1970's BBC2 ident

This was recorded from the 625 line service with a 405 line camera on a CV2000B reel of videotape. Early colour TV's had no video output so the only way to record the picture was pointing a camera to the tube. I had, to recover the 405 line signal, do the same with a 625 line camera now. Very complicated isn't it?

[@RobinCarmody]

Wednesday 17th October 1973 - the two clips come from either side of Man at Work.

[@Nico93]

werent somebody here on youtube had reonstructed this ident?.

[@WillCWilson]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYnbqp2snd95e7s Yes, Indeed. And a very good recreation it was.

[@Gannett2011]

The music is "Three-Quarters-Ville" by Roger Webb, from the Chappell music library (C.985A, also on the LP Light Atmosphere Volume 2 (Small Group) - 1967)

[@zer0t1m3]

Can you give me a link to the track? Can't seem to find it anywhere.

[@Landncomics746]

0:13 track starts

[@Robert_Manners]

It does sound very 1967

[@Huffy1001]

Thanks👍🏻

[@edueirdo]

Aparentemente, não existe outra gravação desta música disponível na internet. A música "Three-Quarters-Ville" só está presente no KZbin dentro deste vídeo, resumida a um tímido trecho. Bem, espero poder encontrar alguma pessoa que tenha a sorte de gravar o álbum "Chappell - LPC 985-990" e pôr na web. Quando encontrar trago à vocês aqui. Obrigado

[@philward2538]

The item still exists it's a Perspex cube with 2 printed all the way round and spun on a turntable

[@robalexander8065]

A young David Allen, the doyen of continuity announcers.

[@arthurvasey]

Funny if he was on announcing duty on the night his more famous Irish comedian namesake was on - David Allan introducing Dave Allen! Although Dave Allen the comedian’s real name was Fintan O’Flaherty Wills!

[@kargaroc386]

I'm assuming the original tape doesn't exist anymore and this is the only known copy. Which is a shame because things like the aurora converter exist that can directly convert 405 line video to something that your capture card can understand.

[@RetroGUY77]

When I visited the BBC they said that they usually get rid of their footage after two years of airing it.

[@Aeonterbor]

+kargaroc386 This isn't a tape, Those idents back then were physical models that the camera would cut to, Many of them still exist to this day so I would be surpised if the BBC 2 logo was not kept as a display item somewhere

[@kargaroc386]

@@Aeonterbor Clearly both people have misunderstood me, as I was referring to *this* specific recording, and *NOT* the BBC graphics in general. The description clearly says he filmed a 625 line TV's screen with a 405 line camera, and recorded it to this tape. Then, in 2007/8, he played back the 405 line tape into a 405 line TV, and filmed the screen with a modern camera. He uploaded the results. Today, if the 405 line tape still existed, it would be possible to directly capture the raw 405 line signal (with an SDR) and save it on a computer. Software could convert the raw signal capture into a 377i video with much higher quality than filming a screen ever could.

[@aptheplotagonandpuppetpals6424]

It Says Colour Underneath The BBC Two Symbol, Even Though The Video Isn’t In Colour. Looks Like Some People Just Couldn’t Afford A Colour Camera To Film Colour TV.

[@videorestore2]

That is right. But the second problem: color TV's didn't have video outputs to connect to the VTR. The VTR didn't have a build in tuner and was B&W only.

[@JHollowayNetwork]

From 1967 to 1969, it stayed static, in 1969-1972 the dots were in white and blue, red, green and finally white 2 was rotating. In Circa 1972, there was a change to the BBC2 ident. in 1973, the background changed to blue, the Colour legend changed to Cyan, in Autumn 1974, the 2 was dark blue, and the Colour legend converted to white.

[@mbvideoselection]

Almost. Nov 69-Oct 71 ident was on film and had the 2 in different colours but all with the spot in white. And to clarify that from Jul 67-Nov 69 the only reason the 2 was static was because it was still the old fat 2 logo at that point as used for black-and-white, but with key colours added, as happened to all the supposedly "black and white" captions at the time so people who didn't have a colour set simply wouldn't know.

[@ATVmidlands5581]

The voice of david allen takes me right back to the 70's watching BBC 2. The best BBC announcer. Thanks

[@gentsw13]

Indeed!

[@oilthatgate]

I want to watch the Controversy discussion.

[@coreymurray432]

From information gathered from the BBC Programme Index at the Genome Archive, I've deduced that this was originally broadcast on 17 October 1973, the first part recorded at approx. 7.00 pm and the second part some thirty minutes later.

[@coreymurray432]

@@GloryYoshi2020-TheBritishMF You're welcome :)

[@superplaystation64ltd57]

Ok now THAT'S a video tape.

[@arthurvasey]

Early camcorders couldn't record full colour - movie cameras could record colour, but not sound.

[@matthall3077]

This ident Returned in 1993 For 70s Night Then Again On Saturday 21st April 2012 For Another 70s Night

[@JHollowayNetwork]

EIAJ-1 and Ampex VR3000 were the only colour home video recorders available at the time.

[@heggy_69]

Colour (really, trust us)

[@arthurvasey]

In those days, it was difficukt to broadcast what we called "a telly on a telly" without getting lines down the screen - they would usually chroma-key a picture on top of it.

[@kargaroc386]

actually this is more like 8-bit color, except all of the 256 colors are set to shades of grey =P great video :)

[@paulg1367]

Hallo Dear Sir! Could you to answer my question: 1964: BBC 1, ITV - VHF, A 405 lines, black-and-white BBC 2 - UHF, I 625 lines, black-and-white 1967: BBC 1, ITV - VHF, A 405 lines, black-and-white BBC 2 - UHF, PAL-I 625 lines, colour 1969: VHF - BBC 1, ITV A 405 lines, black-and-white UHF - BBC 1, ITV, BBC 2 PAL-I 625 lines, colour Is this right?

[@danhthanh3005]

B&W TV?

[@wmbrown6]

I did notice a few similarities between the BBC2 logo as in use then and that for Oakland/San Francisco station KTVU as also used at the time. The only difference was that KTVU, to my knowledge, didn't have the "dot" in the top part of the "2" logo.

[@JHollowayNetwork]

This was in colour/circa 1973, but recorded in Black & White.

[@jjovereats]

@videorestore2 Should I find a 405 to 625(576) converter?

[@sarahbrummitt4320]

That's fascinating. I had no idea that CV2000 VCRs had cameras attached to them. Thanks for uploading.

[@videorestore2]

Yes it is. 2 color's. 1 Black and 2 White. ;o) For more info read the "about tis video"

[@Huffy1001]

Hi, the track is Three Quarters Ville by The Marc Laroche Ensemble (1968) composed by Roger Webb👍🏻

[@phoxetis]

Wat een ontzettend verslavend muziekje ! :)

[@astralisvideocollection]

The good ol’ 405 line whistle there :)

[@Nico93]

Man, 2008, its gone fast.

[@michaelfortheloss292]

2 COLOUR *IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE, DAMN IT.*

[@jjovereats]

@videorestore2 Maybe try pointing a huge (like the size of your 377i TV) lens at the TV, and recording the result. Then deinterlace Yadif. It will look much better than another cnversion. Make sure you zoom in to slightly overscan it. Best I could think off of the top of my head. Also, set the shutter to 1/50.

[@hdprogamer7197]

This İs not a made in color but colors it s blue and open blue colors

[@centralcheshirechannel4796]

The vhs deteriorated

[@und4287]

This is not VHS, it's 1/2" videotape, recorded from a TV with a camera.

[@videorestore2]

@jjovereats Yes! And tell me where to find one at a reasonable price.

[@bengcastillejo2156]

BBC 2 BBC1 BBC2 BBC3 der is an annoyeing VHS glitch among us

[@solojinglesradio1]

just as you

[@test-ru2jo]

David is so young!

[@arthurvasey]

Difficult, I meant!

[@kurtvanderbogarde8402]

>Early colour TV's had no video output I don't think they had a video output even later on, at least not til recently. VCRs and DVD recorders have always had their own signal receivers for broadcasting. Question - if you could afford a camera, how come you couldn't afford an early VCR?

[@deerlijkinbeeld]

Early VTR ( reel to reel Video Tape Recorders) had NO build in receiver. Consumer VCR's ( video Cassette Recorders) had.

[@kurtvanderbogarde8402]

@@deerlijkinbeeld So where did they capture the TV signal from? (We know they did because TV recordings exist and not just peoples' home videos)

[@deerlijkinbeeld]

@@kurtvanderbogarde8402 Sony provided a TV monitor with build in receiver. In te case of the CV2000 it was the CVM206BP who only had VHF 405 line reception.

[@borgduck]

@videorestore2 LOL!!

[@dutchstocking8134]

Did you record this recently? Did you recover the 405-line signal?

[@videorestore2]

+Dutch stocking : 7 years ago. The Original video tape was recorded in the early 70's. How i did it is explained in the discription.

[@dutchstocking8134]

Well, I have a 405 line tv, the signal still works :)

[@anonUK]

BBC2 was always 625 line, even on day 1. While there were experiments in 405-line NTSC colour in the 60s, they were never broadcast on BBC2. BBC1 broadcast colour films on the BBC1 405 line service in the 60s to see if their own transmitters and monitors could broadcast and pick them up properly- but gave up on the idea of an NTSC service as it depended on 60 Hz electric grid frequency and gave a low picture quality that would make it difficult to export videotaped programmes in future decades. PAL was only ever 625 line, broadcast on UHF and at the same standard as all other PAL countries.

[@robertcomer2767]

What utter s**t they were putting on that night.

[@sh-ig9fm]

Fun fact this is in colour The colours used are black and white

[@wossisname4540]

Black is not a colour; it is an absence of light. White is the natural combination of all the seven primary colours. Regards, Roy G. Biv