1962 Triumph T120 -V- 2016 Triumph T120 comparison. The Carthorse and the Thoroughbred!

[@magicdaveable]

I had the single carb version that upgraded with 800cc jugs/forged pistons. I wound up altering the brakes to hydraulic discs from a Honda CB750 along with the hydraulic forks. The Honda 750 also donated the swingarm which took some modification. An alrernator from a Honda CB350 rounded out my "hot rodding" efforts. Of course the electrical system was converted to 12 volt negative ground. It was my Sportster killer. In the canyons of the Southwestern Sierras of California she was truly impressive. My all time favorite "scooter" from old days. Eventually she got a Morris magneto. I truly regretted selling her. A very dependable and comfortable all around motorcycle. Great video Stuart. Peace.

[@cannedcatfood377]

I didn't realize the new bike was so close in size to the old one. The 2012 Bonny I tried out back then felt so much bigger than my 1970. Yes the old ones are cooler but were designed to be maintained on a regular basis. All the newer anything (not just bikes) are made to just get on and go. No adjusting, no tuning, and no de-coking every 12000 miles either on the new bikes. You need to enjoy wrenching like I do if you want to own something over 40 years old. Thank you to all you in the U.K. that have helped keep these fine old machines on the road!

[@Nrgpack]

Ohh, that sound is music to my 61 year old ears... That bike is a collectors item, ..it was another time, hmm, maybe my time😁, I rode one in the late 70's. Big thanks Stuart!!

[@nuckleknight2]

Filler caps are on the right side so that fuel won't leak out when the tank is nearly full & it's on the side stand..

[@stuartfillingham]

So..... why don't they leak on all my other bikes with central fuel caps and side stands?

[@nuckleknight2]

@@stuartfillingham because they Dont vent through the cap and they went designed in the 1940s. I made an inner filler cap to stop my 46 Matchless spewing fuel all over the place if you put more than 3/4 of a tank in it! Perhaps keeping water out was more important than keeping fuel in back in the day?

[@andrewbull3537]

When the bonny fired up it made all of the hairs on my arm stand up !, What an amazing sound !,thanks stu. Take care onthe road, peace out ✌️

[@JsnHgl]

I love the originals BUT am very happy to be able to go out to my garage, fire up my 2018 T120 and roll off into the sunset reliably, every time.

[@keithstewart1979]

Very nice bikes. I had an opportunity buy a 1973 Bonnie a few months ago and decided to get a brand new interceptor instead.

[@motormikeb1047]

When I envision. " motorcycle ".. a late 60's Triumph 650 comes to mind. A blend of style, form and smart performance in one handsome package. I had a 1965 650 Tiger in stock condition with a package rack on the tank. It wasn't without it's moods, quirks and the dreaded Lucas voltage Gremlins. But when all was sorted out it was pure motorcycling joy..what motorcycling was..is.... all about. When my Grandson was 4 I gave him his first motorcycle ride on it and promised on his 18th birthday I'd hand him the keys. I handed over the keys last year. 😎

[@jvlivtriple]

Another great video. I agree that the new bike looks stubbier or chunkier than the original. I have never liked the seam on the bottom of the tank on the new ones. I also don't like what they did to the logo. Look closely and you will see the difference. I think the new engine is supposed to look like the later model "unit construction" models. Same for the carburetor, it looks like an Amal concentric instead of a monoblock. I feel the taller wheels look better than the 17 inch wheels currently in vogue. While you mentioned the horsepower difference, you didn't mention the weight difference. The old bike was much lighter. It actually handled pretty well. I owned a 1970 Daytona 500 which shared some components with the Bonneville. I rode that bike all over southern Europe and across Great Britain while I was stationed with the US Navy in Italy. Eventually I shipped it back to the US and rode it for a few more years before selling it. Now I wish I had it back. To this day I feel that the older Triumphs were some of the prettiest bikes ever made.

[@brianperry]

Cant argue with that Jim...Triumphs were very popular across the 'Pond'... Steve McQueen, Clint Eastwood, James Dean to name but three well known bikers ...I believe Jay Leno is a great trumpet owner.

[@alanhat5252]

@@brianperry Steve McQueen kept his bikes in Chadwell St Mary in Essex, UK. I know this because my Dad & uncle used to look after them.

[@alanhat5252]

The Amal Concentric was named because the float chamber was concentric with the throttle slide & therefore underneath. These are not Concentrics.

[@Stefan_trekkie]

Few things to notice .. The old one has covered chain and long front fender. .. This says that the old one has a more practical side to it.

[@garycarr2530]

The 1962 model is the same vintage as myself I’m not sure if I look quite as good though. Interesting video Stuart thanks

[@bsimpson6204]

Good starter, it was running before the kick start got to the bottom,

[@xperiakppxperiaphone2807]

Hello Stuart, Another great video. The original T120 was from a time when bikes and life in general were much simpler

[@michaelarchangel1163]

I love the Smiths clocks and metal badges of the oldie, and the very light weight. The chap who does occasional body repairs to my car has a carbed 865 Bonneville, which is a pretty nice halfway house, 360 degree crank with a balancer shaft and looks very compact - so much so in fact, that when I first saw it, I thought it was a spoked 60's model.

[@Fred-zc8lt]

Morning Stuart, I knew of the Bonneville speed record, my reading sources never mentioned that Triumph had done the man a dirty deed. That was new to me, always learning from your work on your channel. You're always entertaining and making me think. Hey from New Hampshire, Fred

[@robertkemp9023]

Enjoyed the video. Brought back good memories. I started biking in the mid seventies, and whilst that was on Japanese 2-strokes, Bonnevilles, Tridents and Commandos were what one aspired to. I did end up owning an AJS CSR650, which I deeply regret selling when I needed a car. I now absolutely enjoy my 2020 RE Interceptor, which brings enough of the good bits of British biking of the 60/70s without the bad bits 😊. My misty-eyed reminiscing was slightly shattered (just before the 62 bike start sequence) by an advert for an electric razor designed to shave ones public hair...thanks KZbin. Back to the 21st Century I guess 🙄.

[@admiralbeez8143]

0:50 look at the lack of rear mudguard on the modern bike vs. the functional, yet attractive mudguard on the 1962 bike. Why do bike designers today assume we don't want a rear mudguard?

[@melfzs]

Great video Stuart, yes the new Bonneville is a bit if a carthorse compared to the original, I owned a '68 Bonneville and by then they were fitted with a twin leading shoe front brake, a bit more efficient than the single one! One of the reasons I bought my Interceptor was that I thought Enfield had done a better job of keeping the slender appearance of a 60's motorcycle than Triumph have done , hence why I don't own a modern Bonneville.

[@maida-vale]

The T120 (Bonneville) was a twin carb, very fast bike and the T110 (Thunderbird), also a 650cc.was not as fast but had a much more sturdy bottom end and was often in original bath-tub condition pulling a sidecar. Any really enthusiastic Triumph owner coupled the T110 bottom end with the T120 twin carb top end and the high comp T120 pistons. In the day it went like something off of a shovel!! I did Worthing seafront on one and after my Harley EL it accelerated faster than my tiny brain could register in relation to what I was used to.

[@GeneralMe100]

The Thunderbird had the same crankshaft just different compression camshafts and cam timing

[@henryhartley9993]

Nice one Stuart, love the original bonnie....

[@enfieldsingle5007]

I had always thought the fuel cap location was to prevent leaks with a full tank when the bike was on the side stand. My old Bullet had a centrally located filler, and had to be stood on the center stand with a full tank.

[@alanhat5252]

The cork seals were pretty rubbish & the rubber replacements weren't much better. They probably sorted it out for 1973/4 following Ralf Nader's "Unsafe at any speed" or maybe complaints after people noticing Japanese ones didn't leak.

[@charliegee9693]

Great stuff as always Stu!

[@frankysworld]

Nice one, Stu! This one brings back memories for sure - and not because I owned a old style Bonnie, (well, virtually I did) the aesthetics of this thoroughbred were key to a rather successful "hobby business" I had in the period 2006 - 2008 in a game called Second Life, when the content creation economy was at its full swing. Lots of people where putting together virtual motorbikes and try to flog them to other players with parts created by a select few - as a result, almost every single virtual bike in the game would have the same Harley-esc v- twin engine. So my idea was to bring some variety to the offering designed engines based on the Bonneville. It was quite a learning curve, but as i got more proficient with the "sculpting tools" - My design became better and my focus of creating engines, frames and wheels based on the Bonnie became a hit - now these sales where all in game currency (Linden Dollars) that could be converted to real money - so parts or complete bikes would sell between few pence for a fender or a frame to maybe 2 quid for a complete virtual bike, and the popularity of the parts and bikes led to sales of such amount that I had saved enough in a few months to get myself a real life Suzuki VZ800. You could say that this iconic motorcycle was crucial to get me on a bike again after a hiatus of more then 10 years. I actually got to the point where I started "sculpting" a RE 350 Bullet inspired engine and parts as a new challenge to myself, but unfortunately the game economy collapsed and the hay days were over - the proceeds were no longer worth it to spend the time on creating new parts. I still have the items on the Second Life market place (under the name of "Darius Draken") and once in a blue moon I still get an email notification that someone purchased one of the parts that are still up there, but I have not done anything with the game in perhaps 5 years. Seeing this video featuring the classic Bonnie brings back fond memories for sure 🙂

[@particleinthewave8378]

Both are beautiful! I love the style so much that I bought my own 2019 T120 in competition green/white for that classic look!

[@particleinthewave8378]

I also added the Motone Rattler seat and decatted and installed the British Custom Predator Pros after watching your reviews. Love them both, thanks for the recommendations and great content, really helped get me through the pandemic with some bit of sanity!

[@leslieadams5507]

Beautiful bike 1962 was a great year, my mother introduced me to the world around us. If only I had a the space and some spare cash. 😀

[@geoffadams8912]

Nahthen from Lincoln. A hugely enjoyable and really interesting comparative - I think both are beautiful in their own right. No matter how much I love the old bike I actually think these modern classics are superb. And when their time is eventually passed I think they will be equally as admired for what they are, just like the old bikes from the 60s/70s are now. And that's why I think my 2017 Triumph Bobber, which I have fallen in love with, will be with me for a very long time. Great vid, thank you!

[@andreVE4BK]

Another informative and detailed video Uncle Stu! Always interesting to see comparisons and “hues” between the original and the newest addition to the Triumph livery. Stay and ride safe my friend!

[@KRAM-zb2vc]

Brilliant video as always Stuart and that’s a mighty fine looking bike, which is the same age as me 😌👍🏻

[@bobyearley5088]

Starting a bike on the side stand is almost the worst possible sin! Centerstand, no stand or get 6 inch inserts put in your legs :-)

[@ArchieKeen1]

My grandfather has a triumph 3ta (twenty one) from 1958 and he lets me ride it whenever I want, it’s such a different and interesting experience compared to my modern bike (Kawasaki w800) the sound is so much nicer, but the brakes are more there just to gently slow the bike down than stop it!

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

On a Triumph you can upgrade the front brakes to the twin leading shoe break the breaking difference is like night and day my TR6 with the 69 double leading to break will burn Rubber stopping my bike best brake Triumph and BSA ever had much better than Lockheed disc brakes Norton and dunstall had their own twin leading shoe brake conversion for those bikes as well do fast bikes need stop fast breaks one is an original the real thing the other is a fake phony rendition of a legendary motorcycle like a movie or a TV show the original is always the best the new bike is a One-Shot Wonder it's built to last through one or two owners and then the engine will be completely worn out from everything running in bare aluminum the old Triumph was made to be rebuildable forever the new Triumph is a is it disposable like a stove or a refrigerator made to be thrown away instead of being repaired the new Triumph is a JAP bike with an English built pricetagg it has an English name but that's it your 1962 is the real deal in the old days when you bought a British bike everything on that bike was British when you bought a German bike everything on that bike was German when you bought an Italian bike everything on that bike was Italian that was the heart and soul of these motorcycles they were built by people who earned a wage good enough for them to pay for a house and to live on they got their Christmas bonus every year and the stockholders. A nice dividend but then incredibly short-sighted stupid management ran all those companies into the ground thousands of people lost their jobs with no Prospect of employment thousands of people lost their life savings wrapped up in their dealerships when poor bought AMC he struck out AJ s and matchless and so lost over 800 dealers both brands you had a motorcycle shop in those days because you like motorcycles you want to try and Shop because you like Triumph you had a PSA healer trip because you like bsaa you had a Harley dealership because you like Harley all the mom-and-pop dealerships where the strength of their brand and when they were pushed out of business it was a stupid move that cost corporations lots of money I knew an old Harley dealer in the Train club and he used to say he sold Holly's when you couldn't give the bastards away Harley wanted him to build a palace and he said no way I'm done the new Bonneville the new Beetle the new Mini they are all exercises in vehicular necrophilia in a hundred years that 1962 Triumph will be in somebody's motorcycle collection and the new Triumph will be made into beer cans when it's crapped out they are not rebuildable they are disposable like everything these days you don't fix anything you don't repair anyting you throw it away and buy a new one a sad commentary on today's existence

[@Cookie69697]

Nice to see another person has gone to the Dark Side as well 🥷🥷🥷😂

[@goldilocks913]

I’ll have the modern one with the petrol prices of 1962 please!

[@user-rf9me7xm1w]

Only if you receive the wages of 1962.

[@goldilocks913]

@@user-rf9me7xm1w There was talk we’re in the same financial situation as 1970 so not far off 😂

[@michaeljoesmith3977]

I had a T120 back in the day and it would do the tonne plus 15 with pillion passenger . Another well made informative video. Thanks.

[@sirtarquin7288]

Excellent video, thank you.

[@christopherwhite5210]

Hi Stu, another great video. For what it's worth all Bonnie's were twin carb. The virtually identical and much easier to live with single carb version was the TR6 trophy. When they went 750 the designations changed to T140 (!) and TR7 tiger. And I much, much prefer the original. All the best mate.

[@stuartfillingham]

Not in the first few years as a few here have confirmed. I think the twin carb uk version came in with the later unit construction motor

[@christopherwhite5210]

@@stuartfillingham I hate to disagree with you, honest, but I used to work with them. From the first 59 models with the original nacelle they were always twin carb. Doesn't mean that owners didn't change them though

[@adam-il1fi]

100% they had twin carbs, the first ones had a remote float bown in the middle of the 2 carbs

[@johnDukemaster]

Nice idea! Regarding the engine. The new 1200 looks more like the one that came in -63. This one (-62 and earlier) have separate engine and gearbox. Thank you mr Fillingham

[@kimkock-hansen2531]

What a beautiful bike, one could get an “orange crush” on it 🤪- I have a 56 speed twin, and these old bikes has something. Hope your friend’s bike is sold to one who appreciate the heritage in these bikes.

[@JohnSmith-xw5qe]

Thanks stu for a wonderful video👍🏻 Couldn’t take my eyes off the original T120 beautiful bike it’s sad your mate is having to sell it(very unfortunate am not in a position to put in an offer)It sounds brilliant & looks stunning! Well done to ya mate for looking after it!

[@stephendove5306]

I think a closer comparison in looks would be the 1962 bonny and your Interceptor ! just my opinion . 🤭

[@tauncfester3022]

I'm noticing a little leanness in the idle circuit while warming up on the '62, little backfires and slight hesitation and popping. But mechanically it's really quiet, love the light 'tickety' sounds of OHV bikes. I suppose the only fuel enrichment when starting with those Amals is the float tickler so the lean running is expected.

[@robertadams4415]

Good one uncle Stu

[@alanbstard4]

lovely stuff

[@68orangecrate26]

Two great bikes... Love my modern Bonnie..

[@Cookie69697]

My old bike the T120 that I cutdown to a cafe racer spec with drops and single seat. The clock would record 110 if conditions were right. Mind you it knocked spots off my BSA A10 650 rigid frame. One thing I wonder if I could cope switching the rear brake again. 🥷🥷

[@davidconnelly2096]

Very nice video...... very interesting ..never had one as Honda had entered the field by late 60s when I started ...wonder how many current bikes will be running in 2082!!

[@billfish5913]

I’ve always loved Bonnie’s since I test drove one in 1971. But I’ve always gone for different brands for various reasons. If I bought a Bonneville today, it would be a new water cooled model. I own and drive/ride a 1978 VW Camper Bus and a 1986 BMW R800RT touring motorcycle, which have their charm, but have been known to make me show them some love on the side of the road, even though I work to keep them in a good state of tune. I would prefer a new Bonnie that has a high probability of getting me there. Nice video.😎

[@tony306l]

hi stuart . you are the most informative person on youtube i have found about the classic 500 so looking for your opinion and advise really or just pick your brains .. To cut a long story short , awaiting to collect a 2014, 500 classic with 400miles on it from new from a dealership. I SUSPECT its been a display or keepsake of sorts with little info ...as of yet and like most dealers they are clueless in what they are selling its been modified by Hitchcock's ,,with the twin sparkplug head and a few extras like lights and panier rack ,,, i know it will need the run in process and treated as new bike and to follow the rules as such.....but its a 7yr old so would i treat it as a new barn find and strip and replace seals if so what would you recommend?? and grease everything as i am pretty sure the dealership will just run it through as an off the shelf new bike with a browse over and an oil change and fluid check .i do subscribe so even an inclusion of 5 mins in a video would be helpful.. as if you are like me ,,,its easier to tell than type ..

[@andrewhayes4246]

Further to your comments Stu, Hinckley Triumph wanted nothing to do with the Meriden Triumphs at the beginning, until their 'marketeers' cynically realised strength of love for the old 'uns and the value of the retro market, then they were all over them.

[@stuartfillingham]

I remember that well!

[@nuckleknight2]

I have ridden old Brit bikes since I was 14, I love them but they are hard work. They constantly need tinkering, I used a 46 Matchless for work all year from 94 to 2009 most weekends something would need looking at though it didn't often let me down. Triumph needed to show the new bikes were not like this, they needed to prove their reliability and leak free attributes, once this had been shown they could then milk the retro market. I still ride a 68 Bantam to work in the winter and a 78 Bonneville once most of the salt has cleared..

[@andrewhayes4246]

@@nuckleknight2 yes, me too built and ridden for 51 years but our experiences differ. The problems they had can all be overcome (even leaks) using modern techniques and once properly built could do the miles with only normal servicing. Triumph didn't just not mention their previous (and actually completely separate) sister brand, the salesmen actually rubbished them. No, I stick by my experience that their later use of the Meriden Triumph history is cynical. The Hinckley's are very good bikes indeed, don't get me wrong, I like them - especially the retros (not including the Trident which is not any kind of retro).

[@richardmoore7381]

And why would they- the last Meriden bikes were appalling- the BSA overlords are much to blame but better not to go digging up the past and instead look to the achievements of Triumph today, Bloor bought the rights and put his own money up, the heritage was his to exploit.

[@shanekeat7473]

Tbh i like the old one more and i feel that RE seem to have kept truer to the old school look in general with their 650 interceptor, also truer on power and engine size... just saying...

[@alan1340]

1962 version any day for me but then I am a 74 yr old dinosaur with a definite penchant for 'old skool'. Having said that a Triumph is a Triumph.

[@sait33]

Old is always Gold 👍❤️🙏 1962 when I was at the of 9 years 😂

[@cedricletourneur5980]

Bonjour Stuart et à tous les amoureux des "Bonnies"! Perso, 1962 est l'année de ma naissance et bien sûr, je roule aujourd'hui avec une T120 de 2019. J'ai reçu hier les peintures "Intense orange" et "New england white" afin de repeindre mon réservoir (gloss black) dans ces merveilleuses couleurs dont j'ai toujours eu la nostalgie. Merci pour cette belle vidéo et bon weekend à tous les amis! Cheers from France!

[@frankkemble2103]

T110 single carb and T120 was the twin carb Bonny. The Hinckley produced bikes aren't actually Triumphs. John Bloor bought the name ONLY- not the company. The reason that the Triumph logo was changed was because he wasn't allowed to use the original logo because his product was not technically a Triumph. In fact John Bloor deliberately distanced himself from the Triumph company but then benefitted hugely from the association but an old Triumph and a new Hinckley product are as different as chalk and cheese. . I've owned a hinckley produced Bonneville and I loved it ( the 790 version) but I got rid of it when I bought the new Enfield Interceptor which I have to say is both a better bike and also strictly speaking a proper Enfield unlike the Hinckley products which are not Triumphs.

[@clivep500]

I didn’t know the background to the speed record bike. Always assumed it was a factory effort given the way Triumph advertised it. Much prefer the original bike’s looks. Modern Triumph petrol tanks are too bulbous in my view which I think is due to having to house the fuel pump. If you compare a carb Hinckley Bonny with a 2007 onwards fi model you can see the difference. Thanks for an informative video.

[@karthiksubramani4102]

Another great video.love the 62 triumph ❤️. Got any old Enfield's?

[@stuartfillingham]

Yes we do

[@karthiksubramani4102]

@@stuartfillingham please make videos on old bullets too 🙂.

[@jonathanstyles5033]

Interesting review Stuart, wouldn't your T100 have been a closer comparison, bonneville to bonneville, after all as you say, your T120 is heavily modified. Keep up the good work👍.

[@jabjab1010]

My wife was looking over my shoulder and she said the old looks like a skinny greyhound and new looks like an Airedale! I love the paint on the old, but modern is more to my favor. If only the tank rack for modern wasn’t just suction cup secured.

[@alistairshaw3206]

I never owned a T120, but bought a new T140D in 1979. Great to ride, but so unreliable. i remember riding around the Isle of Man in 1977 with a few boys, I had a CB250G5 at the time and one of the other boys had a 1966 T120, a beautiful bike! I'm a classic enthusiast and wish I could afford the T120.

[@richardyardley5127]

Brilliant Stuart. Thank you for this video. Both great bikes but I can't help thinking that the Royal Enfield Classic 500 ticks all the boxes more than both these two lovely bikes do. Just my view :-)

[@brianperry]

The pre Unit Engines always looked better that the later Unit Construction type in my opinion, but then it was a design we all grew up with. Adjusting the primary drive meant adjusting the final drive, But hey! it was all part of 'tinkering' and maintenance. By the way, as far as I know, 'Bonnies' always had twin carbs with open venturer bell mouths. This is the archetypical motorcycle where everything looked right because it was. Comparing the two, Aesthetically I think the original looks better. Handling wise, probably find the new version is superior. Back in the day Triumphs engine, especially the Bonneville was notable for being tuneable, and ended its life being installed into a Norton Featherbed frame that had better handling qualities. Giving birth to the most famous of Cafe' Racers the Triton. The Bonnie though, it all its guises is still a motorcycle icon..

[@alanhat5252]

the steering angle on the new one looks steeper which will make it twitchy & needing to be manhandled in corners

[@rickhill6277]

Great comparison Stuart! I really like the look of the’62 rear end. Very little space between the Fender and Tire. The newer ones look more like Naked bikes with so much space and I think ruins the looks.

[@sirtarquin7288]

Pre unit construction, beautiful I had a brand new unit construction T120 in 1969, it was crap so I went back to BSA. I loved my DBD 34 Gold Star.

[@steveball2307]

How I long for the days of proper mudguards - must be my age! 😀

[@stormytempest6521]

T120 Stuart, Proper Rockers Bike! Style wise superb, shame about the mechanics, aye we nearly got there back then,regards.

[@andrewhayes4246]

If you wanted to compare like for like, you should have used the T140E 750cc which had twin concentrics and of course the unit construction engine which the Hinckley copied aesthetically. Also had discs front and rear!

[@timber750]

I owned one of these for a couple of years--very nice bike, but a bit wobble-prone upon deceleration.

[@andrewhayes4246]

@@timber750 T140E? Sounds like headraces damaged or tyre selection,.

[@Trevor_Austin]

This is an “eye of the beholder” issue. I actually prefer the looks of the new bike. Don’t get me wrong, the old one was really pretty but we are now 60 years on and things have changed. If I wanted a historic, vintage bike I would have purchased one. The reason I didn’t was because I wanted a reliable bike with good service intervals, proper lighting, powerful brakes. I also think it is great that other people prefer to own an original Bonneville. What boring world it would be if we all liked the same things for the same reasons.

[@raydean9330]

Would have been interesting to compare your T100 to the older machine Stuart Possibly do a T100 / T120 comparison in a similar way sometime Enjoy the weekend & stay safe good sir

[@kristophertrout7328]

I'm surprised that being from California, it appears to have survived from not being chopped out.

[@brianperry]

Many suffered the fate of being installed into Featherbed frames, although these were probably from wrecks or very tied misused bikes.

[@54macdog]

I'd love to see something more faithful to those original bikes. The modern versions are compromised, understandably, but I really miss the lean and hungry look of the 60s Brits, and many of the 70s Japanese machines such as the RD350.

[@gauravvalsae8316]

Why don't you consider buying that bike, would love to see you own it and make more videos on it.

[@jb4688]

62 for days upon days...

[@82000andymac]

What happened to you PRACTICSL FISHKEEPER channel?

[@mikepopelka2349]

Were you talking about the 2016 T120 when you said it had a 5 spd. transmission or did I misunderstand? I think that using your bike as the comparison model was doing the T120 a disservice in the looks department as yours is quite far from stock appearing. Further, as I was alive and riding at the time the "62" was new I know the trials and tribulations that went on with motorcycles of that period. In the sixties I always thought the rear tire was too thin and changed them out to a larger size for the 'look' so the new bikes have satisfied that need of mine. My T120 is a silver ice version with stock fenders, pipes, seat etc. and with its performance and comfort I'll have to say that I prefer new to nostalgia.

[@adamsimper6364]

Stu, when your friend sells his bike, be there for him… He’s going to mourn. Whisky and shoulder at the ready….

[@anthonybahrawy5183]

It’s a real shame that you didn’t get to ride it I think you would have been very pleasantly surprised by how light and nimble it would have been in comparison 😎

[@stevewalker2047]

Hi Stu. Good video. Music to my ears that. The new Bonny is pretty close but I prefer the original. Triumph seem to be able to create classic looking bikes. Other manufacturers, especially the Japanese fail because the engines just look like small car engines. The Honda CMX 500/1100 for example.

[@hudsonrilke]

Two great looking bikes. I’m not keen on the pretend carbs but good job all the same.

[@chrisheggie952]

Have to admit to a certain bias here, having once been the proud owner of a '69 T120, and how I do miss it now. So I prefer the looks of the old model but I still think Hinkley have made a pretty good job on the new one. Pity about the weight though...

[@stuartbailey5665]

The dial on the clock of the '62 version are so much nicer than the modern. I've upgraded mine with a set of cards from Arton. But still no where as nice as the '62 version. Looks like your T120 could do with a ride though - slight rusting on the brake discs!

[@davidmanix3592]

I absolutely hate those jacked up/raised rear ends with the ass end stuck up in the air with a big ugly gap between the rear fender and tire. It is soooo UGLY! The T120 of today..as are many motorcycles since the 80's ....just do not have the aesthetics of pre 1980 motorcycles. There are of course exceptions: I would say Harley Davidson, Honda Shadow Aero 750, certain Suzuki models, the ( now Chinese ) Benelli Imperiale 400, and various Royal Enfield models still have retained that aesthetic visual beauty of pre 1980 motorcycles.

[@doviethung7514]

😍😍😍👍

[@derekcole5593]

So many shiny things and no space in which to put them! ☹

[@markellott5620]

The problem with 19" wheels today is getting decent rubber to put on them. In some ways this comparison is similar to those conducted between my Kawasaki Z900RS and the original Z1. Again, the modern bike is more chunky visually.

[@tauncfester3022]

Yeah, owning a '67 Ducati with a "19 front, finding the old Pirelli street tires they came with is impossible, there are some vintage IRC in a street block tread pattern still being made.

[@libraeotequever3pointoh95]

Strange that the power-per-unit-of-engine-displacement is worse in the more modern engine.

[@stuartfillingham]

Thats interfering legislation for you!

[@timbarry5080]

A person should really have one of each

[@thomasneedham1512]

The 62 is lovely! I just don't think I would enjoy the drum brakes and tuning carbs.

[@brianperry]

Tuning the carbs isn't as bad as it sounds, remembering that is what we had to do back then.... fuel injection being non-existent. It was just a matter of 'Tinkering' to get a smooth response so that they pulled together with no coughing and spluttering..!

[@UncleWally3]

Then there’s an air cooled T120 gently idling under a neon glow ana warm summer’s night . . .

[@UncleLongbeard]

No matter what, the old one was more delicate and slim and somehow looked better. Modern ones are a bit too bulky IMHO

[@vinnyOdea878]

Yeah pre unit thunderbird engine at salt flats,then it became the boniville

[@dayriderschat]

I prefer the low stressed engine of the older bike ...most bikes work well without water cooling and are much easier to service at home ...

[@themoog3889]

Are you sure the bike on the left is a "proper" Triumph ?? There are no Union Jack's on it ! The new bikes really are standing on the shoulders of giants !

[@bernardhorrigan4753]

Nice bonnie in the best colour , tangerine dream. Single carbed versions were not as fast but more reliable a better bike in the real world

[@kafkastrial8650]

The 'new Triumph looks as if was designed by a committee. If you buy a retro remake never park it next to an original !

[@martinwall212]

Have you got the email a Address please many thanks

[@stuartfillingham]

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[@dawidos117]

Beautiful 1962 Triumph. I wish Triumph had left 360-degree crank in their twins. Sound of engine is very important if you pay homage to the original, imo. Current Triumphs have lost it, because with 270-degree cranks, they sound like every 90-degree V-twin out there. I don’t say it’s bad sound, but it’s not unusual. It’s like with Harley’s new Sportster S. People ask how to make them sound like original Sportsters. Change the exhaust? No! They will never sound like original 45-degree V-twins. Ever! I don’t like the way it is, now. I don’t get it. It must be I’m getting old.

[@neil.wiltshire]

Stuart, sorry to contact you directly this way but I found Motone Customs via your channel. I have made a purchase from Motone that I paid extra for next day delivery. But never mind next day delivery, in actual fact the item has never arrived at all. I got a tracking number that doesn't work anywhere, not royal mail and not DPD. My emails are ignored and no-one answers the phone at all. I tried ringing and ringing and ringing across several days. There's not even any answer phone. As far as I can make out my money has been stolen - there is no customer service whatsoever. Any chance you have an alternative contact method? Or failing that, given your association with Motone - can you investigate? I'm at the point now where I believe it to be a scam business, its a no-go company and we should be avoiding them, not advertising them.

[@stuartfillingham]

I have contacted Sam for you! I'm sure there's an explanation things do go wrong occasionally!

[@webz3589]

Ah whatever happened to colour eh

[@tristanyseult]

I disagree the new bike looks much more pleasing except the dummy carbs, but looks are subjective.

[@9999plato]

I'LL TAKE THE ORIGINAL ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. I'D INSTALL AN ELECTRONIC IGNITION AND BEEF UP THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.

[@hazcat640]

Triumph missed it completely by putting that ugly, anemic, lump of a motor on the new Bonneville.