1995 Visa Challenge - Women - Full Broadcast

[@mht4908]

I miss when Kathy Johnson and Bart Conner used to commentate, they're more positive and aren't afraid to acknowledge whenever non-US gymnasts were underscored

[@_JoyceArt]

I love how the commentators are clearly saying that they felt that the Chinese gymnasts were underscored. Really appreciate the unbiased commentary.

[@trumpgoogledmyyahoo7621]

Yes, that score was an abomination and I'm glad that Kathy acknowledged that. When I saw the 9.5 this was me 😨

[@Janellabelle]

That one armed giant the first Chinese gymnast did is banned now. The commentators were saying the judges wouldn't give her good points for it because they are trying to discourage it. The judges might be mad at them for doing it anyway. Until it's banned tho they should have to give them points for it ya know.

[@tonywilson8645]

@@trumpgoogledmyyahoo7621 it was because they didn't give her credit for the Gaylord, so that caused her to only have a 9.8 start value. Which was stupid but I guess that was another of those dangerous moves they wanted to discourage so that is why the head judge used an excuse (lack of swing) as a potential .2 deduction or more to not give the start value even though it is clear by a 9.5 out of a 9.8 the actual judges did not take .2 for lack of swing although they might have taken something.

[@HotMessMemories1]

@Joy ce maybe they got a deduction for each lie they told about their age.

[@richardross4677]

I agree it is nice to hear American commentator talk about non Americans being underscored and were 100% correct on the Chinese at this competition. However Bart and Kathy are noted for being biased in favor of Chinese gymnasts in general, so I wouldn't say they are unbiased by nature either.

[@sarahmcclure4060]

I loved Katie Teft's FX. I feel like she's a really underrated gymnast from this time.

[@kaylajones4356]

I loved Bogi's introduction where she comes and winks and says "Hey Im Svetlana Boginskaya" Which basically translates into "Hey Im gonna come and be beautiful and kick all yo asses""

[@evoandy]

I always thought of Boginskaya as extremely tall when I was little but I met her in my 20s and she was TINY!

[@nmelgar74]

She’s 5’4””. That’s not so tiny lol. Especially in this sport. Average woman is 5’6””

[@Emmehxx]

42:42 I have even more respect for Bart Connor now.. thank you for pronouncing it "Silver Spring" unlike everyone else who calls it "Silver Springs"!

[@rjh4736]

Funny to see John Geddert here in 1995 - little did he know that just about 3 months after this comp Jordyn Wieber would be born and become his most famous gymnast 16 years later...

[@EllieMim]

rjh4736 he’s a narcissistic prick

[@SSolanaHarrison]

anyone catch Dominique Moceanu’s father declaring he wanted his first daughter to be a famous gymnast? He had a daughter who was born without legs, and gave her up for adoption, never telling Dominique. Google Jen Bricker, she grew up watching Dominique on tv and wished she was like her, becoming an athlete and an aerialist and gymnast. The sisters were reunited as adults.

[@saragrant9749]

Yep. It’s exactly why Dominique got herself emancipated and hasn’t spoken to her parents since. I don’t believe her children have ever met her folks- and wouldn’t blame her if that were the case. Her dad deserves a special place in hell.

[@EllieMim]

On a lighter note I absolutely love Kathy and Bart’s commentary

[@heatherjay843]

Me too. They are supportive and knowledgeable!

[@jcneverquits]

Despite judges giving out 10s like candy bars these days, this has to be some of the worst scoring I've ever seen!

[@matthewxcountry]

Wow Meng Fei was ripped off. At least 4 or 5 tenths underscored across the 3 events they showed. Bars was just stupid, 9.5 for that spectacular routine. She deserved the win. Best bar routine, beam routine and floor routine in the comp.

[@mchur001]

Meng Fei didn't have 10.0 start values in order to pull out the win. The 1993-1996 era was notorious for gymnasts not to have a 10.0 start value, especially when it came to the event finals when they needed an extra D element.

[@sandylenzo5525]

I agree she was definitely underscored on bars. I would have had either winning or 2nd to Dawes there. However her beam score was fair, her routine was very good but dismount was pretty bad. I think Moceanu was more overscored so she should have beaten her, but Dawes and Boginskaya deserved to score higher. Floor 2nd to Moceanu was about right, Moceanu was overscored as her dance was cheesy but she had much stronger tumbling. Overall hard to say, Meng Fei was clearly stronger than Moceanu on bars, but much weaker on vault so I think Moceanu probably still wins.

[@Janellabelle]

Seriously show my one comp where the Chinese aren't underscored.

[@cullerjones]

@@Janellabelle In Beijing 2008 they were in fact quite overscored.

[@seer1623]

Moceanu’s floor choreography - there’s a warrant out for Poszar’s arrest...

[@butrflie7]

I forgot Meng Fei did a Gaylord release! So difficult.

[@trumpgoogledmyyahoo7621]

There were a few Chinese women doing that skill, it was amazing. They were and still are (in my opinion) the best at UB.

[@williamt594]

@@trumpgoogledmyyahoo7621 I only know of Bi Wenjing, Meng Fei and Mo Huilan, do you know of any others

[@bewitchers]

Liu Xuan's bars (whoops!)- 8:20 Dominique, on the rise- 13:00, 28:10 and 45:15 Bi Wenjing's beam (double whoops!)- 30:10 It's really good to be reminded how lovely Svetlana was on floor and beam- 32:10 and 37:00

[@almajurisic16]

I loved Teft's fx. So creative.

[@kristinp.8951]

I wish they still did competitions like this. Like USA vs Russia vs China

[@katyafan]

thank you for posting this!!

[@mchur001]

and now Katie Teft (Miacola) coaches the Eastern Michigan University gymnastics team.

[@jja8750]

Does anyone know why Meng Fei did not make the 1996 Olympics team? She was fantastic throughout 1995, and then again in 1997.

[@mchur001]

She was an alternate

[@TaurusWitch29]

Feeling in my head all the chalk and dryness gives me the chills, I can't take the sound of the chalk on the beam and I keep getting chills. It's happened all week as I've been binging, what the heck is happening with me lol

[@makaylalovesgymnastics]

omg I never seen this FULL MEET..... Poor Sang, Little Meng Fa,

[@Janellabelle]

That one armed giant is banned now. For women at least I don't know about the men. I think it's even banned for them tho. Bart talks about this around 34:40 ish and says the judges seem to be underscoring them to limit their creativity and it won't work. This must have been when they outright just banned everything they did. Lol

[@easytoslip]

i love that black and white leo(USA), one of my faves ever

[@mchur001]

I wish it were navy instead of black with red stripe in between the navy and the white.

[@koolaidman6251]

Wow, Bogi's English was really good back then! I assumed she learned English later, like in her 20s!

[@robertachierici]

Guardo la Boginskaia e mi viene in mente la Ponor: stessa classe.

[@EdGringo78]

Meng Fei was always so underrated. She’s a MUCH better gymnast than stupid Yang Bo EVER was. She was always consistent over her career, and she never got much attention. Well, Meng Fei, you have a fan right here!!

[@cullerjones]

Yang Bo was famous strictly for her beam work which was sublime. Nobody ever claimed she was a top all around gymnast. Yes Meng Fei is a better all around gymnast, but that isn't what Yang Bo was famous for.

[@sariakokiri3734]

Are dominique moceanu's parents romanian? Moceanu kind of sounds like a romanian name.

[@kaylajones4356]

Yes Dominique Moceanu's parents are Romanian.

[@susanmebrigham2104]

Yes Dominique Moceanu's parents are from Romania.

[@sariakokiri3734]

... katie teft's hair is RIDICULOUS.

[@EdGringo78]

Yes!! Moceanu’s too!!

[@makaylalovesgymnastics]

Is Katie Taft coach the same as Jordyn Weibers?

[@EllieMim]

Makayla Love Gymnastics yep hopefully he’s not allowed to ruin anymore women’s lives

[@HotMessMemories1]

Elizah Mimnaugh can you explain your a allegations?

[@hillarywashington9652]

HotMessMemories1 Larry Nassar was his gyms team doctor

[@lvega5606]

@@HotMessMemories1 Welp. Those allegations turned out to be right, and he killed himself rather than go to prison.

[@nikkirebecca7125]

Sang Lan is adorable

[@victoriaparkinson1365]

Very sad though. She had a vaulting accident in 1998 whilst warming up and ended up paralysed from the neck down. She managed to eventually sue the Chinese federation for lack of care and quality. She also later on managed to have a baby.

[@longbranch11207]

Kelly Davis and Dominique Dawes looks a lot alike

[@longbranch11207]

what happen to Katie

[@SchlichteToven]

I hate when those grownup males slap tiny female gymnasts' half-exposed butts in "congratulations," like that creepy man did at the end of Dominique Moceanu's floor routine (not Bela Karolyi - not sure who the dude is).

[@Cmc995]

SchlichteToven lighten up. Not meant to be perverted why make it. These are like family to each other

[@EllieMim]

Yeah the prevalent sexual abuse “thing” might negate any defense

[@rio-mh6eo]

This man is John Geddert who was the coach of Jordyn Weiber and close friend of Larry Nassar. This is a disgusting man who is forbidden to coach since the Nassar scandal. Maybe, he is in jail now or he is waiting the judges sentence.

[@koolaidman6251]

What Nassar did was abuse, but the butt pat is not sexual unless the hand lingers. A quick pat is something that people did back then to both genders to wish them well (yes, you will see men do this to men too)

[@zenfan1098]

@@Cmc995 I hope you know by now it was John Gedderts like someone else said here. He killed himself 🤣😂🤣😂🤣, he was a very disgusting dude. I hate it when anyone slaps my ass, I'd punch em in the balls 🤣

[@JustynneDeathWho]

Right I'll drop down to Two Bars 🍸 and mikif you curse again I'll get the soap out again boldie 😅

[@trumpgoogledmyyahoo7621]

I'm confused now lol. Did Dominique Moceanu pronounce her last name like "mo-SEE-ah-noo"? I listened twice and it sounds like she's definitely saying it like that. I've always thought it was "Mo-CHEE-ah-noo". I even googled it and everything I saw said its pronounced that way. Has everyone been pronouncing it wrong this whole time? Maybe I'm just hearing her wrong, she said it pretty quick and was quiet.

[@crystaldoherty8791]

TrumpGoogled MyYahoo in her book she mentions a time when she introduced herself incorrectly, like giving the more “Americanised” (?) version of her name and was immediately like OMG why did I do that. Maybe this was the incident she was referring to

[@tianajoiner7852]

TrumpGoogled MyYahoo In her book, she explains how she would have anxiety over saying her last name in public when she was younger because it was hard for people to pronounce. When they filmed this intro clip, she was rehearsing in her head how she wanted to say it, and it came out as you heard here. But the correct way is M-oh-chee-ah-noo.

[@jackiefarris1989]

You heard right. I remember hearing something from her about it, it may have been in her book. I can’t remember the whole story but she admits she pronounced it wrong on purpose. I wish I could remember why!!!

[@nmelgar74]

It wasn’t pronounced wrong on purpose. She got really nervous and it came out wrong. She said she was embarrassed afterwards. I think it’s cute she messed up her own name out of nerves

[@surlywithfabshoes]

Really? A different number showing? .75? What a dumb rule. For paperwork??? What a joke. Unless the gymnast has an execution flaw, no points should be taken.

[@angelshark8305]

Wow

[@dahighbar]

Kelly Davis has to be the weakest international gymnast I’ve seen

[@sacconetards9362]

Why do some of them wear little shoe things on beam???

[@easytoslip]

+Sacconetards My feet used to get sweaty and slippery on beam, as well as during the mandatory full turn, I'd catch pinky toes sometimes on the beam edge. Started wearing beam shoes and it was better.

[@marbellacovarrubias6206]

Min. 04:13 What a horrible hair!

[@veritas33]

Ahí sale Sang Lan 😢