2013 Harley Iron 883 Test Ride! | TestRides

[@guybrushthreepwood549]

Listening to those engines is like listening to a good symphony. Love it.

[@ShawnSmoak]

Lol, yeah it does make the hair on the back of your neck stand up, doesn't it? Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@Silentmedic12]

This ride brought back so many memories. I lived in Lacey, Wa from 2007 to 2010 and was stationed right down the highway at good ol Ft. Lewis. Now living in Fresno California. I have a 2015 iron and i love it. Thank you Shawn i love the Videos!

[@richardhester6877]

Just saw your video for the first time. Bravo for your enthusiasm for the Sportster. I will have been riding a Sportster for 50 years next month. I've owned many metrics and various Harley BTs, but always had a Sportster also. I have sold all of my other bikes over the years, but have settled on my 2006 Sportster Roadster. The only other bike I would trade it for today is a 2007+ FI Roadster. It fits me and my riding style perfectly. Thanks again for your videos.

[@ShawnSmoak]

I couldn't agree with you more Richard! There is something about the Sportsters that just draws you in. I've owned a bazillion bikes over the years, and get to ride all the fancy new bikes as they come through our dealership, but I choose to purchase and ride Sportsters. Much to the dismay of my coworkers, I might add. But as I'm sure you know, they just don't get it! They have know idea what they're missing... Thanks for watching and the awesome comment! rsmf

[@Sqoun]

I just bought mine,, used 2013! Has only 2k miles on it!! So excited.. First bike too. :D

[@ShawnSmoak]

Fantastic! Congratulations, you're really going to enjoy this. Ride safe out there... Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@scienceofsound]

Thanks man! I live in Seattle and this is a great example of the rides that I can take on this beauty. I love this bike!

[@ShawnSmoak]

This was filmed in Lacy, Wa. not too far south of you... I sure love the Iron's also! Thanks for watching and commenting Cody!

[@ShawnSmoak]

Alan Troy Posted: "how well does the bike cruise between 70-75MPH? I heard it's not good running them over 70 MPH for a long ride. I'm looking into getting an Iron 883, but i'm afraid it won't be able to handle long rides at 70-75MPH. So i'm stuck between an Iron or a Forty Eight." Hi Alan, the system won't let me reply to your post! Hopefully you'll see this... The Iron handles 70-80 MPH without a hitch! There's a sweet spot at 75 that is wonderful. You could go cross country at these speeds and never hurt anything... With the lower gearing of an 883, I think it is running about 600 RPM's higher at 70 MPH than a 1200. Thanks for watching Alan!

[@James1toknow]

You can up grade the 883 engine to a 1200 and it will just fine, it's a 1,500.00 up grade but well worth it.. I was told this by the dealer here in Michigan.,Wolverine HD dealer.. My son wants one and I went to check it out..The dealer told me for long rides you might want to up grade to a Super Glide.. But anyway everyone has their won reason for what they want and like.. good luck..

[@Paul-dz7xi]

My advise is buy a ricer with fully adjustable suspension, bags, and 10x more power. The HD has the worst suspension, hp, and handling of any bike on the road. On top of that it's slow. And why buy an upgrade when you can just get the 1200 skirtster to begin with LOL.

[@joepesci4250]

Hahahaha, nothing like a Harley buddy...So stick with your skirtster and leave me with the better over all Bike recognized in the entire World, and it doesn't lose it's value....HARLEY DAVIDSON...#1 PERIOD...

[@harshitgupta559]

Hey Man, I took a test ride on Iron 883 on May 31st.. Awesome bike..!!! Gonna book mine soon. The way it pulls in the second gear from 10 to 50 is mind boggling..!! Absolutely love it!! Hope u get urs soon.. Ride Hard & Ride Safe..!!!

[@ShawnSmoak]

That's awesome Harshit! You're going to love owning an Iron. I actually purchased one two weeks after test riding this one last year, and absolutely love it still! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@ShawnSmoak]

Thanks Howard! This video was recorded in Lacey, Wa. (between Olympia and Tacoma). I live in Toledo, Wa.

[@ShawnSmoak]

Thanks Angel, and thanks for watching & commenting!

[@ShawnSmoak]

No, but the 2014's do, along with a tach. They display in the LCD just like the larger Harley's have done for the last few years... Thanks for watching!

[@gsx1138]

I think the Iron 883 is the best looking production bike ever. It's fantastic. That said, I'm too big for it at 6' and 260lbs. I love my Superglide Custom but I still drool over the 883 when I go in the dealer.

[@dksob1981]

I have a 2009 Iron883, I absolutely love it. I always have and I probably always will. I am a little over 300lbs and has never had any issues hauling my fat a$$ around. I have ridden it from Sharon, Pa to Cooksville Tn. (13 hours at 75mph) and it never had any problems, I'm not saying I didn't have any problems on that trip..... By the time I got there I couldn't walk, really wish I had a windshield on her for that trip....lol I have recently (2 weeks ago) done the SE 1200 Conversion, she really has power now, its unbelievable how different the power is. I wanted a 1200 from the start, but didn't like the look of the nightster (Grey Engine and Spoked Wheels) I wanted the "Black-Out" look and I love the Black/Silver aluminum wheels. All in All, you will be very pleased with this bike. Everyone loves this bike, I got it the first year it came out (in the 883 version anyways) and I always got compliments on it. Every from all the guys that "chrome out" and wax there bikes daily.

[@cityguy111]

Thanks for sharing Shawn.. Those left turn lanes in WA seem to take for ever though!!!

[@ShawnSmoak]

I've thought about doing something wild like that... We've had a few customers this year come through that were touring on Sportsters. Had a couple from Canada come through on a 1987 XL883 that were heading to Yellowstone. They were loaded down and riding two up... The bikes are more than reliable and capable! Thanks for watching and commenting Rrivers411!

[@ShawnSmoak]

Hi Tukuklan, I get an average of 125 miles until the light comes on. Over 38 fill-ups, I'm averaging 51 MPG. There is 0.8 gallons of reserve... Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@rekenney100]

I'm with you on that! Your bike's got to fit! The "smallness" of the Iron surprised me because, as you walk up to it, it doesn't seem so little. Once you're in the saddle, the damn thing almost disappears! I'm 5' 8". For me, the smallness works; for you ... not so much!

[@WeyburnRS]

This is a really good beginner bike. Really easy to handle and a good intro cruisers if that's the type of bike you want to get into.

[@gsx1138]

Oh, I'm also surprised traffic was so light. I hate driving through there almost as much as through Seattle.

[@JohnSmith-rs2hz]

Great review, thanks for the video. I just purchased a used 2013 Iron 883 as my first bike a few months ago and love it so far. I just hope the weather cooperates so I can ride more often.

[@1al0ng]

Thanks for the quick reply and info.

[@ShawnSmoak]

I wouldn't hesitate for a second recommending an Iron to a beginner. It's a bike that any rider can enjoy! I've been riding for 42 years, and work with very powerful, high speed bikes almost daily, and I purchased an Iron as a personal bike. Enjoying the ride isn't all about the specs of a bike... Just a speedo with all the normal indicator lights. The 2014 model can display a tachometer & gear position in the LCD now...

[@rekenney100]

I got rid of my 1600 Nomad because I wanted something more nimble for my 40-mile round-trip cross-town ride to work and back. It fits the bill for what I want out of my ride ... and it looks cool too!

[@davidbrown2329]

i am 6ft2 and bought the 1200 custom which has similar style to the 883, only change I made was forward mounted footpegs, bike rides nice and looks nice

[@blahblah55237]

Awesome vid. I have on occasion accidentally hit the horn as well.

[@ShawnSmoak]

Any of the Sportsters would do fine for you. My favorites are the 'Iron' 883 and the 'Forty-Eight' 1200... Thanks for watching!

[@ShawnSmoak]

Nope, no struggles... We went through this whole speech about not lugging or revving over 4K before taking off. Then, they just took off on the ramp and onto I-5. I was just keeping it within what I thought was 4K rpm, then didn't go over 80mph because the lower gearing of the 883 may be at that rpm at that speed... And yes, they're quite smooth at freeway speeds. The leader was on a Switchback. Like the one we have, she says it tank slaps over 80mph, kinda freaky! Thanks for viewing! - Shawn

[@StoicFC]

Just got this bike. I love it. Good riding.

[@JohnInSale]

Nice film, but would've been nice to hear your thoughts and feedback on the actual bike at the end !!!

[@davaireport2479]

I just bought mine 2 weeks ago. My first bike and I love it. Great bike to learn riding on.

[@ShawnSmoak]

Fantastic Danny, congratulations! They're not too bad for an old fart that's been riding for 42 years either...! Lol Thanks for watching and commenting! Ride safe out there...

[@davaireport2479]

I watched your videos many times before I decided to go with that bike. Really enjoy them, btw, you provide an excellent info. Thanks!

[@ShawnSmoak]

Well thank you very much Danny! That means more than you know... Take care!

[@ShawnSmoak]

Was almost an owner, but stopped myself to discuss this some more with the little woman... Must be getting older & wiser, as the trigger would have been pulled in the past. Still shocked that I walked away! Have been wanting this for a while now...

[@rowdyrodb]

Shawn Smoak I should have seen your video first as I pulled the trigger first and paid for it...Love my 883 though.

[@SpyderRios]

I am falling in love with this bike. I currently own a 2007 zx6r but I have to admit this bikes are growing on me. I am only 26 and I think harley funally has a bike for me.

[@SeanManks]

That's nice of the dealer to give a 20+ mins of test ride. :-)

[@ShawnSmoak]

I'm 5'8" also, and I'm quite comfortable on it... Thanks for watching!

[@angelvasquez9468]

Beautiful bike, I can't imagine how it felt when you hit the highway.

[@peterholthoffman]

I've seen the comments about the fingers on the clutch and brake levers. In my book, those are good habits! It takes time to uncurl one's fingers and move them to the levers. A speed of 70 mph is 103 feet per second. Assuming a person has impossibly superhuman reflexes and can move their fingers into position from the grips in 0.1 seconds, that's still going to put you 10 feet into that radiator / trunk / deer when compared to keeping your fingers on the levers. More realistically, it's going to take more like 0.5 seconds or 50 feet to move your fingers. Remember, your fingers get a little stiff from keeping a grip and so you have to let go before you can move to the levers.

[@JohnnyRebKy]

seeing you ride that 883 down the interstate brings back harsh memories lol. My first bike was a 2003 Harley 883 that was solid mounted to the frame. Went on a 400 mile trip from kentucky to missouri and it about killed me. 70mph had a annoying constant buzz that went thru your whole body. thank god for rubber mounts huh

[@ShawnSmoak]

5'8"... The bike is comfortable, but the low cut seat makes the mid-mount pegs almost seem too cramped. I can go a couple hours before the seat starts to get uncomfortable, but that's about the fuel stop time, so you get a reset on the buttocks... I want to do something with the seat, just not sure what yet. Thanks for viewing and commenting! - Shawn

[@BProffs]

I got mine in july. my dad said your going to wish you went 1200cc instead of 883. i didnt listen. i had a r6 with a jet kit thinking it would be similar....nope. I do wish the 883 had more get up and go but thats something you can buy later. its a much better ride and ive had more compliments on the 88s in the short time ive had it than i did the r6. fun bike

[@bobvog7123]

I'm thinking of getting an Iron for the same reasons you mentioned. I'm just a little unsure if I can enjoy it, living in L.A., with limited options to ride on nice highways like you have up there.

[@ShawnSmoak]

It was shockingly light, wasn't it...? Thanks for viewing and both comments! - Shawn

[@paulfryer641]

I have a 2011 Iron and its a fantastic bike!Handles great and its fast enough to get in trouble if you push it! LOL I also owned a 1200 Sportster custom and honestly I prefer the Iron.The slight loss of power was made up for by the quicker handling of the Iron-at least to me.If you get an Iron you cant go wrong!

[@BSKomit]

Nice smooth ride !

[@ShawnSmoak]

There was no problem keeping up! Have you ever ridden a stock large Harley? They are afraid of sportsters... Well, I liked it so much that I purchased one five days later. Thanks for viewing and commenting! - Shawn

[@RickyStackz]

Been thinking about getting one of these. I like it. Simple, yet sexy

[@1al0ng]

Would you recommend this bike for a tall rider (6'4")

[@ShawnSmoak]

1al0ng It would be fine, but you would probably need forward controls, as the OEM mid-controls are a little high and you may feel cramped... Take one for a test ride to see what you think. Thanks for watching and commenting 1aIOng!

[@granitferati4021]

Damn this is a nice motorcycle . I'm 15 and i already started saving money to buy one .

[@marcelocontreras9251]

Nice vid bro I have a 2013 883 and I love it is my very first bike never rode before and i won't change it I got it last year I haven't put to many miles on it yet but I will get there any way the bike is awesome

[@ironjuggernaut6948]

*secretly misses shawns relaxing voice*

[@babblinkath]

Great video! Thank you for sharing.

[@ShawnSmoak]

Hell no! Everyone looks cool on a Harley...! Thanks for watching and commenting kkel19!

[@thelolguy007]

I'm 6 3'' tall - would this bike be ok in your opinion? I sure like the look of it :)

[@upandup626]

Great vid. What city and state are you in?

[@JohnInSale]

Nice riding jacket you have on there, what is the make and model etc ?? !!

[@ShawnSmoak]

The bike would handle it without question! However, it's not a big bike, so it may not have the room for all the gear and rider comfort that may be needed... Every rider has their own needs and requirements, so it could be perfect for you!

[@Rocknium1]

Nice video, but I was wondering what is the name of the bike which the guy in front of you was riding?

[@ShawnSmoak]

The one to the right was a 2013 Street Glide and the one to the left was a 2012 SwitchBack... Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@MaxwellFaro]

Just a few questions from a potential newbie... How tall are you? How did you find the fit? And lastly, do you think that this would be a good bike for a fella standing 5'9"? Thanks! I enjoy your vids.

[@honestjohn6222]

great countryside , i noticed the rider is riding the clutch all the time or is this a different style of riding , just not sure.

[@ShawnSmoak]

Tony Reed - Though it may appear that I'm riding the clutch and front brake, I'm simply resting upon them at the ready... All the years of racing, being an idiot kid and many near misses, I learned that doing this has save my butt many many times. If you ride with guys that have a lot of experience, you'll notice they almost all do the same thing... It greatly reduces reaction times needed. Just don't put pressure on the levers or this could cause clutch and brake issues at some point. Thanks for watching and commenting Tony!

[@honestjohn6222]

thanks mate

[@Mkewl2006]

I am looking at purchasing this bike. Did you have to stay into the throttle hard just to keep up with those bigger bikes? What are your views now of this bike since your test ride.

[@hosannaalafrance9724]

A 0:11 seconde le mec qui traverse c'est Answer de Sons of Anarchy ?!

[@ruineves2606]

Great ride!!! But you better take your fingers off the clutch when you're not using it.... You can get the bearing wrecked in no time.... :D

[@HOWNDOG66]

Love my 2010 but a 1250 kit is on the wishlist.

[@Nix11999]

riding a motorcycle looks so damn fun lol! I will have one one day. either this bike will be my first or a super glide. Harley all day lol

[@ShawnSmoak]

Very cool nickserio35! Let us know what you decide on when you get your Harley... Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@spitfirepilot2010]

A nice bike, I want one.

[@vibe808]

Nice videos. Dose the 883 lack a lot of power compared to your 1200?

[@ShawnSmoak]

There is a noticeable difference between the two, but the 883 is so much fun to ride, I don't really give it much thought... The Iron 883 is close to 60 HP and the 1200's are around 80 HP (both in stock form). Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@HOWNDOG66]

It will keep up to traffic but if a big twin wants to run from ya, it will. I'll be putting a 1250 kit into mine and it should run well against most other Harleys then (maybe even a sport bike or 2). As it is now, I load my 2010 down with camping gear and still pass cars when I want.

[@josefmd]

The 883 looks pretty cool! Do all you guys out there wear full faced helmets riding HD's? Here in OH I never see it!!

[@ShawnSmoak]

I was shocked! I though I was going to drive around the lot...! Thanks for viewing and commenting! - Shawn

[@HeyLookItsTitan]

What kind of riding jacket do you wear in this video? Looks really comfortable and I'm thinking about getting one.

[@MrHugabum]

Would you recommend this for a beginner? I'm in the market for my first bike

[@hellrader343]

Looking at getting the same seemed so smooth on the clutch and a very comfortable ride think this video sold me. PS i might be getting mine at Northwest Harley in lacey to :P

[@ShawnSmoak]

Well how cool is that? Thanks man! I love the heck out of my Iron, and I'm more than comfortable on it all day... I haven't been up to NW Harley in a while, I should buzz up there this weekend (if it doesn't rain). I hope you end up getting an Iron! Thanks for watching and commenting Eugene!

[@thug22jatt]

Shawn Smoak why do you always keep your fingers on the clutch? not being rude just curious because i'm thinking of getting a bike for the first time and i want to know if that's the proper etiquette?

[@ShawnSmoak]

I don't know if it's proper etiquette or not, but it's a habit that I developed years ago. I think in may have come from all the dirt and road racing, along with doing stupid stuff off the track. I do it to be at the ready for anything at any second. Two on the clutch and two on the brake at all times... It's way more common than you would imagine. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@veeruveer]

nice gloves, wht brand are they?

[@ShawnSmoak]

Oh yeah...!

[@catnip1171]

is it bad for the bike t have the clutch in the whole time you start slowing down and while your stopped?

[@ShawnSmoak]

Not at all. In fact, it allows additional oil to flow through the plates, as they're not under pressure. This could actually help in heavy stop and go traffic by cooling the plates. It's your hand getting tired that may be an issue at that point... Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@calvinbuechi]

@shawn smoak I had the same kind of problems but the 48 gives you just 100miles with a full tank

[@wesleypetticrew7797]

how tall are you, and was it a comfortable ride? Thanks

[@KappelleOutdoors]

Would you recommend this bike to a beginner? And Is the only thing on there the speedometer?

[@ballparkweiner1]

Try forward controls or an engine guard and hwy. pegs.

[@jonnytacoma_sr5]

Hey shawn nice vid I'm in the market for my first bike i was wondering if the 883 would be a good first bike I want a harley but I know there's yamahas bolt

[@ShawnSmoak]

The Iron or the Bolt, either one would make a great first bike. They're great for any level of rider. They are friendly enough for someone just starting out, or for someone experienced looking for an awesome city or back road bomber... Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@Nigelsansom]

I'm getting one soon...Great bike, and if it costs 9000 Euros, you can sell it two years later for more or less the same price. Try to do that with another brand!

[@sidharthsg]

Hey Nice Vid bro ! So how does it perform? heard there is belt snapping issues...

[@ShawnSmoak]

Thanks Sid S ! The performance of the Iron is just fine, even bone stock! If you've ever ridden the pre 2007 carbureted 883's, these EFI models are a world apart in performance... As far as belts breaking? Well, that's just an old wives tale still alive from the '80's. Belt's breaking are very rare indeed. They are a very efficient, clean, quiet & reliable final drive system, hence their popularity among manufacturers. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@dxcaprice88]

Do you think a used iron 883 would be a good first bike or would something like a street 750 be better?

[@ShawnSmoak]

+dxcaprice88 - The 883 is so easy to ride, it would be awesome for someone starting out! Thanks for watching!

[@dxcaprice88]

+Shawn Smoak Thanks for answering. I love the channel . Always excited to see the iron.

[@cipdog100]

Does this bike have a gear indicator?

[@mikepitz9975]

Pure genius

[@jferlz5560]

I'm looking to buy a bike myself..but what do you guys do for gps ..it seems like often I'm needing to use it from my phone

[@squad3916]

Lowlife666 what kind of bike do you have?

[@DCchika12]

Love this bike. Going to pick one up today! (:

[@palax123]

que gran video !!

[@Diwash1]

I am more into sport bikes though But still some of these choppers are quite nice....

[@ShawnSmoak]

Diwash1 - Oh I still love sport bikes too, and have always ridden them. But it's fun to sneak over to the dark side as well... Lol Thanks!

[@Diwash1]

Haha true this. there ws this one chopper I had seen in a series but I do not know what that was :/

[@jamesdean257]

Would this be a good first bike, I've heard yes and no, because I am 6'4" and it is a smaller bike, but I have no idea how to ride and stuff.

[@ZacharyKennethBell]

Is that Dayton Callie from sons of anarchy at the beginning of the video? Looks a lot like him haha

[@ShawnSmoak]

Good lord he does, doesn't he? Thanks for watching!

[@ZacharyKennethBell]

Shawn Smoak thanks for the video man! How is the iron ride? I'm considering getting one

[@ShawnSmoak]

I purchased one a week after making this video last year and love it! No complaints so far...

[@CrazyCraicAss]

I didn't watch all of this, but kept it running just to listen to the sound of the engine.

[@ShawnSmoak]

LOL, I've done that with videos! I've found some that are so soothing that I wake up in the desk chair some time later... Talk about a power nap! Thanks for watching (listening) and commenting!

[@Krummers1]

Shawn Smoak I've got a chinesse motorbike... harleys are really expensive for most of us here. For example, your bike costs from 14000 to 18000...used. The 883 is an awesome machine. You're lucky dude. Greetings.

[@ShawnSmoak]

Krummers1 It's crazy how expensive Harley's can be in other countries, that's not fare! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@Krummers1]

Shawn Smoak Yes :( But the spirit of a biker is what there is inside me...so I love any thing with two wheels and an engine :)... mainly customs... like my bike. I enjoy the freedom while I'm driving it, that's it. Greetings from Uruguay.

[@ShawnSmoak]

Perfect attitude Krummers1, that's awesome! Very well said. Ride safe out there!

[@leonardomullin831]

Do you think this bike is to small for a rider who height is about 5 ft 6 or 7

[@ShawnSmoak]

Oh heck no! I'm 5'8" and it's perfectly fine... Thanks for watching Leonardo!

[@leonardomullin831]

No problem dude and thanks for the feedback

[@Tukuklan]

how far can you get with three gallons

[@AlexTrubinDesign]

Its a heavy bike with about same power to weight ratio as the ninja 250R. It looks very nice but costs twice that of the ninjette.

[@ShawnSmoak]

BlackNYC It's all about what you enjoy riding and what is attractive to you... I'm glad you enjoy your Ninja (looks awesome!). We sell Kawasaki's too, great bikes! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@emicon7789]

Would you recommend this bike as a starter bike? The only bike I rode was a dirt bike..

[@ShawnSmoak]

Emigdio Contreras This would be great as a starter bike. It's friendly and forgiving enough that anyone could ride one... Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@tonyguns8364]

is the 883 iron hard to maintain? I mean like, taking care of the engine. Does it have problems?

[@ShawnSmoak]

There simply couldn't be an easier motorcycle to maintain! Only basic tools required to perform scheduled maintenance. You never have to adjust valves, sync throttle bodies, etc. So engine maintenance is nothing more than oil changes, plugs, air filter, primary chain and clutch adjustments. Very basic! As far as problems, do some searching for yourself, you'll see that Sportsters are legendary throughout their history for being stone reliable. Thanks for watching and commenting Tony!

[@alandtami]

I've done a lot of long rides on a sporty no problem. It will cruise all day ay 80mph

[@ShawnSmoak]

I purchased an Iron a couple weeks after this video was made and have no issues either. 6 to 8 hours in a day on it is not unheard of... Tons of fun on the Spprtsters. Thanks Alan!

[@JDCali459mm]

how well does the bike cruise between 70-75MPH? I heard it's not good running them over 70 MPH for a long ride. I'm looking into getting an Iron 883, but i'm afraid it won't be able to handle long rides at 70-75MPH. So i'm stuck between an Iron or a Forty Eight. 

[@cjk4540]

Ive never ridden a bike before or had a desire to or own one but for some reason i do now. Would this bike be good for a new rider as a starter bike? I am 6'2 if that matters

[@trevorjameson3213]

The 883 is a good beginner bike, yes. Mainly because it is so easy to ride, and the power is mellow enough not to scare a beginner. But, it's still fast enough to have fun when your skills increase. The 883 is a small, but not in comparison to old bikes of the 60's and 70's. Therefore, being 6'2" should not be a problem. I am 6' tall, and have ridden my friend's 883 before, and I thought it was a blast to ride. I own a Suzuki V-strom 1000, which is large and tall, and is much faster and more comfortable. But there is just something cool about a Harley, it feels like a pure machine, not a plastic rice burner like my Suzuki.

[@cjk4540]

Thanks for the reply, you answered everything i wanted to know. I will try and hit up a "boot camp" at a local store one day. Take care