1960 Budd Cars Farewell - 1999 Fantrip in Philadelphia

[@mattnawn5019]

Thanks so much for sharing this. I was on this trip and recognize several other passengers. I believe the date was actually 7/5/1999; it was the final event of a three day ERA meeting in Philadelphia. Hard to believe this was more than 20 years ago.

[@Thatgamingdiary]

If u have spare footage can you send me it? I’m trying to build Philly subway trains in Minecraft as like a thing do to in spare time when bored. Pls?

[@inluvwith7of9]

i remember putting those cars in and out of the shops.they had to be in the best shape ever for that last trip..work in both 69 and bridge yards 1987-2012......great memoiries will miss the yards and all my old friends greartly

[@josephheston9238]

Those cars were built well. When SEPTA sent 5 of those cars to the Norristown Line, they had to install platform extension door plates ,but ruined almost every drill bit because the sill were really solid.

[@1AEROSOL.1PUFF]

I miss these Budd cars so much, I wish we had a museum where two of the cars were kept for display.

[@judyfreed4555]

Seashore Trolley Museum & Pennsylvania Trolley Museum have one each.

[@mr.everything9120]

The Budd company was located in Philadelphia back when we used to make things here in the USA.

[@graphicdesigner5188]

I miss the old El SEPTA Subway cars. In my opinion I think they were by far the best ones. I like the newer ones now but the old ones will always have a place in my heart.

[@starchedownon84s]

i truly miss those cars. i only got to ride on them once. Damn!

[@trackwerkOG]

I swear those cars look like an R38 from a distance. Then again, the R38 looks like the R32, and the R32 was also built by budd. Those R32 cars are still in service today, so it makes me wonder if the M3s could still run today!

[@luislaplume8261]

They do? The R38 was the same style except for the humps on the roof and their ribs ended below the passenger windows. They had upper ventilation windows above the side windows. The R38s were built from 1966 til 1967. I remember them when they were New. Also they had fiberglass seats instead of cushioned seats like Philadelphia.

[@wook1990]

I loved these trains. Can you imagine if they were still running today and along with that the era of SEPTA that dominated the 90s? I think this era would still exist today if they fixed up a lot of the SEPTA vehicles.

[@josephheston9238]

Well they were better than the M-4s. Like I've said before, SEPTA should have done what PATCO did and sent the A.J.s to Alstom for a complete rebuild and modernization. I'm hoping that when SEPTA decides to order the M-5s, that they'll base the design on the B-IV Broad Street cars.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

@@josephheston9238 they were too far gone to be rebuilt and it would've cost more than a new fleet to rebuild them with limited finding.

[@nyshortline]

The Almond Joys ran a lot better than the junk they have running now. Their only disadvantage was the lack of air conditioning.

[@cats0182]

Budd built great stuff. So did ACF. So did Pullman-Standard. So did St. Louis Car. So did Pressed Steel Car. So did a lot of companies that I can't even remember. They designed the cars. They built the cars. They were American companies. Point is, they're all GONE, replaced by foreign manufacturers who offer a carrot to the US by assembling the foreign-made parts in the US. Such a shame.

[@adelgado75]

Trump is going to change that. Manufacturing jobs will come roaring back and with them the middle class. Get ready for a manufacturing renaissance.

[@kevinwong6588]

ACF remains, but freight equipment only since 1961.

[@judyfreed4555]

@@adelgado75 As int he closing of G M C plant. Tax breaks not tied, legally binding, to opening factories.

[@jorgegaston5391]

Where are those jobs at 2day?

[@GamerRobYT]

Alstom, Siemens, ADTranz, Bombardier, replaced all of these companies

[@Modeltnick]

I used to ride these as a kid. They used to go like the wind through those tunnels. Would take the El from 69th Street. Remember Nedick’s hotdogs?

[@JenWilliamson]

Soooo many memories... between the trains themselves and the scenery and platforms... Okay, I'm about to get all kinds of mushy, I'll spare everyone ;) Thank you for posting this video, though. Definitely going in my favorites file.

[@litephaze]

This is ABSOLUTELY GREAT work! NOT only is the resolution/video clarity substantially EXCEPTIONAL (taking into account the YEAR/TIME this was recorded), but the shots and panning of the neighboring streets along the journey. Brings back MANY, MANY memories! I MISS those Budds'. Thank you for allowing me to re-visit the days of some of my best childhood days with your great work! I don't know HOW the hell I didn't know about this Fan Trip!

[@WMMFNews]

Some of us dubbed the consists as Silver Caterpillars. The air leaks at lead unit created a whistle almost like the whine of a jet engine. Later on one or two cars actually had a-c installed. The fans were installed that way because the design called for a-c to be installed in conjunction with the fans and the vents. That would have left a more normal roof line. One car had its rough textured upholstery covers replaced with a smooth h-d vinyl type covering. There were other re-up jobs of varying blues and blue or orange-red piping and various padding inside. A few units had conductor-key door op for fare at late-night stops w-o fare control.

[@GG1man]

My buddies and I would sit on the curb at Princeton Avenue and the Boulevard waiting to see the brand new El cars on flatbed trailers on their way to Bridge and Pratt. I was 12 years old then. Riding the new cars, one could actually hear the person next to them! It was an experience.

[@elirosen1391]

Great video! Passing by some of those stations, I'm glad they rebuilt the elevated portions of the line.

[@agostinodibella9939]

I last rode that subway in 1986. I liked the part just where it goes underground.

[@daniel022209]

I never got a chance to ride on the Almond Joy cars. I got on the new El trains when they debuted in 1998.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

*1996. But you missed a bumpy, but fast ride.

[@daniel022209]

@@blue9multimediagroup they were a piece of Philadelphia's history since the early 1960s and I didnt get a chance to ride one because I lived near routes that connected me to the Broad Street Line as a kid. But I did get to ride those classic 8000 series Neoplans out of Frankford though. Fun times.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

@@daniel022209 indeed. I just barely made the good years being born in 85 lol

[@blue9multimediagroup]

I briefly rode them as a kid, but more so as a teen with my grandmom as she had errands in Kensington. I always tried to memorize the stops as you couldn't hear the speakers and I lived closer to Fern Rock.

[@josephheston9238]

@@blue9multimediagroup No, it was 1998.

[@kevinfantroyal3112]

Wow. That's the EL I grew up with for the first 25years of my life.

[@thedarkchild86]

RAISED UP ON THE MARKET-FKD LINE .....AS A KID ..THERE WAS NO BETTER FUN THAN RIDING FROM BRIDGE &PRATT TO 69TH STREET AND BACK ... ALTHOUGHT I OWN A CAR ....I STILL USE IT TO GO DOWN TOWN ...ITS CHEAPER THAN CENTER CITY PARKING .......

[@pacman3279]

It's cool to see the inside of the Budd cars

[@jamesbarno9541]

I Miss The Old El Train Cars

[@Yo-Leo]

@james barno I love your videos but mainly your septa history video but can u tell me what's that music

[@blue9multimediagroup]

I miss them too. The M4s are straight trash.

[@GamerRobYT]

@@blue9multimediagroup I've never been on one of the almond joy cars bc I'm 10 Lol but I think m4's and nice

[@blue9multimediagroup]

@@GamerRobYT trust me, those M4s are only good for speed. They have constant issues. Worst septa order ever.

[@GamerRobYT]

@@blue9multimediagroup True they have been cracking

[@trackwerkOG]

Whoa! The side design of these cars is very similar to the Budd Universal cars!! I knew the design I was seeing was familiar but just couldn't pin it. This is and will always be prized and amazing footage 😎

[@kevinhoward9593]

its crazy to think that the M4s are about 20 now.

[@josephheston9238]

The M4s are about to be replaced. SEPTA is drawing up specs for the M5s.

[@forcechief]

26 as of 2024.

[@jeffbear1472]

And not one of these cars was saved by our friends at SEPTA, let alone a train of them for fan trips or special events. SEPTA could care less about things like that !! They don't even care about the money that could be made with charters, movie shoots, commercials, etc.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

Seashore & PA Trolley Museums each got one so once they're restored (which are in both museums plans), we can enjoy them.

[@blue9multimediagroup]

Hopefully

[@Thatgamingdiary]

:(

[@josephheston9238]

Great video. The only thing that ruins it are the crappy M-4 cars. I haven't rode the El since 1999.

[@Razorgeist]

It was like seeing an old friend again.

[@ghostengineer]

I was on this trip as well. Enjoy it very much other then sweating my you know whats off. Me and a friend made those signs on the side of the train.

[@EMDSD14R]

i sure miss those cars they were great...i grew up riding them....i have a light from one of the cars someone else brought the other one otherwise i would have had both...i think atleast 2 complete sets are still used for worktrain service..great vid!!

[@danahc4851]

My freshman year was 97-98. I didn't realize at the time how I made it just in time to ride the Almond Joys. I think the winter/early spring of 98 was the first time I rode "the new El". I remember I had a coat on. Lol.

[@nyshortline]

3:12 : RIP John Tucker. One of the nicest people I've ever worked for.

[@nonewherelistens1906]

You can't get to Heaven on the Frankford El, Oh you can't get to Heaven on the Frankford El, 'cause the Frankford El only goes to ........................................Frankford.

[@MoonDancer1984]

Where these cars in operation during the 60’s 70’s? I was riding them as my only Mode of transportation as a child and to Frankford high school from K&A. Ppl that was an awesome neighborhood in the 60’s ! Now, 5 decades later this little girl from K&A, went to Temple, taught school in Philly . Then became an international traveler in 80’! Lived in Ottawa Canada 🇨🇦, then all over the states. Mid 80’s worked on International Cruise Ships! Never would have given up my rides on the EL. They made me the person I am today . Awesome memories. I grew up from 0-6 yrs on the 2000 block of Front Street too. Down the street from where Rocky was filmed. That tropical fish store was real. Writing my book ! Blessings Peace!

[@trainluvr]

Yes these cars were introduced in 1960 and they were manufactured by Budd right in Philadelphia. I am glad you enjoyed my video.

[@MoonDancer1984]

Trainluvr Hi, thank you so much for the memories. I send this video far and wide to my friends who never believed me about the EL. Awesome times! El was very safe then. That is a part of who I am today. Again , thank you so . Blessings , Peace .

[@judyfreed4555]

Z'ev: The Metro North is about the only other operation with rail over wire system. Harder to service but much less service required. Metro N is standard U S gauge while M F S E is PA Trolley {5' 2.25 as are C T D trolleys} #100 unique trolley with third rail but standard U S gauge, #101, #102 -as were other Red Arrow- used 5'2.50"

[@CtrainytTransit]

I LIKE SEPTA MARKET FRANKFORD LINE M3 BUDD ALMOND JOYCARS AND THE SEPTA MARKET FRANKFORD LINE M4 TRAIN TOO

[@NeedtoSpeak]

I was in 6th grade at the Jacobs school on what is now Old Bustleton Pike. It was 1960 and I looked out the window and saw the first Budd car on a tractor trailer going by from the Budd Plant to the Bridge Street terminus! At that time, the exterior of these cars looked stunning and modern. They should, however have been air conditioned…..big mistake.

[@furious3383]

Similar to the Budd 2200’s that also came out of Philly that were built in 1969 and 70 that were delivered to Cta (in Chicago)for two then newly opened Dan Ryan and Kennedy extensions. They got overhauled by the New York Rail Company in 90 and retired in 14. Except that these cars had blinker type or folding doors. Unlike its Septa cousins.

[@DPrizm215]

SEPTA was so clean in the early 90s

[@demetriamiller5771]

This is the best vid ever

[@wallyprice515]

Man got to ride them on the Market side and the subway but never the Frankford part

[@CodyWinters-ok1uz]

TRUE THAT i live in NYC i love the MTA but SEPTA knows how to run theyre shit

[@jayskicksnfits9372]

GeneralHawk505 *THEIR

[@darryldrayton1968]

They were faster and louder than the new ones.

[@UNLIBRESPORITU39]

the old M3 BuddCars were replaced by the New Market Frankford Line M4 Cars.

[@CtrainytTransit]

I RODE THE MFL M3 BUDD TRAIN FROM 69TH STREET TO 63RD STREET

[@lamarbrown1669]

I swear these lasted up to year 2000

[@thor-elfalcon3057]

There was a 5car work train of Budds that lasted until 2005 when 2 M4s were converted to work motors to replace them.

[@Thatgamingdiary]

7:10 Giving Broad Street line horn vibes

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

My father says these were the last trains in America without air conditioning, but that can't be since the R-33WF stayed around until 2003. Maybe is it that these were the last ones to operate year-round without a/c?

[@trainluvr]

The Mattapan PCCs. But they are no more a 'train' than an R33S is.

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

@@trainluvr streetcars don't count, there are plenty of heritage ones without a/c. new orleans is another example

[@nicolasjohnson2464]

why septa get rid of the almond joy

[@blue9multimediagroup]

Old and costly to maintain

[@trackwerkOG]

got it. I also noticed when you are on the train going into the tunnel, a little bit ways in there is a connection coming from the right thats an empty space. was that the original line?

[@shermancoleman5941]

Yes that's the original line

[@pji34]

If your talking about the portal in West Philly... That's a bell mouth if the subway was ever to be extended West ..

[@blue9multimediagroup]

It's not the original line as that went to Arch on an elevated. The last remnants were demolished when 95 was built.

[@IvyANguyen]

@howardkevinm If you mean the restructuring around the area of FTC (including making the new terminal), then it was the early 2000s, roughly 2000 to 2004 IIRC.

[@mscp22]

It's a shame the almond joy car ride video from march 19 1994 you posted is gone.

[@ghostengineer]

@trainluvr Yes I believe youre right. It was the NY Division ERA Farewell to the Budds trip.

[@TrainSounds]

Did the M4's have a sign saying HELLO PHILADELPHIA when the M3s said goodbye.

[@gc4060]

They look kinda like R32’s

[@tzebedi]

agreed

[@neddbearfnaleftys6886]

39 years the budd train survived

[@yanirarodriguezportez152]

I swear they look exactly like the nyc ones

[@sjice69]

9:31 Looks like they tore part of the el down at some point. Anybody have info on it? I'm a NYC Subway guy, I'm not familiar with the history of the Philly lines.

[@josephheston9238]

Well the Market Street El went from just east of Millbourne to 23rd Street then it went underground until 1955, then the section that was between 45th and 23rd was replaced with a subway tunnel that went under the Schuykill River.. The Frankford El went from Bridge-Pratt to Front & Arch Streets, then the section from Arch Street to Wildey was replaced with tracks that ran in the median of Interstate 95. 32nd Street, 36th Street, and Fairmount stations were relocated to 34th, 30th (originally 30th-31st), and Spring Garden.

[@sjice69]

@@josephheston9238 Thanks, appreciate the input.

[@PHILLY2727]

@MaBooTA37 Routes 59,66 and 75....29 and 79 are diesel buses but supposed to go back to trackless soon.

[@trackwerkOG]

Propulsion sounds like GE, only 10 R32's had GE propulsion, and some-alot of the R38's had GE. All R32's today are Westinghouse, the GE cars are retired. Were the R38's built by budd? not sure...

[@trackwerkOG]

@Craig F. Thompson Found out the R38s were infact built by St Louis Car. Just the design was strongly influenced by the R32s. Me 8 years ago didn't know what I did today lol.

[@josephheston9238]

The odd numbered half of a married pair had GE 1250F1 motors. The even numbered half of a married pair and all single units had Westinghouse 1454A motors.

[@trackwerkOG]

Towards the end of the video when going in the tunnel, whats that structure going on the left?

[@1stwonder788]

Orion V 9967 The el at one point continued above ground in the 20s or 30s

[@judyfreed4555]

@@1stwonder788 Frankford to town had the spur to the Ferry Terminal and there was a switcher sack that was there for years. Eastbound on Market, there was the stub from the elevated superstructure that proceeded further east before entering the tunnel.

[@jorgegaston5391]

These had the same sound as those of NYCTA’s R32s

[@ih8thyssenkrupp]

dude, GE only OVERHAULED 10 R32s, just because MK overhauled the others doesn't mean they can't have GE propulsion. i'm pretty sure all of them do have GE, even though they sound like Westinghouse propulsion to me I've seen cab pictures and the master controller had GE brand labels on it...

[@kidnyce3773]

the trains are small now

[@philadelphian7814]

Was so clean back then smh

[@gunnerlindenn264]

@michael lezzi. No it's always crowded even at night I ride the el all the time and its sometimes impossible to get a seat

[@ROTE]

Those trains look a lot like the r32s of the mta

[@TrainSounds]

Was this taken in 1999?

[@MaBooTA37]

I noticed the trackless trolleys at the end of the run(4:20) Can anyone tell me which routes in Philly still run trackless trolleys today in 2011?

[@pji34]

Routes 10,11,13,34 and 36.

[@josephheston9238]

The Trolleybus routes are 59 (Castor Avenue), 66 (Frankford Avenue to Knights Road), and 75 (Wyoming Avenue).

[@josephheston9238]

@@pji34 He meant the trolleybus routes, not the Subway-Surface routes.

[@TrainSounds]

and Say Hello to the M4!!!

[@josephheston9238]

I'd rather say goodbye to the M-4.

[@tzebedi]

@@josephheston9238 LOL Damm

[@blue9multimediagroup]

@@josephheston9238 i concur

[@josephheston9238]

@@tzebedi And it seems like I'll get my wish since SEPTA is coming up with specs for the M5s.

[@TrainSounds]

@@josephheston9238 I think the current problem with the M4 is that they were not overhauled.

[@nyshortline]

Regauged Almond Joys (and CTA's) at Haverford on the P&W: kzbin.info/www/bejne/anXCg5yne7WehM0

[@patrickgallagher1161]

Were they singles and married pair cars?

[@grmey78]

Yes! The 600`s where double enders. The 700 through 900`s where married pairs.

[@zues6938]

Memories when I used to graffiti, Climbed alot of roofs

[@UNLIBRESPORITU39]

no the sign says Welcome to the New El.

[@tkandme3]

mta blows. GO SEPTA!

[@moises9885]

Eu me lênbro o trêm de 12 condestino brás a calmoviãna.

[@zues6938]

Smoke alot of bud on those train

[@inluvwith7of9]

66 75 59

[@nemesisx1]

aint that the turth

[@brittanydwilliams4545]

I don’t

[@Splenda257]

I remember that those cars sucked.