1st flatwater paddle with APF1350 (& testing 3 different stabs)

[@rocketmarket684]

Super helpful Jeremy, got my 1350 a month ago and love it! I have all those tails as well and thanks for confirming what I was feeling. 202 tail for pumping is definitely the winner although it still feels like 10 years away for success in the flatwater paddle up, but you're right, incredible work out and very valuable time spent, not just a party trick. I also love the 1350/220 for riding swell (in the gorge) with a wing, instant 50% improvement in my ability in that discipline.Thanks Jeremy another really helpful video!

[@OCEANBOUND1]

awesome bud! I'm def into the 202 now, but I needed to use the 220 for a while to get to the point where the 202 got unlocked. lol. but def good once you are up and pumping. I think they developed it for dock starting and the apf so maybe it's more for flatwater party tricks but it's def nice and easy when practicing the leg pumping!

[@stucooper4132]

Great video, just starting on my paddle up journey. Havent got a 1675 just yet, will have to start off with my MA1750 in learning to paddle. I'll put the APF1350 on my christmas wishlist😊 Kia Ora from New Zealand 😊

[@OCEANBOUND1]

sup bud! and thanks! the 1675 was a great start for me. my friend is a little bigger and got the 1880 and that worked well for him, but def go 1675 unless you are a big dude. the 1350 could prolly be your first but will def be a little harder. LMK when you get that 1675 and start the paddle process! it's exciting and frustrating like winging! lol. thanks and I wish you an awesome weekend!

[@mh3530]

Nice pumping achievement! I’ve tested the 202 and the 220 for pumping with the 1675 and chose the glide tail eventually. Try to do 2-3 quick pumps and then let it glide in order to stay aerobic

[@OCEANBOUND1]

I def need to let go and let the glide do it's thing. I think from using not-so-great pumpers in the last few years it's burned in my head that my stuff just wont glide. great reminder, thanks bud! I wish you an awesome weekend!

[@christomo]

Coming on nicely my man it's funny how you think you start to understand how foils work then I always seem to find a whole new rabbit hole to go down. Always learning. Great informative film thanks buddy 👍. Have a good week

[@OCEANBOUND1]

thanks Chris! and the rabbit hole keeps going!!! I love it. this one is so similar to back when we started winging, but a little more patience was required, at least for me. good times, lol. I wish you and your crew and amazing weekend bud! I hope y'all are getting some wind!

[@FluidFoil]

Dude, awesome job on the paddle ups and pumping progression. It's really relevant to me right now, I've got flat water out my window and have made the initial steps but having never been a SUP guy I've got a long ways to go yet. Super interesting hearing your opinions on the tails, I've got the 180 and 220 and have been wondering if there is a better choice. I'm currently failing with the 1675 and 220 but I know it's not the foil/stab, I can barely stand on my 100L. I just need to put in the time. The 1350 is awesome in light wind, definitely a lot quicker than the 1675 but still gets up and going in almost nothing. I've been having a ton of fun sailing it, can't wait to see what you do with it and how it works for you. Thanks for the inspiration!

[@OCEANBOUND1]

sup bud! good to hear you are moving in this direction! it's a trip, and I'm starting to really get addicted to the physical challenge of it all. so if anything, the one thing I hope to impart on people new to this is that it takes time and lots of effort, progress is slow and can be frustrating but just look for the little wins everywhere. you need to build stamina, power, speed and technique... it all takes time and won't come over night. you are lucky you have flatwater so close to home! every 20 min paddle sesh is worth it. as far as the stab goes, I think you are good with the 220! I did start to see a difference when I started using that, right as I was starting to get up on foil. the 202 seems to be better for me NOW that I'm up and pumping, but it frustrated me a ways back. I paddled the 180 again yesterday and I def prefer the 220 or 202 over that on the flat water, but mostly cause the pumping is just a little faster on the 180 and it's nice to have a slightly slower cadence. as long as you have it, I'd stick to the 1675 until you start to lift, and the 1350 just needs and extra paddle or two more. I haven't winged the 1350 yet, I almost did yesterday. I will soon, I'm interested to see how fast I can get it to go. keep me in the loop on your progress! I wish you an awesome weekend!

[@trevorcarlson8725]

Does the 202 lift earlier at lower speed? Do you think it would a good beginner tail for my wife who is working to get her first on-foil flights with a hand-wing on my DW board?

[@pheelers1831]

I also have a couple curved foils which come up easy but have little feedback from pumping vs my flatter ones.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

Yeah all the new HAs have a little bit of it and it def helps for pumping. Luckily that means you can do smaller sizes so they are more fun to turn. What do you ride? Axis?

[@pheelers1831]

@OCEANBOUND1 I use North foils. Not on the newest generation, but I think they are great. Good value.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

@@pheelers1831 right on! doesn't matter what you ride as long as you like it!! I wish you an awesome day!

[@cabotzucker6953]

Curious how much you weigh. I’m 88kg. Just got the 1180 with the hope of downwinding with it. Now I’m not so sure watching your video and reading comments on here and Facebook.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

sup bud! I weigh about 77kg. my plan is to dw on it, I still have limited actual dw experience but everything I'm doing on the flat now is to prepare for more of that. the pump on it is more intuitive to me. with teh right bumps you shouldn't have an issue. I've SUP'd it a handful of times and I love it, super easy to get on foil in small waves with the dw board. you are heavier, but I think it could work. but I do plan on using the 1350 more in the near future as a sort of training wheels.

[@fenua9872]

hello i just want to say something are gonna be sell the apf 1350 ? If you selling can i buy them?

[@OCEANBOUND1]

sorry bud the 1350 is here for a while. I just sold the 1675 so it's my biggest wing.

[@aurelienschwartz5069]

Hey Jeremy! Are you using the red shim with the pump 202? And where in the tracks are you setting your mast for flat water paddle ups? Thanks!!

[@OCEANBOUND1]

woot woot! :P

[@rocketmarket684]

@@OCEANBOUND1 hey Jeremy did I miss the reply to this?

[@OCEANBOUND1]

@@rocketmarket684 yeah it was a double post, I responded in the other one as such: sup bud! I'm using a read and blue shim for all my stabs. every time I dial it back I get annoyed with the drag. I'm putting my new HAs and the APFs at 10 in the mast track. the HS and the MA I would put at 8, so it's a little more forward. that's what's worked for me, I've done a ton of micro adjustments from sesh to sesh and still come back to 10 with a happy face. hope this helps! I wish you an awesome day!!

[@rocketmarket684]

@@OCEANBOUND1 wow, furthest I've pushed it is to 6, you're a maniac!

[@michaelrichter7734]

Do hard things - The Wizard and Simeon on the same wavelength

[@OCEANBOUND1]

LOVE this. seems like the mantra of my life, whether I've chosen it or not. but I dig. loving the challenge, both physical and mental. thanks and I wish you an awesome day!!

[@ericfernand]

I wonder how the new HA 1180 would compare? I debate between it and the 1350 for super light downwinding

[@OCEANBOUND1]

so I've used the 1180 maybe 10 times surfing and winging, and I've tried three times to paddle it up - twice on the flat and once on a cray day in bumps that were not steep enough. my technique is getting better, and I'm looking forward to the day I can paddle that up and make it work. I've been saying "I can't wait to get rid of the 1675" so I've been trying hard to dial everything in on that in hopes that I can soon unlock the 1180. then the 1350 comes in, it sits right in the middle, where I just happen to be progression-wise. so once up, the 1180 is great. good pumper, good glide, and decent turning for it's size. the 1350 is a great pumper and glider, turning is the sacrifice. so if you are using a wing, I'd say 1180. but if paddling, and still kinda new to that, the 1350 is great. I hope that helps. LMK what you end up getting!

[@ericfernand]

@@OCEANBOUND1 Cool thanks for the details. Still leaning 1180 I think. I'm only 68kg (so it should be a little easier for me than it would be for you), and my technique is half decent (I can downwind the cabrinha 1050 but just barely (I eventually make a mistake and never connect more than 2-3 minutes at a time)) Just looking for something that has better lowend than that cabrinha 1050... just hard to say if its enough for me to flatwater start. I totally agree with you that regardless that if its a party trick or not, its still great training for the legs and to dial in pump technique, so flatwater startability is a must for me.

[@OCEANBOUND1]

@@ericfernand yeah I certainly aspire to paddle it up… I will some day!! Getting close, been a month since I tried. If you get the 1180 you will use it. You can always add the 1350 after if you are frustrated. LMK what you get and what you think!!

[@sk-hd4ys]

Did you try to winging with this APF?

[@OCEANBOUND1]

no not yet. I was going to yesterday but decided to use the 880 instead. I'm going to do some speed tests with it in the next week or so, maybe that'll be my next video. the 1675 was annoying for me so I'm hoping this one feels better to wing with! thanks bud, I wish you an awesome weekend!