2 Clicks Out: 135 vs 235 pound Rider (60 vs 105 kg) Suspension Setup Intro

INTRO: full video here davemosstuning.com/2-clicks-o...
Using the 2019 Kawasaki ZX-6R as the example. Same motorcycle, same year, same stock suspension, but riders with a 100 pound (45 kg) weight difference. No motorcycle's suspension off the showroom floor is setup correctly for any rider much less every rider.

[@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985]

It’s a shame manufacturers don’t offer an interactive setup page so we can all get the most out of these incredible machines. Until then, we have talent like Dave, but he is just one man

[@evilzinabyssranger5695]

BUT they should put a few generic setups for the riders cause m 125 pound guy so most of the bikes have a lot of bounce for me and i have to use less pressure than most of the people otherwise, tires get too hard for me.

[@L3THALXFOX]

I dont understand why if your not good enough to get these bikes. To squeeze it all out you need to build the skill. What's the point if you haven't done that?

[@AntaresSQ01]

Interestingly Mountain bike manufacturers do just that, ideal, middle of the way settings for pressure in the air forks and shocks as well as corresponding compression and rebound settings

[@corail53]

@@AntaresSQ01 They set up as middle of the road but it is a night and difference if you ever go to a tune day on the mountain and get them set up correctly for you.

[@AntaresSQ01]

@@corail53 Not much point in "tuning it for you" unless you run the same track all the time, techy stuff I'm 3 clicks out of 10 on comp, 4/7 on rebound, jump lines I'm 6/10 on comp, 2/7 on rebound on forks for example, also run higher pressures tyre and shock + fork if I'm gonna do a full day of jumps. Setup depends on way too many variables to get a "perfect answer" so just use guidelines like mine, OR if you don't know what you're doing, or you're out on a mixed day, then manufacturers recommended is usually bang on for versatility, maybe a click either way depending on personal preferences.

[@joshdeb]

This guy is the best thing on the planet I've learned so much, total respect 🇬🇧

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Many thanks for leveraging the content!

[@worldhello1234]

Don't be a leg humper. Dave Moss is a great chap but far from Jesus.

[@PaulMappud]

@@worldhello1234 :... but I have seen him work a few miracles... ... ...

[@WhyDidYTstartThisHandleShit]

We need 20 Daves all over the country.. And 20 in each developed country.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Thanks - hopefully sharing the videos will be the start of the replication process so riders that understand can "pay it forward" by helping out or directing riders to my channel.

[@somestuffithoughtyoumightl6985]

Dave Moss Tuning Always sharing your name Sir

[@WhyDidYTstartThisHandleShit]

@@CatalystReactionSBW tried to do my part, I was the one to let you borrow the black 2015 R1 a few years back so you could figure out what we should do with it =D

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@WhyDidYTstartThisHandleShit aha! Thank you for continuing to support what I do while increasing your own knowledge

[@ty-rant]

..@justme at 1:45 "Now I am heavier and quicker" sounds like a humbled man... definitely need a few more of him:) definitely would feel better about myself and my abilities riding when under his reign and would definitely want his hands on my bike!!!!!!!

[@RickyJr46]

Before attending Dave's tuning session in Thousand Oaks last week I had given up on finding a good balanced setup and was ready to buy an aftermarket shock and springs. But a few minutes under the DMT tent answering his questions then making adjustments put this motorcycle RIGHT. The front - rear balance he obtained with stock suspension is remarkable. Controlled and still compliant. More confidence, more fun, more chores getting put off because I wanna go riding!

[@JestersAverage2]

Guy works his ass off at sanoma. Non stop bikes and he nails it at every level. Great man

[@Invis_Space]

Ah ha! Another on point video. Looking forward to watching the full video with my morning coffee tomorrow. 🙏🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@djmarioliva143]

Im watching dave moss videos over and over again...

[@Gambo916]

Great quote in the intro Dave............"No motorcycle's suspension off the showroom floor is setup correctly for any rider much less every rider". That is something I realise more and more with every one of your vids I watch.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Thanks - and getting it set for you makes a profound difference with ergo's and suspension :)

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

to Max VA Disability - I cannot access your comment. So here is your reply: set fork preload with 4 lines showing and damping at 6 clicks from maximum. Use a cable tie to get fork travel at 10-20mm from the bottom of the chrome tube via preload.

[@slipstreamperformance5151]

Informative as always! Respect from India.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Thanks for watching!

[@maciejasz78]

I'm not even sure what I'm doing here. I have a fairly new KTM Duke 125, which I can barely ride and I was just wandering if I should touch the default preload setting on the shock (the only setting there is), because I'm lighter than average, I think. So I was looking around the internet, stumbled across Dave’s videos here and on the OTT channel and watched dozens already including some GSX-R750 disassembly. It’s fascinating :). I'm definitely going to recommend the MT-07 fork fix video to my colleague, who has one. Great stuff.

[@ohwowawesomegreat]

You look like a top notch motorbike coach here. Good common sense explanations. Nice work, thanks for the vid. Liked and subbed.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Thank you for subscribing. There's a lot of videos to leverage here and take one topic at a time.

[@ohwowawesomegreat]

@@CatalystReactionSBW so I see! This is a great find.

[@theboat9311]

Dude should have 1 mil subs, everybody not subing doing this man an injustice

[@fujzokretencina7536]

Sub to what, 2 min video where you do not learn anything except get a commercial of how good he is...

[@strokerta1986]

He would get WAY more views and subscribers offer full length videos with actual content... These videos are basically just a waste of time.

[@tomanycooks]

love this channel mate. I'm a member on your site. would love to see a suspension tune on a late z650 please

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Thanks for the kind words! When we find one we will film it.

[@streetbaron]

What tire pressure is good for Daytona 675 r on track for 90 kg guy? U have great channel

[@JoshWhitford91]

I think kawasaki may have heard you, adjusting my z900 was easy!

[@2dollarkevin]

Kilograms, now we're talking.! Greetings from Mexico.!!

[@jimrolt9307]

the screwdriver and hammer method, I love it! :)

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Sometimes brute strength just will not make the rings move, so while I absolutely hate using the hammer and drift, if it needs to be done so I can do the job, that's what I have to do.

[@jimrolt9307]

@@CatalystReactionSBW A nice brass drift would be great, but that wasn't what I saw!😅

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@jimrolt9307 That is correct -I did not have it with me at that event.

[@rolty1]

@@CatalystReactionSBW I guess we've all been there!

[@VuTang01]

Yeah I bought a spammer wrench for my z900. Waste of money and it scratched my frame. Should have just used lube, a screw driver and a mallet in the first place.

[@rcbimolegbo7593]

As always great info, thanks! I also ride Bridgestone S22 since a month now, but i noticed that the tire pressure at maximum load increased to 42psi for the front tire. All my previous front tires where rated at 36psi as a standard from the manufacture, but now it has gone up 6 psi. Is something changed in the Bridgestone front tire technology? Since the rear tire remains the same as always (42psi)

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

The change is in the design and build of the carcass. For example, the Pirelli GT II I use more pressure in the front than the rear as the carcass is softer.

[@rcbimolegbo7593]

@@CatalystReactionSBW Yes i know, some brands are stiffer/softer from carcass and needs indeed other pressures. But i meant for the same sort of tire in it's class (hyper/ supersport, touring). I ride 12 years on Bridgestone with the same bike, and always used the super/hypersport tire that was available at that time. And always was the rating 42psi rear and 36psi front. But now the markings on the front 'say' 42psi. And that makes me wonder what changed, if the tire performs indeed the same at 42psi but with less wear. (For street use) Many people here drop there tire pressure way off for street riding, they say that you have more grip/contact patch and the rating on the tire is way to high I find that hard to believe why such a huge brand as Bridgestone would advise a tire pressure that's to high at the cost of grip, especially because there goal is to sell tires, so in fact the opposite should make more sense.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@rcbimolegbo7593 If the manufacturer increases pressure it is due to design changes in construction and carcass. A softer carcass needs higher pressure. As they designed the tire and recommend the pressure, there is a good reason to believe that grip is not reduced by higher pressure as per my testing with the Pirelli Angel GTII.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

I run 40 rear and 42 front cold on the GTII

[@othmaned]

Dave Moss Tuning would that apply to the GT’s as well or only the GT 2’s?

[@jrcastrorwc]

I didn't catch street riding psi on the heavier rider. I'm around 240lbs riding an 16 r6. Just curious about the psi for street riding from a real pro. Great vids

[@derekmalcom8302]

Yeah same here that’s what I was trying to catch

[@tomanycooks]

the guru

[@shadowboybass]

hy Dave .. i realy like your videos. i ned a litle help ..i have a 2021 cb650r and i cant rode my front whel is like 2 cm each side but the rear whel is just fin i rode all rubber of the whell ... the rear suspension is a clasic whit 10 nivel spring compresion ..... the front fork is not ajustable ..

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

This is because of tyre profile and shape. You use all the rear but not the front as it is a very different shape.

[@Apollo-Computers]

What tire pressure do you suggest, 125 lbs, r1m with the rs10 tires, preload is as soft as possible in rear, and like two turns in on front. No other adjustment on suspension (road 1 semi active)

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

The RS10 is a very hard tire and with your light weight, 32psi front and rear cold for the street. You can also test 30/30psi cold to see which pressure gives a smoother ride. If you are very aggressive, the minimum pressure would be 34psi cold front and rear

[@Apollo-Computers]

@@CatalystReactionSBW awesome thank you. It's a mix between very aggressive and cruising, and I like the bike being nimble, the roads in CT are complete shit. I have almost 2k miles on it, and before I adjusted the preload the bike would kill me after an hr. It is starting to cool down a lot here.

[@Apollo-Computers]

@@CatalystReactionSBW Oh and another question, would the right fork left being .5mm higher then the left leg in the top triple clamp cause the bike to want to pull to the right? I noticed that it wants to go to the right when i let go of the bars completely? I just thought it was the roads. I do have the head lift front stand from pitbull but i have never adjusted fork height before.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@Apollo-Computers I set forks to be within .1 of a millimeter of each other. To move the forks, wtch this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6CZh2uJiZxln5I

[@utuber4u1]

I live in NYC , where are you located DMT ?

[@vigneshg129]

Hey Dave I have a doubt about my duke suspension. My bike ground clearance is not enough for me(in India) 155mm. so i decided to tight my rear shock absorber. I thick it may help me to prevent from hitting in speed breakers.when I raid with pilion it hits always,without pilion it doesn't hit.if I tight the suspension to 10th step, it reduce the issue and also affect the suspension life???????

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Yes, that would be correct. Also make sure that the forks are flush with the upper triple clamp. You will also need .3 bar more with passenger fornt and rear minimum.

[@vigneshg129]

@@CatalystReactionSBW sorry i can't understand plz explain.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@vigneshg129 Position 8, 9, 10 test for a pillion. Add more air front and rear tyres for a pillion, 3-4psi

[@vigneshg129]

@@CatalystReactionSBW thanks Dave. I will try this method.

[@vigneshg129]

@@CatalystReactionSBW ❤ from 🇮🇳.

[@angelrivas6599]

I have a 22 sportster s and I feel like it’s too stiff on the highway it feels like I have no suspension it feels super bouncy like if it’s just hopping everywhere I tried adjusting my preload and damping from Harley’s manual to there recommendations but I feel it didn’t help 😭can someone help 😢

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Just emailed you!

[@sn00pgreen]

so I went and checked my old fazer 600..oh dear, no chance..is there nothing worse than budget suspension?

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Fresh fork oil alone will make a huge difference. Rear shock will need to be swapped: www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=fazer+600+rear+shock+swap

[@hinglee6645]

Hi Dave For me my bike is 2017 zx636 use tyre S22 and my weight is around 80kg how much for front and rear tyre pressure?

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

All depends on climate /temperatures, how you use the bike during the week, on weekends and if you are recreational or aggressive. I would suggest 36/36psi cold front and rear.

[@hinglee6645]

Okay! Thanks Dave!

[@dont3780]

I would love this service! Are you still providing then?

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Remote Tuning? That is my primary work load today in helping riders globally via email or 1-1 video. Do you have an email I can send my questions to? I look forward to working with you!

[@aomori8668]

What if I want to take into account my backride to the adjustment

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Set up for solo and record the settings. Then put the passenger on and assess fork and shocj sag. Generally the shock is far too soft, so fix that first once optimized, check fork sag. Adjust air pressure to accommodate by 2-4psi cold over the solo settings and ride. Assess travel used in the forks and shock(s) and adjust preload as needed.

[@user-ob5ss8xk1b]

i have a cb650r from 2022 , i'm 95kg heavy , but riding with the stock spring setup , what should i do? :)

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

15w fork oil immediately to the same volume you extract, preload at 2 steps from maximum. Cold pressure at 38-40psi.

[@user-ob5ss8xk1b]

@@CatalystReactionSBW is there anyway to what'sapp you ? payment no issue :)

[@Ark86125]

I have gsx s750 its have only preload adjustment my weight 86kilos without gear How much sag should i set up for track day?

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

30-35mm front and rear for this motorcycle would be your target sag. Put a cable tie on the right fork chrome tube to see how much travel you use.

[@Ark86125]

@@CatalystReactionSBW the cable tie its to check how much the suspension close when i brake hard?

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@Ark86125 that is correct so if you have to emergency brake, you know there is more travel left to stop the rear wheel leaving the ground,

[@vadergrd]

whos here for the 235 pounds setup :D?? me first! 99.9k subscribers! loged! legend the advice for tyre pressure regarding the debris! what haeppens when the tyre pressure is too high?

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Thanks! Pressure is too high = harshness over bumps as the tire is not compliant.

[@Tariqamini]

I love bmw s1000rr but seat height is a little bit height and I'm 170 cm. Is it possible to lowar bike like 2 cm?😊

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Yes, it is not a problem to lower a bike as long as you realize that ground clearance will be less and suspension needs to be slightly stiffer than normal. www.motorcycleid.com/bmw-s1000rr-lowering-lift-kits/

[@Tariqamini]

@@CatalystReactionSBW thank you sir for replying back.. i really appreciate, and I'm your big fan ❤

[@Illness.og.]

I weight 145 so very close to that guys weight.

[@Lon3wolf13]

My RE Continental Gt650 cafe has a buttery uneven forks.that wobbles when I corner, like a lot! Bouncy

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Sooooo.... what fortk oil are you going to upgrade to? 15, 20, 30?

[@Lon3wolf13]

Already change to Motorex 10w from RE service station. Service manual says standard level is around 473 ml each tube. But after draining the old fork oil its only around 350ml. So the service guy fill up 500 ml on each tube and says I adjust it according to my liking later, which I haven't done yet. By the way Dave Im around 68kg to 70kg give or take. Thanks for the reply

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@Lon3wolf13 At 350ml you will get a lot of fork movement and not much braking support. 500ml would work for your weight. How old is the oil by time/odometer reading?

[@Lon3wolf13]

I got the bike on the 27th of May this year and the odometer reading is about 2700 plus kms when the fork oil was service. Its a bit stiff for me and for my weight still. Probably gonna go10ml down on both forks and see what happens. Initially when I brought the bike home from the dealer, I felt the wobbling more when I corner to the right and not when I corner on the left. Thanks for your informative videos here on KZbin Dave. I hope you can get more research on the internal components of the Royal Enfield Gt650/Int 650's in the future for our referrence... Thanks....

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@Lon3wolf13 Thanks for the update, appreciate you watching and supporting what I do for riders worldwide!

[@joshuam2154]

Why different tire pressure for the street vs. the track??????

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Street is about longevity, grip and bump compliance with inconsistent surfaces. Track is about contact patch, grip and a generally very flat surface plus much faster speed and less concern for longevity. Manufacturer provides recommended pressures for street and track to start from, then we find waht we need for ourselves based on our skill, speeds and road matched with seasonal temps.

[@joshuam2154]

@@CatalystReactionSBW Thanks for the great info!

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

@@joshuam2154 my pleasure!

[@AntaresSQ01]

"kawasaki never made shock adjustments easy" **me with my 2011 ER6f with the side mounted shock and adjustor in clear sight**: hmmmm All joke aside, another brilliant video

[@wobblysauce]

Ha, same but 2010... Had to up the front oil and lower the preload on the rear for me.

[@AntaresSQ01]

@@wobblysauce Yea same, It's actually pretty decent once u put harder oil in and softer rear, bike moves as one and takes corners like a champ

[@wobblysauce]

@@AntaresSQ01 Feels and rides like a different bike.

[@Stratocasterhead51]

Have a 2020 636. Can confirm the rear shock is an absolute nightmare to adjust. On the other hand the Seperate function forks are a doddle… so yeah. You win some, you lose some i guess

[@chromaticnomadic]

I especially like Dave because of his mask less attitude.

[@supreme53]

You should give online education mehchanics all over the world

[@paulhennessey3454]

Huh ... 67 bikes a day?

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

At events, some days are 60, some are 10-25. Then I tune 4-6 bikes a day online every day as a minimum. That can add up pretty quickly ovre the course of a year.

[@paulhennessey3454]

@@CatalystReactionSBW that's a lot of experience we get to tap into! Looking forward to getting stuck into the subscribed content ✌🏻

[@qman1434]

Dude, a ball-peen hammer and a screwdriver?

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

If the C spanner's do not work, the drift and hammer have to.

[@qman1434]

@@CatalystReactionSBW I'm a machinist so I use no-mar tooling. Brass works best for me as a drift. I also use a bronze hammer. Love and recommend your channel.

[@okboomer1241]

@@qman1434 The collars are aluminum and brass is still 50% to 100% harder than aluminum. Marring's gonna happen.

[@qman1434]

@@okboomer1241 It is a little bit harder but not quite 50 to 100%. 360 brass is 80 in 2024 T3 aluminum is 75. Then we have to get in to tensile strength and ultimate strength. It may do a little bending but a screwdriver will tear into it. A screwdriver will Mar hardened steel eventually. Even 12 L 14 will Mar hardened steel. On the other hand, he may lunch the bike on the next lap so it won't matter anyway.

[@GrizzlyDaddams]

Im 5-10 270 freedom units (stalky, certainly not obese). Tf am I supposed to do?😂

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Use weight as the first criteria for the base setting. Once that is done you can ride and then please assess fork and shock travel used once you set sag so (videos are available on each of those topics).

[@rushtk2112]

I'm 666 on here

[@paulsimpson2232]

Dave I've noticed face masks .wheres yours chap you need to protect yourself. Keep safe!

[@bbs5400]

face masks don't protect you at all, they protect other people from you

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

California at events where face masks are required due to Covid 19

[@crf450rbulletdavid9]

@@bbs5400 regular facemasks aren't designed to keep anyone safe from viruses. Look up south Korea face mask study. Its pretty good.

[@bbs5400]

@@crf450rbulletdavid9 as far as I'm aware, that's not true. Masks have been used for a very very long time to protect the healthy from the sick. It's kind of contradictory but that's why doctors wear masks when coming into the room of someone who doesn't have a working immune system, because they wouldn't be able to fight off bacteria and viruses that everyone else can if they contract them

[@bbs5400]

@Semper Fi they use them to protect the patients with low/no immune systems

[@strokerta1986]

These videos are basically just a waste of time... If you want views and subscribers you need full length videos with actual content. This isn't 2005, trying to get people to move over to another site to pay for content isn't a very good strategy. You would be alot better off offering more complete content and then advertising your in person services.

[@marksaunto2588]

I don’t get this guy, watching him throw out reccomendations for a range of bikes and riders offers no useful information for those wanting to understand the steps necessary to go through when setting up suspension. His videos are basically just an add for his services.

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

Did you look at the free full length video playlist? Introductions are exactly that with nuggets in there for leverage.

[@Daz533]

Total bollocks

[@aracecar4627]

Im 265 so im assuming i should just max it all out? Lol

[@CatalystReactionSBW]

In principle, set at 80% towards maximum and set cold pressures at 40-44 front and rear. Assess fork and shock travel used and see if you bottom out, then add more preload.