2.2 Proves Genshin Doesn't Care About Endgame Content (Labyrinth Warriors)

The headliner event of 2.2, Labyrinth Warriors, is a unique game mode which has a lot of potential for repeatability, making it a good candidate for endgame content. However, the decision to make it a limited time event leads me to believe that fulfilling endgame content will not be coming soon.
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Intro: 0:00
What is Good Endgame Content?: 1:03
Rogue-like/lite Games: 2:15
Elysian Realm: 3:07
Labyrinth Warriors: 5:22
Concerns: 6:14
Genshin Doesn’t Care About Endgame Content: 8:32
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[@IIPOCTO1DEAGLE]

Honkai's Elysian Realm was tested multiple times as a limited time event before becoming permanent though. It is possible that mihoyo will do the same in Genshin.

[@areshime2408]

Honkai is also 4 years old like Genshin has so much stuff still coming I don’t get way people just don’t take a break and come back when new stuff comes it’s a gacha there always like this

[@ohamatchhams]

@@areshime2408 The problem with your argument is that even Genshin don't rerun banners as often as most other gacha games, even it has facade of AAA open world which gives fake impression of a good game at this point, might as well play better games than even attached with Genshin, yes to includes their superior sibling HONKAI IMPACT

[@ohamatchhams]

@Sukuna Archon Bad argument, Genshin is still a gacha game and they even merged with identity of AAA open world games' traits, so of course comparisons are naturally happens and valid for as long as it's being inducted in civil ways Not so related, but if EN community being generalised as "whiny" by even CN fandoms, then they need to look at mirror that there's also has few representations that almost assassinated Mihoyo's CEO and Execs, they wouldn't want be lumped with the same ilk aren't they? Besides, Genshin has already rolled their banks with 2 Billions USD in a year, that' already humongous and even twice bigger than Apex Legends, so as other points mentioned above, demands for fixing their bad live services to improve is imminent, also out of love for Genshin

[@pumkinpatchwork]

@@ohamatchhams Genshin IS an AAA open world?? it is objectively an extremely well-made game, and if you do not think so then you have literally never played a proper video game in your life (much less a completely free game with this much care put into it). the gacha aspect is a side feature, and while that is their monetization system it’s completely optional to spend money or even pull for any characters at all.

[@cow9805]

@@pumkinpatchwork Why does it matter whether or not people refer to Genshin as AAA or a gacha game? It changes nothing. Furthermore it doesn’t justify you responding to Ernas like that since that wasn’t even the point they were trying to get across. Just chill dude.

[@cloin6]

I’m pretty high on copium rn but what if MHY is just putting this in as a limited event to test and see if players like it or not before deciding to one day, eventually, putting it in as permanent endgame content? :D

[@heroluka7088]

Yeah I can easily imagine them testing the waters with this event and waiting for feedback.

[@ValentijnEnJack]

Good one! I hope so

[@morax5015]

they had been "testing the waters" for 1 year now with the myriad of limited events they pulled out since 1.1...

[@luongtuanhung6723]

yeah right, "one day"

[@heroluka7088]

@@morax5015 Honestly we will undeniably get endgame content eventually, but yeah its probably gonna take a while. Hopefully not till actually the last story arc.

[@rift1067]

They could, on paper, rework the entire Spiral Abyss to add roguelike elements. Adding exploration elements like the Misty Dungeons where you have to choose riskier paths to get the better benediction buffs. What makes it a frustratingly missed opportunity is the fact that the whole Spiral Abyss lore is about a labyrinth-like manifold at the edge of the true Abyss, forming a boundary between it and Teyvat. Furthermore, because of the non-Eucledian nature (doesn't adhere to conventional geometry) of each "corridor", they could've used that as a narrative element to implement procedural generation both independent of, and on top of the half-monthly rotation. There is a skeleton for a lore-infested roguelike environment that could stand the test of time through the Spiral Abyss. It needs to be more than just a DPS-check.

[@LeBornMajes]

So are we gonna play soul knight but in genshin?

[@maniasquid9715]

@@LeBornMajes ABSOLUTLY FUCKING YES, WILL SELL MY KIDNEYS TO FUND MIHOYO THE MOMENT THAT HAPPENS

[@YouDonkeyfu]

that is what i have been telling my friends for a long time, that if you guys want me to play abyss, then i would enjoy having a rougelite mode to mess around with.

[@Rebber]

Exactly, everything is just dmg in abyss, if they'd make a "survival" type of challenge making use of DEF and HP, we wouldn't be so mad when rolling into it

[@poyax.]

That idea is so nice, but should not be Abyss. So that rewards of this will be different week from Abyss.

[@nekokoishi]

Wanna know what endgame content I want to see on Genshin? An infinite version of the spiral abyss that gets harder and harder. The goal is no longer about how fast you can clear each floor but instead, it is about how long you can last. I'd say having like a reward milestone on the highest floor you can clear that resets every few weeks/months would add more replayability into the game.

[@starpiececonnectingfeelings]

this sounds really cool , adding to the whole ingame lore of the abyss too!

[@KoeSeer]

naah, this will turn this game into MTX fest that sold gears and artefacts. Endgame is a catalyst for unchecked power creep. What you have today will be obsolete next year so you have to pull or buy more.

[@nekokoishi]

@@KoeSeer sold gears and artifacts? I'm pretty sure there are no trading for equipment in Genshin(cuz if it has then that would be very exploitable). Although yeah I'll have to agree that it may get boring after a year or something but I think the best way to avoid that is by adding some sort of a story element into it. Just like the Elysian Realm in Honkai.

[@KoeSeer]

@@nekokoishi i've seen games with a clear endgame (raid boss, infinite dungeon, etc) are selling gears and power level. It caters to whale.

[@nekokoishi]

@@KoeSeer selling gears and power level... So like via ingame purchases or account trading? If you are referring to the gacha then I guess that make sense on the context of Genshin. The gacha is pretty much the only way to obtain stronger stuff so I guess that part is understandable. If it is account trading or selling accounts with a certain character or gear then that is pretty not allowed in Genshin. Mihoyo will take action if someone tries selling an account. Also I'm pretty sure that the infinite dungeon idea doesn't just cater to whales because I'm pretty sure that hardcore f2p players would try to test their own limit in said gamemode.

[@morax5015]

If you go to liyue and read the conversation between an NPC called Degui and his assistant (near chef mao) you will see that it could be the genshin team's way of telling us what's going on between Genshin devs and their bosses in Mihoyo ... lols

[@mcnoan4661]

Ohh what did they said? I never seem to see them when I exploring lmao

[@morax5015]

@@mcnoan4661 Degui: How many times have I told you? If you can't get the basics right, how am I... how are you going to make any money!? Zhiruo(Employee): But I think... Degui: Oh, I know full well what you think! You think these customers should be able to eat their fill, pay a fair price for it and then be on their jolly way! Tell me, how exactly do you plan to make any money that way? Degui: It's simple math: If you halve the portion size, each guest has to order twice as much, and you've doubled your income just like that! Zhiruo: ... Degui: And another thing. Do you have any idea how expensive this wine is? You have to be more sparing with it! You only need to add a little bit to the food - just enough to taste. Zhiruo: But the customers were COMPLAINING THAT the boozy desserts didn't seem to have any booze in them... Degui: You don't listen to the customers! You listen to me, do you understand!? Do the customers pay your salary? No! I do! They say it's bland, you tell them it's supposed to be bland! They ask why, you make something up! Degui: Tell them it's an acquired taste or something... get them to order it again! Just... whatever you do, don't go sending people away after you've already managed to get them in the shop!

[@jayjay8782]

And also the whole tenryou commission not telling the shogun about problems in inazuma story felt too sus to me, like what if it's kind of a metaphor that the developers and story team put in the game to tell people that mihoyo's tenryou's commission (marketing team) just won't bother to tell the higher ups (the shogun) about problems ingame and why people are angry about the disconnetion between mihoyo and the fanbase

[@ValentijnEnJack]

@@morax5015 Hahahaha, you are an absolute genius!

[@ValentijnEnJack]

@@jayjay8782 Very clever observation as well!

[@JayDay04]

As a casual player, I don't like difficult events at all. I think the harder ones could be the permanent endgame content like you said, but the events being difficult isn't good for me, imo. Easy events are good because I can get the rewards quickly with the little time I have a week to play Genshin. There's those other types of events where you can choose the difficulty of the bosses (particularly my least favorite kind of event, I hate it sm aushsh), and I think those fill the requirements of what you said. Those could be good additions to the endgame content too

[@leonardchung3825]

Agreed. I’m not casual, but I am also busy like most people. Making a better Abyss or adding another thing would be better

[@techfragrancemarvelfan6072]

Well said! Overall I agree. I want hard fighting content (permanent) but I want it to be optional like the spiral abyss. But I want that super hard challenge to be there

[@sieghart1931]

Yeah. Not everyone has nothing to do in their whole day just to play genshin. I like genshin as it is. It's a mobile game after all.

[@sakamoto8354]

Casuals can stay casuals but let the dedicated and hardcore players have also their thing.

[@ImSchneckenhaus]

Agreed. Also, taking the rewards of Hyakunin Ikki as an example, I am glad that they put the primos as the lowest reward. This game is really targeted to casual players, which I appreciate. I wish I can sympathize with the hardcores, but its just that I can't really relate to what they want...

[@pumkinpatchwork]

3:07 I know some people have already mentioned this but it is EXTREMELY important to point out that Elysian Realm also started off as a temporary event. only until after many different iterations was it finally added as a permanent feature. frankly these Genshin events seem to also be more of MiHoYo testing the waters to see what sticks and what won’t, and it’s pretty much guaranteed that they’ll add more permanent content to the game later on. tl;dr: this game is barely a year old and MiHoYo loves to experiment with things, let’s just be patient edit: with the release of the event (I’m LOVING it btw) it seems quite similar to those pre-Elysian Realm events, I can say with confidence that they’re definitely testing things out here

[@higaiwokeru]

How can we be patient if we are already bored All we had to wait for was Inazuma, and now that it’s here, we finished exploring it and now the cycle repeats for Sumeru but Sumeru is prob gonna come in another damn year Everyone is burnt out and bored, using the “Mihoyo loves experimenting” is just an excuse now

[@pumkinpatchwork]

@@higaiwokeru bruh do you know how much work it takes to make all of this?? game development takes time, LOTS of it. doesn’t matter how much money they earn, money can’t buy time and passion and dedication. like it or not, this is what’s happening and if you don’t like it stop playing the game. (not to mention it’s kinda your own fault if you speedran through everything like the week Inazuma released… I’m actually taking my time w exploration and the game is still super fun and there’s a lot left for me to do)

[@unwlcmd]

I think if MiHoYo said that this event might become permanent for endgame content that it would kill two birds with one stone. Not only would it officially acknowledge lack of endgame content but also if players knew they might be getting permanent content it might bring more thorough and valuable feedback that the devs can then use to make it even better. I don't mind waiting for it to become permanent bc I know things like this take time, and rushing only brings poor quality gameplay.

[@pumkinpatchwork]

@@unwlcmd that’s the thing, they aren’t sure whether something like this would be good for endgame, hence the testing. they don’t want to declare anything yet because if they said so and then decided this wouldn’t be fit, the players would be at their throats again

[@unwlcmd]

@@pumkinpatchwork totally understand that! A lot of the playerbase doesn't realize that under development/beta doesn't mean it will appear in final version. I guess all we can do is see how the event is received

[@NovaCantera]

From what we have seen with things like the teapot and inazuma, the permanant features take far longer to work on as they develop them in the background while the main focus is events. You can't have as frequent updates as we do without having to wait longer for long term features.

[@1mol831]

So perhaps keep every event game mode?

[@NovaCantera]

@@1mol831 Alot of the events weren't designed with long term in mind so it would just clutter the game with minigames that players have played to death. Designing long term content that won't get tiresome is much harder than designing fun minigames with a healthy 2 week life span. Games like genshin take a couple years to collect enough perminant features to allow for persistant end game play. TLDR: Game dev hard :(

[@AyakoHideko]

@@NovaCantera Thank you for your valuable insight! :) It's surprisingly rather hard to find constructive, valuable and well thought-out feedback in this comment section... :(

[@lucustwyatt1960]

Agreed, a new player joining today has so much more content already than what we got from 1 year ago. Can't wait for what the next year brings to Genshin.

[@thenerdempire]

@@lucustwyatt1960 I think this is a key part of the problem, too, that's hard to see from a longtime player's perspective. The game actually has a TON of stuff to do if you started today. Sometimes I'm wandering around thinking about how little I have to do outside the daily resin rotations and commissions, but I forget that I was playing the game for a solid four months before first experiencing the feeling that there might not always be things to keep me occupied. And I only reached the point in the last month where I more or less just wait for new content between patches. I know that there are also long-term considerations on how to deal with things like having new players start the game in five years without being daunted by the 100, 200, or even more hours it would take to move to the end of the storyline alone - even with minimal side stuff.

[@xAznSkyxx]

Mihoyo: *doesnt care about endgame* Also mihoyo: *makes people rush through the story to play an event*

[@williansantana6602]

I always thought they could leave these special events like the moonchase permanently as well for those who lost the event.....it seems like a waste for an event with so many speeches and animations to be thrown away like that after the event is over.

[@isomiso8373]

THIS i especially think the reconceiled stars event should be permanent it literally introduces a fatui harbinger,and is the first mona and fischl appearence in game,not to mention the lore about the stars that i assume will be important

[@art_of_sachura]

you know the reason why they can't make these events permanent: MOBILE PLAYERS only when they delete their Android/iOS can they truly make huge permanent contents in this game

[@pokedude720]

@@isomiso8373 who did it introduce?

[@isomiso8373]

@@pokedude720 Scaramouche

[@pokedude720]

@@isomiso8373 really? He acts like this is your 1st meeting when you meet up with him in the Inazuma Story.

[@GabsMarqs]

my copium/hopium is that they're using this event to test the reaction and what it would be like to implement a genshin rogue-like, it would probably be bad if they just instantly implement the first idea they got in their minds as a permanent mode

[@maraisfan4life517]

That would be logical tbh.

[@indiralarasati1787]

Yeah, that makes sense. Someone mentioned this in another comment but Elysian Realm in Honkai started out as an event called Threshold Breach. They reran the event a couple of times before making ER, which is more polished for endgame AND provides lore. So this isn't too unrealistic to hope for, but it'd probably take a while ^^

[@nandhitanarendratmaja1302]

Yeah, isn't the whole point of the summer island update is to test out the boat and island traveling mechanic

[@pifilixxiv3192]

@@nandhitanarendratmaja1302 yup it wass

[@Aeternum_Zephyria]

remember theater mechanicus?

[@spatulachan]

I actually came up with an idea for a gamemode while watching this video: A gamemode slightly similar to mario maker where players can make custom domains for other players and play in domains that other players have made. Whether it be combat, exploration or puzzle based. I’m not sure how the rewards would work for something like this though

[@navy1736]

sounds fun

[@slo_77v]

mhy please hire this fella

[@williansantana6602]

I think the "community" is very obsessed with "rewards" I could play this game mode for example simply because it would be fun!

[@randomgamer6774]

Yooo they can make it where you use your own primos so whales can do event challenges for primos. Or if not, allow mora rewards

[@frankwill7137]

i would love that,although i can imagine someone making a domain where the enemies just permafreeze you or overload a lot and it's just...yikes,but aside from that it sounds really fun

[@bubblesbinxs024]

personally i can play fine without expecting big endgame content as i’m mostly focused on the game’s lore and its characters i read texts and theorize about what we have already related to khaenri’ah and such while also having fun trying to build a new character every time i hit friendship 10 with an older one i’m also always pretty excited for new updates because NEW LORE ADDED i’m just lore-hungry

[@bubblesbinxs024]

i will say tho that the gacha system, while not being the worst i’ve seen (as someone who’s played other gacha games), is bothering me with stuff like spiral abyss sometimes putting under the light a bit too much a new character (lately for me it’s been with kokomi being a little too advertised through floor 11) i also personally dislike a lot the weapon banner system because losing 2 times my 50/50 to have a guaranteed weapon isn’t appealing. it would’ve probably worked better if it was like the character banner imo

[@Dyslexiella]

That's unfortunate

[@notsolocallocalalien1034]

@@Dyslexiella how? Because they have fun with the game?

[@Alexander-dw3jw]

They might be waiting for Dendro to be released before adding end game content. Because a new element can completely change that game so they might be waiting for that, but yeah they really need to add end game content soon.

[@SparklingGlitterCookie]

Very good point!!

[@villager1831]

@@Kedamohno people,said that 6 months ago lol

[@sax7760]

@@villager1831 But that was six months ago tho

[@kshawn17]

Elysian realm wasn't suddenly added to the game. The game mode has been tested before in a limited timed even called [Threshold Breach]. Looking at it, one would find many similarities to the current Elysian realm even if the types of buffs were given out is much different. But honestly, everyone is just gonna shit on mhy for anything they do i doubt any real feedback would be given...

[@AyakoHideko]

At the state that the fanbase is rn... I'm gonna have to sadly agree. Certain comments from this comment section alone kinda proves that, and it makes me sad that they can't even do anything at their own pace to produce the kind of quality content people expect of them without them getting scrutinized for every single little thing they decide to do anymore. I honestly just wish that the game will shed some of these kinds of players as the years goes on tbh. The way Genshin is so big is starting to become detrimental to the actual people working on the game, but is ironically benefitting the executives that the fanbase should be rallying up against instead.

[@lucustwyatt1960]

@@AyakoHideko exactly, I for one appreciate the pace of content provided for free by Mihoyo for 1 year already, the progress made has been phenomenal IMO. Sure, there might be a patch or two which has less interesting stuffs (depend on individual), but which other developer could've create so much new content in just one year and is still going strong, everything we see now takes months to plan, design, develop, balance and tested. It even has continuity thought into it since every event story also has ties and links to past and future stories, not some randomly created stuff. The same goes for Characters and Weapons and items.

[@AyakoHideko]

@@lucustwyatt1960 Yea I agree! The dev teams behind Genshin does their best to make the best product they can make from each department, while also maintaining the same kind of quality throughout their collaborations with the other departments as well! As someone who knows how aggravating it is to work in team projects, I really commend the different dev teams for being able to work together this well, and to produce such a narratively-cohesive and just all-round solid concepts when it comes to the things they're putting into the game. Although if there's one thing that the 2.0 livestream reception has taught me: No one actually cares about the Chinese devs. It's terribly sad imo. They only care about themselves.

[@GalderaVG]

@@AyakoHideko Not everyone has worked in a place where they have had team projects so of course people are gonna want more without understanding what goes into making the events/areas. The reason for that is mainly just because people are greedy by nature, argue about that if you will, but it's the main basis of this whole thing especially when it comes to rewards.

[@AyakoHideko]

@@GalderaVG I wholeheartedly agree with the whole selfish thing since it's the way I see it too. I'm a cynic so I'm not gonna even bother arguing against that even though I'm aware there may be choice actors who don't have that as their main motivation. I do disagree though with the first claim. Anyone who has ever worked in a team project ever, whether it be a company venture or just simple school group work, would understand the kind of hurdles and obstacles that come with splitting the work and trusting your team members to get it done right. (There's always that ONE guy.) The Genshin devs are able to pull it off and excel in it, which is why I'm giving them the praise they deserve. Sure, some dev teams aren't consistent with their quality, but the fact that the product they've produced is as solid and cohesive as it is is still worthy of praise regardless :) Also... Kinda unrelated and off-topic, but may I ask what the VG stands for in your username? :D

[@moxiemos9637]

Aged extreamely well. Once again the dev show us that they don't care, for real this time.

[@JamporkFilms]

Elysian Realm is a fantastic game mode that I wish had an incarnation into genshin. not only is it fun like you mentioned but it also has a progression incentive of learning about characters through interactions and conversations that they have had before. Honestly such a great idea to present new characters while providing interesting lore for existing characters that you can't always attain from the travellers perspective.

[@pumkinpatchwork]

Elysian Realm also started off as a temporary event, only until after many different iterations was it finally added as a permanent feature. frankly these Genshin events seem to be more of MiHoYo testing the waters, and it’s pretty much guaranteed that they’ll add more permanent content to the game.

[@helencorderosa]

WDYM Elysian realm game mode is hell

[@betulla96]

@@pumkinpatchwork Agreed 100%. People are just extremely impatient.

[@jumpkan7008]

@@velevetyyflies yea def. People alr complaining about events being quest-gated and abyss being too hard. Imagine the backlash if they implemented Elysian Realm lmao. I've been playing honkai for awhile but just trying to beat Dangerous to unlock weekly rewards is a pain

[@maninanikittycat4238]

Haven’t played Honkai but Elysian Realm sounds like fun

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Apparently, the culture of Chinese devs is either take it or leave it. They aren't beholden to listen to our complains. They WILL take it or leave. Don't forget the language barrier and the fact YT is banned in China as well as Western Social Media. Most content creators don't speak Chinese and they only complain via Social Media banned in China. And any Social Media they have have to play a game of relay to the devs.

[@Sociopastor]

I hate China

[@lilyhuang2076]

Then how can we find a way to communicate with them ??

[@Kurthlin]

@@Sociopastor Well I'm not racist but I hate the CCP

[@ValentijnEnJack]

@@lilyhuang2076 Play store reviews, communicating with the international communit-... Oh wait, they ban/censor feedback on those.

[@EnergA3564]

@@Kurthlin Who in their right mind doesn't...also you are not racist if you hate a political party. You did it right, instead of critizing the people, you critisize the government.

[@DarrenStevensohnOfficial]

"Why having end game content when you can play with your teapot?" ~Mihoyo

[@birbcawing5605]

Ahh yes and wait like 16hrs to craft a chair

[@swordmain1880]

I think the reason why they havent released endgame content is due to Dendro being an unreleased element, Endgame content require some really heavy ballancing and since the game is ballanced pretty heavly by the elemental reactions, i don't think Mihoyo will release an endgame content now while risking having its ballance screwed when Dendro released. this is just an opinion i build from multiple internet interractions, so don't keep our hopes to high

[@BlackGateofMordor]

@Aneki Ryota Dendro is the last realistic chance to give electro a buff and looks like it's going to be the DoT element. It's a massive potential change.

[@Pandellon]

Maybe they're just doing mass testing stuff before making it permanent? (Insert hopium)

[@Darkclowd]

Ooh! You're the guy with the awesome covers!

[@goldhm1394]

before Elysean Realm, there was something like that temporarely in Honkai, so maybe?

[@Swagbastian]

It literally doesn't hurt them to test the permanent content out after they release it.

[@Subit_0000]

Honestly I don't see them doing anything for the end game content, they are probably following the plan and they are not going to deviate from it.

[@overhaul8416]

Yeah I would rather see them focus and proceed with storyline plans instead

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

Maybe they will add it at the halfway point of the game

[@cyco7229]

​@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 I believe so too, Sumeru is the midway point btw so we're not far from it.

[@cestalia]

I think some decision fall away from the plan tho. Chasm is example. They will put endgame content, but just not immediately lol

[@thescarytransperson]

@@cyco7229 iT IS????

[@onobonono]

I got burnt out and haven't really played this week. I realized that forcing myself to log in every day to grind commissions and events for primogems isn't really worth my time. My only purpose boiled down to just grinding to unlock the next character, level them up, then rinse and repeat. Even though we do get new events and game modes to mix things up, all of it still comes down to collecting primogems just to unlock/level characters. So sometimes I like to imagine what Genshin Impact would be like if it wasn't a free gacha designed around a microtransaction lottery. I still enjoy Genshin's story, but if there's nothing else to progress for or any endgame to reach, then I don't really have any other incentive to play in between story quests. And I'm not trying to say there's not enough content. In fact, it became really tiresome having to constantly grind for so many events before they ended in addition to my dailies. Genshin just needs to design a new incentive to keep playing aside from just "MOAR PRIMOS AND MATERIALS".

[@cestalia]

Don't worry. Genshin has welcome back mechanic if you miss the game for 2 weeks and you can catch up. Ot gives you material and primo too

[@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person]

How much are you playing? I only play on weekends and I haven't ever be "burnt out". I don't get it why people want to grind so much in genshin as if it was just like another RPG.

[@onobonono]

@@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person I was playing a lot because it felt like Mihoyo emphasized grinding events and primogems too much (after playing the story, that's all there really is). But since I made that comment, I haven't really played and I don't regret it. Looking back, I was wasting too much of whatever free time I had doing meaningless things in this game.

[@ignivite3592]

The only reason why I still login to grind primos and buy welkins even though I'm starting to get bored is because I have nothing to look forward irl, my everyday schedule is just sleeping - working - genshin - repeat, it's depressing but genshin is ironically the only thing that keep me sane I'm only 22 yet I feel like I'm already 70 years old inside and ready to die anytime

[@onobonono]

@@ignivite3592 Honestly I can relate, but Genshin just ended up adding to the cycle of repetitiveness and became something more similar to work instead of fun. I recommend trying out different games instead of grinding the same thing everyday or at least start playing with other people. Idk if you have friends on discord, but just hit them up casually, or I'm down to try new games if you want.

[@AP.DistribuZone]

Am on a minority, but am happy with "less thing to do" and not looking for an endgame content yet. A decent theory I fimly believe is that an endgame content will happen after Dendro element debut to balance things out.

[@KudaGeatsune3821]

Agreed I'm very much a casual

[@fatuusdottore]

I find things to do and tbh I’m pretty hardcore into Genshin, but it’s just not the kind of game you can stream for hours on end and just call that your channel. It’s gacha at the end of the day. The high quality channels all do something else, whether it’s create builds/guides, theorise on lore/future content, or analyse past storylines. People who just expect to coast by calling themselves “content creators” and complain about Mihoyo when they themselves do literally the bare minimum in terms of content are hilariously delusional lol.

[@AP.DistribuZone]

@@fatuusdottore Exactly. Am seriously surprised how these peeps can sit through more than an hour talking (livestream) while in front of a computer. That thought alone makes me feel exhausted and they complain of burnout. They themselves did it, not Mihoyo's fault. Am playing Genshin as what Mihoyo intended and designed it to be played, reason am still at my peak interest.

[@ryusorata]

If you are a casual, more content will not hurt you in anyway! You can ignore abyss and any content. Its your game have fun as you please, but there is a lot of people craving for more to do.

[@iambored6702]

We better have endgame content in sumeru and fontaine or else

[@Towarzysz00]

As a player who does constantly have 36 stars in the abyss and a player of different gacha games. I say that the thing genshin should prioritize is the story as whole. Since so far it's rather dull but the game itself is "enjoyable".

[@ss-cp2uy]

i agree! i wish their archon quest stories were as interesting as the lore behind the stories lol.

[@oyah999]

Fate Story👀

[@Commievn]

True, their story is mediocre at best...

[@aperson6562]

Too bad they’re neglecting the story too… honestly have no idea what they’re doing with the game at this point. They have such great lore, but bad pacing, storytelling and much more ruins it for most people

[@ss-cp2uy]

@@aperson6562 the only quest they properly messed up was 2.1 so far. i'm hoping it was a one-time thing, because lantern's rite was really cute. i do wish the story was as intricate and well made as the lore though, it's just kind of average right now.

[@chagrined4days]

This strikes me as only a real problem for content creators who only create content related to Genshin Impact. I think "play/do something else instead" is great advice for everyone else. Maybe the advice for content creators should be "branch out into other types of content" then.

[@justaguy3983]

That’s true. If you get bored, just play a different game. It isn’t that much of a good idea to stick to a specific game for content anyways.

[@rexthewolf3149]

@@justaguy3983 it easy to just say just play another game. But you don’t know how many people will watch that content. I’ve seen it happened before they tried to do something new but in doing so they tank they’re views and engagement.

[@maethecrazyone]

@@rexthewolf3149 the advice to play something else is for those who dont produce content for that specific game ! It' a great advice for those who are just playing for fun without a need to create content and slowly getting bored

[@Frencoh]

@@Sen5325 ur the first person with a brain ive seen in all 7 months of my time playing. once you finish archon/world quests, unlock the chars you want/lvl them up, and get most chests in each region, there is 0 reason to login longer than 30min each day, which is just daily/weekly tasks. genshin is for ppl who dont care about progression and more than 1 hour a week is too much for them. at this rate everyone will be ar55 while waiting years for regions, meaning hoyo's gameplan is to only care ab new players while current ones quit. they dont care about us :DDDDDDD (also abyss is a waste of time bc it only gives primos and primos only get new chars. since new chars dont outclass old ones (bennet/xq) only reason to get them is cause u like them, and everyone isnt in love w/ every character. abyss players hate their lives bc their effort means 0) p.s. sry for the essay, i just hate this game even though ive logged in daily since aug1 :p

[@f3bq163]

@@Frencoh Hah new players will stop coming after a while. Games older than a few years tend to be played by veterans/older players. They will have to release end game content at some point or their milking cash game will die

[@sauceboss4184]

I’ve got my Copium ready fellas. MiHoyo will totally start adding Endgame content once Dendro is out, trust.

[@mariachi3217]

Would make sense as once all elements are out and reactions are working as intended then there’s no excuse for them to at least add in more content besides the teapot, exploration, domains(?), etc.

[@cestalia]

I think it will be longer, but they definitely will put it

[@nongshimrizzforce]

Yeah I agree! I think once sumeru is out the game will also get more serious in storyline + lore, bc I feel like liyue/mond/Inazuma is really just the start of the story really

[@NikoNekoa]

@@nongshimrizzforce Inazuma was a decent step into more serious storytelling so i hope the devs see the potential Sumeru has both Story and Content wise

[@Mas-Item]

As everyone is saying, it is possible that they are trying new things at this point. What we can do is of course spam their feedback survey with encouragements and ideas regarding endgame content. Though im not a man with a lot of free time in my hands, i do hope they listen and make some changes to please some of the playerbase that are willing to play genshin for a lot more time if there are contents like these in the future.

[@Clippozant]

That's the point...why do you people want endgame, when the game is not finished yet?? Jokes aside, I hope in Raids with some matchmaking..would be pretty fun to be honest

[@lucustwyatt1960]

@@Clippozant oh I'd bring Kokomi to raids ;)

[@cestalia]

@Sukuna Archon Yeah, but permanent endgame when the game is still in development ain't best either. Like bruh, we still don't get dendro.

[@fizzervc7264]

Why not just make these events scale with world level? That seems like it could fix the difficultly problems of these events to me.

[@helioxghost]

It could also bring us closer to fixing new players being unable to play the events because of them being locked behind a high AR

[@ilikecereal156]

Their events usually do scale with world level. For me the enemies were lv80-90

[@Exceed_HS]

Makes you realize Genshin was just a side game that blew up out of proportion in popularity while Honkai is still Mihoyo’s main game

[@abbie3702]

@@Vios__ yet they can't even be bothered to come up with new characters that haven't been ripped straight from honkai half of the time

[@wasabilover1293]

@@Vios__ was supposed to be a side game* genshins goal was to make some money never to become so highly and well known.

[@ottokallen]

@@abbie3702 they have put a total of 4 characters in game that look like honkai characters and 1 of those characters isn't even playable and it was on popular demand that the raiden shogun looked like mei raiden so no i don't think they are ripping off their own characters if you ever played honkai you would know it was a multiverse and that genshin is part of that multiverse (considering dvalin the dragon we fight) is actually in honkai

[@lennoxshepherd3905]

They have put way more effort into the creation of genshin than they did with honkai not to mention they put way more money into advertising it, than they did with honkai. Which is why its a so much bigger ip

[@hoang7850]

@@abbie3702 “ripped off” lol. Sounds like genshin plebs talking about things they have no idea about

[@nekonochesire6023]

The issue lies and will always lies on what you touched at @4:09 , that this conversation about end game in Genshin always misses. That people will always stop playing a mode if they're not rewarded for it. Yeah sure if they put the mode as a permanent one, people will play it a lot for a few weeks, because they don't really have anything else to spend hours into. But after they have tried all kind of combination, how many would actually bother to continue doing it if it doesn't give reward ? Not a lot, which means the best middle ground is to, exactly like in Honkai, reset rewards each weeks. But what will that accomplish in the end ? Nothing, as it will just become another thing to do to get reward once every week that people will grow bored off in the end. The main problem is people expectation, thay **want** to play Genshin all the time, they don't want to ever stop, but at the same time they don't want to **just** play it, they want to be rewarded by playing it. So in the end, people just want endless rewards, which absolutely clash with how Genshin works as a game, it's simply something that will never happen.

[@nrl6061]

They honestly need to make co-op content a real thing. A guild system, boss raids, and maybe even a co-op spiral abyss.

[@CanonicalKaoru]

Boss-matching like for domains needs to be a thing for lower ARs

[@phantompop3192]

Honestly, I’d like some kind of Abyss domain that’s co-op. Here’s a rough idea: 1. Up to 4 players work together fighting hordes of enemies. 2. Each player uses a different character(s). 3. There could be bonuses based on how well you work together. (Ex. Healing enough or doing enough damage, killing multiple enemies in quick succession, multiple reactions, etc.). The better you are, the more rewards you get after.

[@justsomeguy727]

Anybody trying to make ALL their content and their entire living off a *gacha* game simply is gonna be in for the rude awakening that that is simply not sustainable whatsoever. Go look at content for any other gacha. 90% of the "content" made for them is either people doing mass summon sessions, or doing the same repetitive stages that they always do on a daily basis. There's very little in the ways of variety when it comes to this stuff. And you even said it yourself: "if you give players the ability to grind something in a day, they will" so what genuinely makes you think people won't do the exact same thing with literally anything that gets added into genshin? People will blast through it all in a day, grab all the rewards from it, and then never touch it again since a majority of this playerbase simply can't find any kind of reason to do anything unless it's giving them rewards. And that will apply to any and all forms of permanent content that gets added.

[@justaguy3983]

It isn’t a good idea to stick to one game for content. Most of the popular youtubers tend to branch out and try out different games from horror and zombie games to relaxing games. Viewers will want to see specific games but it’s better to just play and make content on the games the creator wants to play.

[@muhammadfawwazrazani8081]

Mihoyo as a game company invest their resources into everything: Music, Concert, Twitter Hashtags, All but in-game repeatable content.

[@warm_lettuce473]

Because those things will bring them even more money unfortunately that's all they seem to care about

[@cyco7229]

they just released Inazuma, that's new permanent game content with explorable maps, new enemies, characters, stories, music, voice acting, puzzles but yeah, they're not putting a cent in the game...

[@carlosx8603]

@@cyco7229 they said "repeatable", what you mentioned was basically one and done, content, only reason to explore those places again is to farm materials from enemies and natural resources.

[@Ironpecker]

I love roguelikes and I wouldn't mind a version of that for genshin, one thing I think could be pretty cool could be to let players use "during run" resources to unlock a character that they can use for that run (like a powered up version of the archons (same units but stronger multipliers and stats), or adepti or knights of favonious) or even some custom "team wide artifacts" where you collect up to 4 of these artifacts and depending on how many of one type you can get you get better and better bonuses

[@xXSamir44Xx]

I'm someone that's happy there isn't hours of content everyday. I play other games and I work. 20-30 minutes of Genshin on most days is perfect for me.

[@jasminesidney8174]

Pretty sure this game is aimed towards casuals. As are most mobile games

[@tiniestlumpia]

I feel like the gameplay loop is aimed towards casuals, where you log-in, do 3 things then leave. But the game design and style and uh…rng… are geared towards hardcore players, who have the time and patience to min-max their characters and 100% all of their current content. Like MHY wants both types of players constantly without catering to one specific type

[@exceptionallyriso]

Yup

[@tiniestlumpia]

@Otto Apocalypse they can't really create a endgame until MHY decides wtf genshin is supposed to be, is it a single-player exploration game with a deep story and rich world or is it supposed to be a grind-a-thon with people locked into creating and making new characters. like we have at LEAST another year until MHY can make up their goddamn mind and start cutting off certian types of players to create a form of game direction

[@tiniestlumpia]

@Otto Apocalypse oh bro 10000%

[@evilmiyoho6742]

Every gacha game is casual, kid, they still have ENDGAME CONTENT.

[@anamee7121]

I genuinely don't understand how adding a randomized "dungeon" will make the game endless. Isn't it the same as grinding resources in the world? random enemies eventually becoming déjà vu and boring even with the wide number of possible combinaisons?

[@adolfoestrada6283]

well the idea is the deeper you go the harder the enemies get. If youve never played any roguelike games i get why it sounds samey, but honestly its a lot of fun. look up risk of rain(the first game and the sequel are both amazing and play differently), one step from eden, or enter the gungeon on youtube to see how different roguelike games work with different mechanics. theyd have to implement a card system like in the mechanicus minigame for it to work in genshin, but i can see it being fun. especially if it gave passives that changed up how your abilities and artifacts work(increase AOE, change element, lower cooldown etc)

[@nguyenhieuthanh2216]

The same reason why roguelikes like Dead Cell and Hades are popular. Enemies are only boring if they are easy to fight like enemies in Genshin overworld. Combining high difficulty and randomness keep the player engaged because if the difficulty is right, they can't just button smash and win, and the random variations prevent the players from memorizing what they need to do and have to improvize every time they attempt it.

[@catsouplover7745]

@@adolfoestrada6283 is the same kinda style to cod zombies, yeah they are fun for like 3 games, but the its starts to get boring, maybe is just a matter of opinion and personality type cause i find that type of content really repetitive and boring.

[@anamee7121]

I understood that the diversity of the challenges can be wild, it was well explained in the video -thanks for additional inputs (: roguelike have found their public, as one of you said it was hard not to hear about Hades 😂 but it’s a game made as a roguelike, the story works as a roguelike, the whole game is very heavily based on the roguelike concept. but I’m really not sure it’s for genshin ? It’s so far away from the open world concept? but I guess roguelike aren’t my thing and eventually it’s all coming down to personal taste (: thus why I don’t understand the appeal eh (Also I’ll look up those games! Thanks for the recs)

[@adolfoestrada6283]

@@catsouplover7745 well not everything is for everyone. the people asking for endgame content by and large however, are looking for gameplay that is challenging, variable(as in each run is different) and replayable. aside from a roguelike game mode or PvP i dont think theres anything else they can add

[@northwindy]

The dungeon aspect would’ve been the perfect endgame content. It would keep whales and endgame players entertained, while also being endless and randomized unlike Spiral Abyss. I’m currently fyp and nowhere near endgame, so I’m satisfied (to an extent) with the current state of the game. But the dungeon aspect would give a breath of fresh air for f2p and whales. Every 5 or so levels you could get primos but each randomized stage you advance they get progressively harder, with even less f2p support. It’s the perfect solution to Mihoyo gapping problem of no endgame content. If this feature were to be added I would be overjoyed.

[@Aki-gb8gm]

Well i think they might just be trying to test this gamemode with this Event. They might be adding it permanently if it runs well. At least i saw a honkai player saying they did something similar there a few years ago. But im just trying to be positive, idc much for engame content im a semi casual played, although sometimes i wish it was there when i want to play a little longer.

[@harlow8979]

idk why genshin team is struggling so much with the whole "Stay connected with your fandom" Thing. Honkai seems to keep in touch, i think ToT does considering they literally need to make appealing art and stories to sell the cards bcs its basically an otome game- And theyre all from mihoyo So why is genshin team struggling so much with this?

[@cestalia]

They're the youngest game I think. It's perhaps why they're struggle since they're in development. ToT comes out before Genshin. It's just the global comes out later.

[@asmrprofile8371]

I think the genshin team are the newest development team. Plus they don’t actually listen to SEA and GLB in honkai, only Chinese. They can’t listen to us because site we criticize on are well..banned in china

[@harlow8979]

@@asmrprofile8371 i know they dont actually listen to SEA and GLB but like they seem to have alot sorted over there- like explained here with their sort of game content and whatnot, and how tot garnered so many simps (*cough * Like me) Either way even though they listen to CN but since genshin is new, i hope they yk, fix the issues within the game The game is awesome and graphics and music is amazing its just that theres issues that needs to be adressed, and even the CN players are upset and genshin seems to not listen as much to them too. Like sure CN gets favored but when even the CN fandom is upset and genshin team still didnt do alot until it got worse- Man its really hard to e x p l a i n my view but like, i hope u get my point here hhhhhh

[@harlow8979]

@@cestalia ooo i never knew that, interesting! Since they are in development and in the same company maybe they can like, idk, work with some of the team to make players satisfyed and stuff. It be good for genshin team bcs happy players mean money. Like idk how to explain but like there can be connections between the game devs so the other learns from the other games and the other games learns from the other games mistakes, stuff like that

[@asmrprofile8371]

@@harlow8979 I do. I think in honkai and ToT CN is priority, hell Chinese even tried to murder mihoyo CEO. And we got our Anniversary canceled soon after too..if it was anything like honkai nothing would actually change, just maybe a generous amount of gems

[@siansoft]

i hope that the new event is mihoyos way of testing out this kind of gamemode before actually implimenting something like it into the game. we saw the boats get added during an event, and then come to inazuma, and we saw corosion in the spiral abyss before it was added on the new island. so we have seen features from events becomming permanent outside of the events that introdused them. i simply hope this is the case this time too and that mihoyo wont continue to ignore this problem

[@albaetham5864]

To be honest if you want a game that provides new endgame content consistently then i dont think genshin is the right game for you. It’s important to remember that it’s a gacha game and I still find genshin’s endgame content more enjoyable than other gachas where you just click one button to get through content

[@fatuusdottore]

I agree. It’s funny how people expect to play a gacha game full-time. 💀

[@noukan42]

I told people multiple time that in china there is a law that prevent minor from playing more than 3 hours a week and so genshin is likely built whit that in mind but so far they don't seem to get it.

[@noukan42]

@@Vios__ by what i observed, teenagers are the biggest market for almost everything.

[@albaetham5864]

@Sukuna Archon When did I ever say anything about gacha games not having endgame content? I just said I found genshin's endgame content to be more enjoyable compared to other gachas. Don't call me a kid when you can't even read LOL

[@eternxtii6193]

@Sukuna Archon well for you it isn't but for others it is... opinions are crazy right

[@itsLalm]

i always thought it would be need if they add abyss floor 13, but made it one chamber that was similar to the misty dungeon event we had awhile back. i just think having to route your path for the optimal time could be really interesting and shake things up from the nigh nonexistant routing in the current abyss.

[@hoang7850]

An open world gacha game with enough popularity will surely make people genuinely believe that they’re playing some kind of MMO lol

[@megalodon6975]

finally someone who share's the same view of genshin with me LOL. Yeah I always view genshin as a gacha game with open world mechanics, coming from various gacha games I kinda expect genshn to take a similar path, as it being a gacha game first and foremost

[@KirudAKto]

Probably first time Gatcha players they are lol.

[@simpingfor2d98]

Genshin was my first gacha game and even I came to understand at the beggning of this year that, Its a gacha game, its not made to be played all day. And after playing more gachas, the mecaninis implemented in genshin only made more sense. Ok, its popular and has the quality of an AAA game, BUT, still is a GACHA GAME in the core. I accepted this fact, and I'm ok with it, gives me more time do spends on others games, because, even if I could play all day, i get tired of just playing one type game. This is what I dont understand people get so worked out. This fandom needs to chill and began to view genshin for what it is, a gacha game with open world mechanics.

[@clairdeloona]

This is an idea for a dungeon I came up with while watching another related video, and I decided it would make sense to put this here. You join one of four “adventure teams” and you can play through a random array of enemies in a co-op dungeon against one or all the other teams. First to complete gets 30 primogems, last/other teams if it’s 4 at once instead of 2 get 10 primogems. It would take around ten minutes to do this. You would also get bonuses for doing to most damage in your team or defeating the most enemies, and for the first time you do it every banner (probably a full intertwined fate.) There could also be parts of the domain that includes time trial challenges, like crossing over a gorge of some sort, and you get kicked back if you can’t complete it within the time limit. For the teams that finish early, there will be a bonus challenges rewarding an exquisite chest

[@veenu_1853]

I just wish that we could do spiral abyss in co-op. For me personally, the option to do it with friends or even strangers is better than doing it alone.

[@darekpower]

at this point, just accept the game for what it is, it's not a mmo with hardcore endgame, it's an rpg, that you can play a bit after you finish the story/sidequests/collectathon.

[@darekpower]

@Sukuna Archon it's not an mmo either but people wanna play it like it is. If you just treat it as gacha, then playing 15 min a day should be perfectly fine like most other gacha out there. But clearly GI is a bit more then just a gacha.

[@MrSoso1050]

For real smh is their fault for rushing the game and not touching some grass

[@hello_person22]

@@MrSoso1050 LMAO but yeah you're right 😭

[@crazydog266]

@@darekpower what gacha are you talking about that let you play 15 minutes a day lol. The other gachas like king's raids, epic seven, summoner war,...are extremely competitive with pvp and hours of farming gears. Also a normal rpg would let you finish the story in one go not just 1 hour of story per month.

[@crazydog266]

@@MrSoso1050 The only way to have things left to do after a week is not playing for more than 10 minutes a day. So tell me what do you mean by rushing?

[@arocomisgamusclademork1603]

Could Genshin Impact reduce resin time and cost? Especially explore open world dungeon?

[@KragV]

It's weird for a game that's meant to be played daily and potentially forever not to have some form of end-game content, or even something meaningful to do once you've done your daily/weekly stuff. I've only been playing for a month and a half and aside from login in to do my daily work while waiting months for a banner with character I want, there isn't much else to do.

[@sebotrp]

Heres what i propose: Introduce a tartarus/mementos form persona type of dungeon but infinite. Basically in this mode you will be climbing a never ending tower with each of its floors being randomly generated and The more you progress the more difficult the dungeon becomes. At first the dungeon will be fairly easy but as you climb the enemies will become tougher and enviornmental hazards will be introduced too(for example one floor could be filled with corrosion while another could have permanent burning grass causing you to take fire damage. You can also encounter special "reaper" type of boss that will spawn and chase after you if you spend too long on a single floor. Itll be insanely strong but if you beat it youll get rewarded generously but if you fail youll be forced back to the first floor. Sneaking mechanic will be available for you to use if you decide to avoid combat, but beating enemies will reward you coins that can be exchanged for items and powerups in stores(one spawns every 10 floors) Last but not least there will be major boss blocking your way every 50 floors that you HAVE to beat in order to progress.

[@Rodri34451]

That sounds really cool. They could also put some lore there like Honkai did with Elysian Realm. They could expand more about the past of Khaenri'ah, the archons who participated in the Archon Wars, get to know more about some past legends like Vennessa (the founder of the actual Mondstadt and the Knights of Favonius), or adapt stories that are exclusive to the manga. Like Honkai, Genshin has a lot of lore to exploit.

[@typhir5911]

They have all the elements to make a raid or dungeon in Genshin Impact for endgame players to run through. Look at Destiny, Bungie has utilize mechanics that are found throughout their open world patrol spaces (i.e. passing a ball, standing on the correct plate, defeat x number of enemies to enable a DPS phase on a boss) in their raids. If we do a comparison, the same could be said for Genshin Impact. Roguelike dungeon is definitely a great idea. It was what I had first thought the Spiral Abyss was, until I ran through it for Xiangling and found that it was merely a DPS check on your characters. We have numerous useless domain doors left in the world after you complete them once, they definitely could be repurposed to utilize a roguelike concept. I'll wait and reserve judgment on the upcoming event, but I agree that it should be permanent addition instead of just an event.

[@T_Raffety]

Genshin Impact: On continent *3 of 7* Content creators: “Where is the endgame content?”

[@overhaul8416]

Content creators: “Where is the content?” After speedrunning everything in just a day and streaming for 8 hours everyday lol

[@paraworld-sys]

@@overhaul8416 this ^^^^^^^^

[@wearmeout1]

srsly these youtubers/streamers are starting to get on my nerves lol

[@justaguy3983]

And there is definetly going to be more story after we finish all the continents.

[@evilmiyoho6742]

Yo, normie, endgame content is not related to the storyline. Play some gacha games to know how it works.

[@b.p.70]

The Tsurumi island quest feels like the answer to the staleness of world exploration in late game. Each time you enter again there are respawned chests and by they are furniture chests it’s always exciting to see what you are going to get they should implement the respawn chests to Liyue Mondstat and Dragonspine so there is something new to discover while playing. Putting the chests behind monsters and puzzles made it at least engaging

[@KariMusic0116]

theatre mechanicus is a really fun event that a lot of players enjoy and could definitely be in the game as replayable content and we even got it as an event twice. the same with windtrace but yet they chose to make them limited events. it’s kinda sad

[@v.emiltheii-nd.8094]

I finally got Childe. Third time certainly was the charm.

[@GabrielSantos-el4ir]

Wish they could add a permanent event, like the rhythm event ngl I really love it, and every day, or week they will refresh the rewards for 10-20 primos, and 2 experiences card, and that is fine for me, it’s like adding more chores but more fun because it’s a rhythms you could just relax and play the music while you just press the buttons indeed : )

[@ZtotheMills]

The idea I've had this entire time was a Multiplayer Survival Dungeon that gives customization items as a reward. Things like an item that can be used to copy a weapon's appearance to use as a Skin. -Customization will ALWAYS relevant, and with things like weapon skins, it will motivate players to level up, and pull for new weapons, to get the ascended looks. -Survival based gameplay lets players get more bang for their resin. letting players who WANT to sink in some time, do so. -A Dedicated Multiplayer option allows players to be rewarded for fully building their support characters. Now systems would need to be in place to make it accessible for solo players. as wella s things to balance the levels and enemy difficulty. And mechanics like the rouge-lite aspect of randomized powerups could absolutely be added. with each player selecting 1 every few rounds, while the team possibly gets half of the buff they selected. Like its not perfect, but it'd be fun as hell for a lot of players. I myself would love it since the Meteor event with Fishl is the most fun I've had in this game since release. just tackling waves of enemies with a full party was a blast. and as a Support player, I have little to no reason to actually PLAY supports outside of these kinds of events.

[@mulraf]

i hate the time-based system. it feels like mindlessly just going for more and more dps. and then you always shove your character into the same room and fight against enemies. my ideal endgame content would be to up the difficulty of some parts of genshins world. and put in some really hard sidequests. like i remember at a lower level fighting in that domain with like 4 robots in liyue. or on the island in liyue with 3 robots at the same time. or in that temple in liyue where you would constantly get frozen (yes it was time-based but it was also hard at that level) or in the underground temple in liyue. all in all liyue was kinda cool difficulty wise unlike inazuma which just felt like it didn't get any harder at all (or in fact easier. stuff just got tankier but there's nothing that really dishes out any damage). if they would go more into that direction and just give us some non-trivial bosses that have some different patterns, deal massive damage, have different effects. add some huge battles maybe with a horde of the most difficult 'normal' mobs you can find and throw them somewhere on the map with a huge chest or so. i know it's not infinite. you can do it and be done with it. but as long as they keep pushing harder and harder content eventually there'll come a time where even the biggest whales will struggle. maybe not now, maybe it'd be bearable till fontaine or natlan or so. but somewhere down the line.

[@renouw3358]

they now busy to make dendro elemental reaction and most hardest puzzle for sumeru region while keeping players interest with more new character, simple update and event at inazuma .. i think .. idk lol

[@davidedesalvi8984]

Finally, a serious take on the Genshin “Endgame” content, you make a lot of good points, and give many suggestions as well. If I could show Mihoyo 1 video, this one would be it.

[@decentgrocerybag4003]

It would make sense for this event to be a part of the story. Xinyan is a fun character that deserved some spotlight, and is excellent for giving some more lighter, heartwarming and comedic moments since the last archon quest and world quests have been so deep and eerie. Childe being in inazuma would also make sense. With the Fatui problems in Inazuma (of which i won’t spoil, but are pretty big in the archon quest) it’d make sense for them to send someone, especially someone who is already familiar with the traveler who is to blame for it all. It could’ve been so cool and they just made it a time limited side story to be forgotten…

[@Feraligono]

It does seem to me that they've been iteratively testing new ideas/features with each event for a while now - feeling around for what sticks. Can't say with any certainty that an actual dungeon system is what they're working towards, but I would probably be happy if this ended up being a step towards that.

[@stevem.9340]

Maybe do what Destiny 2 is doing by trying to do a raid or a dungeon that can be played alone or with friends with encounters and mechanics to learn

[@MomoGatito404]

Imagine if we have Decarabian Raid in Genshin with some interesting mechanics like VoG's Oracle

[@DW-fn2mq]

i personally think that the best kind of permanent game play that should be added is fun mini-games like the windtrace event or the games back at the windblum festival, these are fun and not frustratingly hard and could be enjoyable as solo or co-up mood while waiting for resin to refill

[@MrPenetroso]

Honestly, they should add some kind of dungeon system, in which you can solo or co op. You can adjust difficulty to get more rewards and add mini bosses.

[@Jake-is4ei]

Your new mic is very calming :)

[@danyaalshaikh]

I heard a theory somewhere that Mihoyo may be waiting untill all the elements are released so that dendro coming in along after the endgame is implemented wouldn't ruin eberytging

[@kaiser8773]

Don't worry, we already know

[@ricebun4669]

Rushed to reach the end of the game a few months ago since I stopped playing a few days after launch due to tech limitations I had and after a few months of intense catch-up fueled by FOMO I have no idea what to work for now :( Great video, I feel that there could be things added to the game that could be cool for endgame people but my faith is rapidly dwindling

[@juliadofuturo2894]

The only thing about giving better rewards for the highest difficulty tho is that the great amount of f2p and casual players will complain about being too hard and not being able to get all the rewards. Remember the Legend of the Vagabond Sword event? That was hard and the comunnity went crazy about it? So regarding this issue, at this point, MHY has a dilemma, because they listen to a lot of complaints on either path they choose. I would like to have harder content with better rewards but is not easy to please such a diverse community.

[@bullshitchannel5247]

I hate how this aged like a fine wine. cuz I had hope, now its officially killed.

[@mattg6106]

PvP is just a straight no for this game. PvE heavily co-op focused content would be a nightmare due to the crappy server lag. Even doing a regular domain co-op gets a little questionable at times when you're watching one or two of the other players off in a corner attacking the air or having enemies randomly teleport. I highly doubt Mihoyo would be willing to invest more money into their servers or new data centers. As for good single player focused content, why not look at what other games have been doing for years? Diablo 3 implemented an endless dungeon with random enemies and a boss after a certain number of enemies were defeated. Couldn't this be done using the already available one-off domains we have no reason to return to? Add in some kind of leyline crap per floor like in the spiral abyss or give certain characters buffs on certain weeks if you want. Maybe have some rotating artifact sets and/or weapons have chance drops or a material that allows you to re-roll either main stats or sub stats on artifacts. Rotating drops could be a great way to keep people coming back to the content.

[@Gnurklesquimp]

I'm 100% for roguelike elements. I also like dungeons, but would also eventually like a system that rewards wandering the open world, going wherever you feel like and finding some dynamically generated repeatable content. There's so much untapped potential there, that freeform wandering was a huge part of what got me into the game way back when it just released. If they apply the roguelike elements to this, that could be really fun.

[@stickwithit2266]

if they combined labyrinth warriors with something like the vagabond sword event back from 1.6, with an option for a shorter time limit, higher hp enemies or other additional handicaps i feel like it would make the event slightly more future proof (and whale proof i guess)

[@restyignacio5871]

Yeah the Vagabond Sword event from 1.6 was dope. I feel like it could've been a permanent endgame content or something. Or I don't know if they'll have simillar problems like Spiral Abyss, watcha think comrade?

[@linart8555]

Personally I'm not bothered about the lack of endgame content. I'm far behind in the game, and I play on mobile, so trying by hardest to catch up would just be exhausting. I think some games don't need to be rushed

[@liben5052]

True, a lot of games I played that reached endgame turned me off by the end. Though I think little minigames would help hardcore players feel more engaged. Like I wouldn't be mad if they added a permanent theatre mechanicus

[@greenanon8588]

@Sukuna Archon you're a troll why would you think your opinion matter?

[@greenanon8588]

@Sukuna Archon Stand up

[@greenanon8588]

@Sukuna Archon you

[@rexevan6714]

Tbh, as a casual playing on smartphone, genshin suits me. I usually just spend 2-3 hours per day and 5-6 hours during weekend. I play slowly. Genshin has a lot of things to grind for and limited resin helped me to focus which things I need to spend resin for.

[@magatsudreemurr7717]

personally i think the issue runs deep. After i finished spiral abyss once i lost motivation to actually play it even after reset, replaying just to get primos and sometimes never bothered to finish it

[@savaxth7898]

This new event and the Trail of Delicacies one in the Moonchase event would be amazing additions for endgame players who can't really afford to clear the spiral abyss because bad RNG. Even if i had to spend resin to clear them they would be really entertaining weekly events!

[@LostConviction]

The "dedicated" player base (that I pressune it's mostly pc users) seems pretty stupid if they're complaining about this tbh. They're judging a f2p-gacha-"mobile game" as a AAA $60 game. Let's remember that the game is in constant development and that mhy have a 10 year developement plan for it. The game is already very huge considering it's a f2p. So if the dedicated player who gets the 100% of exploration in less than a day want more content, well, before complaining they should be aware of all of this and not act like drama queens about smth that surely will happen but just not right now.

[@LostConviction]

@Otto Apocalypse lmao c'mon you can say something more pathetic. I bet u can lol And learn how to develope an answer newbie

[@LostConviction]

@Otto Apocalypse u always mad otto and not a strong debater lol Anyways u were fun for a bit see ya

[@ylh2019]

@Otto Apocalypse Then try not to drive people off your page.

[@ylh2019]

@Otto Apocalypse Now it is you who're not on everyone else's pages.

[@ylh2019]

@Otto Apocalypse It's called: Don't insult people on the internet without a good reason.

[@DW-fn2mq]

*Deep breath * EVENTS THAT CONTAIN STORY AND LORE SHOULD BE PERMANENT SO NEW PLAYERS CAN ENJOY THEM TOO like seriously the event where they introduce a Fatui harbinger, or the dragon spine and Albedo and much more!!

[@cleuziclei]

yeah, unfortunately Genshin isn't the only one to do this, Fate/Grand Order also has a lot of standalone events and have follow ups events which is worse because forces me to watch the older events on youtube to understand the story of the new event

[@haveagoodday7021]

I feel like this is like Threshold Breach in Honkai. It was a reoccuring but still limited event. A lot of fans loved it and wish it were permanent. So for people who want this event to stay, definitley bring it up in the next survey.

[@anikanele7958]

I feel like there should be a playmode where all characters and weapons are set to the same rank. 1. it would be the same difficulty for new players and endgame players alike 2. You could test new team dynamics, which is more fun than always having the same 4 maxed out chars 3. you can see if a new character is worth pulling for in a bigger variety of situations than just in the test runs, which would give endgame players more incentive to pull for new characters instead of relying on their old team, which means more money for mihoyo! 4. if its fun because you can try new things you dont need to motivate players with high rewards

[@yatagarasu_merui]

I swear if Honkai Star Rail does a better end game content and better in everything in general, it would be a massive slap to the face on the people that use the "Genshin is a newer game" argument...

[@Veelofar]

Why are we complaining about Genshin’s endgame when we aren’t even halfway through the game’s release? Like, there are at least seven chapters, and we’re on chapter 3 (if we include prologue). It’s coming. This is the primary issue with soft releases, is that the advantages are often negated by people expecting the full release and complain as though it is one.

[@overhaul8416]

Yeah Mihoyo really need to ignore these streamers who played an rpg game focused on storylines for 8 hours everyday. I want to get to the next story not fighting monsters for 8 hours everyday

[@ottokallen]

yeah we literally still have 5 more places to visit (if you include khaenriah)

[@lennoxshepherd3905]

And we are likely to get each new region one year at a time, so that still makes us stuck with having no new content to entertain ourselves for a better part of a year every year. Its not conductive to this games life span if all they can do to keep people interested is silly little combat and puzzle events twice a month which is fine for the most casual of players, but its boring the hell out of everyone else. The game needs something to keep the majority of the player base interested in coming on daily basis, like proper multiplayer and co op content for starters.

[@Veelofar]

@@lennoxshepherd3905 you realize you’re in the vocal minority, not the majority, right? Most people don’t have more than an hour to play the game on most days, and i, for one, don’t want to have half the game become locked behind 45 hour grinds that have to be completed within a month like every other mmo out there. This is a great casual game for unwinding after a long day or playing for a while on the weekend, if you want a hardcore game that requires you to spend $3,000 per character that’s worthwhile, instead of a little game where my team of 4 stars can go beat up the boss, there are some of those out there.

[@lennoxshepherd3905]

@@Veelofar nothing I suggested would require anything like that, and I am pretty sure the majority of the playerbase is capable of spending more than an hour a day on average playing this game

[@TempestDivinus]

I wish there were randomized dungeons that you could do where you could get masks and slime stuff and mora and then bosses to cap off areas for bigger rewards like character and weapon ascension materials. Just cuz fighting in the same arena over and over is really getting old even though I've optimized solely for farming. I want to use all these different characters but it takes so long to level characters up to usable status.

[@PositiveSane]

I don't know if this is like end game content but I hope they add a dungeon where every time you clear a stage/floor, you'll get rewarded those Exp bottles but it doesn't cost resin or only very few resin like 5 or 10 and the enemies are random and each time you clear a stage, the enemies' strength, defense and abilities get stronger each floor and the higher the floors, the more likely you'll get hard monsters than just hilichurls and mitachurls and the farther you've completed floors the more chances you get those 4 star exp bottles instead of just the 3 stars

[@brianj.4980]

What you need to understand is that endgame content, or the endgame content that we aspire to, will not come on 2.2. At the very minimum it will arrive at 2.5, even so I believe it will come later than that. Endgame content is not easy to create, yes the game had a year to do this, this cannot be denied, but first and foremost, you need to understand this is not your typical MMORPG. This game was and is for a casual audience. Does the game have grindy elements? Of course, but in a way much more accesible to the casual player base. Is it a gacha? Yes, but unlike many other gacha games, you do not need a specific limited character to beat a level (which you cannot deny is something prominent on gacha games) and in this game you do not need the most powerful character/newest to completely beat the game or its content, we can see this with F2P runs completing Floor 12-3 with 36 stars. Would I like better endgame content? Yes, of course, but the way I see it, 2.2 might test the waters for new endgame content. You can even tell with the bosses, they are not hard at all and this is also an effect on the *spoiler* Childe boss fight we got back in 1.1, many complained the boss was to hard and it was nerfed to the ground (which was very easy before the nerf in my opinion) and new content has been that way as well. Even the big *spoiler* Raiden Shogun final battle which was... (again, in my opinion) lackluster. 2.2 and beyond (we can see the leaks) is giving a new light into new enemies, mechanics, builds and hopefully new permanent/endgame content for the more grind focus and hardcore player base.

[@michaelolegario6399]

Its funny that you say they are targeting casual players too when I'm now realizing from new player friends its anything but. Timegates on the game in regards to events being the main focus is not casual. Like Mihoyo is literally telling new players to rush all the way to Inazuma, raise their AR to like 50, and do all archon quests just to participate in events or miss out on something really good like say the tuna lord or festering desire? Some of my friends are locked out of Kazuha's event because they aren't even close to Inazuma and/or they are now rushing the archon quest. Other gachas I''ve played in regards to their events never force these many restrictions on the player in relation to timegating. Its even more baffling that Mihoyo's other IP, Tears of Themis doesn't have this issue with limited events.

[@withlovemays]

I was so excited for Labyrinth Warriors due to Childe being back, that i totally missed the fact that this could be very well made into end-game content. Who knows, with the elements it's pretty similair to dungeons and maybe Mihoyo's trying to test something out. Imagine one day we could not only do domains and bosses as a team, but run around in dungeons for an hour or so and fight together and collect stuff. I think Genshin would seriously benefit from something like this. So many of my friends have quit, I'm only in 2.2 for Thoma and Childe, others stopped putting money into and there#s barely anyone asking me to play together in contrast to when I joined in April and everyone was into it. Nowadays I barely feel like much people outside of the game talk about it anymore when it used to be the opposite. It's just a dream, but I seriously hope one day we can get something good for end-game. When 2.3 comes and according to the leaks I'll get even more less active. It's literally just do your dailies, condense resin, get shit artfiacts 4-5 times, get some realm currency and bye.

[@ShadowmanX1989]

I think this event could be an experiment to gather data before making it a permanent feature. Some mechanics that were only in event before have now appeared in spiral abyss. So this might be just a test run.

[@TheCheeseman1983]

I really don’t get the complaints about a lack of content at endgame. There are new events to play all the time, that’s our content. Sure, they are time limited, but there’s always new ones to follow, so you get new stuff to do every week or so. I’ve been playing since launch, and I think the amount of content has been quite acceptable, for the type of game Genshin is. I’d much rather they spend their development resources on new areas, like Chasm or Enkonomiya, rather than some Roguelike mini-game that everyone will get bored with after a week.

[@overhaul8416]

Strongly agree

[@TheCheeseman1983]

@Sukuna Archon Eh, I’ve seen much better trolls, I can only give that a 4/10. You got the sanctimonious condescension, but you failed to deliver a really biting personal attack. I mean, “casual conformist”? You can do better.

[@greenanon8588]

@Sukuna Archon 1/10 troll

[@pripripriscilla1897]

I agree, rougelike dungeons are fun and all, but all you do is fight, and for people that isn't combat driven, modes like that gets boring pretty quickly As a honkai player, let me just say that Elysian Realm won't be fun for people that started playing for exploration and such. Elysian Realm is very grindy and heavily gear dependant, esp on the last stage where the refreshable rewards are. I'd prefer if they bring back windtrace and other windblume events. Maybe let us earn special currencies that can be traded for exp books, artifact exp bottles or even mora

[@lennoxshepherd3905]

Personally I think genshin needs proper co op content far more than it needs end game stuff, as getting help with domains and commissions isn't really needed after a certain point and I only keep co oping juat so I can spend time with my friends rather than because I need the help or because its more fun. Dedicated multiplayer/co op game modes is what genshin needs the most at this point as it will give everyone something to constantly come back to more than end game content that try hards and whales will devour within a week of its release than complain about after a month.

[@monthly7846]

RedFlaim is absolutely right in saying that this is an event for casual players again, however, on the flip side, my friend is a casual player and can't even participate in the event bc he doesn't have the time or drive to slog through the entirety of the Inazuma quest line. This event is for casual players sure, but only really old casual players who have completed the game so far which seems to be an oxymoron.

[@lucas-pi1ts]

2 things I want are: 1. Daily gifts you can give to your friends. Most Online games have gifting systems. Daily gifts could be like 1000-1500 Mora, or 3-5 Hero's Wit, or 7-10 Enhancement Ores at random. Max 30 gifts given and to receive per day. 2. Guilds. There's the Adventurer's Guild. Wouldn't it be fun to have domains similar to World Ascension domains. Where like 4 players have to stand on pressure plates together, go to separate paths and meet again in the boss battle, etc

[@iazy47]

Finally someone GI content creators talking about Elysia realm. They actually borrow Elysia realm for upcoming event, but nit making it permanently. In Elysia realm we can infinite amount try out to clear every difficulty. Signed are effected how we to clear each floor.

[@Glacorite]

(Old Opinion) -Labyrinth Warriors is literally just another dull event where you simply set up your characters, quickly beat all the enemies while using whatever 1 new mechanic that makes these events feel "Distinct".- -And most of the time, it's just a mini Spiral Abyss since you'll have to beat them within a time limit.- -I'm getting very sick of them, I wished they could be more Unique but faithful enough to the element and combat system like Theater Mechanicus.- -I also really wish they created a Rogue-like Gamemode that you mentioned in the video. So I can ACTUALLY have fun using other party members, instead of being forced to use nothing but the Highest DPS characters.- UPDATE (21/10): So turns out this event doesn't have a time limit, which is nice. And it does give you activated abilities and Charms to use. But so far, the only real threats here are the Cursed Seals. Other than that, your Spiral Abyss Teams will STILL do just fine here. So it's nothing too special, yet. Edit: When I said "Nothing too special, yet", I meant to say that this event doesn't really encourage you to adjust your Main DPS team, or create new teams suited for these specific events. But since there's a bunch more events to go, we might get to make use of some new and fun Environmental Obstacles like those Domain flamethrowers. I'm excited for that. But I'm sorry this came out wrong, I didn't mean to say I'm too strong for these events to be fun, or this event is just a waste of my time. I'm actually enjoying this event a lot

[@creamybunny_]

idk but big damage/highest dps isnt everything? sure the big numbers show a sign of success in building a character and I'm not sure what your playstyle is but imo it seems like you're boxing urself in by saying that you're being forced to use highest dps? again my view could be different because i am a casual player

[@Glacorite]

@@creamybunny_ I can see how Characters which provids Shields and heal your Team allow you to attack more frequently, but most of the time you're giving up a huge portion of your Damage output such that you become unable to kill bosses and enemies in time. I really hope Mihoyo will look into this and rebalanced them to make them more viable for these events. Because I think they're fun to use.

[@gridlock1637]

And this is why the community will never be happy. MHYO tries fun interesting events that don’t require fighting, “this event is lame, I want to fight stuff”. MHYO tries out a unique rogue like that requires you to fight, “ I want interesting events that don’t require fighting since I’m too strong”. The hell do you guys want then?!

[@Glacorite]

@@gridlock1637 Sorry, I didn't mean that. Please read my new edit

[@junyew1813]

I'm thinking of some kind of soul knight gameplay. The only thing affecting your gameplay would be the characters u have and whatever buffs u stack inside the game itself. At the start u choose 4 characters as ur party. They will all start at lvl 0, with a basic weapon (1* or 2*) and no artifacts. As u progress through the randomized dungeon they'll level up and then u can find chests with potentially better weapons/artifacts for ur team And of course monsters get stronger every level. Ur reward is calculated in primos by how far u went down (and ofc u keep ur mora from your lil massacre, which will likely be kept separate so that u can use mora u earned during the game in some shop system) or they can use some other currency for conversion. And like soul knight this can work in coop too. (Also go ahead and try soul knight its made by another Chinese company which specializes in roguelites It's really fun and there's constantly new updates with new weapons, areas for dungeon levels and gimmicks added.)

[@battleax10]

a mode i always wanted to see in genshin was something akin to the firefight mode in the halo series, just hold out as long as you can solo or with a 4 person squad, limited lives, or buffs/debuffs the host can choose.