exceptionnally butchered. The 1822 is an elegant saber, with a sligthly curved grip, and a recess near the pommel cap. Also, the wire is supposed to go from the pommel cap to the guard, not just 2 or 3 inches. I notice that on the repro, the pommel cap goes all the way to the guard... the original has a short tail cap. The centered spear point also seems quite wierd. I know on the 1822 the point in line with the back, and It seems to be the same on the original 1860. I have no doubt the original handle is more comfortable than this straight design. In fact, the 1860 is almost a perfect copy of the 1822, even on the special blade type, called "à la Montmorency", which features an hollow grind, and a short fuller near the spine in the middle of the length of the blade (this kind of blade appeared during the French Revolution, and never really fell out of fashion, as the 1822 is still worn today by the Garde Républicaine for ceremonial purpose). In France, when it got introduced, this was a light cavalry saber. A heavy cavalry version existed, with a 95cm blade, and a four bar guard (instead of the three of the light cav.). But by the time "heavy cavalry" was not an understatement, and this saber is a real beast. The light cavalry saber is still manageable, though really not ideal when you compare to purpose-designed infantry sabers. I have not tested mine (which come for the Garde Républicain, precisely), but that would mean sharpening it, and I'm not found of that idea, the blade being almost as good as new, while made in 1876. Mine has only one suspension ring on the scabbard. I believe this was a change made during the 1880's or so. The two rings are definately more practical though. The saber itself feels surprisingly light from the tip, and that's clearly not what you expect from a saber this big. You feel the whole mass of the saber is in the middle of the blade. I got mine with the canvas and leather field cover and original white buffalo knot/lanyard for 280€, so a bit over twice the price of that indian reproduction. But it was a real bargain. I bought most my antique sabers less than 120€. Living on the Old Continent has some perks to it :D
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
MadNumForce This is Thrand! If you are speaking of the cut on the 3 1/2" rolled wet newspaper he pretty much had too. I tried cutting it with traditional saber technique as you are speaking of and it stopped half way on that thick roll so when he went for it he adjusted his style a wee bit and said he could do it and some how he did. The Saber is basket heavy and about 2lbs so he did a draw cut up close with it so provide the momentum with muscle power so to speak to make it through the thicker roll. Have you ever cut rolled wet news paper or tatami with a one handed saber?
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
MadNumForce If you notice he did not do that on all cuts the ribs were with the tip proper.
@MadNumForce
@MadNumForce 9 жыл бұрын
Yes, I did notice the ribs cut were clean. That "research" of right distance lead me to think that's his first saber. A curved blade, I found, is a bit confusing when you're used to straight blades.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
MadNumForce He has used sabers before but thanks to our channel he has gotten use to mostly straight blades with more heft. The cut he made on thick roll of wet newspaper I really do not think with that specific saber it could be done any other way. Trust me I tried a bit before we shot the video and after :D
@zhouyu6557
@zhouyu6557 9 жыл бұрын
ThegnThrand Great vid, guys! I was wondering what your thoughts were on the other aspects of this sword besides just it's cutting capacity? How's the balance? Does it come sharp out of the box? Is there anything about it you don't necessarily like? I'm beginning to learn historical sabre and figure that sooner or later I'll be putting money on a proper blade so just wondering...
@adsfacvadtrvawefdghjdsfpoi5704
@adsfacvadtrvawefdghjdsfpoi5704 9 жыл бұрын
You guys, Lloyd from Lindybeige has been bad talking the vikings. Please either confirm or deny what he said in a video. PS: if you mention me in the video if you make it don't worry about the first bit, its a long story. Just call me the Space Viking.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
adsfacvadtrvawefdgh jdsfpoiajsdpo What video are you speaking of?
@adsfacvadtrvawefdghjdsfpoi5704
@adsfacvadtrvawefdghjdsfpoi5704 9 жыл бұрын
ThegnThrand The one he did on Berserkers.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
adsfacvadtrvawefdgh jdsfpoiajsdpo I will check it out!
@ElDrHouse2010
@ElDrHouse2010 9 жыл бұрын
adsfacvadtrvawefdgh jdsfpoiajsdpo Worry not. Varg already made a more accurate video. Lloyd isn't wrong but he wasn't 100% accurate, he was a lil bit off.. Really not a big deal. Internet is not serious business, take it easy. But yeah Thrand make a vid response if you wish, Lloyd is very mature and will learn from it and enjoy it.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
ElDrHouse2010 Do you have a link to Varg's video?
@omari2306
@omari2306 2 жыл бұрын
4:48 if you didn't stop the winding of your cut, you would have gone all through the dummie's skull
@jakeg5251
@jakeg5251 9 жыл бұрын
It sure beats a steak knife :)
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Jake Gurfinkel Ja!
@lenoosterbos290
@lenoosterbos290 9 жыл бұрын
Some extreme overswinging, nice vid though
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
Len Oosterbos Most of the targets are very tough its hard to judge the exact amount force with underestimating Eld did well.
@420quips
@420quips Жыл бұрын
666 likes, nice 👌
@boone674
@boone674 6 жыл бұрын
Infantryman used it? Really.....
@Alacard0malley
@Alacard0malley 4 жыл бұрын
The Japanese have never made a saber. As surely as the Americans have never made a kilij. Just because these swords are curved doesn't mean that they are the same.
@tallswede80
@tallswede80 9 жыл бұрын
the cold steel is superior
@tallswede80
@tallswede80 9 жыл бұрын
S. David Lalonde I haven't held both. But what you said sums it up, i.e., all of cold steel products tend to be the strongest and largest on the market. This goes for their kukris, swords, and folders.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
tallswede80 The down fall is many who seek elegant nimble weapons do not like Cold steel for that reason they tend to over do the weight and amount of steel used. Do they work yes are they durable yes. They do not all ways represent the true historical weapons becasue they tend to over do them a bit with weight and heft. The balance can be way off is the primary problem and the blades will move much slower than historical versions. Do not get me wrong I like heavy weapons but this is why Skallagrim does not like Cold steel historical version weapons becasue they look like them but feel nothing like in handling and speed of recovery.
@tallswede80
@tallswede80 9 жыл бұрын
ThegnThrand who the fuck is skallagrim? Historical weapons are made for historical people, that is, short, malnourished, and weak. Lately, people get better food because of modern technology. This isn't the 18th century, when food had to be carried on horseback.
@Thrand11
@Thrand11 9 жыл бұрын
tallswede80 LOL
@tallswede80
@tallswede80 9 жыл бұрын
ThegnThrand People are taller and heavier, on average, than they used to be, and materials are much better than they used to be. This is a fact. There is no reason to cling to "true historical weapons", any more than there is reason to cling to historical technology.
@allopez8563
@allopez8563 5 жыл бұрын
I think your sword needs sharpening
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