£2000 Road Bike with Fast Wheels & Disc Brakes 🤔

You asked the question, we tried to answer it. Can it be done?
Items featured:
Tifosi Rostra Frameset
Forme Calva Frameset
VEL 50 RL Wheelset
FFWD Ryot 44 Wheelset
ZIPP 303s Wheelset
ProLogo Dimension Saddle
Shimano 105 Disc Groupset
#bikemechanic #roadbikes #cycling

[@andrewwoffinden8671]

I love how we’ve got to the point where it’s almost like a crazy project to try to put together a bike for £2k..

[@KNURKonesur]

I know everyone slags cable disc brakes, but I am a living breathing case for using them. The case is: very heavy rider + bikepacking bags fully loaded for a multiday cycle and camping + deep into Cairngorms or deep beyond Ullapool + shit weather and being far from any civilisation, let alone a good bike shop :)

[@jackiegammon2065]

I love all the thoughts of your discussion, although I will admit that I'm a bit 'old school.' I truly HATE tubeless wheels, especially for a road bike and haven't seen many actually have good luck. Now that is coming from the shop perspective, as I own a small shop... so see more than the average person/cyclist. Disc brakes, I don't mind them on my fatbike or mtn bike, but do not want them on my road bike. The truth is that I don't want the added weight nor do I have issues with stopping power on rim brakes. Thanks for sharing this post, fun to think about for sure.

[@Mapdec]

Thanks Jackie

[@531c]

Your enthusiasm is contageous, great video. There are many £2000 bikes with 105 hydraulic , no shortage now, plenty of sales on. + 1 for Planet x and take a look at Spa cycles, and for great quality at £2100 is the Fairlight Faran. Forget about bike weight until your own bodyweight is within 7 lb of your ideal weight.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

So just buy another bike when you get within 7lbs of your ideal weight instead of just buying that lighter bike(if it's within your means) while you lose weight?

[@ostapk8624]

I will probably pick and build my next bike myself like that, since I really struggle with the stock bike configurations. I was considering a job-bike-leasing program through my employer, but what little I can save there (most savings are for my employer saving on taxes) gets eaten up by the crazy prices for stock bikes. Looking at the catalogue options of the previously mentioned Look 765 Optimum: The SRAM Rival model with dirt cheap alloy wheels costs more than a self-built 765 from the frameset, with SRAM Force and Zipp 303s wheels, even when buying the components at retail prices individually. So between bike shop and Look they charge over 1500 western currency just for assembling the bike.

[@draugmithrin]

Self-build means you know the bike inside/out and future maintenance is easy as you'll have all the tools and knowledge. The cost is spread out by buying parts with expendable income, no need to take out finance.

[@dylangrantz8124]

Yep building a 90s road bike with modern drive train would be the right choice. Price 105 rim brake stuff it is almost free. Rival 22 is cheap. Centaur 11 Speed Groupset is 750 bucks online. A resto mod is the right answer. I love disc but I certainly know they are not needed at all for the casual rider. Heck the first disc win for the TDF was the last one. They are not needed unless you want to run highend carbon in the winter. But that is stupid also winter winds make those carbon wheels pointless except for the bling factor. I get the Young dude that pays bills bleeding brakes and routing hoses and di2 crap is pushing them just like the manufacturers are. Not necessary at all for most riders and rides. Now if you only race criteriums yeah you NEED them. But if it is about fitness and riding with friends you don't. The crap talk about cable discs is stupid also. I run them on my bike packing travel rig. Set up right and good ones work great. No worries in packing into the flight case. My pauls klampers with good housings out perform all but my campy ekar brakes. Better than shimano I have ridden and sram i own. Yeah harder to pull but they work great. They are the right choice for some bikes and rides. In the middle of Mexico finding someone to bleed your brakes good luck with that one. But then again most high end disc hidden cable di2 carbon aero rides I see are getting coffee and not doing much else but riding to get snacks and coffee on beautiful days.

[@monetaryjack1705]

TRP Spyre are excellent mechanical calipers that are "dual" and all you need is to make sure you put in decent pads and run a decent compressionless outer cable (like their own brand!). I think for the average Joe that hydraulic is overkill, and on a road bike I'm not sure I'd want that stopping power on skinny tyres in the wet. Mechanical is in the middle as it means you're not wearing away your precious wheels unlike rim brakes which get filthy in the wet too... (But off road it's hydraulic every time- XT on mine)

[@veganpotterthevegan]

I have Spyres on 3 drop bar bikes and love them. But it's not like you're perpetually locking out brakes with hydraulic. You're simply not squeezing as hard for the same braking. I have Spyres because they're light, relatively cheap and I hate how hydraulic brifters feel in my hands. But hydraulic with brifters are certainly better in every other way and even the hand feel is better for some.

[@grahambleach]

As much as I’m happy with my Spyre and it is fractionally better than the Hayes CX Expert it replaced, I would get hydraulic discs immediately if it wasn’t such a ridiculously expensive upgrade. But this is where we are with Road disc brakes. The Spyre caliper costs more than the Shimano MT201 set, which while pretty basic brakes in the mtb world, are unarguably far better.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@Graham Bleach the issue with road bikes is the cost of the hydraulic brifters over the actual caliper.

[@stibra101]

Much better option for that money is to invest in the state of the art steel frame from 90s, sometime for 300-500 EUR in NOS or near NOS condition, FFWD tubular carbon rim brake wheels and 105 R7000 groupset. Enough left for saddle, seatpost, handlebars, stem, pedals, bar tape, cables and nice Veloflex tubulars. It will be around 8.5-9 kg with pedals. It will ride so much better than bike on video.

[@stephensaines7100]

Bingo! But fantasists don't want to hear reason. They can fly close to the Sun with the latest, greatest piece of carbon bling.

[@borano2031]

Do you think the tubular wheelset will match the allround criteria opted for in this clip?? Dont tell me about tubulars, have 15 extra wheelsets, 11 are tubular wheels. I know enough about them to ask the question as above. RGr

[@stibra101]

@@borano2031 What is the problem with tubulars?

[@Mapdec]

The ninety’s were a long time ago. I’m not into retro, the past wasn’t better.

[@stibra101]

@@Mapdec I have more fun riding my retro steel bikes with modern components than new Carbon Colnago with Dura Ace Di2.

[@luv23c]

I demoed a Forme Lathkill mtb a few or so years back. It was a bit of alright to ride. The standout was how tidy and neat the welds were. Externally they looked really very good. Also loved the braille contours of Lathkill imprinted over the frame. A nice touch on a rather nice frame🤟

[@chaosrides3079]

I mostly do vintage bike builds and I can do a very very good build for 1300 USD, all campy, but when asked, I always recommend a brand new bike. Unless you plan on building multiples its not worth the tool investment alone, and the technology is soooo much better. I noticed you didn't budget any time or money for the actual assembly of the bike.

[@Mapdec]

True.

[@mattsnowdon7341]

I think some of the best value for money at the minute is with Ribble, yet I very rarely ever hear them mentioned. I don’t know many peoples opinions on ribble but if you look on their website some of the deals they have on there at the minute are fantastic. I just bought the Endurance SL with an ultegra DI2 groupset for £3000. To the best of my knowledge no other brands are offering the value they are.

[@Mapdec]

I’m not going down that rabbit hole 😂

[@mattsnowdon7341]

@@Mapdec any particular reason you have a distaste for ribble from a mechanics point of view? (I’m just a student looking for value for money)

[@Mapdec]

I have published a couple of shorts on ribble. It’s complicated

[@mattsnowdon7341]

@@Mapdec just watched the short. Interesting to say the least and highlights the risk of buying online. Appreciate the response and thank you for all the videos recently, been loving the content!

[@JamesSocialCycling]

My Topstone is a shadow of its former self, 105 all over for winter riding(changed the crankset) and will add GRX Crank and Mech for Summer gravel. That is my fun, love tinkering with set up and love taking things apart and upgrading or adapting. My Emonda alr5 was purchased as a frame and built up using some components I had waiting to be used. Levers are 105 5600’s or 5800’s 🧐 if I remember rightly, the rest of the Groupset is 7000. You wouldn’t recognise it out of the catalogue as it’s unique, like my Topstone. That’s the way I like it. It’s set up for me😊 Just find stock bikes expensive😉 Cheers😊👍

[@Mapdec]

Top stone carbon? If so pay careful attention to changing cranks. It’s one messed up BB

[@JamesSocialCycling]

@@Mapdec Ali😊👍

[@JamesSocialCycling]

@@Mapdec I’ve had too many problems with Carbon PF BB’s to be going there for now, as you and Hambini have pointed out, 98% of frames are Shite, not worth my hard earned cash🙈

[@Pillokun]

The only thing I would change is the wheels, for a street/road bikes I would rather have low profile rims for best comfort and lightness. Deep rim wheels feels so stiff for a street/ budget oriented road bike, but I guess that is because I am a dude that like comfort :P anybody else feeling similar to me about that?

[@borano2031]

Agree about the wheels. These bikes are too slow, not commenting about the rider here, to gain from high carbon rims. However, they look sexy.. And aluminium rims are strong and much cheaper to replace. Rgr

[@mariofonseca9267]

Agree 100%

[@WayneCouyon]

Something like a DT Swiss ER1600 is a much better choice for such a project.

[@AndrewCoakley]

7:59 " Your mileage may vary" The most literal use of the phrase I've heard in a while! 😆

[@daniellovett6213]

Great video,but seriously you'd put zipps on a cheap frameset and tiagra! Think I'd get a nicer frame and good aluminum wheels especially as most of us arent racing and wouldn't want to run carbon wheels in the winter!

[@joekawasaki]

I feel that if the bike is going to stay as is forever (at least the foreseeable future) aluminum frame/carbon wheels would be ideal for the price. If like me & distracted by shiny things, the nicer carbon frame is key since the rest is replaced soon-ish.

[@MrSzwarz]

I bought Focus Cayo disc for 2K. 950g Carbon grane with Rival 11 speed hydro brałeś and DT Swiss wheels, plus Fizyk saddle. In 2015. St that time 2-2.2K was planty of choice.

[@Mapdec]

I bet it’s still going strong too.

[@galenkehler]

I built up a similar priced bike direct from some reputable manufacturers in china, but it's full carbon. I went with ultegra di2, but it didn't cost much because I went 1x.

[@lovenottheworld5723]

One way of picking the fast, high mileage riders on a training ride is to look at the wheels and tires. They're the ones with the heavier, tougher, more durable, cheaper, slower wheels and tires. The expensive stuff is saved for race day. If they trained on racing tires they'd be getting new ones every few weeks.

[@GenericPurpleTurtle]

I've had 2 bikes with mechanical disc brakes, both sets of brakes have been good 👍

[@filipkopca4996]

Second that. I kept mechanicals on my gravel/road bike (tektro spyre, galfer pads & rotors) Mid range housing / cables. Quite usable, reliable even heavily loaded and doing technical descending. One thing I LOVE about them is, being spring loaded, they always come away from rotor and never ever rub! But I AGREE, the vast majority of mechanical disc calipers fitted as an OE are rubbish, downright dangerous even. Including the ones I replaced. BTW I'm primarily used to hydros from MTB. And I can also see why people want to hold on to road rim brakes too.

[@ivankrsnik9640]

I had similar budget, but decided for used road bike. Did not hurry and waited to find something interesting. I bought 2020 scott addict 10, ultegra groupset, rim brakes. Had only 200km, state 10/10, not a single scrach or sign of use. Costed 1500 euros. I bought prime carbon wheelset and new GP5000 tyres. About 2000 euros in total. 7.5 kg without pedals in size 56. Very happy with that. IMHO much better value than your example.

[@Mapdec]

Some great 2nd hand deals if you’re confident with it.

[@ivankrsnik9640]

@@Mapdec There are cases when people buy wrong size and then sell brand new bike

[@TDZed]

Have you tried Hutchinson Fusion 5 tires? they've been pretty good to me. Well priced, easy tubeless and they hold air better than inner tubes. Made in France. Pretty sure they are Trek's tire maker...? I do like the Pirellis P Zero, they are my current tires but they are much stiffer than the GP5000s and the Hutchison Fusion 5s. Zero issues with the Pirellis so far after 4k km with them.

[@Mapdec]

Yeah. We had a few delaminate last year, but we are coming back to them hoping they sorted things out because they were good.

[@cornelhughes6763]

Yes they are good, plus the price is lower compared to similar spec

[@phil_d]

I keep saying it!! Hutchinson Fusion5 Performance TL. They may not be the fastest, but: Easy to fit (Hunt rims). No compressor needed. Don't rip or tear (I use them everyday for commuting). One tiny puncture hole (milKit sealed it). Long lasting (they claim 4000km and I believe that). I've set them up with milKit sealant, which I rate extremely highly. It is synthetic latex so it doesn't dry out out and is fairly thick so holds the fibres evenly in the fluid (unlike Silca, which IMO is rubbish). In 4 weeks I've lost 5psi of pressure (I run c.70psi) which I put down to the sealant not drying out. Give them a go!

[@Mapdec]

We have. Loads of them blistered and delaminated, we lost a load of money warranty them. Next time the rep is in I’ll ask if they got it sorted. Been a bit stung.

[@phil_d]

@@Mapdec Ah, poop. Not good to hear. Was that from downhill speeds do you think?

[@WayneCouyon]

In 2016, a Rose X-Lite CRS 4400 was 2500 euros, brand new. Sram Force groupset, Ritchey carbon seatpost, stem and handbar, DT Swiss R21 Dicut wheelset, GP 4000S2 tyres. 6,8 kg w/o pedals. Absolutely ridiculous where we ended up.

[@GNX157]

I try and tell everyone I know who gets a new bike, no matter what type, to buy an extra derailleur hanger right away, but I don’t know of one who followed my advice. Interestingly, I ordered a bike (hard tail mtb) from REI on sale, their store brand ‘CO-OP’, and at the same time said, order me a DH, which they did. During delivery there was a bag of kit that went with it, various extra fasteners, brake blocks, and interestingly, an extra DH, which surprised me. Now I have two extra lol. I wonder are there other brands that do this?

[@Mapdec]

Actually Cinelli do this, interesting.

[@borano2031]

Aaaahhh, spares.. My own hangup... Rgr

[@gavroagogo]

It's pronounced 'Carver'.... A village between Bakewell and Sheffield. A real shame Forme changed factories from the first iteration, to maintain the £600 price point. They were a pound lighter. I've built probably a hundred since they launched, and I got Tim Gould's race bikes down to 7.4kg, not bad for cross bikes.

[@Mapdec]

Nice.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Love my high end bike with SRAM red but TRP Spyres. I have the Ratio Technology 12sp conversion. I can't stand hydraulic hoods and the brakes are great with compressionless housing. They're also far lighter than hydraulic brakes.

[@cornelhughes6763]

Yep I have tried Juin tech brakes and its good. Understand Zrace BR005 (4 pistons) is even better (will try shortly)

[@renegadeflyer2]

I have spent less than $1500. Canadian for my last one. Velobuild Rim brake endurance with 105. I did have the seat, handlebars, rims and tires

[@ben1619]

Could you do a video on common pitfalls when upgrading your first road bike?

[@Mapdec]

Umm. Interesting

[@AlanLyne]

Would really love a video going over the Forme Calver frame in more detail. Looks like amazing value for what you get but very little online in terms of reviews etc. Also I'm really going to miss the daily uploads haha

[@Mapdec]

Thanks Alan. I think we will do more of this next season. We have a few custom projects already lined up.

[@Andy-co6pn]

Love the enthusiasm you have for bikes and bike tech, keep up the great work 👍

[@JayLato]

Agreed, but don’t burn yourself out @mapdec

[@Mapdec]

Daily’s until the World Cup is won, then back to weekly. Learning so much with this challenge.

[@hambo76]

Can you do the same for a 1x gravel bike please? Primarily someone that wants to commute and go on gravel (no dropper needed).

[@Mapdec]

Sure. If we get one to film.

[@JonathanMallett]

Wheels are one of the easiest things to upgrade in a bike down the line. For that reason, I would probably go for the better frameset and get a decent finishing everything else.

[@Mapdec]

Sure, but this is £2000, done, no future upgrades.

[@mtbboy1993]

2:07 Mechanical brakes where you can only adjust one piston and have to move the caliper over closer to the disc is absurd. actually decent mechanical brakes is feasible. TRP Spyke. it works well on an hardtail, but not an full suspension bike, has to have extra hose, and at the head tube it might be problematic, as there will be some wire pull if turning to extreme angle. the pistons on TRP Spyke eventually wore out after 2 years I think it was, you know when the Loctite 243 no longer helps to keep them secure, but that's easy to swap. with mechanical brakes you have to deflate the shock, or remove the coil. I had 1700mm uncut hose, so did not have to cut it. but now I have Formula Cura 4, there was shortage, butt then Geometron got them in stock, I see retailers have them in stock too, like bikester. TRP Spyke has independently adjustable dual pistons, one arm actuates them both. the caliper works well, but has an heavy return spring, so not ideal for kids, nor road bikes. There is TRP Spyre which is the road version, I am not sure what the difference actually is apart from the name and colour. Thye were fatiguing in the start, but I rode and was braking so much I worked up the stretch so when I returned to them it was no longer an issue, but the crazy amount of play in the brake levers was annoying, it was bad when new, but once nylon bushings wore there was a dead throw, so travel before the wire got pulled. not optimal. so as brake levers go I don't know of an decent mechanical lever yet. the pricier TRP levers go out of adjustment, the lever body flexes and the bolt unthread from the body, so you don't really have reach adjustment then, but Spyke lever has the adjustment at the lever blade, it works well, never comes loose. But I prefer hydraulic brakes, if they are reliable. So far I am happy with Formula Cura 4.

[@gregkane8635]

Tcr advanced 2 disc on sale at the minute is about 1700 then wheels 303s perhaps I’d take that over any alloy 2900 bike

[@anthonylarson7919]

in regards to The Super Six... how has this become ?....we have got to stop buying bikes with "throw away" wheel sets. Tell the suppliers to put decent wheels on or stuff it.

[@Mapdec]

I know.

[@mariofonseca9267]

And decent size tires not 25 mm.

[@cornelhughes6763]

Disagree with you regarding the mechanical disc brakes. There are some good ones out there that are good value plays (Juin Tech, ZRACE Br005). The key is to use compressionless housing, plus also play with disc pads (semi metalic). Until the price of of full hydraulic get;s lower, will stick with semi

[@Mapdec]

Got a video coming about Juin. Lethal.

[@sparkvideos77]

I'd go second hand with a carbon frame inspection. A surprising amount of people splash out on nice bikes/components and are either upgrade happy or don't use them.

[@Paddystyx]

Excellent as alway. Interesting topic.

[@MrJohnnyorange]

Don't know a great deal about bicycles, but couldn't you just buy a Canyon Endurace 6, and put some nice wheels on it?

[@Mapdec]

Sort of like buying a suit from the supermarket and a silk tie from Savile Row

[@MrJohnnyorange]

@@Mapdec Please excuse my ignorance (honestly), but is a Tifosi (etc.) frame so much better than the Endurace?

[@Onigure]

What's wrong with gp5000? I have to import Pirelli's to my country, delivery prices are going nuts.

[@Mapdec]

They just wear out really fast and the side walls get all tatty and frayed

[@battlebbot]

The reality of where we are headed, at full speed, doesn't seem to have sunk in yet? Recycling used bikes, and cost-effective luggage carrying capacity, seem far more to the point than spending large sums on bikes, which are not likely to serve much practical purpose in the UK version of the CCP?

[@stephensaines7100]

You're totally correct, but mere mortals and practical thinking don't count when you have to have the glossiest, most glittery, fashion outfit with garish colours and labels of your favourite players all over..oh...and a bike to match.

[@battlebbot]

@@stephensaines7100 Its all bullshit, and when we are CCPUK, the latest fashions will count for very little.

[@Mapdec]

😳

[@veganpotterthevegan]

There have always been people lopping up used bikes. That's nothing new. Know how people get used bikes? They get them when other people buy new bikes.

[@battlebbot]

@@veganpotterthevegan My point was that we will very soon be living in CCPUK, and the value of the bikes covered in this channel, will be very limited! I cant find one single bike related channel on here, which is reflective of the reality of where we are headed, merely the same old stuff, about the latest and greatest way of encouraging us to spend money?

[@geoffwalmsley3066]

2k for a aluminium frame, you can get carbon bike with 105,hydraulic brakes,planetx, ribble to name two

[@Mapdec]

Yeah. Exactly

[@richardporte7802]

I would get a nearly new bike with a guarantee from a bike shop

[@ronitdebnath]

Giant Contend SL1, Trek Emonda ALR.

[@bobtahar]

£2k could get us a fully integrated carbon aero bike with 50mm carbon wheelset and full R8000 hydraulic disc brake (Polygon Helios A8) in Malaysia. At £2.75k I could get basically all of the above but with 105 Di2 groupset (Polygon Helios A7X)

[@Mapdec]

😳

[@chrismeyer9990]

I really need to look up that video about the 303s, because up 'till now I could not see much being wrong with them, even if you say that replacement bearings are expensive.

[@anthonylarson7919]

YES....I was going to buy a set until I saw the video here. Now I am apprehensive although everything looks good. And I have 404 that have been great

[@chrismeyer9990]

​@@anthonylarson7919 I still strongly consider them, even after the other video: how often does one change bearings in wheels after all. Affordable, not heavy, known brand with good warranty and I havn't seen a single complaint about them online, that is enough for me.

[@borano2031]

@@chrismeyer9990 Check Mapdec´s own clip here about the 303s wheels, and you may reconsider.... Rgr

[@chrismeyer9990]

@@borano2031Zipp fixed the wheels, most likely under warranty, and I'm not surprised a bike mechanic gets to see broken products daily. But the forums would be full of horror stories if these wheels were rubbish. Both the Pacenti and the ffwd are nice, but double the price when built with branded hubs, so really they are in a different league. Everything @Mapdec recommends looking for in wheels are there on the 303s: brass nipples, good spokes, good warranty, spare parts for the hubs, even if the bearings are on the expensive side.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@Chris Meyer I have Pacentis and 303s wheels. A wind tunnel would really be needed to see if they're actually better. I've had the Pacentis for a couple years and the Zipps for one year. So far, I don't perceive one being better than the other

[@philipwoodhouse7371]

I still really enjoy riding my Kinesis Racelight winter bike which I have had for nearly 15 years.

[@Mapdec]

thats an excellent bike, almost made the video. Just don't like their current paint jobs as much as the Forme.

[@oftankoftan]

My old boss and colleague got a great deal on 2 Giant TCR disc with ultegra. 2000€ each. not used. brand new.

[@Mapdec]

Wow.

[@mbee6606]

I have just bought a carbon holdsworth disc with sram rival from Planet X. Reduced from £1899 to £999 in a flash sale. Absolute bargain 😊

[@Mapdec]

Holy S… all the parts are worth more than that.

[@Jack42Frost]

You make fun interesting videos. I hope the industry doesn't come along and munch you up. I ride an Olmo Sanremo which cost me 120€. And I could not be happier.

[@Mapdec]

eek. What would that look like?

[@Glebaka]

Why to choose 105 if u have sensah empire 2x11 for 350$ and it lighter than 105.

[@Mapdec]

Because I’m not going to get involved in the warranty and accountability of that. I have a responsibility for the safety of my customers. What you choose as a home mechanic is your own risk.

[@folkerst]

This is a wierd "discussion". You have your budget: stick to it! Buy the orbea and upgrade on the wheels! It isn"t that difficult.

[@mariofonseca9267]

Orbea is a Spanish brand. I’m not buying that. Lol

[@TheMoodyedge]

Just got my new Yoeleo frame yesterday. Very impressed with the finish but it's already giving me a headache with headset/spacer/stem options. Got a Ritchey comp switch semi internal routing bar, stem and top headset but the top headset cap/shround/cover/spacer sits way too high out the frame. Stuggling to come up with any solution, other than wait a 45 day lead time for the Yoeleo 1 piece carbon bar which I dont want. 1 piece carbon bars are usually 440 max and I want a 460 which they dont make. Anybody else had a similar issue?

[@Mapdec]

Have you measured up for an alternative headset bearing?

[@TheMoodyedge]

@@Mapdec The narrowest one I can find is 6.5mm which doesn't get me anywhere near where it needs to be unfortunately 🙈 52x40x6.5. back to the drawing board. Next idea is to try an fsa/vision NS SMR stem...even that headset top cap appears to have quite a gap based on images I have seen...i giess the top bearing isnt as deep into the yoeleo as others 🙄 Confirmation came through, I have a place on the Fred...times ticking 😱😆 🚴‍♂️💨

[@Mapdec]

Cool. Get training. May comes round fast.

[@gregbyrne7725]

Very useful chat, how much would your local bike shop then charge to put all the bits together?

[@Mapdec]

For that kind of bike. 2 hours labour is enough.

[@gregbyrne7725]

@@Mapdec cheers, Happy Christmas

[@zyghom]

2k new or 4k second hand for 2k ;-)

[@themoodyteam]

Where is the industry going?!? If there’s a move from mech to hydro discs, will there be a subsequent move from mech to electronic groupsets?

[@galenkehler]

Yes. I think electronic gears are going to be the future standard. Everything is expensive when it's new, and there's a bunch of lower budget groupsets coming in spring 2023. It's a simpler thing to do, ironically.

[@Mapdec]

Yep. Driven by riders, this is what we are asked for and what folk are loving.

[@anthonylarson7919]

the market drive where the industry goes...don't buy the overpriced shite and the manufacturers will adapt

[@kidkarbon4775]

A 2k road bike for my taste would be a single speed or fixed gear Cinelli with an alloy frame.

[@Mapdec]

That’s an acquired taste Kid!! I bet you drink Talisker.

[@kidkarbon4775]

@@Mapdec who are you talking to 😲

[@Nahhnope]

Just saying, I fit 36s on my CAAD13

[@Mapdec]

oh wow!

[@sham2613]

Id love that question answered by a professional like yourself. Al frame with carbon wheels or carbon frame with shit wheels. With no future add ons, I’d go with Al frame.

[@Mapdec]

Yep. Me too.

[@dogukantosun5547]

or you can buy running shoes :(

[@Mapdec]

I feel like I completed running about ten years ago now. I can’t say I miss it. 😂

[@thegrizzlys]

100% build the bike, not get one off the peg

[@MrBusunglueck]

Tifosi Frames are a waste of money imo. ZERO quality.

[@Mapdec]

Oh. What’s happened?

[@MrBusunglueck]

@@Mapdec My friend bought one of their bikes (the aero one, is that one called auriga?). Basically everything about it was about as crooked as i have seen. The head set alignment was tilted, so that the front wheel wasnt running in front of the back wheel properly. When i was riding behind him, it looked like he was riding a bike that had been in an accident. I would much rather buy from aliexpress...

[@borano2031]

@@MrBusunglueck Hambini´s rant on Tifosi is a modern classic... Rgr

[@jaredfontaine2002]

If you get rid of those useless rubbing noisy disc brakes, You can get a full carbon Beautiful Pinarello Gan 105 with sexy curvy and Italian class and prestage... Endurance geo...

[@jaredfontaine2002]

I bought mine for only $2250 free shipping I can easily upgrade the wheels to a really nice Stan no tube alloy wheelset 1300 grams forget your aero crap or I could get a really nice wheelset for 500 to 700 so I would have a full carbon road bike AND wheels under $3k for your squealing heavy disc brakes and that bike would be around 17 Ibs easily and your pig ugly alloy bike would be 21 Ibs and this is an aero bike. So the Pinarello would be more aero and lighter than some one on a $7k Trek Madone lol...

[@Mapdec]

I’m ok thanks. I like disc

[@jaredfontaine2002]

@@Mapdec You like spending more money for an inferior bike???

[@anielyantra1]

Maybe I'm crazy (that's probably true!) But why would you spend 2000$ on a bike when you can buy a used one for 500$ and spend 500$ and upgrade it? You are just buying industry hype if you spend that kind of money or are you buying name? Where has your critical thinking gone. Why spend crazy money on 13 gears when you can't maximize 9?

[@Mapdec]

That wasn’t the theame of the vid. A lot of people really trust and value a new thing, that’s safe, has a warranty and someone to be accountable

[@Andy-co6pn]

Probably get a slagging for this but I really fancy an On-One Rujo as a commuter/gravel bike currently on sale at £999 at the mo.

[@stephensaines7100]

I had to look that up, Googling for the name shows various hits. It wouldn't be for me, but it would certainly suit a lot of persons looking to buy. I'm really not a fan of 1X for a variety of reasons, but compared to what else is available new and retail right now, that looks like a good option. I know it's not popular to say so, but carbon for much of anything that claims to be 'gravel' or 'off-road' just lends itself to one big accident, and it's finished. Steel is still the material of choice for longevity, stability and ability to bend straight (with caveats) after a 'bender'. There's a reason that springs are made from steel v aluminum or carbon.

[@Andy-co6pn]

@@stephensaines7100 yeah I know what you mean about 1x, chain line isn't great etc , but where I live it's not mega steep. I don't ride on the road except for commute which is 50/50 and not every day, and I'm certainly not fast to warrant a bike that accelerates quickly for sprinting , more of a sitter and spinner.

[@michaelb9664]

Dunno why you should be slagged off. The Rujo is a cracking bike.

[@Andy-co6pn]

@@michaelb9664 I know, I bought one 😁. There's a lot of bike snobbery around unfortunately 😕

[@michaelb9664]

@@Andy-co6pn agreed!