2 G.Skill DIMMs on a MEG z790 Godlike Build! What Difference Does it Make?

Featuring Intel's 13900k CPU, theMSI MEG z790 Godlike and G.Skill F5-7200J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK aka g.skill z5 7200
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[@daveyks1]

I love watching Wendell introduce his new significant other...the power supply. They make a cute couple.

[@agenericaccount3935]

A power couple, even.

[@toseltreps1101]

it's electro-cute

[@ThatKoukiZ31]

FSP has also been in the business and been quality for 20 years. Back around 2004 I would convert their 350w psus into rc power supplies. My dad and I would paint the cases, add led lit fans and fan grills with designs and tabs to hookup power. I know of 2 that still get regular use and possibly 3. One of them has had almost weekly use since I sold it to the guy. Hes probably only using 100-130w of 12v power at max, but still very impressive.

[@greggmacdonald9644]

Thanks for the info on FSP, I'll check them out for my next build. Now, what I really want to know is how the faster memory impacts Civ 6 Turn times! Get on it, Wendell :)

[@Lonestar166]

Greetings from Toronto. This was the first time I have watched one of your videos. I totally enjoyed it. You have a new subscriber.

[@JKHYT]

You da man Wendell, merry Christmas to you and the L1 team ✌

[@Marc.Google]

Hot pink cables paired with the white on the Meshify case would be a pretty 🔥combo.

[@tek_soup]

thats a Baller system, i got the Z590 godlike, 128 gigs and a i9-11900k love it.

[@fredEVOIX]

I'm the guy who made the 4090 for 1080p thread in lv1 forums ;) I must say I'm pretty jealous of those numbers 290 and 300+ borderlands 3 thats much more than me with 3600 ddr4 but...I'm still not going ddr5 maybe in next gen when they have fixed the "ddr5 controller lottery"

[@josephkelly4893]

Beast of a system Wendell, well done

[@Accuaro]

8:47 I think you showed the wrong model, there is no PCIe5.0 connector shown? Isn't it supposed to have sensor pins below? Please correct me if I'm wrong

[@noenken]

8:30 Air freshener in "Good PSU" and "Magic Smoke" on the store when?

[@airman_85uk]

would love to see you look at the EVGA Z790 Classified they released today! They claim cleaner signaling for DDR5 so maybe better OC for 4 slots?

[@ChatGTA345]

This

[@datapro007]

The latency of the G.Skill is not remarkable in my view. The transfer speeds are. CL34 @ 7200 = 17 @ 3600, so what?

[@Kai_O_Cad]

Please do undervolting video on intel 13900k, for me it works magic

[@AS-dt4sc]

Do you still have this board? If you do, can you add a cpu and see if you go into bios and if there is an option for IGPU within bios? It could end the debate about if there is any IGPU capability on this board. Msi tech said it is a hidden feature in bios.

[@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432]

Hey Wendell, can you try p95 smallest ffts with that kit? I am wondering if cooling the 13900K would be possible at all.

[@__aceofspades]

Intel is so far ahead of AMD in DDR5 speed support, but even DDR5-7200 is just scratching the surface of what Z790 and Raptor Lake can do. G-skill already has DDR5-8000 kits than can overclock to 10,000, on air, and obviously only using Raptor Lake and Z790.

[@gensys244]

Hum never expanded on lcd panel on mb. Didnt really talk about setting on bios for memory setting just the memory out of box performance.

[@grant-is]

Autumn, you quelled my fears!

[@benjamintrathen6119]

Hooray for Wendell's credit card!!

[@Bayonet1809]

Just because the Z690 Unify does not list support for that speed memory does not mean it would not work. In fact, seeing as the Unify is a 2 dimm board it would likely clock the memory higher than even the Z790 Godlike.

[@deanhollandjr1987]

Now it doesn't

[@personaldronerepair6141]

GSkill won me over on my first build. Hey, there's an idea for a good show. My First PC Build

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

Each 12 pin PCIe cable is rated to 600W, so it makes sense that a 1200W PSU only has one. There are partner 4090s with 2 connectors that use 800W that would run fine on this, but you wouldn't want to tempt someone to run dual 4090s or maybe a hypothetical overclocked 4090Ti that actually needs 1000+W on its own.

[@shizo_n01z3]

But i wanna use all the power

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@shizo_n01z3 600W GPU with transients that far exceed that, plus an overclocked modern CPU burning 300W is already 900W even before factoring in the motherboard, DDR5, M.2 and potential spinning rust. You can always run a second 12 pin off of dongles, but I can see why they would be reluctant to encourage it directly.

[@tst6735]

The All Knowing Wendell 👌

[@cybersecuritydeclassified4793]

You go Wendall!

[@pepe8196]

Hello sir, I'm having a hard time finding a reliable, well-constructed motherboard without going with a top-tier board and true DDR5 support. Any recommendation? The Meg is too much for my budget

[@stuartlunsford7556]

I just realized...we've never had a pure Anthony/Wendell duo collaboration. Maybe everyone is worried they would just take over the world...

[@spiceyfrenchtoast9421]

Wendell has officially gone off the rails. Someone send help!

[@jaxxarmstrong]

Ryan needs to cut Wendell off from the PCP o.O

[@user-dz2me8ee2o]

First Intel system that sparked my interest since the 486 😁

[@Ghostdance86]

I've got a quick question: why does that motherboard have 7 NVME slots, when most processors going into it would only support one 4x when running with a GPU? I mean, even the 13900K you have there claims 1x16+4 or 2x8+4 for its 20 PCIe lanes. Older platforms were even worse. So, what's the plan behind all those slots? Run a bunch of them at 2 lanes each in a headless config?

[@zacharytaylor8523]

The CPU and chipset on modern boards actually has alot more lanes than you would think. Motherboard venders have been segmenting boards by basically limiting the number of lanes exposed to the user from the chipset. If you see a Z790 board with only 3-4 NVMe slots it's because they are sandbagging the number of lanes they are exposing from the chipset. The Godlike boards has 5 of its NVMe slots off the chipset. with another one from the dedicated 4x PICe 4 lanes meant for an SSD from the CPU and the seventh slot is from the PCIe 5 lanes off the CPU It's kinda scummy the way they do this IMO.

[@deanhollandjr1987]

I have a similar system z790 godlike,4090 Supreme liquid x, tforce 7200mhz ddr5, and msi 1000watt atx 3.0 psu how ever when I enable xmp with 32gb of ddr5 to 7200,mhz my games freeze and stop running. Do you think it's a power delivery issue meaning 1000watts is not enough or do you think I need to adjust the timing of my ram

[@jordanjack4629]

I actually haven't kept up with new PC parts this time around, so I wasn't aware that there were stability issues with DDR5 at high speeds and capacity. I've been looking to build a new workstation and try to future proof it for the next few years, so I was planning to pick up 128GB of DDR5-5600 CL28. In addition, the rig is going to be running Fedora, so does that make support worse? Is this just not possible at this point in time? The Asus ProArt board that I was going to pick up lists DDR5-5600 as a native speed, not an overclock, which it says starts at 5800MT/s on this board. If this isn't possible, what are my options? Thanks in advance for any help. Been out of the loop for a few years now.

[@СусаннаСергеевна]

Running four sticks is going to be problematic. Even if you can get it to boot the performance is garbage. My ProArt boots four sticks of 64GB-5600 memory at 6000, but the training takes ages each boot and performance is more like if the sticks were running at 4800. It also strangles L3 cache performance. If you just want lots of high bandwidth memory, get an EPYC or a Threadripper. Each DIMM will get its own channel, and while the performance per DIMM is lower because of DDR4, in practice the system as a whole will be much faster. Lower end Threadripper isn’t even that much more expensive than a 7950X.

[@fredEVOIX]

in 11 months I've built a 12900k z690 ddr5 6000 a 7950x x670e ddr5...4800(2dimms) 3600 (4dimms) and I ended up in december buying a z790 ddr4 motherboard I wasted 11 months with instability and impossibility to run 4 dimms (g.skill, corsair 4x never worked on z690) and on amd all I got was 4800 2 dimms and 3600mhz 4dimms (which is really bad for ddr5) my current 4 dimms ddr4 z790 13900 worked day1 and gave me the best gaming experience by FAR, avoid ddr5 like the plague the forums of owners are filled with problems...it's 2 sticks or nothing don't even think about running 4 dimms, even if it boots like the comment above me says it will run horribly, my current 4 dimms 3600 ddr4 is the best I've seen a computer do ever in my life and I've built almot 30 pcs this far...and it still does 40k cbr23 so it's not like it's slow

[@rodackor]

@@fredEVOIX great to hear this, which motherboard type z790 DDR4 do you recommend, it crossed my mind that this appears to be the only solution for me to get that 13900k and my 128 Gb of RAM I am used to. I read that the memory controller was downgraded by ADM and Intel , maybe to segment market between corporate and gamers

[@WTP_DAVE]

I just got a seasonic focus 1000w to try and resolve some issues i think are transient, i wanted to wait for the new 12vhpr psu but i went XTX anyway so i dont neeeed it exactly

[@WTP_DAVE]

@Robert Smith Literally since posting this the vertex came out and i was able to cancel my focus and get a vertex just in time holy crap, thank god i signed up for email notifications

[@shadowarez1337]

Had this issue with a sick build I sold awhile back a 7980Xe and the Asus Apex x299 it was a odd shape and did not like my Phanteks Case but I found out flat usb 3 internal header cables exist save the case from some Dremel work and repainting interior.

[@itsdeonlol]

That mobo is INSANE!!!

[@ParisLondonRoma]

I keep hoping to see more external type-C connectors. My phones and WD Ultra external drives are all USB-C, and so are all my crummy $10 earbuds off slickdeals. Seems like USB-C connectors on PCs are still in pioneer phase. Oh well at least I have PCIe 4.0 which doesn't much different from 3.0 but I can pretend for now as I get ready for 5.0

[@b2bb]

papa wendell loves RGB too _engagement_

[@ryanbrowning5586]

Im building my new system. Have the 13900k, godlike and 4090 suprim. Can you please tell me what case you used. I heard it was the Fractal Meshify... I'm assuming the Meshify 2. Did you have any issues with the board fitting? Is the case the XL or just the meshify 2. Please help

[@Level1Techs]

Meshify 2 white. You will hsve to reconfigure the tray thing where drives mount

[@ryanbrowning5586]

@@Level1Techs OK thanks man!!!

[@glorence330]

I still don't understand why bundle WiFi in a board with 2.5/10g nics.

[@starwolf7365]

You mentioned the throughput for 2 DIMMS of DDR5 for the Intel platform. What about AMD? Asking as I'm looking at constructing 7950X machines at the office for Yocto development. And this whole 4 DIMMS needing to be clocked at a much lower rate is kinda putting me off. I'd genuinely be interested is build performance difference in a scenario of having 2 and 4 DIMMS but also seeing the difference between Intel and AMD. I know for a fact the 7950x would be faster and consume vastly less power than the 13900K. But I am interested in this specific situation regarding RAM.

[@Level1Techs]

Did exactly.that video eith 4 dimms a couple weeks ago. Check it out

[@KarlRosner]

I just want ram to be easier to operate at full tilt, it should just auto overclock without having to go into the bios :(.

[@danielabbott9312]

Lol I upgraded from a 12900ks to a 13900k just because, I figured why not ? Life is too short not to have the things you want.

[@andrewlong7578]

Does FSP make their own power supplies? Seems an awful lot like a rebadged Seasonic.

[@zacharytaylor8523]

What gives you the idea it's a seasonic?

[@JoshuaG]

7200mhz ?! did i read that right ? dammnn, crazy how RAM gotten this fast

[@logandeathrage6945]

Or Server-side Manufacturers like FSP Group could omit the Unicorn Vomit and make people like me happy.

[@J.O.R_BR_Overclocking]

So what’s the max speed w/ 2 Dimms!?

[@herrskymarshall]

Trending into ASMR content with this video, 😆

[@craigcasper6689]

I thought exactly the same thing...

[@rosspettid6555]

Please Raid 0 that Board ! would love to see that

[@LackofFaithify]

Everyone knows all you have to do to make it go faster is make it red.

[@owlmostdead9492]

I really dislike the trend of taking away PCIE slots in favour of single use m.2 slots. I'd rather have all the PCIE slots which I can adapt to anything I need for my use case.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

The thing is you can't use the 4 slots sitting underneath your 5 slot 4090Ti (we all know it's coming), but you can use the M.2 slots, so while you and I still like having PCIe slots it does make sense in the overall market to move towards M.2 over PCIe. If it makes you feel better it's not too hard to break out M.2 back to PCIe, and there are side benefits (broader PCIe bifurcation support, larger number of reasonable bandwidth slots rather than 2 x8 and everything else x1, etc)

[@owlmostdead9492]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 I can and it’s called watercoling, if you’re air-cooling a 5000+ system you either don’t know what you’re doing or you exactly know what you’re doing and in both cases PCIE is preferred

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

@@owlmostdead9492 I'm just describing the market forces here, the fact that you personally aren't served by the current market isn't going to change which direction the market is going. Most users only use PCIe for a single GPU and storage, so M.2 works better for them. For those of us (I like PCIe too, don't get me wrong) who aren't served by that paradigm, adaptors still exist, and we can always take solace in the fact that overall lane counts are going up even if mechanical slots are going down.

[@owlmostdead9492]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 No, m.2 is going to die off (on mainboard socketed m.2), they are annoying to install and remove from a system. Enthusiasts are always ahead of the curve and the market will inevitably lag behind but ultimately follow, feel free to quote me when the time comes.

[@ryanbrowning5586]

Hey what case is that. I got the godlike also!!

[@MikeZak101]

well that was an anti-climax

[@thaddeus2447]

I just got 7950x for 560$, b650e for 250$ and crucial 2x16gb 4800mhz cheapest kit available for 115$ overclocked it to 5200mhz cl14 and i am more than happy. For gaming ryzen doesnt really care about ram speed. barely any difference

[@cacheman]

10:29 Start of video.

[@bits2646]

It smells like a good PSU :DDD

[@Stormpriest]

Links to products?

[@Stormpriest]

Specifically the ram, sorry I should have stated that

[@Decki777]

Asus rog strix z790i can do up 7800mhz oc without any issues

[@ComputersAre8ad]

I'm at 8200mt/s on my z790i daily voltages.

[@Decki777]

@@ComputersAre8ad that's Awsome. What's you're CPU frequency?

[@ComputersAre8ad]

@@Decki777 I'm still tuning that as I'm looking for lower power usage than speed but I've recorded 6100Mhz on 2 cores. 8200mt/s was done at 5.6Ghz 1.250 vcore.

[@Decki777]

@@ComputersAre8ad I have a 13700kf running at 1.25 volts all core 5.8ghz but my ram kit is Dogshit Samsung c36 5600mhz it doesn't have any big overclocking headroom

[@ComputersAre8ad]

@@Decki777 Yeah. Samsung ICs are doody beans. Huge change from D4 bdie. Sounds like you got an absolutely solid proc though. What board are you running it on?

[@RBFR01]

Anything over 5600mhz is a waste because Intel 13th gen maxes out at 5600mhz on the ram controller.

[@pyroromancer]

*The MEG*

[@thelistener4101]

LOL🤣.... Power (heat) is Speed!!!... Does your electric company send out to your residence their technician to check what's drawing all that power???

[@andrewlong7578]

Can anyone tell me why more mt/s is better when cl is considered the latency is the same or worse. For example: the 3200mt/s cl-14 kits I've been using for years have a net latency of 8.75ns while this kit Wendell is testing (7200mt/s cl-34) latency is 9.44ns. I'm not asking if faster memory results in more peak performance because in general it does but is the difference meaningful.

[@sander373]

It's hard to sort of explain it fully. The main difference I would assume would be the subsidiary timing possibly playing the biggest role. As for meaningful, it depends. I definitely felt a slight difference when I upgraded to 16gb of ram with a cl of 16 vs 8gb 14 cl. The cl 14 felt more fluid(less microstutters) for gaming and boots slightly faster. I'd say most people aren't really going to notice so unless you're just playing competitive (pro or not some people just like being competitive) I would just stick with recommend clock speeds and buy the lowest cl at a reasonable price. As for latency, it may be due to ddr5 essentially being a new architecture.

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

🤔

[@KrissBartlett]

wow i love that motherboard WOW can i have one hahaha i could never afford that im unemployed hear in Australia

[@brianhansen9578]

i normally love leve1tech's videos, but holy crap this was a weak one ... 10.30 min in the actual content starts ...

[@aarcaneorg]

I really think you should care if your power supply cables are glowing hot pink.

[@mal5305]

*sniffs PSU*

[@СусаннаСергеевна]

I'd probably be in the market for that motherboard if they didn't insist on marketing it to gamers (and also if I didn't already have a zen 4 and bad experiences with e-cores). 10Gbit and lots of NVME? Yes please. Useless bundled touchscreen and only two PCIe slots? Meh. Integrated 10Gbit means I can get away with only two slots, but that leaves me zero room to expand in the future. I'd rather see three slots with customisable bifurcation (8+8 or 8+4+4). Only one of my GPUs _needs_ eight lanes, the other runs fine on as little as (PCIe4) x1 (yes, I've tested this, it works). I suppose I could adapt a spare M.2 into an x4 slot, but God only knows how they're bifurcating the twenty PCIe lanes Intel gives you to get seven NVMEs and two PCIe slots on one motherboard. Sixteen lanes go to the first PCIe slot, so that's eight devices sharing four CPU lanes and four (PCIe4) chipset lanes? Charitably the second PCIe slot bifurcates x8 from the first slot, so if they bridge the remainder down to PCIe4 that's still only 1.7 lanes per M.2, which isn't great. Really, what's with that touchscreen? Are they trying to do a Compaq Portable style thing? That form factor has been obsolete for decades, IMO for good reasons. Is it for BIOS config or something? I'd much rather do that on my normal display with my normal keyboard. The only thing I can imagine it would be useful for is something like a media controller, but I, and everyone else, already have that on my normal keyboard, which is a lot more convenient. If it wasn't a touchscreen I'd assume it's meant to be a "gamer" temperature monitor thing you tape inside the window on a "gamer" case, but the touch part really throws me here. What use could there possibly be for it? I wonder if, when MSI sent this to Wendell, they included one of those talking points documents, and he simply forgot to mention whatever excuse their marketing department came up with for that screen. Or did they not do that, and Wendell was as confused by it as I am? I noticed that he quickly puts it away and never mentions it again... I checked the product page, which mentions an "M-Vision Dashboard", which sounds like something you could conceivably call a mini touchscreen, but the product page is one of those insufferable modern sites that are deliberately unusable, so I closed it. The weird little touchscreen shall remain a mystery. The "dashboard" part of the name does very strongly suggest that it's only going to work if you run some Windows bloatware, so even in the ridiculous Compaq Portable scenario it would be useless.

[@MegaAshabasha]

Godlike wasteful spending... 😪

[@ryanbrowning5586]

Wasteful spending??? What are you talking about. Board is probably best on the market

[@cybersecuritydeclassified4793]

Hope your got 4 matched. hehehe