$2,000 OP-1 or $10 app?

[@andrewhuang]

What do you think? Flip on Android play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flipsampler.flip Flip on iOS apps.apple.com/us/app/flip-sampler/id1486629619 OP-1 Field bit.ly/3OaaDOg

[@jacobpeterson360]

FLIP FOR AMAZON FIRE TABLETS PLZ

[@dandyfernandy4457]

I've had Flip for a couple of weeks and I'm really liking it! Something I've found is that it's maybe not the most user-friendly when it comes to trying to drag midi notes. I also haven't quite yet found a way to quantize the notes so they line up to the nearest 8th or 16th note. But I am loving it for the price :)

[@perkyhugeen]

What about Windows and MacOS ?

[@hcps2576]

Thank you for more flip sampler content! As a user I benefit from seeing you use it - monkey see monkey do lol

[@wpshadow]

I tested Flip for the first time. Until now I had basically drum samplers and simple synths on my Android, most times the usability was really bad. After an hour of testing I can say that the workflow is not bad. The idea with the patterns reminds me a little bit of a very old version of fruity loops but I like that also. It's useful and fast. The piano roll and the sequencer is a bit fiddly but once you understand the idea and the handling behind it, it is also good to use. All in all, really good work! And the price is great.

[@George_vv]

Solution: Attach a $1200 USD phone to the back of the OP-1 on a hinge to create the ultimate $4210 portable sampling workstation.

[@vandenhengel978]

You just nailed sarcasm.

[@Taeodoestech]

The OP-Z actually does that with the iPhone though

[@GodfreyShourav]

Better carry my desktop...

[@bFOURdwZEROlf]

Solution.... Get a single board Cyberdeck with keyboard and track pad (or wireless mouse) :D

[@gapster77]

😂

[@multi.instrumentalist]

It’s interesting that flip feels like it was built with the same philosophy as Ableton, but the OP-1 was built from the Protools philosophy. Ableton started off as a live looping tool for djs and electronic music performers, whereas protools has areas that are only designed the way they are because that’s how tape used to be.

[@vgaportauthority9932]

Never thought of Pro Tools like that, but that makes so much sense.

[@masoneismonstudios3016]

As an engineer I appreciate the honest comparison VS like just talking up the product you own. Its refreshing to see. Def gonna pic up this app next paycheck

[@UNSLVBL]

Andrew, you should totally make a 4 artist challenge using your app.

[@halfbee7886]

I second this ❤

[@mniesen9417]

I third this

[@txbrown_]

I fourth this. Ok done lol

[@schrodingersnutsack]

YES PLEASE

[@schrodingersnutsack]

4 PRODUCERS VS FLIP

[@davidpwolfe]

Thanks for bringing it to android! Just picked it up. Can't wait to make some weird stuff!

[@Zeratoxx_]

Same here :D

[@paudiaz4660]

Hey are you able to import audio from the internal storage? When I tap the import button it doesn't open the file manager app.

[@SamToulouse]

@@paudiaz4660 no, the "Import" function looks for files in a specific location so you need to use some other file manager to move your samples there. To me, this is a deal breaker, but hopefully this gets addressed soon.

[@laclochard]

I arrived at the right moment. I was sad reading in a year ago video that it wasn't available for Android 😄

[@shayes.x]

Haven't even watched the video yet, just went straight to buy it. Been waiting a long time for this! Kudos to the developers you're working with, supporting both iOS and Android is by no means an easy task.

[@mrcwalker33]

I love Flip especially when I’m on trips and wanna travel light but still make serious music ideas

[@saxongroove5898]

The most poilte dismantling of an opposing product I've ever seen. What you're providing for $10 is truly outstanding. Thank you!

[@lolilollolilol7773]

Where is Behringer when we need him ? If he can make a direct competitor to the OP-1 (dear Uli, I said *competitor*, not copy), he is very welcome to.

[@lolilollolilol7773]

One product that could be done is a portable keyboard/controller with a place to dock the smartphone. Then Flip could be adapted to work with the controller, and you have the best of both worlds. Behringer has done that with one of their digital mixers and that was a great idea.

[@antonfeirer]

1:30 into the video and it's installed! I waited for this so long and my patience was rewarded. Huge props to you, this app is pure creativity sauce!

[@Nuke_Skywalker]

same here.

[@bumsybear]

Yo! Glad to see it's on Android now. I wasn't even mad and actually was really appreciative of your video explaining way back when why it was only iOS at the time. Actually put a lot of things into context with other app availability and such too. Excited to try it!

[@neek01]

To be honest i’m more surprised it was released on IOS first. I own both android (pretty old one but it still works) and an iphone but iphone is a lot more limited when it comes to certain things

[@jonoc5]

@@neek01 oh yeah, just ignore all the obvious financial and technical reasons, it’s all about the “certain things”.

[@bumsybear]

@@neek01 It is! But if you get a chance to watch his earlier video (probably a year ago now or more) the high level explanation is that iPhone just has a limited number of models that makes it much easier to develop and test apps on. With Android, you have an ecosystem of hundreds of different devices to try and support making it much more difficult. (There's a lot more to it than that so I def recommend that video!)

[@alvareo92]

@@neek01 It is way easier to make iOS apps, both in the programming itself and in the compatibility and bug fixing. Also waywayway less people pirate it, and iOS has a lot less audio latency which is crucial for music making apps

[@JC20XX]

@@neek01 audio is not one of those things lol. But android is catching up as shown here.

[@mastermatt1958]

You should definitely do some tutorials for your App! I am a compleeeete beginner and was thinking about getting into Music with sampling in a fun way, your App is the perfect fit for that! But since I am a complete beginner, some good tutorials from yours truly would be amazing! Thanks and greetings from Munich, Germany✌🏻

[@mastermatt1958]

nevermiiind just saw you have tutorials🤦🏻‍♂️😂 I will definitely check them out :)

[@andrewhuang]

kzbin.info has several helpful videos :)

[@leokimvideo]

In Australia it's $2300, and set up in stores aimed at children to play with. So I can see where the marketing bend is going with that

[@peterelfman]

I love that you 100% went to bat for the OP1 but still flexed HARD with Flip. Great video, I'll definitely be getting the Android version of flip soon!

[@andrewhuang]

Cheers! Yah I love using both 🤷‍♀️ Music is fun 😊

[@AdabatOfficial]

@@andrewhuang true statement spoken (written? commented?) here

[@ezrarichardson279]

I’ve never seen someone really really try to sell the thing that there competing with almost more then there own product and somehow sell there own product better lol

[@myautobiographyafanfic1413]

Flip is way better on a tablet than a phone btw. Automation in flip gets the creative juices going. I love bringing in long samples and automating the start parameter.

[@andrewhuang]

One of my favorite tricks too!

[@kaitlyn__L]

MsMadLemon’s tracker music taught me the value of modulating the start point, it’s a very useful effect indeed!

[@Ghost-er7ve]

One think you could also take from the op-1: ''Animations make everything better". Basically just meaning that you should add a lot of cool animations to Flip.

[@ostelaymetaule]

Double that. The effect visualizers help to prozess what parameters are changing how way better then the knobs

[@jean-mauricenestler3761]

This

[@44gg37]

No. The screen space should be left for practical UI choices.

[@ryanphillips4123]

@@44gg37 yeah you make a good point. As a natural limitation of apps on modern phones, everything is on screen: both the buttons for input and all of the indications of output.

[@zelenyy4960]

@@44gg37 Must agree wit this. Every inch of screen real estate is too important. I'm fine with my ears telling me i'm changing something rather than some animation. Although, it isn't impossible to incorporate those animations in a far more meaningful way. Maybe start with a single effect that is completely animated and control that effect animation as you change parameters.

[@tiroys]

Yessss! 8 seconds into the video. Went to the description, clicked the link, bought, and now I'm back. Thank you!

[@purplelord8531]

thank you so much for bringing it to android so many teams decide not to (which is fine - it's the 'more bugs, less users' issue with more diverse platforms). Even if it's buggier, slower, whatever, I'm so grateful to have the option. Love your stuff!!!

[@jeremiahmiller7619]

Now on Android?! Sold!!!! I'm a metal guy primarily, but I've been doing a ton with VCV Rack because of your modular synth videos. I think Flip is gonna be what ropes me into sampling and beat-making. Thank you Andrew for being such an inspiration!

[@terryriley6410]

You should check out SunVox too if you are into the modular way. Not as powerful or versatile as the library of Rack modules but for running on a phone it is an absolute hidden gem. Having a sampler and tracker at its core is also insane for sample based breaks and what-not.

[@smhill818]

Flip is out on Android!!! I paused and bought it immediately. So grateful to the devs for the colossal effort it must have involved to support this ambitious app on such a variety of devices. This will make an excellent replacement (and more!) for my PO-32 that I recently broke. :')

[@beatchef]

You should try Koala sampler too

[@swampflux]

I've got the original OP-1 for the past year or so and I've so far made... zero tracks with it. On the flip side, made plenty more sound doodles with my phone for the simple fact that it fits in my pocket and is always on me. Looking forward to getting a newer iPhone, not a newer OP-1.

[@robertjamesonmusic]

I feel the opposite. OP-1F does it for me way better than other ios apps at the moment

[@CharleyHale]

I’ll take the OP1 from you! -Me and Musical Gods

[@vetchable]

okay, but youve just put an image in my mind of an OP-1 that was switch joycon compatible. just slot those bad bois into the sides, put it in my backpack, and,,, forget that its in there...

[@terryriley6410]

@@vetchable Don't they make LSDJ for the Switch? It's a missed opportunity for real. Guess the SteamDeck is best for the portable gaming+music combo.

[@TimShoebridge]

Your app looks amazing. You've taken the very best bits of a DAW and managed to shrink them into a smartphone app in a really logical and intuitive way. I love the interface, very clean 👍

[@whitesonar]

i dont see myself making music on my phone (sorry andrew), but this was the nail in the coffin for any casual "i think i want an op-1" daydreams.

[@GohamNobologna]

I love that your still doing videos on things you’ve done before

[@TheDaniman888]

The ONLY thing this app REALLY needs now is a sample looping feature! Imagine all the granular possibilities!!! Expanded bouncing capabilities would be fantastic.

[@DizzyMakavelli]

Agree, need some more features.

[@matthewmathis62]

Wait, so you can't use audio samples using the microphone or external audio files ? Because that is what I was planning on doing. I wanted to sample audio from my non-midi keyboard and loop that in the software, and modify it into a song. Maybe I should stick with a PC. 🖥

[@jaydeepalmer]

I second this post 😊

[@LiamFarleyMA]

​@@matthewmathis62 I'm guessing you can play samples as one shots but not like record a piano note, cut out the beginning and end and loop it into a pad sound if that makes sense

[@GabeWilliams]

I’d be interested to see a comparison between ableton note and flip!

[@oskarlstelling]

i have been waiting for this day! and i seriously thought about buying an iphone for music purposes. thank you for solving this for me and for all your work :)

[@caxtnova]

Seeing the thumbnail of this video, I was literally saying in my head, "Well, I would love the app, but here I am with an Android phone." Touché, Andrew.

[@CameronsMusic]

Andrew, you are a god. Can't believe you're actually 38!

[@pissgoat]

He looks both 18 and 28 but not 38 😭

[@cosmofuckingbrown]

He actually is wtf

[@jorgemarcos3771]

Ikr! Nice legs too 😊 Andrew's hot

[@johnfruktoshtat4424]

What!?!?

[@servvo]

holy damn

[@station2station544]

I love my OP-1 Field. It's got an intangible that makes it enjoyable to write music on. For me there's nothing worse than making music on phone apps. Judging the OP-1 Field by conventional metrics doesn't work. It's got a playful character and you create happy accidents all the time. People who come to my house pick it up and lose themselves. The Field might be more enjoyable at times than my full size studio of synths. It's like a pet synthesizer.

[@TheHalfishExperience]

Looks incredible and I'm definitely getting it, after all these years watching and enjoying your contet is more than fair. Just a final question that I haven't seen anywhere, is there any way to 'export' the proejct, tracks, midi files with automation / etc to a conventional DAW on your computer ? i.e. Logic Pro X ?

[@andrewhuang]

Can’t export midi files, but you can export lots of audio - Export button on the patterns page exports your song and you can choose just master or master + stems. Tape icon does a live recording (quantized to 1 bar) of whatever is happening in the app and gives you the master + stems

[@ichiro-ota]

This is the most scathing but fair criticism of $2,000 OP-1 I saw so far. Good job 🙂

[@darkunicorn6669]

I feel like this video is @ me because I've been complaining about no flip on android for so long. THANK YOU ANDREW

[@MrVleker]

We recently got the OP-1 Field at school and I finally get the hype. It's just fun to play with and I'd love to have one to mess around in public transport, but I just don't think it's worth the €2k. For that money I'd rather buy a couple of big boy synths. Glad to see flip is on Android now. Hadn't expected that. I'm not a big mobile DAW user but I'm glad to support you and give it a try!

[@Lokakalo]

So so excited this is finally on Android! Looks great, huge thanks for this endeavor!!

[@darwiniandude]

8:40 As I'm sure Andrew is aware, or maybe he forgot, if you Shift + Lift on OP-1 it lifts all four tracks, you can then drop (paste) them out multiple times. You don't have to do each track at a time. Gonna pickup Flip for iOS now though - hadn't come across that at all. Being midi sequencing based it's probably more like OP-Z than OP-1.

[@r0mbag-art]

I **love** flip, i'm glad there's an android version out so more people can experience it! Do you think you and the team will ever add some more playful/experimental modes like the OP1?

[@Juliano_DJOL]

I might have to try that app out! I've always been looking for a cool beat maker app, and I def support u and this channel!

[@Stonehawk]

I made sure to hit like and comment EXACTLY at the moment that you said "AND ANDROID" because I want to encourage more creativity apps on android :3

[@patrickhamilton-ferren1041]

$2000 gimmicky synth sampler or a $10 DAW lite! Thankyou andrew for your vision of music accessibility for everyone. Much love and keep doing you, its what we all love

[@carbonvibes]

Great job on this Andrew and congratulations on getting Flip on Android 🙌🏼

[@64_bit80]

making beats on Flip on my mom's iPhone (I have an android, lmao) got me into music production and now I'm rolling with ableton! thanks so much for making this app, definitely gonna buy it on android

[@ScottGlasgowMusic]

FLIP is great! I used in with a film score last year, just messing up samples I uploaded and made some noise. Good stuff!

[@alejandroacevedo9409]

I love flip so much its super inspiring and sounds fantastic. My wife is always telling me, stop recording your stomps and things but then i play her what i made and shes like wow

[@andrewgainey8210]

I've been waiting and waiting and it's finally here! Thank you! I'll be sure to buy it ASAP! :D 🎉🎉

[@aemythjensen]

Now a days, for the price of an OP-1 you can get a standalone Ableton Push 3.

[@jimmyliddell2072]

Would love to see more audio interface support for Flip, for those of us that want to use it in a more dedicated setup, rather than for on the go use

[@andrewhuang]

Is there an interface you’re trying to use that doesn’t work?

[@fardo6644]

I've used my focusrite 2i2 plenty of times with my Ipad, no flaws whatsoever

[@jimmyliddell2072]

I have an 18i8, and it samples mic input 1 as if it is just the left audio track, and I have found no way to adjust it.

[@jimmyliddell2072]

Not sure if there is a setting I haven’t been able to find

[@fardo6644]

@@jimmyliddell2072 I don't remember that happening before, I'll check if it occurs to mine as well

[@mrrogerstown2435]

You are so inspirational, the Flip app is really awesome.

[@jensenraylight8011]

for years, i refreshed the playstore countless time to see if there was a new android flip apps or not. now is the day

[@Supslowrobot]

So glad you brought this to android. As soon as you said "its on android!" I went straight to the app store and bought it.

[@MostafaDeknach]

I was checking your app few hours before lol. Much love to you from Lebanon

[@jason3898]

3:22 That is the most bad ass visual for effect parameters anyone will ever see.

[@meilstone2711]

Andrew, your app is great, so far I've been having lots of mobile fun with it...

[@seedmole]

I recently went deeper down the Pure Data rabbit hole than I ever have before, and yeah, I dunno if I'm ever spending another dollar on anything marketed as a sequencer. Made a multichannel midi sequencer with pattern chaining to replace my keystep pro when I needed more than 4 midi channels at once, then built a midi looper with unquantized/sample rate timing, and today I got them to sync up together (with the loop length matching some multiple of the length of one of the sequencer channels). Feels so much better to be able to tweak something until it behaves just as I want, instead of having to beg and hope that a firmware update somehow enables it (or more likely, just deal with not ever having that feature). And then you consider the price and it's just like.. of course I'd rather take the DIY approach. Cool to see that apps like Flip exist to make it even easier.. zero personal dev time with that, just get it for the super cheap price and get started.

[@henrylarson1]

Something I like about my OP-1 is that you can get around many of the storage issues by linking it to a computer. You can save projects there and fully remove them from the device. You can also add custom sounds people have uploaded online.

[@TheBromie]

I've been playing around with the app for the past hour, and honestly I've been having so much fun!

[@sateeb4925]

Really glad you made this video and flip, picked it up and was amazed at how simple it was to figure out and make some fun sampled beats using my voice and things around me. Maybe someday I’ll get the op-1, but for now flip is a great useful tool.

[@ratchet600]

There seems to be the odd growing pain from other reviews but there are already responses about fixes and patches in the works for those issues. I am excited to mess about with it and watch it become the best version of itself.

[@iamdavehawkins]

This is a super well done video to showcase your app Andrew! I just picked it up.

[@muddhopkins]

I was literally looking at the teenage engineering calculators yesterday and I found your app today, downloaded it for android and I'm happy so far. Keep up the good work!

[@okoiful]

I love the way figure added notes with those kind of arpegios..

[@findjonmoses]

For me, I don’t feel like there is anything new on the OP-1 Field that justifies such a price hike. It’s now stereo, has a new reverb, can send your music as it’s own radio station…jeez. Why not add many more effects, make it 8 track, add some more traditional effects and synths to compliment the quirky ones, add the ability to quantize the audio played in. I love my OP-1 original, it’s just sad that after a decade this is the best they could do for £700 more

[@mabillama]

Was waiting for this one! Thx for the Android release

[@JustSnowglow]

Instant purchase from me, just like I said in your original Flip video lol. THANK YOU ANDREW!

[@quadrupleheart]

Andrew, glad you made this! I wanted flip but couldn't get it on my google phone. I recently picked up an ipad and got flip on there and it's seriously so cool and good for my creative flow. I was wondering if I should try waiting for a sale but $10 isn't much and flip is clearly worth every dollar, but now I see I wouldn't have had to wait long lol. Glad it's on android now too :) When I first saw the OP-1 (probably from your videos) I thought it was the coolest thing and wanted one a lot, but it was so pricy that there was no way I could have justified it. When I started using flip it reminded me of the OP-1 and it struck me how they are so similar and yet flip is literally 1% of the price!

[@Frubyx]

I mean, the choice is pretty obvious for me: your app is sooo cool way cheaper! And i think it is more intuitive than an OP-1. Thanks for bringing it to Android!

[@andrewlewis3943]

Purchased! (Flip :) Thank you Andrew, you are a total inspiration!!

[@akaoeudoxia117]

I can't wait to try this out its really amazing thank you!

[@SparkliTwizzl]

YOOOOO i've been waiting for Flip to come to android, today is a good day

[@MrDudumassa]

The quality of the effects on OP1 is amazing

[@nintendokid94]

0:55 I use FL Studio Mobile to make music. You should totally check it out! I wanna see *your* review of the app!

[@ApacheSenzala]

So I bought your course for my wife and she loved it but I also bought your app for me just for fun… I have a toddler and one feature I would love is to be able to block the UI buttons on the sides so she can make beats but not leave the beat pad view… then not only would you have an amazing beat making app but an amazing child friendly sound machine

[@aidanmurray8283]

You’re video production is so clean Andrew! I’ll have to watch the rest of the video after work

[@nomorecontinues6564]

I had somehow missed the Flip app was a thing so thanks for bringing attention to the sale! I grabbed it last night and had fun on my lunch break today learning about the app and messing around. This is gonna be great!

[@TheRCish]

Just bought the app seconds ago as soon as learning it came out on android, I'm hyped as hell to try it out!

[@kleeo1991]

Great news Android is in the game! I was already thinking I need to buy an iPhone to get Flip. Kudos to you Andrew and to the dev team you are working with. Already bought it and wow! That pad response! I honestly expected much more latency

[@smellycoolbelly5015]

The ending is amazing.

[@DimaShishkov]

Instant buy. Thank you and the team working on this app so much.

[@Bittamin]

Flip seems like an amazing tool to use in conjunction with garage band if you have iOS. Then you can also take it to logic after putting that in your projects and switch from mobile to studio! 🙌

[@DizzyMakavelli]

What’s your workflow with GarageBand?

[@perkyhugeen]

I'd like to see a physical dedicated Flip controller that you can easily pair with the app (with 9 pads, a simple keyboard, a few knobs and other fancy stuff).

[@unduloid]

You have one. It's called "screen."

[@PlatinumEagleStudios]

@@unduloid that's not what he's talking about idiot. Stop with the sarcasm. It's not needed. he wants a PHYSICAL controller like a launchpad-type device that has buttons and knobs on it that you can use with the app. He wasn't even referring to the screen at all.

[@unduloid]

@@PlatinumEagleStudios So screens are not physical? Since when?

[@perkyhugeen]

@@unduloid you are so smart

[@el_dani]

I'm sure Akai, Novation or Korg have you covered

[@AndyChamberlainMusic]

immediately downloaded it thank you for getting it to android!

[@Caelo_music]

Would love to hear more about the difference in developing for Android and iPhone.

[@drfleka]

He probably didn't write code for the app, apps are made by programming engineers. He just hired them and gave his ideas and feedback.

[@stephenmandelbaum2027]

Yeah, good point.

[@Caelo_music]

@@drfleka yes he did that, but he already mentioned this topic in an earlier Flip video. I think he still can make a video on the differences just by talking about his experience and discussions with the engineers.

[@muimuhadresh3986]

SOLD! Finally on Android. Thanks for your hard work.

[@adrenalinegroove]

Thank you!!! Just installed on my Galaxy Tab. Gonna have fun playing around with flip sampler!

[@tantaloss8682]

YOOOOO, I've been waiting for FLIP for android for so long!

[@peffken8834]

I find and think the limitation of the OP-1 philosophy is a conscious decision to focus on the idea and a kind of live take. That being said, there are certainly some details to add and improve to take this concept to a higher level. "Flip" seems to be absolutely well thought out and useful, providing many possibilities. I will definitely be testing the app! The best thing would be to be able to use the app and the OP-1 as a symbiotic complement, bi-directionally of course. Just dreamin'...

[@thespeedyyoshi]

LET’S GO ANDREW HE DID IT WOOO

[@IrregularShed]

I bought Flip in the first 15 seconds of this video. On my Galaxy S21 it's a bit hard to get the most out of due to the smaller screen and my aging eyes; on my Galaxy Tab it's SO GOOD OMG. Given this tablet has an RRP of £150, and Flip at the moment is £7, you could get yourself outfitted with an amazingly capable mobile beat machine for less money than a couple of car tyres (subject to car and tyre quality, obvs)

[@RayT314]

YESSS! Just grabbed it on Android. Looking forward to some beats on the go!

[@SushiiBob]

ANDROIIIIIIID I'M SO HYPED

[@DonovanAenslaed]

I think that most of the price tag of the OP-1 goes to the display. It just looks amazing.

[@Wakax0]

Hey Andrew ! Would love to see a video where you show the range of capacity of Loopy Pro, it's a god tier looping app on ipad that potentially replace the boss rc 505 !

[@BrendonBrooks]

The real question is here is where did you get that area rug? It really ties the room together.

[@tsvtsvtsv]

psyched to be getting this great looking app on android! soon as i saw it was available it was an instant no brainer purchase

[@tsvtsvtsv]

oh i love that mp3 compression on the op1 field. gorgeous

[@SreenikethanI]

00:23 hey is that a sound effect from Sparkle Mountains?

[@smellylettuce]

Thanks Andrew, as an Android user, I'll definitely check this out. Looks really solid.

[@neonvoid]

$10 app + a $30 midi keyboard and a phone beats OP1-Field in every angle, no contest

[@paul46038]

Bought the Android version before the video finished. Now off to play around!

[@miguelguthridge]

I didn't realise Flip was available on Android! I've been waiting for so long!!!

[@Limemill]

The only - but huuuuge - benefit of the OP-1 over almost everything is that it's a material thing and not an application. You don't get distracted, you don't get pulled in by notifications and whatnot, and having that physical contact makes it so much more personal and enjoyable. $2000, though, is still crazy expensive regardless of however amazing the OP-1 is. I'd buy it for 400-500 (probably)

[@macstar95]

Agreed, you are basically paying for limitations...which at that point I say work on self control and workflow lol...

[@Limemill]

@@macstar95 Devices and apps are designed to be hyper addictive, as you probably know. You're constantly fighting against an army of solutions engineered on purpose to create the maximum amount of addiction possible. With that said, it's only half the problem. The other one is that, as I mentioned, for someone as kinaesthetic as myself working with a tangible thing shoots up curiosity and creativity. Whereas working with a piece of software never feels as satisfying. Still, $2,000 is ungodly

[@macstar95]

@@Limemill This is true, It's a good reminder I think how powerful working out of the box can be. I do think at that price point, you just pay for some hardware that you can step away from the box and produce on hardware.