1982 Delorean DMC-12 Start Up, Exhaust, and In Depth Review

[@pressstart1490]

Still looks Futuristic, even today. A lot more after the Cybertruck... It's like his Cool uncle

[@davoid96]

@@krnixle "used to" do drugs

[@DracoRothschild]

I'm going to get one for my girlfriend, she loves bringing up the past.

[@mcknight9189]

MrIseeyou underrated comment

[@derfymen6537]

Daaaamn

[@SONICBOOM-117]

If i talk yo you about thr mayans/ancient Egypt and ww2 will you please buy me one?

[@daveykoch8455]

Great Scott!

[@willin1]

Made my day! Lol

[@x44magnum]

I will own a Delorean before I pass this life. No idea why. I just need to have one. Thanks for the review Kyle.

[@jenso8299]

I feel the exact same way :)

[@IWeasel]

lmfao I get it.... it's just one of those car's you gotta have just because it made history and was in a few movies

[@LunaBellaAngelina]

I have to agree with you. I really want one too lol

[@davidgressli1691]

Me too as well!

[@cplknavenz2115]

i want a DeLorean As Well.

[@TheHesK9]

Does the speedometer stop at 85 so people don't accidently get taken back to 1955?

[@ajalpha5422]

TheHesK9 I guess so

[@automan224]

TheHesK9 laws and regulations (oil crisis and what not)

[@destinationunknown8373]

The people of the 80s thought that making the speedometer go less than 100 (or something like that) would make it so people would go slower. It didn't work. especially for old men who invent time machines out of DeLoreans, that's for sure...

[@williamscott9528]

Cool joke!

[@flylemon4151]

yup!

[@observer1060]

"Doc! You made a time machine out of a Delorean?!"

[@marioiacolucci]

Cyber Shadow great Scott!

[@kingprone7846]

i guess he figured that if you gotta put a time machine into a car then you might as well do it with some style

[@kingprone7846]

besides....i have a feeling that the stainless steel construction probably helps with the time traveling process.

[@chrishansen7004]

You made a Delorean out of a time machine?

[@guyincognito7308]

@@kingprone7846 the stainless steel helps the flux dispersal......LOOK OUT!!!!!!! (plus the car was kinda bullet proof too....)

[@Eliyourcarguy]

Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads.

[@blood3927]

yeah we do what if we get lkst

[@JayRicci7891]

maxxtruck9906 Hey McFly! Why dont you make like a tree, and get out of here.

[@MetalSubYT]

JayRicci7891 Chicken? Bhk Bhk bhhhk! *No one calls me chicken.* **Tries to fight back but fails**

[@RyanGosling6]

Gas? We don’t need gas

[@ToppatClanPenguin]

No we still need roads

[@bilal00276]

Idc if this cars performance is shit. It looks bloody amazing. Especially the back.

[@MatJiowoo]

perfomance isnt really good but putting a faster engine would make it way better

[@bendsomemetal]

+Mat Jiowoo it was considered fast in the 80s

[@MatJiowoo]

bendsomemetal Ford probably borderline fast?

[@MatJiowoo]

Ean GS Yerbic in some ways yes

[@bendsomemetal]

If you can upgrade a couple parts you can easily get the car to produce 220hp

[@TheRealEasyA]

Whoever owned this DMC before has taken remarkably good care of it. It's an amazing vehicle and looks almost brand new. Amazing review. :)

[@kingprone7846]

its completly rediculous how this car just doesnt age. It still looks modern. I think it is because due to the lack of any curves. It's all edges.

[@firepower7017]

G Coy Tell that to the Lamborghini Countach

[@MAllen-ng8pl]

like the bricklin sv.

[@adriennefinney4991]

I think it's due to the stainless steel =P love this car. 80s tech, rust proof body. Correct me if I'm wrong, diamond chassis??

[@hannibalburgers477]

@G Coy looks 2015 to me.

[@always_trust_all_scientists]

@G Coy I agree. It looks 80's modern Wich is really retro in reality.

[@Evan2]

It's hilarious how it's famous for going 88 mph, but the speedo only goes up to 85

[@koekje00005]

+WinXPwhiz Most models did go up to 135 or 145. I forgot exactly what it was.

[@koekje00005]

+WinXPwhiz Appearantly it was a law back then that car companies needed to limit their speedometers to 85. This law was later scrapped of course and the other (1982, 83) versions of the car (like the one used in BTTF) has a speedo with 140.

[@Evan2]

+koekje00005 Actually didn't know that. So the needle would continue to rotate beyond the speedometer printings if it surpassed 85?

[@elirogers181]

there was a law at that point that speedometers could only go up to 85 mph

[@xmsteel]

+WinXPwhiz No, it would "Peg", stopping at the highest reading. At least, they are suppose to.

[@michaelhechmann6832]

The DeLorean is a very cool Car.

[@betogameplaysgb937]

@@Star737_yt nope,ur car

[@nathaniel04]

“We’ll duel at 7 o’clock. I do my killing before before breakfast.” “How about 8 o’clock. I do my killing after breakfast.”

[@VeganBytes]

You'll never understand how epic this car is until you see it in the flesh. That stainless steel finish is amazing up close and personal. Going to rent one for a weekend soon, going to be a blast.

[@drdz1]

Doc: - sets year 2015 - 2015: - flying cars were invented - 2019: Oh Really? Im Sure I Haven't Seen Those Yet

[@RockyFoxxowo]

ever heard of personal aircraft?

[@bradleyjones8207]

Maybe them changing the timeliness in the 3rd and didn't crash into the rolls causing the invention never to have taken place

[@AC-pm7sn]

Imagine trying to go through a drive through with one of these things. Let me just open my window...wait. Ok let me just open the door right next to this wall...damnit!

[@AC-pm7sn]

***** You do when your window doesn't open enough to be able to pull a drink through it because you're driving a DeLorean, buddy.

[@quinnisquinn9502]

+llxFALLENxll you just don't get the joke

[@rtydht45r5]

+llxFALLENxll you didnt have to watch the movie but if you watched this video you wouldve seen him display how only a portion of the window opens lol

[@destrawd4658]

Actually the door only needs like 4 inches to open.

[@DKnight51]

Not hard to do at all. Needs very little clearance to open. I’ve done it in mine many times.

[@ItsABassDammit]

This is a car that really deserved to have a turbocharger, at least 200hp, and hit at least 140mph. It is a sports car anyway, it could have used some better numbers.

[@lotorres2090]

Classic

[@TheCobruhAlienat0r]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone put a built motor in it and raced it at the drag strip. But changing anything like that would ruin it as far as a collector item goes.

[@ItsABassDammit]

TheCobruhAlienat0r Yes, there are people that did that.

[@Superxpninja]

demarc ls delorean is best delorean

[@JakeTheTankmaster]

Someone put a 500hp Ford GAA V8 WW2 Sherman tank engine into I think a 1969 Mustang. While it's a cool idea, it's a waste of such a rare engine and fine mustang

[@Trades46]

Sick car. It isn't fast, but definitely a head-turner as much as Ferraris. Also, it's the car that "when it hits 88mph, you'll see some serious sh*t..."

[@jamesmoir7709]

If you hit 88mph in a delorean if is the key word

[@Trades46]

Jimmy M You can, but a Prius might hit 88mph before you can. Or you can specify the Factory Stage 2 option (130hp->197hp).

[@rick6582CNCMedicalParts]

@@Trades46 GNX Grand National buick ....is the car...of 80s...

[@zachhaywood1564]

Saabkyle04, thank you SO SO SO MUCH for making this video. The DeLorean is my favorite car of all time, and you showed me alot of things about it I never knew before, thanks again!

[@blazerodmc4108]

Delorean? YAY! Let's go back to the future! :D

[@battlefennec]

This is a great car. People complaining it's a 'shit' car just because it goes slow. So? Name me a car you can LEGALLY drive past 70 mph on any road in the US. :P It's meant to be a sporty-felt car in the sense of style and simplicity, and affordability. Delorean made it such.

[@hannibalburgers477]

Nobody calls it a slow car, it can go lightspeed ffs

[@abageekedup]

Aviation Gaming how ?

[@SimplyJohnC]

Hellcat challenger 😉

[@planej6315]

@@SimplyJohnC He said "legally" *laughs in German*

[@retro9173]

In Utah, the speed limit on the I-15 freeway is 85 mph, go figure .. lol

[@DudeBearCow]

This car is so awesome. I love that it has a flux capacitor in it, that really adds to the appeal.

[@flylemon4151]

i love how it just angrily beeps at you for a solid 5 minutes

[@raflamar4146]

Seeing a “normal” Delorean is just weird

[@tmc.sc300]

still very pretty

[@raflamar4146]

Definitely, but still odd seeing it without a Nuclear Reactor strapped to the back

[@tmc.sc300]

@@raflamar4146 yeah lol

[@raudello3666]

It looks a lot cooler with all the time travel equipment

[@dustingoins3428]

I think it looks better normal. I’ve got my eye on an 1982 delorean and Ill have it soon.

[@cssplayer91]

I'm Puerto Rican living in the USA and to hear the delorean was first thought to be produced in Puerto Rico got me super hella proud, love the DeLorean!

[@captainskullzz8r434]

Great Scott! The Future Is Now!

[@kanehi]

Thank you for the review of this classic car. Back then I was debating between this and the Lotus Esprit but unfortunately the price was a bit steep for both of them. Making around $6.00/hr while I was working, a $24,000 vehicle was out of my price range. The gas was also cheaper back in the late 70's/early 80's.

[@GoatYouhhudawg]

I want this to be my first car.

[@Rumblefan]

Good luck. My first car was a 98 Civic i got for free

[@mihirkarnick]

YOU GOT IT FOR FREE!!WOW YOU MUST ONE LUCK GUY TO GET CARS FOR FREE!!CHEERS!!I HOPE YOU STILL ENJOY IT!!

[@Rumblefan]

+Mihir Karnick only has 92k miles on it with nothing wrong and passes inspection. Not bad for a free car at all.

[@GoatYouhhudawg]

Jared Rogers Holly shit you're lucky.

[@GoatYouhhudawg]

Jared Rogers Nice. How much do they cost and where do you get them? And when are the "new" ones coming out? I heard it was sometime in late 2016 or early 2017. I'd also like to know where you can buy them and for how much.

[@miggycarreon5514]

When it was first released people weren't ready for it, but their kids were gonna love it

[@chrispompano]

The absolute best comment of "ALL TIME"!!!!!!!

[@londonwatson7342]

God I just love the way 80s v6s sound. Sometimes I miss when my Buick had a muffle because the way the engine sounded without an exhaust note was absolutely amazing

[@SPG25]

Thank you for the detailed indepth view! I've wanted one of these cars since I was 7, it's taken me 24 years but I now have the means to get one. Never having seen one in person it was hard to judge how the interior was with the controls and engine. Seriously thank you so much!

[@MattMaranMotoring]

Very nice video Kyle! I learned a lot so thank you! Always thought the DeLoreans were cool!

[@saabkyle04]

Glad to hear it man, thanks for watching!! :)

[@koioo2]

***** at the american car day there club of the lorean tobad john is gone and so the car.

[@woodrow6842]

I really would like a Delorean

[@pleasemaybe6666]

@@saabkyle04 hi

[@SciroccoThePunisher]

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

[@automan224]

This tour reminded me that the Delorean was an 80s car In other words, while the exterior is timeless the Interior, the headlights, and that door ajar buzzing come straight from the 1980s

[@bolekklonowski8214]

A i m problem

[@Lincolntowncoupe]

what happens when it hits 88mph? I'm so sorry I had to

[@PizzzaBoy]

you're gonna see some serious shit...

[@scrollandkey]

impossible, it's top speed is 85mph

[@PizzzaBoy]

I'm guessing you've never seen back to the future...

[@Lincolntowncoupe]

Kevin Buckley um....Obviously i have. Which part of what i said was inaccurate?

[@Lincolntowncoupe]

scrollandkey ha unfortunately that's pretty true

[@ainsleybrown2762]

I work at a local petrol station and saw a customer with one these bad boys. Was one the most historical moments in my life.

[@tc16169]

Happy Back to the Future day!! And I would love to own one of these someday- such an awesome car!

[@randomrazr]

Test drive back to 1982? :D

[@williamscott9528]

*1981

[@KrazyTV2.0]

1985

[@MrAntGandalf]

This Car Appears To Back To The Future 1-3 Movies

[@dailyblankscreen7938]

You don’t say

[@Willyliemfams]

Interior looks super comfy

[@ChrisMolyneaux93]

Happy Back to the Future Day!

[@redskullhacking6506]

OMFG!!! I almost died when I saw the flux capacitor lol.

[@gameboyadvance45]

back to the future

[@MelancoliaI]

don't care what anyone says, these cars were awesome. dogs, yes, but nothing an engine swap can't cure.

[@JoshBrinson]

At 18:28, the dummy switches were actually provisions for what was going to be optional heated seats. They never appeared and as a result, the blanks were used instead of re-molding a new panel with deletes.

[@JoaquinMFelicianoOfficial]

Delorean will always be my favorite classic automobile since it was shown from the blockbuster movie of my favorites was back to the future trilogy (1 , 2 , & 3) by marty mcfly and doc emmett brown from traveling through time for taking you to the past present and future by using the Delorean Time Machine.

[@stolmich]

Speed it up to 88 mph or 140 kph, and see what happens.

[@SteelmanArgument]

+Michael Stolz Well then you're gonna see some serious shit!

[@kisterdrums]

Lol

[@nagybalazs854]

+Saitham Yeah because if you can speed up the stock one to 88 mph then you're sure to see some serious shit :D :D

[@ruiangli8859]

+Michael Stolz Only if you can.

[@tinajanovich]

When this baby speeds up to 88 mile per hour, your gonna see some serious shit

[@bitznpizez]

The open door alarm sounds like a bagpipe :). No Wonder, it was made in Irland :). Tnx Kyle for uploading great informative videos. Keep it coming :)

[@토마토-e1o1k]

Hi🖐🖐🖐

[@overwatch_9461]

The bagpipe is a Scottish thing

[@aidansweeney9667]

"Once this thing gets to 88 mph, you're going to see some serious poop! Meanwhile the speedometer only goes up to 85mph.

[@CeilingFans4UrLife]

+Aidan Sweeney The one in the film had a speedometer which went all the way to 95MPH while stage II ones included a speedometer which went all the way to 140MPH

[@Joseph-bb8dl]

Serious poop

[@didilypiged6232]

And there is a more powerful model that went up to 140 on the speedometer.

[@idsfxtm5759]

I only know KM instead MPH

[@routeman680]

This is a really stylish car, especially the front and rear. It's a great design that always looks modern and would translate well to a larger vehicle in the 21st century. I'd love to have one.

[@tomjoad4168]

That was an awesome video and probably the most in depth review of Delorean I've ever seen. Great video!

[@newdefsys]

Along with the flux capacitor, no DeLorean is complete without a suitcase full of hundred dollar bills, for the cocaine purchase that you're about to make :)

[@destinationunknown8373]

If that's what you do with your DeLorean, then go right ahead. But as for me, fuck dat shit.

[@pekonomials5246]

Destination Unknown i think that’s what DeLorean did, he sold Coke (Cocaine) because he got desperate that the DeLorean was a Fail

[@baconsoap78]

You just opened the Flux Capacitor without shielding your eyes! Are you OK?!?

[@llalic2450]

He's ok bruh

[@Mad9977]

i felt like travelling back in time ;-) awesome legendary car and interesting infos =)

[@BillHawkins0318]

This is the best video I have watched as far as showing the Delorean's interior and useful features.. Most other's are related to bashing the design of the engine and how to mod it. John Delorean did not get to build the car the way he wanted. Renault found John; not the other way around. They were just the only ones around that could give him his supply chain in a hurry. Had the Economy not tanked I think later Deloreans would have seen big Engine and drivetrain Changes. John had a vision for his car the he never got to realize. As far as Usefulness; Renault did a good enough job in as little time as they were given. With more "R&D" , Time, and better World Economy. These Cars would have been sold faster than they could be made. I wold love to have one. Thanks for making this Video.

[@TirtaLeonardi]

Delorean's big button and switches looks really satisfying

[@mrkzj2]

THIS CAR. FINALLY

[@nitebags]

i think it was a amazing concept, it was not reliable but a iconic car no less !

[@flexor212000]

If someone wants a Delorean without some fake "flux capicator" in the back I bet it's next to impossible to find one.

[@galaxytgw3924]

What if it was one with a real flux capacitor?

[@LegoWormNoah101]

Just remove it. Simple fix.

[@levertfairley4603]

I NEED THIS TO GO BACK TO THE 80S AND NEVER LEAVE

[@SithlordPlanespotter94]

DO NOT SET IT TO THE YEAR 2020

[@James-rn6lo]

The UK d,Lorean,s speed was about 135 mls per hour,it was the US cars that were governed down to 78 mph due to regulations for imports.There is a review of the uk car on KZbin,which is a very good watch.The owner drove the car from the North of England to the south then onto the Alps

[@colinhayes5012]

"You built a time machine out of a DeLorean?"

[@mustang10141980]

Great Scott!

[@darriusvincent3189]

"Doc, you're tellin' Me you made a time machine..... out of a Delorean"?

[@christianna3561]

Very well done and informative! I LOVE this car. What a timeless design! I hope to eventually own one. Thank you!

[@Howard007]

Has been my dream car since middle school

[@tantivymuckermaffikk]

Absolutely beautiful

[@nickgames3149]

1900:we will have flying cars in 2000 2019:this is all we have

[@NoseCandyKermit]

It happened more like this 1900: In 2000 we will have flying cars *2000* *a movie called gladiator where people stab eachother with swords* 2000: In 2020 we will have elictric cars!! THAT FLY!! *2020* *2020 close! They dont fly! And they can barley drive themselves* 2020: We have CoronaVirus and trump!

[@colejackson6396]

Thanks for this info. I am making a BeamNG.drive mod with this car, and all of this information helps a lot. I will mention you in the BeamNG forum post.Thanks

[@williamscott9528]

Cool! Can't wait!

[@ssunlimited9]

YES

[@brianlee7216]

Saw these things all over Bellevue, they never get old! :-)

[@PunkCoverMoose]

I’ve watched this vid soo many times. Love those thick black stripes on the sides.

[@mihirkarnick]

DOES IT COME WITH THE FLUX CAPACITOR AND 1.21 GIGAWATT ELECTRICAL NUCLEAR POWER PLANT AND ENERGY CONVERTER TO CONVERT THE 1.21 GIGAWATT OF ELECTRICITY TO ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE AND THEN RELEASE IT ALL AROUND THE CAR AT EXACTLY 88 MPH???

[@supertrinigamer]

Mihir Karnick Yes,

[@LunaBellaAngelina]

You can buy the BTTF upgrade you know, but they come with a price!

[@supertrinigamer]

oh

[@destinationunknown8373]

No.

[@T-Rex-nm1se]

WHAT THE HELL IS A GIGAWATT?! -marty

[@JoabeRuben]

damn the 80's space age look, is just so "hot"

[@CML_VISUAL_LABS_LTD]

Where the hell is cassette player ? Why did you guys take it out? That just kills the vintage vibes

[@lunoirxx]

Only hipsters use cassette in this age.

[@lunoirxx]

NitroPulse TV I love vinyl and cassettes, but in a car and on the go, I prefer my phone hooked up through auxiliary.

[@marioiacolucci]

Christian Lopez what gives?

[@coydog7902]

He should’ve put in a dual CD and Cassette player like the ones that old 850 series Volvo’s use

[@themodelcitizen988]

It probably stopped working, and it’s extremely hard and way too much of a pain in the butt to get another cassette player because....well they stopped working too.

[@dylanpipkins9460]

Absolutely beautiful machine. Great reviews by the way. I've watched about 35 of your car reviews by now! Subscribed.

[@PharaohMan007]

10:36 The fuel door wasn't removed "in favor" of a streamlined hood, but instead because the cutting and fitting of the stainless steel was more costly. Same with the grooves in the hood, those were expensive to produce because of damages during creation. Otherwise great summary of the DeLorean, thanks!

[@mbarizia]

I'm pretty sure Matt Farah from the smoking tire was here :)

[@RetroVintageItems27]

When was the last time you saw a mechanical odometer with a 0 in the ten-thousands place?

[@nsx001]

The V A P O R W A V E machine!!!

[@gailwest1799]

I was blessed to listen to the history of the car and the man who made his dream come true. John DeLorean is a champion and the car is a 100% or a 10. David James West 2-05-2019

[@garethdevlin5399]

The thing is the delorean car looks so cool doesn't matter how fast she is goes its cool he bodywork last forever I think if they had a the money this would have work

[@rawe945]

BACK TO THE FUTURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@retrorestore]

I do love these old cars, They hold their value too. I'm restoring an old 1980's Triumph on my channel, check it out. Nice vid.

[@xxbal1inxx]

id like to see a late 80s early 90 mustang lx or gt foxbody

[@AdmiralRustyShackleford]

Everyone talking about how heavy and slow it is, has never ridden in one. It has 120hp but it only weighs 2700lbs, so same specs as a Ford Fiesta. It's not quick or fast but it's not really slow, especially for early 80's standards. The 5spd version has adequate power, and besides, no one who owns one is out racing it, they just cruise it around.

[@gabrielalfredo5497]

Im Here Cuz This Car Is Beautiful

[@Nahiyan12]

This is heavy!

[@naizm9960]

Nahiyan Alamgir Why is everything so heavy in the future?

[@Nahiyan12]

Is there a problem with the earth's gravitational pull?

[@Nahiyan12]

Weight has nothing to do with it!

[@TrapWolfOriginal]

stainless steel makes it heavy..

[@aegiseurobeat4559]

Great Scott!

[@michaelmckeantheadventurer4961]

This car is seen from three back to the future movies

[@naurunappula1]

No shit, sherlock.

[@michaelmckeantheadventurer4961]

Tasu Sutinen​ what do you mean?

[@verttiseppala1236]

+Michael McCain He means that you are Captain Obvious. Everyone knows where this car is known from otherwise this video wouldn't probably even excist.

[@Ninjaboy8421]

and u had to point that out lol everyone knows that

[@tipoomaster]

That whining sound from the dash would drive me nuts. Did all of them do that?

[@Ramblin_DMC]

Yep! A lot of 80s cars bad that terrible buzzer. I unplugged it on my car.

[@ExtraGloves240]

+Ramblin_DMC I'd replace it with a chime from an oldsmobile. lol.

[@Ramblin_DMC]

+Josh Carpenter I'm planning on replacing it with something else. I've seen DeLoreans that had a Cadillac one. sounded nice

[@ExtraGloves240]

in what years was the chime made? I have a 2000 Focus (ZTS) and it has an annoying as hell chime.

[@Ramblin_DMC]

I really have no idea what other car manufacturers used that chime. All the DeLoreans have it though 1981-1983.

[@SRLStud]

rarely seen one in such great condition !

[@FrodeForhammer]

i am so in love with this car! i really wanna find one once i get a license :)

[@peely_]

80% of the comments are talking about “Back To The Future.” Lol

[@AdmiralRustyShackleford]

Because this car was a dud, not a big seller or following until the movie came out, and by then it was long gone.

[@georgeburns6748]

I own one of these in gta 5

[@ethanbaxter3105]

Same lol i luv the duluxo

[@georgeburns6748]

lol

[@TheAndrewlolz]

Behold, the Imponte Deluxo !

[@borinightmare]

"If my calculations are correct, When this baby hits 88mph, you're going to some serious s***"

[@B01G3n1us]

Your intro for this video should've been "Hey guys how's it going? Today, WE WILL BE GOING BACK TO THE FUTURE!!!!!!"

[@4lphawolf2o2o]

sounds better than a bugati

[@mrcesarm1031]

Fuck yeah

[@Averoxis]

Of there were dislikes on comments you don't know how many people wouldn't get the joke.

[@mitchellk1675]

Aver oxis inner those dislikes won't keep me from kicking there ass

[@natebrock7352]

Bugatti

[@DatFinnishGuy]

Bugatti**

[@Kalate0707]

Tesla model X: so is this my family in the past?

[@s13zenki]

Guys they are making 300 new deloreans!!!

[@lombaxjcd]

Mctwistyflop These guys? how much?

[@ernestodelmoral737]

lombaxjcd 100k a pop

[@destrawd4658]

They planned 20k of them i think, and for what ever reason they haven't made any.

[@lightupskechers488]

PanSnickers i woukd not even buy one even if they are 1000$

[@dakotabever3772]

I would for 5thousand

[@eyemright]

Thank you for such a detailed and enjoyable tour!

[@74jailbreaker]

If I had the money I would buy one. They're not the greatest cars but it is certainly iconic and has such a cool vibe to it that seems to be a snapshot of those times in the 80's.