1864: Queen Victoria discuss the Danish-Prussia conflict with Lord Palmerston

[@presidentlouis-napoleonbon8889]

Just how the British nobles speak are just so elegantly tried. "Stupid?" "Ill-thought."

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

So polite.

[@SStupendous]

@@AbrahamLincoln4 Did you actually write Major Marquis Warren that letter Old Abe?

[@lazyidiotofthemonth]

Pretty Sure Victoria spoke with a pronounced German Accent.

[@althesmith]

I would highly doubt it. She was fluent in German but grew up speaking only English at home.@@lazyidiotofthemonth

[@lazyidiotofthemonth]

@@althesmith Not really, the Royal family, remained ethnically German until WWI. They spoke German at home during Victoria's reign.

[@VolumedMusicMan]

Queen Victoria‘s daughter was married to the son of the Kaiser in Germany, while her daughter-in-law was from Denmark. She did not want to rock anyone’s boat.

[@marschallblucher6197]

Germany or Prussia? This is 1864 so Germany still hasn't formed yet.

[@milaandersson6808]

@@marschallblucher6197 Prussia, she even gave birth to the successor if im not mistaken

[@dantobarbarian4842]

Inbred royals caused WW1!

[@musculusiv4172]

@@milaandersson6808 I think she was the mother of Willhelm II no?

[@DMDSFrazzles]

@@musculusiv4172 Grandmother of Wilhelm II.

[@rwc19390]

Fun Fact: Palmerston in "1864"was played by James Fox, while a younger version of Palmerston in "Victoria" (2019) was played by his son Laurence Fox.

[@avkezramos1160]

Nice😃

[@danielefatima9445]

Wow so nice! Good know. Thanks

[@JakobSeidl]

Palmerston would have 80 years old here tho. Great actor but a bit too young

[@SStupendous]

@@JakobSeidl I forgot that guy was Biden's age in the 1860s, the guy looked really young for his age today

[@decannerlin5950]

wow

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

"I'm missing my afternoon tea" I love the British.

[@cobbvd]

The most treacherous nation of Europe...

[@themac2238]

cobbvd I would say Italy is the most actually

[@nulnoh219]

Lord "Don't talk to me before my Coffee (Tea)" Pamerston.

[@cobbvd]

@@theholmes8308 I am Lithuanian. And I am interested in history.

[@blackkray1168]

@@cobbvd oh do fuck off back to what ever bogtrodden shit hole you call a country and take your anti british sentiment with you

[@Siptom369]

It was a needless conflict that was started by denmark

[@WatcherMovie008]

Denmark: We promise not to harass, violate, or remove the traditions of Danish Germans living in Schleswig. Also Denmark: *proceeds ot harass, violate, and remove the traditions of Danish Germans living in Schleswig* Bismarck: Hippity hoppity, your Schleswig is now my Schleswig.

[@derherrgraf6001]

Actually this war was a important step for the unification of the german empire.

[@SStupendous]

@@derherrgraf6001 Yes that's true, but who said it was not? It's not as significant as many other conflicts in the Wars of Unification mind you.

[@realdragao6367]

Luckily germany lost ww1 and denmark got it’s land back from the stupid bastard krauts

[@bear5730]

"Palmerston...you're being witty! :]" love it lmao

[@RealD8]

It's crazy how much history is because of this woman... Literally to this day...

[@TheCurlsCrazy]

and how much hemophilia

[@Bulacanos]

What an... ill-thought out statement

[@jekabsojarsulskis9740]

@@TheCurlsCrazy mama mia, that's a lot of blood! In all seriousness, it sucked to be queen Victoria's descendants because of hemophilia. I believe several people from her family died from it.

[@Lesboi]

@@jekabsojarsulskis9740 Yeah her grandson (Son of Russian Tsar) had the disease you mentioned so too weak to survive on his own coz wounds would not heal lol so was not able to escape in the Revolution

[@iain.sm.c]

She was the grandmother of Europe. By the time of her death many of the European aristocracy were related to her. It's what added a level of absurdity to WW1, as George V, Wilhelm II were cousins.

[@briantime3762]

Pitt the elder!

[@dominiquemonteiro754]

Lord PALMERSTON!

[@nicholasrogers7276]

Pitt the elder

[@EJAXK13]

Oh that’s it! 👊😡

[@SchizoidMan1989]

@@EJAXK13 Yeah, that showed him, Barney! *scoffs* Pitt the Elder.

[@karllykos]

LORD PALMERSTON! 👊

[@yeettheheat]

"There are only 3 People..." Otto von Bismarck: "Entschuldigung was zum Fick?"

[@jamesbay115]

Real quote from Palmerston too 😂 he was probably wrong but god I love that quote, gets the point across too

[@markschoning5581]

Sorry but this pun is not working in German. Nobody would say „Was zum Fick“ (what the Fuck) in German. We only use the word Fuck ( der Fick) in a sexual meaning, and not as a normal smear word!

[@MrGreenTabasco]

@@markschoning5581 Mark, I'm afraid the constant development of the german language has gotten the better of you. "Was zum fick" is not only a used phrase, it also is already used in Art. Take for example "WZF" from Das Lumpenpack. Also, in the end it is just a different version from "Was zum Teufel" and "Was zum Geier."

[@markschoning5581]

@@MrGreenTabasco Ich kenne Niemanden der den Ausdruck „was zum Fick“ gebraucht. Aber ich lebe ja auch nur seit meiner Geburt vor 43 Jahren in Deutschland. Ich habe also weder von der Deutschen Sprache noch den Zuständen in Deutschland irgendwelche tieferen Kenntnisse.

[@markschoning5581]

@@MrGreenTabasco Übrigens, „Das Lumpenpack“ musste ich erst mal Googeln. Von denen hatte ich bisher noch nie etwas gehört. Ich glaube zu recht. Welche Ausdrücke von irgendwelchen infantilen Mitgliedern einer unbedeutenden deutschen Rockband benutzt werden, geht mir am Allerwertesten vorbei.

[@taotaozhang4568]

I bet Wade Boggs would say Pitt the Elder would’ve done a better job

[@bluedragontoybash2463]

Barney : Lord Palmerston !!

[@adamcheklat7387]

1:32: Stupid, Ill-thought out, same thing.

[@ironcladstudios971]

They are the same thing, but knowing them Victorian Brits, they'd want to make it sound as *polite* as possible, even for something as stupid as what the Danes were thinking.

[@elizabethmiller7918]

This Danish movie is pretty + good honest What people dont realize the Danish Army was actually slightly bigger than Prussia's at the time and on top of this Denmark had a real Navy, which Prussia mostly lacked. At the time Denmark was considered one of the preeminent military powers of Northern Europe. And they (thought) they had England as an ally and so that it would all be a cakewalk. So they recklessly provoked a war with Pussia by breaking the Schleswig treaty ( which stipulated they could not abuse the german population of that province and forced them to not speak german etc) and sent provocative missives to the Prussia King. But the Prussians had made quite a few improvements to the firepower of thier Army and the effectiveness of theirs leadership, so they were quite confident and did not mind a Danish attack at all since they ere eager to use their expensive military to improve their standing in Europe and among the german states. Also, as the Prussians expected, England abandoned the Danes, since they were the ones who broke the treaty and on top of that the Austrians sent generous help to the Prussians. The Danish movie is quite honest about all these things. Ultimately the war was decided by Prussian artillery which was quite superior and so more than made up that Denmark's military was slightly larger. Prussian and Austrian "Special Forces" (for the time) the Deaths head Hussars also contributed out of proportion to their numbers. On top of that the Prussians had the better generalship and staffs and so in the end it was a crushing defeat for the Danes. Denmark would never again be considered a powerful country in Europe.

[@noobster4779]

Except you forgot one minor, VERY IMPORTANT POINT: Denmark wasnt at war with Prussia, Denmark was at war with the entire german confederation. That included basically all former HRE states still around and both Prussia and Austria. There was no realistic way Denmark could ever win that war in any scenario. Prussia was the one doing the main fighting, but they were basically only the first wave do to beeing the closest one. Austria could never allow Denmark to annex slesvig-holstein because ti would absolutely destroy their prestige in the german confederationa s leader and protector of all germans. And the danish naval advantage was literally meaningless. The german confederation states didnt have big navies for the last 1000 years and had no problem without them do to their trade beeing reliant on land routes. Also the territory in question and half of Denmark were perfectly accesible by land to any german confederation army with nothing the danish anvy could do. The germans could occupy all of Jutland with the danish fleet watching pointlessly. Dont overplay the danish strengths. They would have already lost the first slesvig war if it wasnt for the minor fact the german confederation was literally dealing with a major revolution in the middle of it (And Asutria literally nearly falling apart with the Hungarian revolt). Danish hebris after their first victory cost them dearly now when the german confederationw as actually able to focus on them and Denmark got crushed. Even if Britain helped Denmark the land power advantage would still easily be in favour of the german confederation and a victory would be the forgon conclusion. Britain didnt have a land army strong enough to oppose both Prussia and Austria on land in europe for a long time (and it would be literally go against the policy of non intervention of the status quo in europe if it isnt questioned) The only saving for Denmark would be an intervention by Russia or France on their side do to both having significant land armies to actually fight this war. But both were busy with other things and Denmark was the aggressor. And I propably dont have to point out what a huge oral boost to any german force it would have been if France joined the war, Napoleon was still a very fresh memory for a lot of people and France joining an aggressor against a german state would be propaganda suicide. Even the pro France states like Bavaria would have joined Prussia in that scenario.

[@elizabethmiller7918]

@@noobster4779 Your not wrong. Nonetheless the bulk of the fighting in this war was done by Prussian troops and most call it the Danish -Prussian war not the Danish-german war. But all your points are 100% correct however i was not going to go to that level on granularity in my post. I would have lost of a lot of folks with that.

[@therealmrfishpaste]

And the Danes had won the first Schleswig war only a decade earlier...they thought they could repeat it.

[@zelemas3062]

In 1860 Prussias Army had roughly 160.000 man, excluding the small prussian navy. There was no time after the napoleonic wars where Denmark had more soldiers than Prussia. In peace-times Denmark had a land-army with 7.500 troops (excluding navy). In this war Denmark had 36.000 soldiers (excluding navy) fighting & 18.000 replacement and garrison-troops. Prussia (and Austria, not to forget them) sent 61.000 soldiers and additional 20.000 soldiers later (25% austrian troops). So please tell us where you got the knowledge of more than 160.000 danish soldiers in this time (so that the danish army could have been "slightly bigger" as you wrote...)...

[@joemammon6149]

war is like trial by combat where fighting cuts through the Gordian Knot of complicated legal matters. and the side with the most firepower wins.

[@jedder]

I wonder how much time they spent writing those palm leaves into that scene.

[@kemodoemenem2587]

The palm leaves were a great addition.

[@MyLateralThawts]

The Danish were counting on British support? How soon they forgot about the Battle of Copenhagen.

[@ioannisAss]

I can see this conversation happening today over Ukraine

[@alissonlares2926]

Incredible how the queen was already alive and in the throne at this time too. Amazing.

[@votesus9819]

???

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

She was queen until 1901.

[@alissonlares2926]

@@TheMrPeteChannel no. She died last year.

[@rcgunner7086]

@@TheMrPeteChannel Alisson is making fun about how old Queen Elizabeth II was.

[@KForrest-gd1nj]

​@@votesus9819 ???

[@Investing_WithDrake_Culver]

James Fox playing as Lord Palmerston looks similar to John Gielgud when he played in The Charge of the Light Brigade

[@LoudaroundLincoln]

I can see what you mean.

[@thesmithersy]

LOOOORRRRDDDD PALMERSTON!

[@roamer1389]

PITT THE ELDER!!

[@dannythomas417]

That’s Mr. Salt.

[@nee7617]

😶😶

[@dannythomas417]

@Dtje The one from the 2005 Chocolate Factory. Actor’s name is James Fox.

[@ToxicKingMad]

Would’ve never happened under Pitt Thee Elder

[@ACk-vu6ik]

Film Name?

[@pelace]

“The Russians send cannons and we send our sympathies”

[@mramir8892]

I think its prussian .-. Not russian

[@thanhhoangnguyen4754]

@@mramir8892 it is Prussian. It was because of the Danes broke the treaty that Bismarck send the Danes canon

[@lavozdelsur168]

it's very interesting to me to know our enemy; the brits had a strong foot on Germany before its unification, and they tried to pursue their interests until the end. Very clever and always through someone else, like they do even today. Their ways of geopolitics haven't changed in centuries.

[@icedsushi7957]

What's the name of the movie?

[@SStupendous]

1864.

[@Aristocles22]

Lord Palmerston! Yeah, "Pitt the Elder".

[@johnpoole3871]

Pitt the Elder would have stopped Bismarck.

[@hi23nutzer21]

Stopped Bismarck in doing what?

[@RoyalMale1]

what film is this from??

[@kasperrzuelow]

Its a Danish serie and movie called: 1864

[@geoffreyhansen8543]

Interesting insight.

[@danielefatima9445]

Where I can find this movie? And how is title? Thanks!

[@lolitaescol1374]

1864

[@gainmelk]

Had they heard her Majesty's remarks there, the Danes would have lined up to have a fat sardine-infused movement on said remarks.

[@nndiaadadf5058]

Movie?

[@kasperrzuelow]

m.imdb.com/title/tt1753353/

[@aztroboy1450]

Actually it's a Mini Series

[@mariolucatoni8755]

@@aztroboy1450 1864?

[@aztroboy1450]

@@mariolucatoni8755 yup

[@Coco3Pirata]

Actually queen victoria wasnt that old😅, her age is 27 in 1864 She should look young

[@alex-ny2mf]

is this a series of a movie

[@SStupendous]

Yes, 1864.

[@elizabethmiller7918]

TV series

[@ajchavda2738]

Which movie

[@kasperrzuelow]

www.imdb.com/title/tt1753353/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_1864

[@dandy-lions5788]

perfidious Albion!

[@ChrisCrossClash]

😂😂😂😂Suck it up European 🤡, we were the number one power then and jealously is a wonderful thing.

[@gungdegalang4635]

"daddy i want that squirrel"

[@EJAXK13]

See people. England’s greatest prime minister is Lord Palmerston!

[@hiddenfan-37]

Barney approves this comment.

[@croonyerzoonyer]

Poor casting for Victoria. She was only in her 40’s here. Looks like she’s in her 60’s.

[@night6724]

Probably because old lady Victoria is more recognizable. Like how in "The Buccaneer" Andrew Jackson has gray hair even though at the time he still had reddish-brown hair. Also there aren't many pictures of her in her 40s since after Prince Albert died she became a recluse

[@Coco3Pirata]

actually she is 27yrs old or 30s because she was born in 1837 and the 2nd schleswig war happened in 1864

[@KForrest-gd1nj]

​@@Coco3Pirata it was 1819 when her majesty was born

[@wingsfan1450]

The british....germans got the worst cousins

[@ChrisCrossClash]

What that supposed to mean?

[@TheMap1997]

Sort of like Ukraine at the moment

[@oooshafiqooo]

The mother and son in-law

[@ITSHIM1294]

Pitt The Elder was better

[@hiddenfan-37]

Barney: LORD PALMERSTON!