2008 Dodge Charger R/T vs. 2008 Pontiac G8 GT | Edmunds.com

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Cars like the new 2008 Pontiac G8 GT and 2008 Dodge Charger R/T were once supposed to be every American's birthright. Brawny, V8-powered, relatively affordable rear-drive cruisers that can blow through a couple of big Western states in an afternoon at 90 mph - their drivers staring at the horizon through Ray-Bans, steering with one hand and smoking a Pall Mall with the other.

[@shortmanjon617]

The G8 was easily one of the most underrated cars of all time.

[@kevinmosteller447]

I owned both of these cars. I bought a 2008 Charger R/T off the lot with 19 miles on it. By the time it had 450 miles on it, it was a lemon. After I got my money back, I picked up a 2008 G8GT. Waaaaay more torque and power under the hood, handles so much better than the Charger, and better yet, nothing major has gone wrong with it in 7 years. #RIPPontiac

[@jaypee1313]

Good to know I'm picking one up in a few days. 3 test drive and a visit to my mechanic of 15 years and all is good :-D

[@i_read_bad_reviews]

+jaypee1313 been searching for one for a while now

[@FHFOFJHE]

I picked up my 08 charger with 42,000 in 2012 and today it has 152,000, still running like a champ!

[@TheBikemaster94]

Srt8 would be a more fair comparo with the 6.1

[@jbcarsvids4128]

@@FHFOFJHE what engine

[@18greene]

i just got home from driving one of my dads former coworker's business car back to the office which was a G8, the best car i have ever drove

[@redspeeder9848]

Someday, that Pontiac G8 GT will be mine. Someday......

[@BriveAW]

Update?

[@redspeeder9848]

@@BriveAW I have a Pontiac G5 GT now. Not anywhere near the G8s performance, but a peppy car nonetheless.

[@wigletron2846]

G8s are getting stupid hard to find

[@HighSpeedQ]

@@wigletron2846 exactly 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@USDM_Jesus]

​@@HighSpeedQbuy a crashed one

[@panzerfaust5046]

"With a base price of just under 30,000 dollars." Oh what a cruel thing hindsight is.

[@Wolfeyes1989PSN]

Proud owner of a 2009 G8 GT. Truly wish we could have seen what the next generation would have brought.

[@SS-Teebie]

The next generation Pontiac🇺🇸2008/09 G8🏁GT/Holden🇦🇺2006/12 VE Commodore SS-V🏁Redline was actually the Chevy🇺🇸2013/17🏁SS/Holden🇦🇺2013/17 VF Commodore SS-V🏁Redline!!!

[@blairwooten8019]

I also own a 09 G8 GT, love the car. Too bad GM axed Holden, they built great cars.

[@BMan100]

I drove one of those G8' GT's yesterday... GOOD GOD! I loved the brakes. and it' hard to believe that a 6 litre V8 can get the same MPG as my Grand prix GTP.

[@marcoarreola9058]

The g8 is hands down the best car I've ever owned. It can do it all. It can haul like no one's business, and can carry 5 grown adults comfortably. Can't beat the 6.0 l76 either. Mechanics I trust prefer it over the ls2.

[@dcr1545]

You can beat the L76 mate. The L98 is a way stronger and better motor.

[@FPSRelic]

​@@dcr1545 The L98 is an L76 with the DoD hardware removed, otherwise it was effectively the same engine. And the L98 was only ever available in Australia.

[@dcr1545]

@@FPSRelic Why yes it is. Are you trying to teach me? The L98 has a better cam as well which increases HP. The fact the DOD is removed makes it a more reliable alternative and a better engine. Also being a Australian I know we were the only one's to receive the L98 in a Commodore. Mate don't try to teach a Aussie about Commodore's.

[@FPSRelic]

@@dcr1545 Your statement was "the L98 is a way stronger and better engine" The key word being "way". I'm just pointing out that it isn't. Do a cam upgrade to both engines and you end up with the exact same engine. And what makes a "better" engine is subjective. If you do a lot of highway driving, the L76 can be a better engine as it can be more economical on fuel.

[@dcr1545]

@@FPSRelic it's not just the cam. It's also the lifters which is a problem in the L76 and L77 motor's. Yes you can get a cam upgrade but I was talking about from factory. Plus who in their right mind buys a V8 to save fuel? The L98 is a stronger motor. You can do a cam upgrade in a L98 and it will outperform a LS2 due to the L98 having LS3 head's but that's not what I stated. I simply said those who have a choice would chose a L98 over a L76 or L77 everyday of the week. Hey both have huge potential but it will cost you more to upgrade a L76 compared to a L98. That's fact.

[@vehicleheightrestriction]

God, I love the voice of the 6.0L

[@zilla0495]

Pontiac G8 is a way better cars hands down, from the interior to the exterior. performance all the way around and the wheels. I just don't understand why so many ppl chose chargers those two years

[@charlessynowiec3876]

even now i don’t understand. the g8 design is timeless

[@FanaticGuide]

Why the Charger felt like a Mercedes-Benz was because Chrysler was once owned by Mercedes-Benz before Chrysler was sold to Fiat

[@StormAutoAdventures]

13.6 @ 105! That's awesome! Especially for the money =)

[@dustindowlin501]

#BringBackPontiac

[@G8GTJav]

Looked at both before buying. G8 had much nicer interior and was more unique/rare. Also liked motor (6.0 L76 w/ L92 heads). Got my 2009 GT w/ sport package for 28K! Great handling and steering. Also, with 50/50 weight dist, can really swing the tail out and control it. Too much fun in the mountains. Have added ECM/TCM tune, Corsa Exh, Vararam CAI & turned off DOD. Now it's an animal and very responsive. Plus, get 28 mpg on long trips. Thanks Australia & Bob Lutz. Awesome car.

[@nabahmadi5012]

Did you ever benefit form DOD?🤔

[@Jetanium]

11 years later and a used G8 is $28k

[@StudioTman]

I love the G8 GT! It's super fun to drive around and take joyrides in.

[@Mossed786]

They should've done a review of the 2009 Charger RT vs 2009 G8 GT. The 5.7 hemi was revised in 09 with a 28 horsepower gain over the outgoing 340hp engine we see in this video

[@BladeEdge121212]

And then they killed it off. SMH

[@amorenoAM1973]

It would still be here if they called it and replaced the Impala.

[@wigletron2846]

@@amorenoAM1973 they did bring it over as a caprice but it was law enforcement only

[@haiUnderground]

@@amorenoAM1973 the Chevy SS is a Pontiac G8.

[@healthycigarettes5088]

@@haiUnderground Yes I know that. BUT the Chevy SS never had a more budget friendly V6 version like the Pontiac G8. Both the Pontiac G8 and G8 GT sold pretty well until GM got rid of Pontiac. Had the car been brought over to the US as a replacement of the Impala and never been a Pontiac then would it have never been a Chevy SS and there would be a V6 and V8 version. Would it still be here now?

[@haiUnderground]

@@healthycigarettes5088 maybe, maybe not. It depends on if GM allowed the hsv models to sell in the USA, which they never did. Those holdens are so much better than the base model junk (not actually junk but you get my point) we received

[@mahilamaseli415]

0.34 "These two all american badboys"....ahhh no - the G8 was designed and built ground up in good ol australia....

[@nostalgiadad7137]

+Mahila Maseli LOL. The dodge was/ is built in Canada. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brampton_Assembly

[@AM-wi6zo]

Mahila Maseli Yea but its Australia so who fucking cares

[@markarnold6257]

and...the R/T is based on a Benz. welcome to world car wars. I had a G8 GXP, and always gave credit to the Ozzies for such a great car, but the star of that show is the motor. All American baby! (Same for the Hemi)

[@joshuaheaton9153]

Who gives a crap the motor is all Murcia baby

[@randomdude4669]

And the dodge is owned by fiat neither are very "true American cars"

[@piwright42]

Engine options for the G8 are: 3.6L LLT V6 (300 hp), 6.0L L76 V8 (361 hp), And the 6.2L LS3 V8 (415 hp, GXP only). Transmissions are 5 speed automatic, 6 speed automatic, and a 6 speed manual, (apparently for the GXP only).

[@statesmanls1]

When holden started they were what I think is called a vertically tiered company. What that meant is that every part that was needed to build their cars was built in house. Holden even made the nuts and bolts that was needed I believe. The involvement in the G8(commodore) was very limited. The US provided the motor and the gearbox. Australia did the rest. The chasis was built on a global GM platform that Holden was contracted to design. I believe it is called the sigma platform.

[@Angel-HC]

Rest In Peace Pontiac :'(

[@BigKleib34]

@scotty688 Holden and GM are one and the same. LMAO. Go to the website fools. It even says "GM Holden" on the bottom.

[@Football45K]

Love my '09 G8! Just about to roll 60k and I plan on driving it until it dies. Hope they eventually produce the Chevy Caprice (police version of new G8) for the public!

[@mjdc2505]

Is the GXP video on here on youtube and will they show it's performance and can it burnout better than the SRT-8 because I would love to see it happen.

[@jarrett1422]

@ChevyMan2195 I totally agree with you! I love my G8 with a burning passion and wont trade it for anything and still not happy at GM for killing Pontiac but i still wont buy any other company

[@sothron]

Yes, I can say the same about the Charger. There's loads of backseat space plus a good sized trunk. I've driven a G8, it felt weak frankly, when I drive my Charger it is a noticeable difference in power feel.

[@H1GHD3FF]

I had my G8 for almost 5 yrs and not major problem.... I am very happy with my car. And that new 2014 Chevy SS has litterally the same components as my G8

[@scarblade234]

It literally is a new G8. G8 was a 2006 Holden Commodore, SS is a 2013

[@H1GHD3FF]

I love my car still. No problems to this day, not one

[@scarblade234]

Pretty amazing considering the car came out in 2006 and the platform was first shown with a concept in 2004. If you get a chance, sit in a SS. Holden really upgraded the interior and its a world beater. Not to mention the SS gets MRC with 2015 model year. MRC is only on our top of the range, LSA powered GTS trim.

[@hpjunke]

Still have mine 8 years of ownership and love this car

[@davidenobile426]

6.1 secs? 14.1 secs? Was my grandma driving?

[@WGPmetallica]

Dave's Garage magazines typically do a 1 ft rollout before the clocks start. almost all cars lose .3+ by doing so. plus elevation, temps, track prep. Yeah, it's slow, but makes sense.

[@coopsnz1]

was 6.0 for ss auto in Australia .manual 5.7 to 100km 2006 - 2010

[@traviswigal4858]

Too bad Pontiac is dead

[@seanlem7841]

It's a holden commodore which is very well alive in Australia where the car was engineered and produced. The only thing pontiac about the car is the badges

[@trav1971]

Yes we all know this 😑

[@Mrjbroo11]

Travis Wigal it's still in the USA. Look up Chevrolet SS

[@devastator44]

I can't feel too sorry for them. They had years to get it right, and besides the Firebird / Trans Am the best they could do was rebadge Australian cars?? The "GTO" and "G8" were the best modern Pontiacs ironically because of the fact that they weren't real from scratch productions of the Pontiac brand.

[@MrBullya]

Dead but never forgotten

[@dragoniv]

Still driving and loving my 09 G8GT, 143kmiles in the NE Rustbelt, no less.

[@Kawasakikfx33]

@AUSSIEDAVEROCKS Well that would explain how they actually perform so well lol. When are they getting the caprice or ppv?

[@brentpape]

No matter how to look at it Pontiac is shit, my wife drives a 09 R/T and we have not had a single problem our neighbor has the g8 and it's in the shop more than the garage.

[@dekum6826]

The only problem is the Charger still stands while th G8 blew away with the south Aussie dust storms.

[@mjdc2505]

When does this GXP comes out and where can I look up it's statistic?

[@chrisiztheman1618]

you have a point there,and whats up with the new srx?2.8 litre v6 with front wheel drive,pretty weird

[@haiUnderground]

G8 is a better and faster luxury sports sedan the dodge chargers are so ugly before 2011 and GM has a record of having more dependable motors that's why the Chevy SS has the same 6.2L motor.

[@wildstar43]

Under I agree with you but I wish that Chevrolet would keep the pricing the same on the SS like it was for the G8. 45k vs. 30k is a big difference and I do not see many Chevy SS cars on the road and I think that is the reason why.

[@haiUnderground]

+wildstar43 well the average person dont really know what kind of car it is. they most likely see it as another sedan. Chevy kinda just ruined the car

[@kelinjohnson7421]

+Under i agreed with you untill you said gm has more dependable motors. my camaro ss just took a shit and it was only 4 years old.

[@haiUnderground]

+Hemi TX850 I believe it's the 3 and 3.2 motors from Chrysler that got recalled at some point I forgot I think those were it though from the early 2000s

[@kelinjohnson7421]

Under recalls happen all the time with any car manufacture its just GM happens to have a lot of engine problems where as chrysler has more transmission problems and ford im not sure what there problems are but everyone has recalls.

[@LOLKINGBABY]

Move Over Pontiac's Are Racing

[@jaypee1313]

:-P

[@kelinjohnson7421]

+LOLKINGBABY as a mopar fan that is awesome.

[@panzerfaust5046]

That ' doesn't belong there.

[@MrMightyZ]

I haven't read a single comment but let me go ahead and apologize for my fellow Australians parochial hate for re badging. The G8/Commodore is a stupendous car. Mine makes me smile every day. But my hat goes off to the dodge as well. These big V8 muscle machines are living their last days and I'm sure I'll get misty eyed over either one when trying to explain them to kids in twenty years.

[@thebruski08]

Well done!!! couldnt have said it better.

[@Frostbite545]

6.2 sec to 60 in the charger? My '06 does it in 5.1, and the quarter at 13.7 @104. Edmunds cant drive haha.

[@coop4274]

Not stock it didn’t do those times. Sorry but there are dozens of tests in these cars and no one was close to the numbers you claim lmfao. Your times are exactly what the 2017 charger Daytona ran. Nice try but you’re full of it buddy lmao. No 2006 charger ran with a 2017 Daytona stock.

[@smibru]

I check out your car, it cool, I like it. Is it a manual or automatic? And if you had it to do all over again would it be the Stang or the G8?

[@arawatbituin]

ok between the bmw 335d and this car...which would you guys choose and why? don't know too much about cars but with the 335d you get great low end torque and good fuel economy with an epa estimated 23 city/36 highway....but with the g8 gt you get a very generous sized sedan with solid power and at a great price too...just curious :)

[@piwright42]

Thank you for the correction. I was under the impression that the engine for the G8 GXP came from the Corvette. You are right though Holden HSV is using it in their V8 powered rear wheel drive cars as well. Seeing HSV adopted and modified the LS3 from the US GM branch, one could imply there is an American heart under the hood of Holden Special Vehicles. As I have insinuated in other posts, humanity achieves the most when different cultures collaborate.

[@ninjafatballz]

hey are you from greenville sc?

[@thebestever333]

okay so if i want to buy a car which is around 25,000 to 32,000 and about 300hp or more what should i choose? not only between these 2

[@kaybee11982]

I really hope they do. I own a Pontiac G8 and my last three cars for the past 15 years have been Pontiac. A good car, never had any problems.

[@POLEMEX]

@fpvshitsonhsv Do they still build these g8's over in Australia?

[@NoChaserNoChaser504]

Who drove the Charger down the 1/4mile Ms. Daisy? My stock 06 R/T 0-60 is in the 5sec range and definitely hits 13s in the 1/4

[@devastator44]

The two best cars I've ever had are the 2008 mercedes C350 and the 2009 Pontiac G8. The Benz handles better than the G8 on turns but the overall quality and power of the G8 is hard to resist. Looks wise they are both similar, not overly muscly looking but you can tell it's athletic.

[@roxasbuddy]

Dee Hop is a 08 g8 any different

[@devastator44]

@@roxasbuddy yes the 08 G8 has slightly more power than the 09.

[@benf99]

They are also using the excess parts designed for the G8s (front end etc) in these new models that have recently come out.

[@The85g]

have to love the LS motor

[@TisiphonesShadow]

@tmmurphy correction... the Daytona R/T (equivilent to the GT trim level, as the R/T is equivilent to the base G8).

[@scarblade234]

@avx7 Fair enough but Holden did make the car first. The plant/factory that makes the commodore is in Australia. The g8 grill was built their too. The only thing put on it in the usa is the pontiac badge. when pontiac closed, holden released a limited edition commodore that had the left over g8 grills to get rid of them. Hsv used left over gxp badges. The pontiac badge on the steering wheel is inside a circle because the holden badge is round and fits perfectly in the circle.

[@Americanmuscle1968]

Even though it was made by the GM Australian division, that car was making quite a good profit in the U.S. when it was shipped and sold here. It's a damn shame it was discontinued.

[@levey]

This car has been sold in Austrailia for quite some time now. It's sold as The Holden Commodore. Holden is a division of General Motors (GM) in Australia. It's been changed a bit. But it's the same car.

[@AntiPrep789]

How much is the charger going for now-a-days?

[@vlbhb]

dey did a tset vs. the srt8 to and the g8 came really close and the g8 gxp with the ls3 isnt even out yet wonder wut thatt means

[@jazzspazz98]

yeah i know up until i found out that we were shipping holdens i dident know we actually were but in Europe they were badgeing as vauxhall and in america it was badged as a ponti

[@wnt2gofst]

i just took a r/t yesterday from a roll and from a dig..as sick as they look where is there get up an go to back it up..now to find a srt8 to play with

[@USDM_Jesus]

As a g8 gt owner this is amaizng to watch

[@Realdeal790]

the vxr8 is actually based on hsv clubsport r8 which is a model of the australian made holden commodore the pontiac g8 is based on the holden commodore ss, the hsv clubsport is the higher perfomance version of the ss.

[@Estirvana]

I don't mind if the Pontiac G8 is a Aussie underneath. It just goes to show for sport sedans we both have similar tastes! A big engine up front, power goes to the REAR, a excellent automatic and manual, and HANDLES!

[@potheadninjaturtle]

I think both cars are awesome. I have an 07 R/T Road and Track and its 0-60 5.7 on the cars timer.

[@plusgood15]

You are forgetting that Holden led the final design, engineering, and development of the Camaro. They are the RWD development center for GM

[@sambo92]

Also in 09 the 5.7 got a bump so it made more power than the 6.0 so I can see they tried to favor the g8 here.

[@abaofifsz]

how about the firebird gt?

[@terr0rwolf]

G8 GXP, man this is a great car!

[@POPtheoriginal]

I love my g8 :) she'll be getting a new cam this winter (and maybe a blower too if everything works out)... then we dont have to worry about comparing it to anything with 4 (or even 2) doors!

[@setaccisetacci]

I personally like both cars. The Charger has been around for a few years now and that's starting to become apparent. Although the G8 isn't technically new (Holden and Vauxhall have sold it for years), it's new to us in North America, so that adds to the appeal. I'm not sure where they got their prices though because where I live a Charger is much cheaper than a G8, not to mention you have 4 engines to choose from while the G8 only offers 2.

[@scarblade234]

@TheBowlingboy300 did you know the car is australian?

[@ninjafatballz]

now thats even more well said.

[@Mechknight73]

The G8 is due to return to America under a new badge in 2013; The Chevrolet Lumina and El Camino pickup. If you want some idea of what it will look like, look up the Saudi Arabian Chevrolet Lumina. Remember that the G8, Middle Eastern Lumina and Commodore were all designed, built and exported from Australia by GM Holden

[@THEannoyedBOY]

BAHAHAHA!!!! you sir are awesome. i've always wanted to visit Australia to, you guys are just as crazy about horsepower as we are. i can't bring my guns though :(

[@mjdc2505]

Thank for the infomation of the GXP and I'm sorry I offended you with that question.

[@rashdecision]

I have to send a shout out on this one. I'm a charger fan and I have to say, the 2010 charger is gonna throw some serious slack on your decision here. Chrystler is currently testing a new Pheonix engine line that, according to current tests, will give the SRT-8 model a 6.4L V8 HEMI that'll crank out between 440 and 470 hp at peak. Obviously, this isn't set in stone yet, but I hope my favorite car in the world comes out in the end. Long Live American Muscle.

[@Mothodus]

Damn.. I want a freaking G8!!

[@TheCottonTop]

patthebrit3, what is so horrible? They don't get 35 highway mpg?

[@piwright42]

From what I have read that would be because Holden did not call it the Sigma. It looks like Holden developed the Global Rear Wheel Drive, (GRWD) prior to 1998 but dropped it. It looks like Cadillac picked the up Holden developed GWRD and debuted it as the Sigma on the CTS in 2002.

[@piwright42]

I would like to congratulate you on where you are right, the G8 is a Commodore with a different bumpers and power train options. "...nothing America can produce could ever come close. " The first generation Cadillac CTS is based on the '98 Holden developed Sigma platform, but all Sigma based cars are built in Lansing, Michigan. The 2009 CTS-V is built on the Sigma II platform which was designed and made in America. Currently the CTS-V holds the production sedan Nurburgring record at 7:59.32.

[@getalife04]

The one thing that they failed to mention in this video is that the G8 is 6 inches shorter and 3 inches narrower than the charger. And it weighs about 600 lbs less than the charger. Weight makes a big difference, if you put them at the same weight I think they would be the same car. I have driven them and I think they are very evenly matched. Charger feels more solid and more secure if you were to get into an accident.

[@scarblade234]

@avx7 also, u may like to know that holden are going to export the commodore again but it wil be sold as a chevy. Like the g8, there will be a different grill. New grill will be a smaller version of the camaro and yes, it will be the new model commodore (the VE Series 2. g8 was just VE and GTO was either a VY or VZ monaro). I suggest u check out hsv.com.au because you'll love the E3 ;) Nice talking to ya.

[@zkenzo]

@79HZGTS --and has a corvette 415hp LS-3 engine from the GM parts bin, & assembled in australia

[@JaayDogg010]

@KR850 Yeah thats why Holden were selling Commodore SS with a G8 pack option, to give Aussies the G8 look

[@piwright42]

These are all things that I did not know, thank you for the information. You see I am American. I am happy to see that GM is smart enough to let Holden be it's own entity. I am glad to know that GM is smart enough to take advantage of Holden's racing experience. I do get frustrated that Americans try to label the Commodore platform based G8, and Camaro as all American. Give credit where it is due, that is what I always say. Holden has outdone itself with this platform.

[@4wheeler14]

i'd like to see who wins between the Charger/Challenger SRT8 and the Pontiac G8 GT

[@slipknotzi]

test drove a g8 gt today and have nothing but good things to say about it. guy let me take it out on my own and did 100mph on a back street. fucking amazing car!

[@NailStrafer]

Actually it was. The guy in the video said both of them were "all American", which is kind of a weird statement when he admits just a little bit later that the Dodge has Mercedes-style engineering.

[@GreendragonDMX1]

@MrJamesonStyles haha yeah and now Holden have released the Series 2 VE Commodore (what the G8's were based on) with improved interior, touch screen built in Hard Drive, updated front end

[@scarblade234]

@79HZGTS tv ad: "We gove you great cars...you claimed them for your own...but now we are taking them back! Holden, if oprah loved our country, you'll love our cars!!!"

[@Mechknight73]

@Vladmir917 It does! just not with Pontiac badges. It goes to the Middle east as a Chevy Lumina, to England as a Vauxhall VXR8, and of course in its native form, the VE Holden Commodore in Australia

[@sandosxc]

I'd like to correct you on one point, The 1998 VT Commodore was not built on the Sigma platform, but it was based on GM's V platform, which was developed by Opel in Germany. I do agree however, that the CTS-V is a very good car,

[@scarblade234]

@Konformation07 the commodore SV6 (the v6 engine sports model...incase u didnt notice the name) is quite popular in australia. One thing about the Commodore is unlike the g8, it also has family models (Omega and berlina - both v6) and luxury models (Calais and Calais V - calais has a v6 and the V has a v8) to go with the sports models (SV6, SS, SS-V, SS-V Redline - all v8's except for the sv6). The commodore sv6 sold more because it's v6 was better than the omega and berlina v6 so it sold more.

[@mil161]

@79HZGTS It was launched in the UK before North America. the GTO was a copy of the Vauxhall Monaro, and that was a copy of the Holden Monaro. they are all GM.

[@Konformation07]

@scarblade234 I believe the engines can run on Ethanol here but the V6 does not have SIDI.

[@PBKappa3]

Bro I was 7 when this video came out💀

[@drcruelty]

I would have to say it's not that they can't, it's simply that they don't want to. Take a look at the dyno charts for that engine and you'll see why. Take note of the very wide and flat torque curve. It's strong at any RPM, and it doesn't much care what gear its in. This also allows highway cruising barely above idle speed, allowing it to match or exceed the fuel economy of many smaller engines that have to work much harder to achieve the same. In real life driving, its also more enjoyable.

[@cozzey05]

the GXP owns the SRT8, same hp, 200 lbs lighter, not to mention the closely geared 6 speed vs the chargers 5 speed. Not to mention the much cheaper price tag and better handling

[@tblack21]

The Pontia G8 is the deal of the century right now.

[@justinshields2511]

assuming these are both stock.