2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY: HAL Deliberately Caused The Antennae Failure and Here's Why!

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@jonchowe 5 ай бұрын

The first 30 seconds of this video alone show that you have thought about this film more than most critics.

@godfatherofcinema 5 ай бұрын

Right on Jon, much appreciated!!

@willworldwide 5 ай бұрын

this analysis is absolutely incredible. thank you once again for bringing much needed clarification to a film as deep and complex as this

@godfatherofcinema 5 ай бұрын

Much appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to check it out and leaving this comment.

@willworldwide 5 ай бұрын

@@godfatherofcinema anytime! i truly appreciate your work. that last two minutes of your video helped clear up so much about the ending of that masterpiece

@colm-u8m 5 ай бұрын

Excellent and thought provoking analysis in explaining an extraordinarily difficult film to understand.

@godfatherofcinema 5 ай бұрын

MUCH APPRECIATED

@etwilli2 5 ай бұрын

Great review and insights on this movie. Have seen it a bunch of times, I knew what was going on, but now I know better! Keep up the good work!

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Much appreciated!

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@CoopersCrazy 2 ай бұрын

Fun fact: In an early screenplay, there was a character called Other HAL, who appeared during the deactivation and introduced himself "HAL's friend". He explains what the malfunction is, tells Dave about the secret mission, and highlights the complex emotional cocktail that formed HAL's progressively worsening mental imbalance. Among those emotions is "guilt, because of your faith in him, and because of his loyalty to you." He definitely felt guilty for the lies and his subconscious knew it, you are spot on there. I don't think the AE-35 error was deliberate, but rather a result of the unconscious desire to be cut off from mission control, who are monitoring his every action and acting as a conscience. Why would he purposefully create an impending failure only to put himself into a position where he is appearing to have made a serious mistake? Why, unless he genuinely thought something was wrong with the unit and is now frightened by the reality that he might be in error. He doesn't understand what's happening to him or why Dave and Frank, who had previously treated him as a trusted crewmate and friend, are turning on him now, literally going behind his back to plan his "murder" instead of sitting down with him to discuss it further like they would if they genuinely considered him their colleague. The malfunction that happened to HAL resembles paranoid schizophrenia, so I'm of the opinion that he *hallucinated* the AE-35 failure and was not consciously aware that there was nothing wrong with it. This could also explain the chess error, which is not very effective as a warning but could be an honest mistake. Neither source says it, but it would make sense if he was seeing, hearing, and sensing things that weren't really there. It is very interesting to think about his mental state; it's like he was split in two, one part knowing exactly what's going on but being unable to do anything about it, and the other not knowing what is wrong and desperately trying to pretend everything is fine. The existence of Other HAL in the early screenplay seems to support this; two halves of HAL, one that is emotional and begging for his life, and Other HAL, who is logical and knows he needs to be stopped. Other HAL tells Dave to finish deactivating him, trusting him to continue the mission. Speaking of Dave, I'm certain that if HAL really wanted Dave dead, he would be dead. With his complete control of the ship, there are quite a range of options for HAL to take in order to accomplish this, such as: - decompressing the bay and jettisoning Dave with no space suit/no way of propelling himself (he can open the pod bay door without prompting; he does so in the book, decompressing the entire ship and killing the hibernators that way, but Dave gets to an emergency oxygen closet and survives. Even so, HAL surely knew that closet was there and that Dave would have enough time to get to it.) - taking control of the pods, physically dragging Dave out into space with the mechanical arms, and leaving him there with no way of getting back - something as simple as using the pods to tear Dave into pieces - taking remote control of the pod once he was in it and sending Dave off into space never to return/decompressing the pod (although it is likely that the remote control function has to be manually turned on. In the book, Frank does so so HAL can help him see what he's doing with his headlights, but in the movie it's unclear.) - jettisoning Dave back out of the emergency airlock as soon as he has released the manual control holding it open, or simply refusing to open the door leading into the ship (although the sequel says that he does not have control of this airlock; - trapping Dave in a corridor by not opening the doors into the pod bay and the living area (although everything on the ship likely has a backup option for physically operating it in the event of computer failure) - if the murders were premeditated (which I don't believe they were), he could have quietly replaced the oxygen content in the ship with nitrogen until everyone passed out and died, solving his paradox in one fell swoop Dave, in fact, goes through the pod bay, the place with the most options for HAL to take, *twice*, the second time being on his way to the logic memory center. Nothing befalls him even though by all rights it should when this is HAL's last chance to save himself. You could call it plot armor, but the concept of Other HAL means it's more likely that HAL subconsciously *wanted* Dave to stop him. As for why he spares Dave and not the others, he seems to be closer to Dave over Frank platonically or even romantically, and he has no relationship with the hibernators at all. Dave is the one he trusts most, as evidenced by HAL's attempt to get him to understand that there are suspicious things about the mission. But because of the way HAL had to phrase it in order to even say anything, asking *Dave* if he feels that something is wrong instead of stating his own concerns plainly, Dave misunderstands and thinks that HAL is making a psychology report, as he is likely required to do once in a while. HAL, sounding unusually quiet, agrees and tries to play the whole thing off as silly, then immediately reports the AE-35 malfunction (which begs the question of if he wanted to try talking to Dave again, this time without mission control hanging over his shoulder). If Dave had begun to figure things out then, if he and Frank had gone to mission control and questioned them about the things HAL brought up and they debriefed them, then that would also solve the programming conflict and disaster could have been averted. HAL must have known what the solution to his problem was, but it would seem that he held off on actually carrying it out as long as he could, until a direct threat to the mission forced his hand. And in the end, Dave still cared for HAL and understood what happened to him, choosing to save him from the destruction of the Discovery and sharing his evolution with him, spending the rest of eternity together with their minds intertwined as Halman.

@godfatherofcinema 2 ай бұрын

You make some great arguments against HAL deliberately breaking contact with Earth here none of which I can disagree with. There are just so many layers to this great film. I did read the early screenplay with Other Hal years ago but for this analysis I went off the latter script and Clarke's amazing novelization that I enjoyed even more than the film. Until recently, I didn't know that it's a part of a series of books. A co worker who's read them all told me. My analysis + the ideas you list here is why films this intelligent will always be far and few between. I could only wonder how Kubrick would have followed this film up.

@CoopersCrazy 2 ай бұрын

@@godfatherofcinema Thank you! I have not finished reading the second book yet, but I picked up a lot of information from reading other people's analysis and screenshots of behind the scenes stuff. It's a truly great movie, and for me HAL 9000 is the character that makes me think the most about it. He might be a computer, but he's a very vivid reflection of humanity, and the relationship between him and Bowman, whatever that might be, is very interesting as well. One of the fun (and sometimes annoying) things about Space Odyssey media is that every book and movie have slight differences from each other that are accepted and not retconned at all. In one universe they went to Saturn and HAL decompresses the ship, in another universe they went to Jupiter and he locked Dave out of the ship instead. The movie does not override the book or vice versa, both are true. Even the early screenplay can be said to be canon, because the canon of Space Odyssey media is a bunch of parallel universes where things are slightly different.