1970 Challenger R/T 440 vs 1974 Firebird T/A - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE (single heads up)

[@CarsAndZebras]

Both of these cars are very cool in their own way! I'd be happy with either. Stay safe out there!

[@Devildawg-ye8vl]

I am so happy this video popped up, shit was crackin me up, you now have a new subscriber hahaha

[@420-V.T.L-Machinist]

I love your editing!!! Love your channel keep it up

[@jahking1969]

No way that car is worth $14, 000 what's on the windshield I had one just like that except it was an automatic in my interior was blue 79 Z28 Camaro new it cost me $6, 800 came with 342 rear gear differential 350 cubic inch 5. 7 L engine with 861 compression in only 175 horsepower SAD VERY SAD

[@peterwindle4453]

the true winners are the people who preserved these cars... nice work!

[@gary9426]

The Dodge victory was a foregone conclusion, but I was surprised how heavy the Challenger was.....now if the Pontiac had the SD455, THAT would be an interesting race!

[@user-qr7ee2cp4y]

So what if the stock HP is just over 200... didn't the stock challenger t/a run a 14.50 in motor trend? There's a lot more horsepower in that pontiac and that's all that matters.

[@xfriendpendleton5359]

It would end up the same way

[@Lucille69caddy]

xfriend Pendleton SD was a completely different animal. You’d be surprised.

[@sergiojacquez2277]

A 73 SD-455 would eat this challenger no questions asked.....

[@ferrelx]

the SD455 was a Diamond in the rough..the 440 still would still gap it..how? may you ask? well the SD had by far the largest ports of any engine except the ram air v 400 which the SD inherited from that program..it also had a cast iron crank in a 4 bolt main cap heavily reinforced block (go figure that one),forged,magna fluxed and shot peened connecting rods.. also a dry sump provision in the block for serious road racing..but suffered from low compression and a sleepy cam..basically emissions killed it..now the Ram Air V 400 and SD421..eww boy that were some engines there son :)

[@oscarcantu2642]

The 74' + T/A is probably the only muscle car that I would love to have even though it lacks performance. What a beauty of a car. I can't say the same about the Mustangs in those years 😬

[@CarsAndZebras]

By Pure Stock rules you can increase the compression ratio 1.5 points… That would make a major difference with the TA

[@oscarcantu2642]

@@CarsAndZebras Then we would have the best of both worlds 😎 maybe throw in some 4:56s just for safe fun.

[@darrin2053]

I’m a mustang guy and ya, the the 70’s were pretty brutal. 1970 Boss 429 was cool though

[@oscarcantu2642]

@@darrin2053 the 69' Boss 302 is also an iconic American muscle car. 72' might of been the last year of Mustangs that were decent looking. The 78' King Cobra was actually pretty cool imo 🤔

[@donaldhollums3278]

It just shows to go ya how the muscle car had changed from “all show and all go” to “all show and no go”!

[@badgerbait8351]

The biggest disappointment about this video is the fact that those bleachers aren't packed!

[@CarsAndZebras]

they never really are

[@281cobracar7]

@@CarsAndZebras - they need to advertise more.

[@CarsAndZebras]

@@281cobracar7 I have said that a million times, but the guys running it don’t seem to care. You’ve got dozens of cars worth over 100K each, and no doubt it could get a television deal, but they don’t try.

[@etho5032]

Trans am was quicker than I expected

[@CarsAndZebras]

I thought the same. People will compare it to the Challenger and state that it’s way too slow, but the ET it ran was fairly impressive for the car

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

@@CarsAndZebras - more potential in it too. There is a guy running a yellow 79 400 4 speed car, I believe he's been 14.90s in the 1/4. The 79s were more choked up and smogged than the 74s.

[@futon02]

I know the challenger will win, but I love lamp

[@CarsAndZebras]

Can’t ignore the lamp

[@AMCmachine]

Thanks for posting plenty of videos and making house arrest slightly more bearable.

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@therealhonestabe7839]

4:17 is a fart of godly proportions

[@CarsAndZebras]

Sweet nectar of the gods

[@f-bodygarage]

It's a 70 RT vs. A non SD-455 smog era trans am, if it was a 70 SD455 vs. The 70 RT it'd be a very very close race.

[@gojackets4894]

Now, put a 1978 Challenger up against a 1970 Trans Am.

[@edwinfeldman8231]

Ouch! Burned my Pontiac ass... The 70's did nothing for the performance auto industry

[@Welcometofacsistube]

Edwin Feldman the lit red express would care to differ

[@briansd2772]

So would anyone who owns a 71/72 HO-455 or 73/74 SD-455 Pontiac.

[@duster0066]

Actually the 70s did advance auto tech a great deal. Remember the industry was FORCED to produce those smogs motors before they had a chance to work out the technology. The government is responsible for those crap cars. But the performance research to do it right didn't stop. The first mass produced ECU systems came out in the 70s, and eventually resulted in the systems we have now. There was talk of efi, ceramic coatings, and plastic engine parts in the 70s we all thought was nuts. It wasn't. Ya the new cars were so slow, oh so stupid slow. But we're making up for it now. There are many street cars today that will stomp a 1975 Pro Stock car and do it on pump gas.

[@z512345]

Let me tell you . I owned 1974 SD 455 trans Am auto 3:42 gears, and it was mega fast. I never lost a street race with any street car I raced, ( with street tires), and we would race every Saturday night for years. I had owned many big block Corvettes and a 1968 Shelby GT 500 KR, this SD455 was faster.

[@Ws6Ms]

the SD455 was the boss

[@samuelmarsh2847]

@The Bushwacker I've heard street racers tell tall tales but you tell the tallest, 😆

[@davidburman451]

Here's the thing.....I'm kinda old but that means Ive been up close and personal with the best of the muscle car's time. The big problem was tires....fabulous power means nothing if it just shreds the factory rubber. Many of the 12 sec time slips required slicks installed to do it. Pontiac went a different route with RTS ....better tires...tuned shocks....springs....sway bars.....very low to the ground designs. Forget drag times these cars drove better and faster than just about any production car the masses could afford ! The 455HO not mentioned here was affordable....fast...and gobs of torque under your right foot. It was a thrill you just couldn't get enough of......Pontiac got right.

[@z512345]

@The Bushwacker Bush wacker, these where the cars that my friends had. 1970 442 W30 pace car 1969 Chevelle SS396 375hp 1969 Nova SS 396 375hp 1969 Chevell SS 396 350 hp 1971 Corvette LT1 335 hp 1970 Corvette LT1 375 hp 1969 Chager 426 Hemi 425 hp 1964 GTO 389 tri power ?hp 1966 Chevelle SS 396 325 hp

[@sunnymtnboy]

@The Bushwacker did the 427 know you were racing him?

[@CommodoreFloopjack78]

Too bad the T/A wasn't equipped with the 455 H.O. That would've been a much more evenly-matched race.

[@joequillun7790]

You mean Super Duty. That would've been a race.

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

Thanks for keeping the videos flowing through tough times..

[@CarsAndZebras]

thanks for continuing to watch! 👍

[@greggarner4477]

I love both cars. They are both beautiful pieces and were both on the top of their game in their day. Beautifully kept up and very nice pieces of history.

[@robertsnyder5149]

I raced a TransAm just like this one at S.I.R. in Kent, Wash. and got him by 3 cras right out of the hole,. I was in my 1970 Challenger 440 Six Pak. The TransAm driver said he'd never had anyone leave on him like that before because he had highly modified his car. I told him I was honored to provide him with a "Dodge Moment" then.

[@troyallen3427]

The T/A was still a good looking daily driver.

[@craigm2209]

Awesome as usual .That TA may be slow but 4 spd wicked fun n good looking . Reverse to Drive burnouts. Wtf ..

[@CarsAndZebras]

I just thought it was crazy they actually put that in a promotional video. I would love to see someone do that now

[@mikeadcock1592]

Quality control testing different types of u- joints

[@emanyo]

Beautiful challenger

[@CarsAndZebras]

It really is a great looking car. That thing can definitely move!

[@richt8297]

That wasn’t even a race. It was a slaughter.

[@theangrydragon182]

I’m beginning to think C&Z has IBS 3:13

[@CarsAndZebras]

Nah, I just like eating too much vanilla ice cream and pop tarts

[@tacitworm2687]

😂

[@bman99ss]

I hate to admit it, but I actually laughed at that one (despite my previous criticism).

[@1111boone]

I couldn’t tell - did the TransAm ever cross the finish line!! That race was like a 100 meter dash with Usain Bolt against a sophomore in high school!

[@thefupalord9630]

We need a sundial to time that one

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍😎

[@MrTheHillfolk]

2:28 Neutral Drop never told us they had a gig before KZbin ! I'm gonna go have a talk with those fellas

[@UsefulEntertainment]

Tell me about it, im gonna send that video to them.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

@@UsefulEntertainment Haha I just dropped it in the post about Cameraman and his daughter 😁

[@kyboy5]

I was thinking the same thing. I see you everywhere

[@MrTheHillfolk]

@@kyboy5 🤣 Yea I don't watch TV anymore, I like choosing what I want to watch.

[@timmotel5804]

I owned a 1970 Challenger RT/SE 440 Magnum, auto, air,power steering,power brakes. Wonderful car. Excellent video and 2 Beautiful cars. Thanks

[@stevesitton9007]

Needed a 1970 ram air 4 TA

[@stevesitton9007]

@The Bushwacker first one i actually rode in was my cuz 1974 super dudy 455 TA it was pretty fast for stock seen plenty run though at st.Louis international race way

[@lathanrose7410]

My grandpa owned a Pontiac dealership so I always grew up with pontiacs. My grandpa owns a 1968 Firebird, My dad drives a 1973 formula 400, and I’ve been working on my 1981 Trans am with the T-Tops luckily still there so I can tell you for sure that they’re fun vehicles to own even if they aren’t the fastest without that 455

[@CarsAndZebras]

I would not mind finding a 1973 formula. I think that year looks even better without a rear spoiler, but I’m probably the minority on that.

[@robertbeirne9813]

Cars And Zebras I’ll take mine in gold. Signed, Jim Rockford

[@kevindhuse9087]

I had a 75 T/A with the 400 and a four speed. It drove and handled great but it was a real pooch at the drag strip. Might have cracked the high 16’s but that was about it. Still a fun car to drive... just don’t race it. Maybe it was the factory 8-track that slowed it down... LOL!

[@johnwunderlich95]

I had a 1976 Trans Am w 400ci and 4-speed w/ 2.75 posi rear. With a change to true dual exhaust and opening the shaker hood scoop, it ran 15:00 so either he is babying it or it is tired.

[@chrishill1286]

Ah the 70's and 80's where government meets the auto industry. Poor bird, she was embarrassed. They called the pistol grip shifter the "sword in the stone" shifter back when they came out. Dodge ruled the muscle car era!

[@joequillun7790]

Not a fair comparison. 70 440, more cubes, and compression. Try it again against a SD T/A. (even with the lo-comp.)

[@MH-WM]

FINALLY, someone that gets it! I have a 75 T/A with a 462 4spd that would kick that pos mopar to the friggin curb! Mopars are so overrated and cheaply built.

[@dflf]

The difference in just 4 years of emissions standards

[@sunnavailable]

I had a 455 74 Trans Am for 2 years and loved it! Took on a 1969 455 Trans Am at the lights but unfortunately the 1969 actually has close to 455HP. Moral to story: there is always someone faster.

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

Nice! I would definitely daily that Pontiac if it were mine, too. There's nothing I don't like about the Challenger, but in the daily driver role, it would probably be a little bit temperamental.

[@CarsAndZebras]

I really do think that Firebird would be a good driver. They are actually are fairly comfortable.

[@robertbeirne9813]

TheGunfighter45acp that 410 gear, on the challenger, would bring you, about 5 mpg. Gas is cheap now, but you’d spend your life at the gas station.

[@sjgmlg]

Emissions play a huge role in the 4 year difference between these two. Definitely would've been a different race with a 70 TA

[@cactuscanuck6802]

Honestly, considering what each of these cars is, not to mention the unholy weight of these two, those were both fairly respectable times. And both are beautiful cars!

[@maxaustin5277]

thats a 73 in the commercial isnt it?

[@johnb2370]

Yes, that is a 73.

[@theangrydragon182]

I love lamp too

[@CarsAndZebras]

Everybody does

[@marvconnelly989]

I so much appreciate your videos. They always bring a laugh or two while showcasing some really cool cars. Please keep them coming.

[@ivanmarkovicxxx]

The Dodge would never have passed emissions standards 4 years later. That's why it's not really a race to compare different generations of cars. But if you took a 74 Dodge against the 74 Firebird, then they would both be legal cars & that race would be closer. I had a 75 TA back in the day, & it was a dog with 2.41 gear ratio. But it was still very easy back then, to return the car's performance to near 1970 levels for just a few hundred bucks, & that car finally ran 13's on street tires, & got 24 mpg's at 55mph, with just a screwdriver & a hacksaw for most of the mods. Of course eventually I dropped in better gears, & knocked a few more seconds off my time. Never pulled the engine either. And naturally that car could actually make turns on the street at speed, without flipping over on its roof like the straight-line-only Dodge. Let's see Mopar's best car in 1974!? I'm sure it would lose to this Challenger by a similar margin. Let's not forget Pontiac kept muscle alive long after everyone else gave up.

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

I didn't realize the TA was only a 400... HUGE edge to the Challenger then...

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

What you wanted that year for a Challenger was the 340 6-pack. You could actually drive that on a daily basis. The big-block equipped Challengers either plowed into turns or you steered with the throttle. Horrible driving cars. Having a big-block in those was like driving around with an anchor on your front bumper.

[@markg7030]

Yes! Challenger T/A for 1970.

[@f62darkstar]

I am a mopar guy thru and thru....but come on.....this wasn't even a fair match up

[@1967davethewave]

I thought when you asked what we thought the original '74 Trans Am ran the quarter mile in you were going to say they were still waiting for it to finish!!! I love the color on that T/A!

[@TBullCajunbreadmaker]

That Trans-Am is just a slow pig. It actually sounded like the Mopar let off right at the end. You can hear after it shifted into the next gear at the end the exhaust sounded like it got off of the gas and just puttered past the lights at the end. He probably wanted to make sure he didn't break his E/T. You can't blame him, he already shamed the Pontiac.

[@dillonplemmons9649]

TBull Cajunbreadmaker Lmao ok dodge boy now race the Sd455 which was the actual trans am that wasn't built with emissions in mind 😂😂

[@dillonplemmons9649]

Btw dodge doesn't have it's own series like the trans am series 😜

[@TBullCajunbreadmaker]

@@dillonplemmons9649 I was talking about that specific Trans Am. I had a 71 SD455 Trans Am back in the day so it was just an observation guy. It would have been an altogether different race if it was running what I had, maybe a little bit closer race-what ya' think?

[@sometimesieatcake4156]

0:30 is super funny.... and sad

[@CarsAndZebras]

Total power house right there

[@randywheeler5387]

I and a 74 formula 400 that had 3.08 rear end not 2.56. Quarter mile sucked but could run 155 mph top end

[@CarsAndZebras]

3.08 would be a fun cruiser

[@michaelduttry182]

If the Trans Am had the SD 455 it would be a different story.

[@cherrylove3656]

your right more weight for the fat ass Firebird to have to move just because you have a bigger engine doesn't mean you will have quicker time weight to gear ratio is one of the biggest contributors in drag racing and drivers reaction time

[@disgustedvet9528]

I came to enjoy seeing the beautiful cars , the race wasn't even fair.

[@jaylamb9546]

My brother had a 74 Formula 400 cool car. I just bought a 76 Formula to restore, love the 2nd gen Firebirds

[@1979Camaro]

Thus is the race of a high compression car vs a low compression,2 different ball games of muscle cars from different time frames!!

[@darinmcdonnell712]

Great video as always!!!

[@georgewetzel4380]

Amusing videos; I had not seen the firebird transmission ad segment before, but Chrysler aired a similar ad earlier featuring a (I believe) 1972 Plymouth Fury that shows much more violent shifts with the drivers foot pegging the accelerator!

[@davidtaylor9506]

The car in the Pontiac commercial doing the reverse and forward burnouts was a 70 thru 73 model . Not a 74 .

[@lb9gta307]

Same transmission though. Since that's what he was talking about, it's relevant.

[@edwardsmith8627]

@@lb9gta307 Good point . I didn' t even think about that . Lol .

[@therealhonestabe7839]

That is also my favorite beer

[@CarsAndZebras]

Mhmmmm.... I’m get a hint of hops with light oak.... Is that a touch of 110 octane I’m tasting? Delicious.

[@jayburd08]

paced a 74 bird at 140 in my vette once it must have had 2:56's

[@jayburd08]

@Squirmin Herman the one eyed German what was the rear end ratio? the other problem is that it was a ford

[@jayburd08]

@Squirmin Herman the one eyed German your 74 was 0ver 5000 lbs and had a rev limiter it also had the aerodynamics of a brick (square) there was one 74 firebird option that had a 455 with around 320hp i'm sure that bird was stock.

[@ervinthompson6598]

The forward/backward burnout thing was done by Chrysler Plymouth back in the sixties to promote the Torqueflite !!

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

A friend of mine has a 74 T/A 455 automatic car the same color. Sadly, it was left to rot for many years. I sent him this video hoping it might inspire him to save it and get it restored.

[@Auen73]

The commentary made me laugh several times😆.....Great Video👍

[@ItsMe-qq4lg]

To bad it's not a 455 SD it would have a better chance against the 440

[@79tazman]

I use to have a 74 Pontiac Trans Am it was red with black interior and had a 455 with a 400 Turbo trans it was the Y code 455 so it was a optional 455 before the SD455 it was rated at 250hp but I put some HO heads on it with a edelbrock intake long tube headers and a high lift cam that thing would go and had torque like crazy i could give it half pedal from a dead stop and lay a long patch down the road it had a posi with a 3.55 gear it was a fun can that I sold and miss very much

[@samuraijutsu8876]

I was unaware that they made a 400ci trans am in 74. I thought the standard motor for the trans am that year was the 455 390hp, and the formula got the 400.

[@thefupalord9630]

I’m just trying to get in before the, “That’s not fair!!!” crybabies piss their pants over this one.

[@CarsAndZebras]

It’s gonna to happen, no avoiding that one

[@therealhonestabe7839]

Too late. You got Mike Margeson already past his first diaper change

[@HoosierDaddy_]

I can't believe all of the crybabies!

[@djrtaco1791]

Dude, if that was my T/A I would be contacting Butler Performance and blow that Challenger R/T 440 away.

[@chriscarbaugh3936]

Back in the day I had Nunzi for parts! My old TA / GTO hybrid ran damn good!

[@281cobracar7]

My best friend had a 74 Trans Am automatic. I drove it a few times and it didn't fill like a mid 15 second car. It felt a lot faster. I raced him one time in my 70 Challenger 383 automatic 3.23 gears. I just barely beat him so what does that say about my car? My butt meter has gotten better over the years. Lol

[@zone47]

Next, can you line up a race between a 77 Pinto 4 sp with the rallye pack against a 69SS396 L78 Camaro 4 sp? Thanks in advance.

[@DRILL-SGT.HARTMAN]

I have a really clean '79 Thunderbird. It has 2:47 gears. Everyone says I should replace the drivetrain. I know I could regear it with overdrive. But I'm in no hurry in that big car. I love it on the interstate. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I had a '72 Nova benchseat factory 4 speed car with 3:55 gears and hated it on several long trips I took years ago. It needed o.d. really bad. I hate a buzzing engine down the highway.

[@79tazman]

The Red T/A in that ad at 3:09 looked exactly like my car except mine had a black interior that one looks to have the white interior the 74 was also the last year for that back window on the 75 the rear window wrapped around the corner and came to a point and stayed that way till 1981

[@superduty4556]

Well they can't all be a Super Duty!

[@timsacco6g694]

Who picks these matchups? At least find a T/A with a 455 that might have been a different outcome, to compare these two cars performance wise is ridiculous

[@sometimesieatcake4156]

This is not an arranged matchup… It’s a time trial.... Like the video states in big bold letters at the beginning of the race. Quit crying like a little baby. You are embarrassing your ignorant self.

[@MrSteve280]

Crysler had a similar TV commercial for the Torqueflite in '70 or '71 where they took one of their larger cars (Polara) and did the drive/reverse thing spinning the tires. Seems back then people thought the stock A727 Torqueflite was superior to the TH400. Not sure which had the greater parasitic loss.

[@qrm8772]

I had a 76 eith 400/4 speed/3:23 gears and gobs of low end torque.The 4 speed made it fun and the car was good looking but was very heavy and felt more like a personal luxury coupe. Never raced it but estimate mid 15 qm

[@louiskats5116]

Goodday C & Z, What a white wash, that was over before it started, but in all fairness that Trans Am was no slow poke considering all things. Bring on a SD 455 then it would be a more intresting propersition. I can't believe how empty the stands are, I would love for something like this in Australia. Hope you are well & staying out of harms way. We need your video's more than ever now. My deepest sympathy to your fellow citizens, it's absolutely awful & devastating. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤

[@bryanmurphy178]

That low compression Bird didn't stand a chance

[@William-Bill-Munny]

I needed a good laugh so I waited for the outcome. I have been telling my wife the TA was a cool movie car but it was slow slow slow......... as a former Plymouth GTX owner I will be happy to show my wife this video

[@William-Bill-Munny]

PS: my stock Dodge Neon ACR did low 15's lol

[@hoost3056]

All that TA needed was a tight LSA cam to give it some cylinder pressure.

[@varrunningtrains4112]

The 74 Trans Am is like a really old hound dog. It's chubby and slow but you can't help but loving the thing.

[@bbbeck6573]

Get the real deal TA SD 455. Would be no contest. Or run a 318 vs the 400!

[@appointedone9574]

That price is right sound when you talked about the horsepower of the Trans Am in the beginning of the video was hilarious I can’t remember the last time I laughed so hard

[@JC-fm9ps]

John Wick BOGGYMAN

[@paulb.2125]

2.56 gears were stock in the 1975 400 automatic Trans Am...Where was the supertuned SD455 Trans Am VS the Hemi speed times 440.

[@aldoalvarez851]

Damn, the poor trans am said “take me to gaplebees”

[@williemoon7522]

440 six pac challenger was the only thing to ever out run my r code stang back in the 70`s . got me by half a fender .

[@W1se0ldg33zer]

Now put them together on a race course and see who stomps on who.

[@CDPhemi]

Rocking horses folks !! WHATS IT GOT STUNTMAAAAAN!

[@THEScottCampbell]

I'm SHOCKED! Who could have imagined! What a upset!!! (Is my nose growing?)

[@XUFNReviews]

The Trans Am was more than likely closer to stock than the Challenger was I have a 76 T/A 400 4spd that is what those cars ran with the 3:42s with good tires an driver. I also think the guy in the Challenger held back a bit .

[@sergiojacquez2277]

This was a bad comparison, try a SD-455 and you'll see a totally different race.

[@ralphsmallblock4367]

My bad I thought it had the 455 super duty

[@stevesosebee5860]

I sold a ton of TA’s from 1977 to 2003 !!!

[@davidjuarez1834]

Why not put the 1970 455 firebird vs the 1970 440 challenger?

[@divinedriftofficial]

Roadrunner had a commercial where they were doing reverse burnouts to show the strength lol

[@Dogboy1960]

The problem is found in how the race is between 2 cars of absolutely different eras. 4 years doesn't usually mean so much but between 1970 and 1974 it did. If you want a REAL match up? Either find a '70 Trans Am to race the Challenger or find a '74 Challenger to race this Firebird in the Video. A 70 Trans Am brings far more to the race and not surprisingly a '74 Challenger wasn't available with '70s performance oriented 440.

[@flyonbyya]

quarter horse world record is 20.3 sec.... The Trans Am barely wins !

[@CarsAndZebras]

That’s pretty crazy

[@flyonbyya]

Cars And Zebras I live near Lansing, have never been to this event, though I’ll be there for sure this year...both days! Never knew this existed until I ran across your channel Thanks!

[@ted101975]

Omg 18 sec quarter mile

[@CarsAndZebras]

Yeah, don’t blink or you’ll miss it.

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

MONSTER edge to the Challenger.. 2 seconds difference!!

[@Viper3048]

That went as expected. Anything past 1972 was pretty damn slow for the most part.

[@briandungan515]

Love them E body Mopars

[@jaylamb9546]

Actually I would like to see the 383 Challenger R/T against the Pontiac with the 400

[@mccrackenphillip]

Try running the 74 Trans am 400 vs 77 Trans am 400 see how they will do