20 DBD Downgrades That Shouldn't Have Happened

[@KytoYT]

What do you think is the biggest DBD downgrade?

[@dbdstuffuncut]

Plague being stunned by head and dstrike losing her power

[@LeviathanDaGoat]

Flashlights

[@clisneyandre3553]

i miss so bad the old dead hard it was so good and for me personally it was rewarding to hit for the killer miss or to know what time you use for getting on the windows or pallets

[@Bubbasawywer.]

1. Lagging for killers and survivors 2. Nerf Adrenaline 3. Glitching

[@Discoseek]

Hillbilly overcharge

[@coolshirtkid]

people will complain that the game isn’t dark and atmospheric and then run filters that make every map look like it’s daytime 😂😂

[@JohnSmith-u6j]

Because every map is ugly and bright anyways so who cares. The problem is more with the hue of the colors than anything else.

[@BeefyZawg]

I agree and also run bright cosmetics

[@jarpyr6791]

Great point tbh, at least now its a little more balanced for console players

[@saikyue4462]

I only use filters on maps like shattered square and coldwind because those maps are so red its impossible to see scratch marks

[@JohnSmith-u6j]

@@coolshirtkid I'm not arguing whether or not filters give you an advantage or not, I'm just saying that the aesthetics of the game have changed with the graphics update. And simply put, the maps have become less scary and ominous, objectively so, unless you're somehow the minority who feels the daytime is scary. And unfortunately EVERY map has gotten this treatment of becoming a lot brighter. And unfortunately the reshade has subsequently gotten uglier as well. Instead of the colors that they expose being already dark, turned to the middle of their shade, now we have colors that are incredibly light, turned to an even more lighter part of their shade, which just looks barf-worthy. So the new graphics update just sucks because it made reshade worse, and just normal gameplay

[@tehprimelime1063]

Burning a Wraith out of cloak was not skilful, it was the simplest thing to do in the entire game and crippled a killer already at the lower tiers for the enjoyment of the local narcissist in this game.

[@DaftPanda1]

Literally this. The only people that liked light burning wraiths were cunts wanting "bully clips" for their compilations. Dogshit Kyto take.

[@Klausinator451]

I wish they buffed the shit out of wraith but kept that feature in. It just sucks that it couldn't really be balanced because of the fact that none or all of the survivors could have flashlights. I haven't played in a while, alien is kinda like what I thought lightburn would've been like... I think. Pushing back a powerful monster by "fighting back."

[@tor112233]

finally people realising kyto just has atrocious takes

[@frienderoo]

I'm gonna be honest. The old movement and ui looks ugly as shit.

[@Ohganlon]

The UI was alright but my lord yeah the movement is true mobile game shit

[@sf8262]

Aesthetically yeah, but it felt more smooth and responsive. It feels almost as if they added a "sponginess" to movement so it doesn't respond as quickly

[@pacorka9943]

​@@Ohganlonyes!! It literally looks like a mobile game. 🤢

[@bloxer9563]

@@sf8262 yea

[@cs1645]

old movement was smooth af, if u want realism in animations and graphics go play other games, dbd is straight ass, only good thing it had was feeling smooth...

[@bingoviini]

Ah yes Lightburn added interactivity Survivor holds one button and the Wraith has to hide/leave them alone or get stunned

[@shady3671]

Sososo skillful

[@BigBootyDuty]

If you had one of the uncloak speed addons, you could uncloak before you get burned. There was plenty of ways to circumvent that. Plus, flashlights aren't unlimited. It was never really that big of a problem.

[@bingoviini]

@@BigBootyDuty Still an annoyance exlusive to just Wraith, as Nurse is strong enough to not care, Artist didn't really mind, and Hag was arguably better with the burnable traps.

[@sf8262]

Rather than remove it, they should've embraced it and added these types of effects to more killers to make it fair. I would even expand it to Maps (item), so more people would actually bring them

[@forthelolz1121]

I mean it kind of did. All the unique flashlight interactions with certain killers did. Was it annoying? Sure, but it’s not like it was such a big problem it needed to be removed. Not to mention that lightburn was one of the few things that made Wraith actually bearable to play against.

[@Dubious_Dave]

the only character that should have had lightburn removed was wraith, since it completely shut him down

[@Suiltann]

And hag the flashlights fully removed her ability and made her a m1 killer with only 110% speed

[@Andrew-ch3xj]

Bruh no. İts easier than ever now lmao​@@Suiltann

[@cs1645]

@@Suiltann nah, screw hag, probably the most boring killer to play agaisnt next to the knight, SM and xenomorph.... also nice pfp 😢

[@JohnSmith-u6j]

Completely shut him down? Did you never play wraith back when he could be burned? No, you just hid behind a wall every so often, and wasted their entire flashlight. Of which now would be incredibly advantageous due to background player and champion of light

[@evangingerson1271]

@@cs1645Hag is more fun to play against than also Skullmerchant and Bubba. Also Nurse.

[@basicsimp8798]

Nostalgia is a horrible drug.

[@Tryvns]

Real

[@Landon-s9y]

fr

[@EricDidntDoIt]

Kyto is blinded by nostalgia.

[@M4ngoJu1ce]

what are you on about. he made literally all good points and wasnt biased at all. he appreciates the new game but also appreciats the old game

[@predragvajagic5218]

​@M4ngoJu1ce im sorry flashlight clicking was terrible. Maybe 1% of people used clicking for that tec but 99% for just bieng annoying to the killer

[@Tryvns]

@@M4ngoJu1cea lot of them being about old dbd

[@BasementDweller_]

I don’t think I can agree with most things you said in this video…

[@snowman75]

Yes! Like, most of the opinions are just him saying how much he misses the old DBD. Like, the game needs to evolve... That old movement looked like a mobile game, the graphics were horrible, the old hud was simple and good, but the current one is much better and gives you much more information. The issue is that people get caught up in DBD nostalgia, just like Fortnite players. Time passes and the game evolves, but they don't seem to understand or accept this.

[@sukaiibtw]

@@snowman75 it didn't matter how the old movement looked, it was so much better and actually felt more like you were running away from a killer rather than "haha nice im running"

[@claudbtw]

@@snowman75 L take

[@Setsuraful]

It's 90% just your average "survivor main complaining that they don't get as much hand holding and free no brain counters anymore".

[@Houston4Nication]

fortnite players arent really nostalgic. OG season proved that shit. No one complained about mantling or sprinting and it was like 4 million players at least in every Epic Games mode combined. Also the map was way better than the current one. No gimmick items, no NPCs and the map is the perfect size. Fortnite back then was just better, just like dead by daylight ​@@snowman75

[@drazlet]

You always talk about how you haven’t played DBD in forever but you still have incredibly strong opinions about modern DBD

[@shosc16]

Blinded by nostalgia. I started this game this year and when I see old gameplay it looks horrible lol

[@DogMakingSausage]

​@@shosc16Looks worst, was funnier to play.

[@xMirukanis]

@@shosc16I don’t mind the graphics being updated to look more modern, the game did at times look horrible previously. BUT the horror aspect is almost completely gone now, genuinly the enviroment was so scary before. I would constantly get jumpscared by killers, even the non-stealth ones

[@mk-gd2pg]

No shit you never played it thats why you dont get it looked a lot worse but felt a lot better not nostalgia just a fact😅​@@shosc16

[@nuketea4395]

I don't know what pink glasses you were wearing, but how is old movement better? Why is stunning Wraith basically for free was good? And in wich world FREDDY WAS A GOOD KILLER?

[@dad1158]

Freddy was actually painful to go against when he was "forever freddy". However, the rest of the takes in this video are pretty bad or biased as hell.

[@nuketea4395]

@@dad1158 you mean that one broken build? Well, Michael with tombstone is annoying as well, but base kit he is kinda bad. Same with Freddy

[@dad1158]

@@nuketea4395 Yeah, t's a pretty flawed system when you think about it. The devs factor in addons when counting their beloved kill rate statistic for balance, so people tend to factor those into a killer's ranking. It would be nice if the devs balanced the killers and made them viable with before addons, but sadly it's dbd we're talking about here. The devs don't give a shit about balance they care about getting the next dlc out and making that $$$.

[@NyerdDBD]

Old movement was a trillion times better and smoother. First, your camera was way smoother and more free to move around. Second, your survivors head was tied to your camera movement so that when you run and look up and down your survivor head would follow your movement which felt incredibly smooth, which is something they removed for some reason as now you can only barely look left or right, not up and down. Third, they completely removed looking up and down while crouching, even standing still and crouching you cant look up and down.

[@snowman75]

​@@NyerdDBDBut it was ugly! The old movement looked like one of those mobile games and it was terrible! The current movement is much more beautiful and realistic, and that's what DBD needs nowadays. Time passes and the game evolves... Imagine a new player arriving in the game and seeing that ugly movement. Personally, I would leave the game because I didn't take the game seriously.

[@viniciusalexandre6036]

The old hud, in my opnion, looked bad AND mobile looking...

[@KytoYT]

fair enough!! we all have our opinions :D

[@TheGreyFox115]

lol ahh wasn’t just your opinion was a pretty wide spread one lol

[@Orthane]

Anytime someone says removing Lightburn was bad I instantly stop taking their opinion seriously. Sorry, but no, Lightburn was not a good thing, no it wasn't "skillful" no, it wasn't fun, I hate Nurse as much as the next person but you are on some serious nostalgia crack if you actually think an item hard countering a killer was a good thing.

[@thatoneguy6687]

People barely even knew this mechanic even existed plus the majority of players suck at flash lights so don’t act like this was some huge problem that killers faced

[@melonplaiz5611]

​@@thatoneguy6687maybe for someone like nurse or artist since that was interesting and decent counter play but wraith.. Light burning him was so easy and as wraith it made him feel miserable

[@KytoYT]

@@melonplaiz5611 Wraith is one of my most played killers and I thought lightburning made him more fun to play as. Broke up the monotonous uncloak, hit, cloak again, repeat gameplay. We all have different preferences :D

[@melonplaiz5611]

@@KytoYT oh that's fair like I can understand that it can break up sometimes a repetitive experience but if u are facing a good swf or survivors who know how to lightburn u it can be not fun since wraith was my main at thee time

[@KytoYT]

@@melonplaiz5611 i personally would disagree! i actually think that’s more fun because u have to play wraith in a completely different way :D

[@Trident_Gaming03]

Nah, lightburn being removed was great It's the same logic for removing the ability to sabo Trapper's traps Or the reason Adrenaline just got the change that it no longer wakes you up against Freddy

[@Tako258]

Agreed back when lightburn was in the game I only found out about it when a group of survivors kept stun locking me every time I tried to go invisible.

[@xXFrItZgErAlDXx]

To me it's clear this list was made by a Survivor main, most of the things listed here are only survivor related or benefiting to the survivors.

[@KytoYT]

that is not true

[@BetaNurse68]

He mentioned hex nerfs, stbfl nerfs, flashlight timing not being needed anymore, the old hud, an add on for the map that did nothing to benefit anyone, hillbilly overheat being added, hex ruin nerfs, Freddy rework, graphics and developer livestreams lol. A lot of the survivor stuff mentioned also he agreed should’ve been nerfed and/or was changed to be worse when it was or wasn’t an issue. Idk how you came to that conclusion at all.

[@TheGreyFox115]

Fawk ya big time light burn was the thing that got all friends to drop DBD lol we just jumped to Friday the 13 while that was popping off and just never returned😂

[@aWigglys]

bro fr said that no one uses hexes 💀

[@RMV6]

yeah beacuse nobody does...

[@lokiserpentem8534]

​@@RMV6i do 💀

[@tmoney1487]

​@@RMV6 Plenty of people do. Maybe not at the absolute highest tiered lobbies where people only care about the highest performing perks but in the average ones you see them all the time.

[@RMV6]

@@tmoney1487 I'm sure things are different in the lower mmr lobbies but at high mmr hexes are very bad and I'll often go 10+ games without seeing one

[@Rayven_420]

​@@RMV6Pentimento plaything is one of the strongest perk combos in the game so idk what you're on about

[@xx-lp9us]

not a single killer liked lightburn... having your killer power disabled is always unfun. crazy survivor blindness take

[@KytoYT]

Wraith is one of my most played killers and I thought lightburning made him more fun to play as. Broke up the monotonous uncloak, hit, cloak again, repeat gameplay

[@inshallahwallahi]

@@nd6672 🤥

[@BannedGaming-jc4ic]

@@KytoYTI mean I see what you mean by saying this but it’s kinda silly, if I want to spice up killer gameplay then I’ll run some Addons, or do a silly build, not wish for an extra extremely specific way to counter me. 🫤

[@TheGoldenBoo]

@@KytoYT "I loved being unable to use my boring ass power on my 'favorite' killer" Fuck off.

[@HeyElii03]

@@nd6672 Hes probably upset that the game is turning out to be more competitive rather than enjoyable

[@thebananaman2218]

As an avid Object of Obsession user and defender, you don't use Object to just reveal perks the killer is using, you use it to completely deny any form of mind games that the killer might try. Nowhere to Hide, Lethal Pursuer, and Darkness Revealed are a few perks that you can play around and determine where the killer is going. This gives you, and potentially your team, CRUCIAL information that might change the game. Also, the 30 second reveal timer only ever comes into effect when trying to linger for a flashlight save. More often than not the killer is to focused on other things to be searching for your object ping and you just get free info.

[@lukeandre3473]

But distortion can give you all of this information with no downside of being seen. The aura reading doesn't even help that much in chase because of one timing and two your aura is also revealed. The perk isn't used for a reason. If you want chase aura reading just use alert, it's constant info in an out of chase

[@feilkate5892]

​@@lukeandre3473true Alert+troubleshooter combo covers all your needs in killer aura revealing

[@danielhungerford5480]

Exactly. The real reason it was busted because it created endless loops on certain maps because survivors always new killers gameplay because they couldn’t mind game. This whole video sounds like a “I miss bully squad dbd”

[@Bad_Place_Alone]

I respect the video and the opinions, but about half these changes were good.

[@annareifer2249]

as someone who starts playing dbd 2019, im very happy with the new movement and hud

[@cs1645]

i dont like to discriminate but u literally have vittorino in ur pfp, ur opinion doesnt count (not personal sry)

[@annareifer2249]

@@cs1645and why it dosnt count? your hole comment makes no sense

[@cs1645]

@@annareifer2249 is kind of a joke if u couldnt tell but still... vittorino main bro...

[@DrakoWulf]

@@cs1645 Are you okay?

[@NyerdDBD]

are you some kind of AI or are you just lying? like there is no way someone with human intelligence could prefer new movement, I'm speechless. nah I bet you just brought the game in 2019 for stranger things and played like 3 hours then came back and actually started playing in 2022. No way in hell someone can actually prefer new movement.

[@Andreas-fn8mo]

I am sorry for the rant but, I just hate the statement "I didnt have an issue with ds, because I didnt tunnel". It just sounds like "yeah you only run into problems with it, if you do tunnel" which just isnt the case. Yes, I dont play the highest mmr so survivors behave subotimal but the following scenario comes up quite often: One survivor is dead, one gets unhooked while i chase another. Then I down and hook taht other survivor. The ds survivor then comes running back and if I down them they ds me. I try to go for someone else after each unhook but if theres only 3 options, one is on the hook, then i have a 50% chance to find the unhooked one again. On a rational level I dont see why it is okay to get punished as a killer for wanting to hook survivors that actively seek out chase with me and go down again really quickly. Another thing to point out is that iron will nerfs while obviously annoying arent that detremental depending on player settings and audio quality. As a comparisson I am a pretty casual player, my sound isnt the best so even with the new version of iron will i often wont hear grunts if they are from a quiet character (yes i am looking at you Ace). On the flipside a friend of mine is a DbD enthusiast (hallo Anja) and her settings are tweaked specificaly for this game. So she can even hear a survivor breathing on the other side of a wall. Old Iron will did exactly nothing to her. So I guess it comes down a lot to the setup the killer is using as well.

[@HeyElii03]

3:46 Leon just emoting the killer after stunning him was the most unexpected and funniest thing I seen in this video

[@Trident_Gaming03]

12:47 Isn't this a good thing? Nerfing OP perk until it's as strong as other perks would both get rid of an unfair power imbalance while also allowing for perk variety

[@ryangoldstrich7334]

Honestly kinda surprised that the Hoarder nerf wasn't mentioned. Hoarder used to be a perk that was good on Killers like Pinhead and Wesker that force you to interact with items while being trash on everyone else, and now it's just a bad perk for everyone

[@NewSirenSong]

It made pinhead oppressive, and wesker doesn't need help in his map presence and information, he already gets it for free when survivors use the item

[@ryangoldstrich7334]

@@NewSirenSong Doesn't mean there weren't ways to keep Hoarder strong on characters like Pinhead while making it less oppressive

[@osamhala7madi536]

Yes but would you rather the killer to have deadlock pop pain res instead?

[@NewSirenSong]

@@osamhala7madi536 they're going to run that 99.99% of the time anyways until bhvr reworks them because the vast majority of players (both survivor and killer) aren't very good at the game and need countless crutches to tilt the scales in their favor

[@NewSirenSong]

@@ryangoldstrich7334it's too easily abusable by pinhead, I prefer him not being able to torture solo queue with his entirely passive power, it has no effect against swfs but makes matches against him much more difficult than they need to be for the weakest version of survivor in the game

[@cake2531]

the billy situation really bothers me. took a killer that had a very strong mobility and chase ability which took skill and was fun to play as and against, nerfed him into oblivion without reason, then buffed him to where he is now which is just the chase ending when he turns blue. in regards to lightburning, i'm glad it's gone. it was too easily abusable in swfs which is the only issue with it.

[@NaniMoose13]

4:39 What sky box oh yea I was busy looking at something else.

[@Epicness560]

It's such a great.... moon

[@thenightshadowyt9309]

@@Epicness560looks like there are 3 to me, must be a bug

[@lucario2467]

yo which survivor is this? asking for a friend

[@feilkate5892]

​@@lucario2467skill merchant

[@gondre7975]

@@lucario2467 its a killer, skull merchant

[@Fatmanralphy]

Agreed with a few of these, but good lord the nostalgia goggles are on far too tight

[@aaronaltamirano2589]

With Object of Obsession, you also see the killer every 30 seconds because you see the killer's aura every time they see yours.

[@413X13]

Not if they are undetectable. Then they could see you, but you can’t see them.

[@SyntiSin]

Only if you are the obsession, too. If you like the idea of seeing them only when they see you, you can run Blood Pact or use the Wedding Ring Add-on to not become the obsession while running Object.

[@D-Doc-C]

Kyto has right saying anything about this game with the amount of stuff he just gets wrong

[@redharlow9750]

Don't cook again

[@riafire7477]

How does having more unsafe pallets remove mind games? You actually have to trick the killer into respecting the pallet to get value instead of a god pallet where there is legit no counter play or mind game on either side

[@Ridmey]

I understand the nostalgia but old iron will was HELL on killer

[@etherium8017]

as a surv main. burning killers with flashlights is not fair at all.

[@DefrostedChicken]

Imma have to dispute the NOED nerf removing a reason to use it, because in my experience, it's still a damn good perk, I've even used it to turn a 1k into a 4k in under a minute, it's glorious

[@Pyrax-Tunneled-You]

pp head addon rework

[@ILionSinEscanor]

I think I've gone mad waiting for it to happen every update

[@Wojteq69]

Whats pp?

[@ILionSinEscanor]

@@Wojteq69 Pyramid Head

[@I_Robbed_A_Deli]

Agreed dude

[@i3eaniie602]

I miss full speed PP head 😢

[@LuvNight]

Not having macmillan be blue still hurts more than anything

[@Itz_Puxe]

4:38 you ain't slick 😂

[@crackawhat1]

Kyto, your April fools video is very late this year

[@varcolacoolgamer8566]

Am I the only one who forgot who they watched? I’m seeing a pattern with all of these effects and gifs and it would suck if everyone used these :( Almost every KZbinr uses this “low attention spam” editing and in my opinion it doesn’t look good with dbd :(

[@shosc16]

The gifs are so boomer-like sometimes

[@tmoney1487]

Yeah social media has ruined this generation, and thats coming from someone from this generation 😂.

[@atwer]

STBFL nerf was a good thing, there's no good interactivity between the survivors and the killer. If you're not the obsession and the killer has 8 stacks already, you're fucked bc the killer will refuse to hit the obsession or the obsession is avoiding getting hit too much. It sucked.

[@TheGoldenBoo]

The only killer I use current STBFL on is Onryo because she can demanifest to get in front of the obsession anytime they try to body-block to take her stacks. Isn't this the exact same problem you're describing?

[@Aci_yt]

just have the obsession start taking hits

[@atwer]

@@Aci_yt read my comment. You can't control the obsession in soloq, that's what sucks about stbfl

[@oliverhardy9464]

It was the only good chase perk specifically good for weak M1 killers. People will run more slow down now.

[@blurrhourr9700]

​@@Aci_yt as if i have a direct hotline to the obsession in a game with no built in vc and as if most killers wouldn't m2. Also, y'all need to stop regarding survivors as if they're one entity. It's four. Four separate people that aren't always in a swf like every killer main thinks

[@claudbtw]

this is THE ONLY video that mentions old dbd i agree with EVRYTHING. everything you said was straight facts, good job, kyto and im dead serious

[@ViniciusIth]

/s?

[@claudbtw]

@@ViniciusIth what?

[@leocardozo3806]

2:33 the removal of lightburn was one of the best things that DBD ever made, no more toxic people burning with flashlights

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

Killer mains crying about the little gameplay or style that a survivor can even have! Where will this game be of all the survivors left??!!!! SC!

[@evangingerson1271]

Nah it was fun bullying baby Wraith

[@leocardozo3806]

@@evangingerson1271 it wasn’t fun at all, and I play DBD since 2016 and it was annoying af so it was fair enough that they took out lightburn to wraiths and nurse 😌

[@Dante-rd3ne]

​@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN Your argument: "You think that only you can have fun, but I think only I can have fun."

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

@@Dante-rd3ne bozo…I am making those “salty” killer comments as a joke 💀. Ya know the ones where they go “unskilled survivor mains, crying about everything, getting killers nerfed etc, where will the game be if there is no one left to play killer!” 💀💀💀. I’m DED. 💀💀💀😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣.

[@turtwigproductions9928]

Object of obsession does let you see the killers aura every 30 seconds. You both see each other. That’s what the perk does

[@IHaveInsomnia333]

These opinons make my brain rot flashlight clicking sucked hearing the same sound over and over was just bad

[@TheGoldenBoo]

We don't miss lightburn. We don't miss the fugly-ass old movement. Saying it was better because you could moonwalk and 360 faster back then is not only insane, but I think debatable at best. We don't miss the bathroom sign HUD of old. Why do DbDTubers keep saying this kind of shit? Btw, Greenvile's dark af, and the steam-release pipes in the Nostromo Wreckage are stupid af. A pallet literally needs to be unsafe in order to enable mind-games. That's what the term "unsafe" means; how prone it is to being mind-gamed once dropped.

[@Roommates_Stories]

I miss light burn The unsafe pallets he was referring to were the extremely short ones where a surv is forced to camp the pallet if they don't want to get hit cause the killer can basically lunge around the entire loop Greenville is not dark af, turn up your brightness lil bro

[@TheGoldenBoo]

@@Roommates_Stories "lil bro" lmao.

[@mashttyx]

Lightburn adds interactivity and skill expression so we do miss it The old movement might have not been that beautiful but it was 10x smoother Old hud was fine it was clean, I think the new one is better but if tmr we had old hud back I wouldn't care at all He didn't even get Into hug tech for blight cuz if he did these comments would be a war xD You wrong lil bro

[@TheGoldenBoo]

@@mashttyx Oh hey you're that guy who doesn't know the differwnce between "skill expression" and "bullshit knowledge check." Rest in piss, Lightburn. Objectively one of the worst to ever do it.

[@NeighbourTom]

Speak for yourself lil bro

[@jptrady1997]

Biggest downgrade is Pyramid heads old cake

[@Sigma.cat.]

HOT TAKE THE TRAPPER IS NOT THE WORST KILLER IN THE GAME AND MYERS IS PRETTY OP (add ons)

[@dbdstuffuncut]

Trapper is better then Freddy

[@BILCARTON]

I agree you just have to know what your doing to play trapper

[@dbdstuffuncut]

@@BILCARTON I don't have the time.

[@sebysebyt12]

What myers addons?😂

[@TheFelix07]

I am having a deja vu with this comment

[@TheRadioSquare]

Love the mindgame where I literally stand inside the killer, so they are forced to guess where I went, or the insane mindgame of walking around a safe palette and moving once the killer breaks it.

[@silverrose1933]

Salty survivor main complains about old op perks and abilities getting nerfed

[@KytoYT]

i’m not a survivor main :)

[@101superchao]

Hot Take: The gen kicking limit was the dumbest thing to happen. It makes using perks like surge a really pain, because you might just use all 8 of the kicks you can use on one gen. If they had to have this to stop entitled survivors from complaining then making the kick limit when there only 3 gens left. I rarely play due to this rework as its not fun and it makes me not want to kick gens. I still enjoy the game, but I only come back during the big events or when a dlc am looking forward to comes out.

[@Jgmoya1989]

Let's be real..... Literally ALMOST ALL of these are good changes

[@NyerdDBD]

??? literally none honestly. Not even kidding I'd prefer to play mid 2018 dbd than any other year.

[@Jgmoya1989]

Well that's your opinion and one that I'm sure you're not alone on. But Im fairly confident in saying that the majority of the player base prefers it now with maybe missing an element or 2 of how it was but as an entire package it's better now. ​@@NyerdDBD

[@jack33317]

@@Jgmoya1989yeah i’ll agree most changes were good for a better playing experience but removing depips? Doesn’t that just kill the skill gap so now anyone can hit rank 1 if you play enough lol

[@Jgmoya1989]

@@jack33317 yes BUT.... Now I don't mind letting one go at the end and don't sweat out every match

[@satan9247]

Lightburn removal was good. In addition about the 'look' of the game, i dont see people talk about this as often but they have removed so many special interactions and such: spirits phase-out jumpscare where she would get close to the floor and be ready for an attack (survivor perspective), the doctor jumpscare events (i know they removed it cuz of light sensitive issues but still) and the loco-motion they had in the beta when they were trying the new survivor animations

[@xspykerz]

Huge amount of these are even bad takes for me as a veteran player.

[@omniphage9391]

All i am taking away from this video is that i can use a map and a glass bead to bm the shit out of a slugged teammate. Thanks Kyto!

[@tormented__]

personally the biggest downgrade for me was the gravity change back in before 6.0.0 i believe killers could lunge over a gap and do a small hop and get onto railings such as the hanging station on the saloon, but high mobility killers such as billy, blight and even spirit could use their power to jump to heights onto buildings or on top of jungle gyms and loops. this was well known as skybilly blight spirit etc. thats the biggest downgrade for me that they removed that unique interaction. i used to abuse skybilly a lot its why i mained him and provided some fun even tho all his addons and his overheat killed him

[@YaMaTo999Vir]

Its all good, but i think biggest downgrade is killer items rework and every combinations nerfs. Killer item rework allow some killers to finally have other builds (yes, pinhead), but also removed possibility for people to play as THEY want with perks. And i hate devs not increasing, but deleting every single combinations of perks possible. Some things must go, like for the people + buckle up. But some combos are so shit killing. Why we need cut off legion and wesker bamboozle? Stfbl+m2 killers? Etc etc. Its sad they removing interactions instead of make more of them.

[@mr.fowler4644]

BHVR removing the ability to destroy hag traps with a flashlight being bad is one of the hottest takes I’ve ever heard

[@PhoenixSeer_]

Nostalgia affecting us with this one 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@BullcornTV]

I only started playing DBD in 2021, so I never experienced the old graphics and movements myself. But from looking at it it makes my head hurt. If people found the older movements smoother than what they are now, then I have to believe them. But I truly enjoy how DBD looks now; graphics, movements ect. I don't think I would've enjoyed the game as much as I do now if I had played back then.

[@squib2118]

the graphics one is kind of a hot take, cause even though there was “charm” that’s just nostalgia, the new maps look 100% better and have a new identity

[@colbyking5423]

DS and DH deserved to die and fall from the top of the meta pyramid. Game was genuinely broken when you could extend chases forever by pressing one button.

[@Doncroft1]

Lightburn was extremely unfair to the Wraith, and Hag shouldn't have flashlights be necessary to remove her traps. So overall, I disagree. Lightburn was an outdated, convoluted mechanic in most cases. Also, I'm SOOOO glad apam clicking was removed. It was dumb and obnoxious.

[@aaronlee4608]

Kyto for object of obsession, you do see the killers aura every 30 seconds due to the effect of "when the killer sees your aura you see theirs" every 30 seconds when they see you, you see them

[@somekinnn]

I think lightburn being removed is good, because I think arbitrary interactions with items is weird, makes balance difficult at times, and often essentially just makes survivors "lucky" for bringing an item with them. Of course, some items benefit more against some killers than others, but it feels weird when it's an actual mechanic, and can often worsen balance issues by making some killers depend even more heavily on whether the survivors decided to bring a specific item with them or not. Wraith being able to be lightburnt just unnecessarily hurt him, Hag's balance depended heavily on whether survivors had flashlights with them or not, and balancing Nurse around flashlights is an awful idea. And I'm saying this as someone who played when it was a thing.

[@Aci_yt]

They should have added it to every killer, not remove it. It was one of the most fun and engaging mechanics in the entire game and would've let them balance stronger killers more easily by giving them stronger lightburn-counters.

[@peeperinos]

​@Aci_yt add lightburn to every killer? Tf are you smoking 😂

[@JaydensUniverse]

15:16 i wasn't around for this era of dbd, but i've seen clips of old gameplay and even rewatched markiplier's videos on the game, and my first impressions on the atmosphere were "wait why is this significantly cooler than what we have now"

[@memezneverdie6095]

Bro is getting absolutely shitted on 😭🙏

[@DillonMeyer]

Biggest downgrade was the loss of Tier 2 Tinkerer lasting forever from a bug. The game is far better without the red stain; Terror radius can stay. Second biggest downgrade is the heartbeat showing for survivors. I understand it was for accessibility reasons, but just like outside filters, 99% of people using them are not disabled in the slightest; at least not by hearing or vision. These both have to do with stealth, and the game is far better when Survivors are unaware of if you are coming or not. It's scarier for the survivors, and made more similar to a real horror game. That's why Michael Myers, despite being one of the 'worst killers' in the game is one of the most widely praised killers for his stealth approach. It makes it more fun overall for both parties. Gonna sneak in a Freddy rework here too: *Dream World:* Freddy is always in the Dream World. Survivors that Freddy injures by any means are placed into the Dream World with him. While a Survivor is in the Dream World, they can only intermittently see other Survivors who are not also in the Dream World. At the same time, Survivors not in the Dream World also see them intermittently. Survivors who are not in the Dream World also only intermittently see Freddy unless they are being chased by him. When all living Survivors are simultaneously in the Dream World, a Nightmare begins. Survivors can only awaken themselves from the Dream World by successfully stunning Freddy, saving any other Survivor from the hook, or healing another Survivor from the Dying state. Survivors are automatically awakened if they are put into the Dying state. *During the Nightmare:* The bright color of the Dream turns dark. All survivors are afflicted with the Blindness status effect, preventing all aura reading. The sound of Freddy's laughter can be heard periodically by Survivors. Freddy's Dream Eater ability transforms into Nightmare Hunt. The Nightmare ends and all Survivors are awakened as soon as any Survivor is downed by Freddy. *M2 Ability - Dream Eater/Nightmare Hunt* _Dream Eater_ Freddy activates his ability, Dream Eater for the next 15 seconds. During this time, he can see the aura of any Survivor who is in the Dream World within 24 meters of him in white and can reactivate the ability with the same button to meld into any wall he faces towards. While melded into a wall, he becomes Undetectable, and he can freely move between other connected walls at 5.2m/s. Additionally, the duration of Dream Eater resets. When Freddy presses the Basic Attack button while melded, he will lunge out from it, damaging the first Survivor he comes into contact with and Dream Eater ends regardless of if he lands the attack or not. He can step out of a wall at any time by pressing the CTRL button, which also ends his power prematurely, putting it onto cooldown. If time runs out while he is melded into a wall, he will walk out of it as though the ability was cancelled. _Nightmare Hunt_ Freddy activates his empowered ability, Nightmare Hunt for 20 seconds. During this time, he can see the aura of all Survivors within 24 meters in white and can reactivate the ability to meld into any wall he faces towards. While melded into a wall, he becomes Undetectable, and he can move between other connected walls at 5.2m/s. Additionally, the duration of Nightmare Hunt is paused indefinitely until he leaves the wall or the Nightmare ends. When Freddy presses the Basic Attack button while melded, he will lunge out from it, instantly downing the first Survivor he comes into contact with regardless of health state; missing the attack will not end Nightmare Hunt. Freddy may meld into walls any number of times while Nightmare Hunt is active, however Nightmare Hunt will end as soon as the Nightmare ends. Freddy can walk out of any wall at any time by pressing the CTRL button, this will not end Nightmare Hunt. This changes Freddy to be similar to Legion, benefiting from injuring a survivor and leaving chase to find another to bring all the Survivors into the Dream World to activate the Nightmare. Additionally, the Nightmare itself would be similar to Dredge's Nightfall effect, but not directly restrict Survivor vision. Singling out a couple Survivors is also an option to reduce the amount of ways they can easily coordinate with their team, as they will only be visible intermittently to their team, and visa versa. He also properly becomes a Stealth killer, gaining Undetectable while using his power to walk around inside of walls. Though it would be a difficult power for Behaviour to implement, it would be completely unique, and in my mind, very fun to face and to use.

[@FattyCheeseburger66]

the thing is, dbd really isn't a horror game, and never has been. it doesn't need to become one, either.

[@tmoney1487]

I'm not disabled but god is the heartbeat option a godsend for people like me. I struggle very much hearing lullabies from any killer that isnt named huntress, and turning my game volume all the way up just for every little sound to blow out my eardrums so i can MAYBE hear the lullibies just creates an unpleasant experience IMO.

[@AeonLettuce]

I swear playing on Eeyrie of Crows makes me squint my eyes for the entirety of the match

[@KarmicID]

Kyto i gotta say the thing about the old HUD is just nostalgia... but everyone can agree the weird inbetween the old hud and the new hud that had info everywhere was just painful

[@NeonMedusaVI]

The iron will nerf was a criminal offense and ill never forgive them

[@rakurbane4585]

it added actually being able to mind game there was no reason

[@DrHappy-hk4hl]

​@@rakurbane4585How does iron will corelate to mind games?

[@rakurbane4585]

@@DrHappy-hk4hl so the killer can’t hear you and you can corner and window tech?

[@DrHappy-hk4hl]

@@rakurbane4585 Are those mind games tho? Those are just some pov tricks. Nah, I think it needed to be nerfed because it was stupid that you just straight up make no sound. They should remove the exhaust part tho.

[@dragonskater]

​@@rakurbane4585 so actually nerfing Iron will removed mindgames, as killers now can just track survivors grunts of pains, you've made a point against your argument, iron will was 100% mindgames when it was silent as it made it so you had to guess each others moves.

4:20 I think also the new maps are HUGE af. Like Nostromo? And Crow map? TERRIBLE. Some Killers just have to sweat their ass off to maybe win with the sweatiest perks. Way to big and way to safe in my opinion.

[@subwway2238]

Ngl did not Cook with this one

[@CoriandertheIridescent]

Yeah the maps complaint is something I completely agree with, I dread most licensed maps because they are almost always just unsafe pallets and pointless windows. My favourite times looping are around T - L walls because it feels so fair to lose to a mind game on that tile

[@ikosmic-5126]

I used to be pretty decent at old flashlight saves I left the game came back and thought I was good found out they made it easy

[@Fruit2playlol]

Me too

[@DB_R9K]

I love the background videos in these 😭

[@Monkey_Business_JJ]

3:48 Lol wut? 😂

[@sf8262]

If Epic bought dbd

[@cs1645]

if BHVR made not straight ass games:

[@icantthinkofaname9651]

Dbd if it was good

[@tmoney1487]

I would die laughing if that happened in my lobbied via some hacker or something.

[@sashko8448]

I'm so glad you mentioned the old dev livestreams. The new ones feel so fake and artificial

[@fcnth]

You can tell this guy never played Wraith when lightburn was still a thing

[@NyerdDBD]

I have been playing almost since launch in 2016 and have probably played more wraith than you, and I prefer lightburn. Its geniuenly not that bad.

[@AnyThingWorx]

@@NyerdDBDah yes I love having my power deactivated by the click of a button

[@lfr234]

​@@NyerdDBDYou could play around it, but it felt horrible. Also the skill was needed from the killer only since back then you saw wraith coming from miles away

[@sylana5556]

the flashlight save timing is such a bad change, takes away all skill from the flashlights: actually used to be difficult

[@usedhalfcart]

i have not seen so many takes i disagree with. maybe its for engagement (it worked) billy was asked to be changed because his addons were way too strong. crack billy? they just changed more than we wanted. lightburn does nothing but make wraith, an already average killer, even weaker with such unintuitive counterplay.

[@KazielMurasaki]

On the old iron will "fun techs" fun if you are not the killer and have to deal with DS, DH, Iron Will, Unbreakable on every single survivor, every game

[@daniilzavadin5076]

4:39 I love that skybox, so … sky … boxy? Yea

[@FakeforFaith]

👀

[@Cazzyy]

I feel like a not so much talked about topic is when bhvr overnerfs meta perks, and buff bad perks to be good you feel inclined to get the meta perks. End result is you have to pay more money and/or use time and effort to get same stability you had before. I experienced this hard when I had a dbd drought. With no way out, ultimate weapon, pain res, when my trusty pop or ruin was nerfed initially to be awful

[@neonclouds9295]

2:03 this is not true. You still need good timing to do a flashlight save. You have no idea how many times I've seen a Survivor blind, a killer carrying another Survivor and the save failed.

[@aegislight5996]

Skill issue

[@mashttyx]

Oh yes "timing" a whole 1.5 out of 3 seconds animation xD

[@neonclouds9295]

@@mashttyx yeah and the other 1.5 seconds is getting in positioning. Cope some more

[@neonclouds9295]

@@aegislight5996 not a skill issue for me, If you knew how to read, you'd know it's not me missing the saves.

[@mashttyx]

@@neonclouds9295???? I'm saying the timing for a flashlight save is literally half of the pick up animation, you can't miss timing, you can miss the positioning but not the timing. Back then you had to get both perfectly right

[@Yuieatspaint]

add back Blight's hug techs, i know they didn't directly nerf it specifically and they just fixed his bump detection but hug tech blights were genuinely fun to go against/play

[@encry9123]

One thing that I think is a downgrade is removing "unintended mechanics" that are fun or have a lot of skill expression like sky Billy and blight's hug tech

[@mothwithin]

i miss how the old artstyle was sort of watercolor-esque, i dont like how realistic everything is now. the watercolor textures were a really good creative choice

[@DrakoWulf]

I was hoping for some more objective and constructive statements, but the vast majority of this is merely nostalgia.

[@NyerdDBD]

Stop saying its nostaliga, wost argument ever. Something being better in the past is a strong argument as you literally have a physical reference point and can compare it to now. And the stuff he says are very good statements. Stop thinking you understand the game when you barely have more than like 1k hours.

[@DrakoWulf]

@@NyerdDBD You've been replying to half this comment section. You're someone I really don't feel obligated to debate with.

[@Moonlancer3]

3:47 wtf is leon doing 💀💀💀

[@blecis74]

A downgrade for me is the max 8 kicks/damage events for gens. 8 gen damage events in my opinion was unnecessary a good amount of perks rely on being used many times, No Where to Hide, Overcharge, Call of Brine, Surveillance etc and the implementation of the limit has potentially cut the uses of these perks drastically, the 8 damage events means at some point gens will just fly and there's nothing that can be done about it unless its removed or the limit is increased.

[@araven2293]

The 8 max kick is to prevent the never ending match, that killer can just holding the last 3 gen especially if it near each other, some killer will just doing hit and run, killer like skull merchant can just put all her drone at the 3 gen and injured survivor, leaving them and continue kick/protecting the gen.. while people who play dbd usually have a massive ego, probably no one give up, leads it to a super long match.. then if u dc, not just u get nothing but got dc penalty instead

[@blecis74]

@@araven2293 well if the problem is Skull Merchant then the solution would have been to change her without punishing the rest of the killers. All the M1 killers basically rely on kicking gens to cause pressure, but now they can’t because of one killer, they have been nerfed because of Skull Merchant.

[@user-yq4wo5dc1j]

@@blecis74 I could take a wild case and say that you have probably rarely kicked one gen 8 times. Kicking a gen 8 times is honestly obnoxious. Having that cap promotes mindful gen kicking strats and encourages the killer to acc interact with the survivor to kill them (which is the overall objective of killer)

[@araven2293]

@@blecis74 well not really, every killer can holding and make the 3 gen.. even back when the 8 kick and skull merchant doesn't exist.. killer will just staying around the close 3-4 gen, forcing survivor must repair the other gen with them can't break the 3 gen.. then from survivor side they complaining that the strategy is boring, unfun or wasting a lot time telling the dev it's like holding the game hostage.. and also killer usually not commiting for chase or trying to kill anyone, survivor who usually have CoH and still have 3-4 man can just get hit, healing, get hit, healing again.. while killer can hit survivor, kick gen, hit survivor, kick gen infinitely For me seeing the 8 kick gens change is more like the dev want make the killer to more active in chase

[@JustMiluna]

Eeeeh because reworking maps and ridiculous gen spreads was waaaaay too difficult What a freaking joke holy smokes

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

Who the *hell* liked flashlight clicking?

[@GCoimbra40]

When i saw old movement for the first time, i was like: "Wow, that looks like me running" Im serious, i run like that, i know, im weird, but i have a problem in my knee, so thats the way i found to run with my knee problem

[@TheGoldenBoo]

Bring back old movement but only for this guy's self insert.

[@GCoimbra40]

@@TheGoldenBoo what is self insert? I know i have a weird running style (looks like male healthy running animation) but my knee dont let me run in other way

[@NotSCP-682]

Im saying this as a killer main, all they had to do to nerf boons was make it so destroying a boon destroyed the totem.

[@Hiswf_]

3:47 that caught me off guard

[@briggsgametime]

A way they could rework Freddy? Revert him to his previous version but add some new changes. Survivors when asleep should be harder to wake, but, they have reduced action speed when asleep.

[@francomiele5337]

the biggest downgrade was going from no skull merchant to skull merchant.

[@lapisinfernalis9052]

13:17 Object user here. I like this perk more than Distortion tbh, because I don't like the perma stealth. True is that the perk "betrays" you when you don't want it to, whihc is especially bad if you are the last person alive. With the recent DS buff it happens quite often, that you are not the obsession at the start of the match which actually benefits you, as the downside is gone. 14:09 I played Freddy before the rework and even though he was the worst killer he had a decent amount of depth to his power. Then they made him strong but boring, and now he is mediocre and boring. In addition they gave a large part of his old power to Sadako (not being able to hit people unless manifested, Undetectable while demanifested with a lullaby, phases of invisibility while manifesting). Basically Sadako is what a reworked Freddy should have been.

[@Xr4m0nX16]

BABY WAKE UP ,KYTO POSTED

[@rafaelcastro2591]

I do understand what you mean with the "graphics" point there. Im a OG DbD player, and the game was so much different back then. The places where dark, somber..the killers OMG they where something to be afraid of. Being stealthy paid off handsomely. Like everything changed so much. Back then it was a terror game, now I feel its more like an action game.

[@Cazzyy]

They gutted everything fun about the flashlight and honestly thats what made survivor the most fun

[@sf8262]

Facts. The amount of skill expression in positioning and timing flashlight saves is second to none. Playing lightburn "hide n seek" with the wraith was pretty dang fun too

[@alter6243]

I completely agree that the new map design is boring. As a killer, there are hardly any loops that let you “outplay” the survivors, especially when it is so easy to hit survivors through vaults. As a survivor, you’re more often than not at the mercy of rng. Should we have as many safe loops as we had back then? Definitely not, but keep in mind that killers already have the wall breaking mechanic to help them with loops. Most outside loops are unsafe and inside loops can be manipulated by the killer. I am not asking for loops to be made safer, I want more loops that require thought from both players. Not loops where one player is forced into a lose lose situation that the only way out is horrible play from the other player.