2012 Players Championship: Round 5

Brian Kibler vs. David Ochoa
Format: Modern
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[@Drecon84]

Once you've played with these cards for a while you learn to recognize the art at a glance. The shuffling is just a tic you pick up. Originally you start it to make sure your opponent doesn't know if you've just drawn that card this turn or had it all along, but eventually you can't help yourself and it just happens...

[@CatarinaRamone]

I miss paper magic :( its sad

[@JimjimG]

I came back here because paper magic was truly Magic the gathering. Farewell Magic

[@Inferno0429]

So... Kibler misplays at the end of game 1. Ochoa is at 7, he cast Clique and saw Ochoa's hand. He sees Arid Mesa and Geist of Saint Traft. He puts Geist on the bottom and Ochoa puts step lynx. So Kibler knows there is only Arid Mesa in hand. He could have won outright that turn, but instead risks it by only attacking with Clique. I think its risky just to see maybe 2 more cards, especially since he already knows what is in Ochoa's deck by virtue of published deck lists.

[@balsamicvinegar4454]

I believe that Kibler really should have just not made Ochoa put anything to the bottom with clique, he had lethal on board.

[@balsamicvinegar4454]

Oops, just realized they had the life totals wrong.

[@jjjetplaneification]

[@korvan]

I didn't realize that! That's so smart, and does explain why they shuffle so fast! I find it hard to believe they could read the cards (or know what the cards are) that quickly, so this reason makes so much more sense.

[@usedangel000]

I like Brian Kibler! He always seems so friendly in these videos.

[@beerjam1892]

@Ezequiel Boning shut the fuck up nerd

[@diego-dias]

Heisenberg is actually a pretty decent Magic player

[@arontana]

Always make sure to not let your viewers hear anything in a video. Makes them love all of the videos.

[@asderpan]

Hi, im new to magic, and i am really confused about the different formats.. Does Modern include older cards?

[@thepi3rad3r]

Why did kibler not blow up the temple garden with tec edge? it turns off loam lion and kird ape it takes away his second green source for thrun it also takes away ochoas only white source for elspeth?

[@mossidull95]

Why would kibler not just let David have the Geist in hand and then next turn attack for lethal? in game one around 14:30 or so??

[@Tophisthebest226]

at 44:20 I am confused about why Cryptic command did not resolve. Anyone can help me out?

[@korvan]

They all seem to...it's like they can't sit still...like when they flip cards, do they actually read them that fast?

[@LaserfaceJones]

Hey look, it's the Commander guy!

[@mikevw30]

who else is totally jelly of that stash ochoa has.

[@bladeflesh]

no its not? The sound is terrible unless you're wearing headphones

[@silent12361]

I jokingly shuffled my hand around once, now I do it all the time. It's just a habit and is one of those things that keeps your hands busy and reminds you what every card in your hand is when you flip it to the front.

[@TheAustinKendall]

This must be a problem with KZbin because I always see this in the comments but never have a problem with the sound in the videos. The volume is the same as any other video I watch on KZbin.

[@zantardis]

Must say I do miss BDM's commentary.

[@tanosantos1993]

videos are great but you need to do something about that audio

[@ChrisBanuchi]

I wish I could hear the conversation between the players.

[@clevelandhighschool]

Cryptic Command needs a target to resolve. So when Kibler was trying to bounce the ape and draw 1 card. The priority gets pass back to Ochoa and he responded with a Lighting Bolt targeting the same ape. So the stack resolves with Lighting Bolt hitting the ape. Because the Bolt killed the ape making no longer on the board. Cryptic Command attempts to resolve but since the ape is gone it cannot resolves it fizzles (countered) by default, including the drawing.

[@korvan]

true, good point, it is quite a bit of money too.

[@zantardis]

Yeah, it might just be familiarity, like missing Murray Walker on the Formula 1.

[@MatthewJ352]

At that point, Ochoa is at 10. He had used lightning helix a few turns later putting Kibler at 5, and himself at 10. The life totals just weren't updated for a while. So, attacking with both puts Ochoa at 3, and he loses to a topdecked tribal flames.

[@TheManadeath]

may have been while he was on 2x energy drinks per day. He talked fairly recently about finally being off energy drinks and being a lot better because of it.

[@JesperJotun]

Kibler...Everyday Shufflin' haha. Crack me up!

[@GenzaiDandy]

Very well played by Kibler.

[@Tophisthebest226]

I see. If he would have drawn the card first and then bounce the ape second it would still be countered right?

[@CxwarrenxD]

the volume is fine turn it up.

[@Lightnings89]

Is that Nivix Guildmage on Kibler's sleeves?

[@Bowser453]

Am I the only one not having any sound issues with these videos?

[@deathnotealex]

i love how kibler is nicely dressed and then his shoes lol

[@korvan]

Oh..that is interesting! I should have realized there was some sort of strategy involved.

[@dmm2315]

I would agree. I like Zac Hill, but Sheldon can be a little dry. Zac has a lot of enthusiasm.

[@cedI395]

Because Ochoa had one unknown in hand after drawing from Clique. A better question would be why Kibler decided to tuck Ochoa's Geist despite having lethal in the air next turn.

[@obbiem9274]

The life total was wrong at that point, they forgot to add 3 life from the second helix. Kibler did not have a lethal attack.

[@eamon472]

this makes me really want to play modern.

[@DrDuck7700]

Why do I never see tron at these events?

[@noodlepoodleoddle]

At 14:22, why didn't Kibler just win by attacking with celestrial and clique? He knows the last card in Ochoa's hand is a land and Ochoa is at 7.

[@alfiepiper4529]

by kibler you mean?

[@korvan]

I completely agree they're playing on a different level, but I find it hard that they would rely on a quick glance to choose a card...seems like a method that is prone to mistakes.

[@Phoenix10388]

I can hear everything just fine :)

[@Ohushi]

Oh jeeze the misplays. Dismember without giving him the chance to crack the fetch? Snapping after attackers are declared letting him get the swing in?

[@doomtomb3]

Why is David Ochoa bald?

[@Trueflights]

Sound has been terrible on the last dozen or so Videos. You guys have such great production value on these and then ruin it with such terrible sound quality. Hire a sound guy or have someone learn how to set your levels properly.

[@AWCO777]

lol, 14:38 Kibler not attacking for lethal when you know your opponent's only card in hand is arid mesa

[@obbiem9274]

The life total was wrong at that point, Ochoa was actually at 10, they forgot to give him 3 life from the second helix

[@mike1313132003]

BDM had to miss because he was sick this weekend

[@atilalexander]

I liked alot that first game-

[@felixsulla5556]

Read them? These guys know the cards... Pros play magic on another lvl than us. All the little things they think about to keep ahead.

[@jacurururur8848]

8:27 misplay should have waited to path during upkeep so kinbler had less untapped lands

[@GenzaiDandy]

They never changed Ochoa's life total G1 for the 2nd Helix.

[@BexIn4k]

Here's how I explain it: Let's say I have a creature in hand that I want to protect from removal (with something like Mizzium Skin.) If my opponent sees me draw a card then play the creature even though I've had the mana for it for the past two turns, they can safely assume I've just drawn something to protect it. Among some other reasonsI shuffle my hand because I don't want my opponent to know whether I've topdecked my play, or whether it was premeditated. At least that's how I explain it. :p

[@luckykirik]

he played it EOT (end of turn)

[@CidAghast]

well I can kinda hear it and thats good but being louder wouldn't hurt

[@TallestFiddle]

Fix the sound, wtf

[@stevenhageman8255]

wooooo, this video was spicy

[@movieswithsauce4301]

6:00 or so, isn't it better to let pridemage resolve, snapcaster before attacks, flashback path, then spell snare helix, therefore killing geist? That way, you keep an extra spell snare in hand.

[@obbiem9274]

Pride mage gives geist exalted, thus making it a 3/3 and not die to snap in combat

[@obbiem9274]

Which is also why Ochoa did it pre combat because he suspected a snap block

[@OnlyTheCloud]

WAIT WAIT WHOA, did Ochoa take a hit off of a bottle of booze @ 21:15? Drinking on the job like a boss.

[@lachlanwilson5087]

Its just fancy pants Italian sparkling water, clearly Heisenberg isn't a drinker. :)

[@nzlbari]

they do it to shuffle their hands so the opponent cant tell if they played what they drew that turn

[@noncomspaziale]

No, it does not. Modern is an eternal format, which means sets don't "switch out" as in Standard. In Modern you can use cards from all expansions set starting from the Mirrodin one up to today, and all basic sets strating from 8th edition. Other common formats are Standard(probably the most popular one, using cards from the two newest sets at the moment) and Legacy, which includes the"older cards" you're talking about, meaning those printed before 8th edition (there are, of course, banned cards)

[@HJR98]

Path to exile? What th- oh...it's modern...

[@multidarwin18]

I don´t follow Zach Hill in playing Tarmogoyf early.

[@thepi3rad3r]

as soon as he put down the forest i mean

[@jinchi9993]

Good work Zac Hill. Dude had to politely maneuver around Sheldon Menery's amateurish comments while trying to maintain the flow of the commentating. As Sheldon, please just leave.

[@GGun1t]

The mighty mustache))

[@MasterMint2]

thats one sweeet mustache!! =D

[@HardWorkingFamilyMan]

the host of this with the pink shirt just stares people down, it's super awkward

[@Kalki720]

Maybe he's been hanging out with Chapin too much. Hey-o!

[@wolfsritter8151]

Dude is getting a brain aneurysm from the damn Tarmagoyf, like damn shut up about it 😅

[@Monkeyman2357]

I know, right? It's like he's poopin' all over the place!

[@MrDonckers]

game one he cliqued why not swing with both you know what he has -_-

[@scottmueller78]

Ochoa has to have 4 land to get edge'd.

[@AlmostLikeHuman]

Stop. Saying. Sacland...

[@GenzaiDandy]

Yeeah Lol That was goody.

[@KTFlaSh96]

TARMOGOYF OP

[@Truthkills002]

it to confuse the opponent and keep them from remembering where your cards are at that you drew. With this level of competitivness eveything counts.

[@pyromancergoesboom]

they are nervous. money is at stake.

[@keeganparmelee1755]

your teeth dont have skin sheldon

[@kustomkure]

"Kibler guy" what is wrong with this generation :))

[@GenzaiDandy]

goofy**

[@traptintime12]

is it me or kibler just not that good of a player